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Marten pelt oddities

Posted By: Gulo

Marten pelt oddities - 02/24/18 05:17 PM

Through the years, I've seen tens of thousands of marten. The vast majority of these were taken by other trappers. I used to get a handful each year that had extra-large throat patches or white toes; sometimes even an entire white foot. I took these two photos many years ago of marten that were showed to me by other interior Alaska trappers; they were not my harvests. Just thought some out there would be interested.
Posted By: 160user

Re: Marten pelt oddities - 02/24/18 05:19 PM

Amazing colors!
Posted By: Tactical.20

Re: Marten pelt oddities - 02/24/18 05:59 PM

Cool looking animal, I saw white footed fox years ago, about 1-3 in a hundred would have some white on feet, instead of black,
Posted By: Boco

Re: Marten pelt oddities - 02/24/18 07:16 PM

I have caught a few with orange toes and tail tip,and a few canarys,unfortunately no pics.
That first one is certainly unique.
Posted By: weaselnut

Re: Marten pelt oddities - 02/25/18 12:04 AM

They are pretty cool looking. I've always wanted to trap marten.
Posted By: trapr

Re: Marten pelt oddities - 02/25/18 01:10 AM

Gulo, some friends of mine used to catch a fair number of marten colored like the first picture in the palisades area of the snake river range. remember one even having the orange streaked in his back,in fifty,they might have 4 or 5 that had the orange or yellow all over the belly and some on the legs and feet.
Posted By: Jeremiah Wood

Re: Marten pelt oddities - 02/25/18 12:35 PM

Those are some neat pictures. Thanks for sharing Gulo!
Posted By: 330-Trapper

Re: Marten pelt oddities - 02/25/18 02:40 PM

Awesome Catches!
Posted By: ebsurveyor

Re: Marten pelt oddities - 02/25/18 03:58 PM

Inbreeding?

The Seneca white deer are a rare herd of deer living within the confines of the former Seneca Army Depot in Seneca County, New York. When the 10,600-acre (43 km2) depot was created in 1941, a 24-mile (39 km) fence was erected around its perimeter, isolating a small herd of white-tailed deer, some of which had white coats. These deer are not albino, but instead carry a set of recessive genes for all-white coats. The isolation of the herd causes high levels of inbreeding.

In the 1950s, the depot commander forbade GIs from shooting any white deer. The deer population has since grown to about 700 head, approximately 300 of which are white, making it the largest herd of white deer in the world.


I also saw this with gray squirrels in an isolated population.
Posted By: Gulo

Re: Marten pelt oddities - 02/25/18 04:23 PM

Interesting ebsurveyor. Thanks for the tale of the deer situation. I don't suspect this is the case with the two marten pictured, however, as they are certainly not isolated and populations from which they came are relatively good. Rather, I'd suspect just genetic anomalies amongst thousands of 'normals'.
Posted By: alaska viking

Re: Marten pelt oddities - 02/25/18 05:01 PM

I caught a silver Marten last year.
Posted By: alaska viking

Re: Marten pelt oddities - 02/25/18 05:04 PM

This one was taken two years ago by a friend here in southeast Alaska.
Posted By: white17

Re: Marten pelt oddities - 02/25/18 05:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Gulo
Interesting ebsurveyor. Thanks for the tale of the deer situation. I don't suspect this is the case with the two marten pictured, however, as they are certainly not isolated and populations from which they came are relatively good. Rather, I'd suspect just genetic anomalies amongst thousands of 'normals'.



Jack; since marten litters are so small...would you suspect an anomaly such as your top picture would also occur in litter mate/s ? Or just like foxes ...would you see all color phases in the same litter?

Wondering because of the induced ovulation in marten possibly gives litter mates different dads ???
Posted By: Sharon

Re: Marten pelt oddities - 02/25/18 05:34 PM

Just love those yellow and orange colours, Jack!

What a fascinating subject ,is the marten clan, worldwide....one that I'm just scratching the surface in learning.

What a grand hat that top one would make, with the tie tassels in that gorgeous bright yellow for contrast.

Thank you for the share. See you on the surface cool
Posted By: Dirt

Re: Marten pelt oddities - 02/25/18 05:57 PM

Billy "white shoes" Johnson marten are fairly common here. Probably 2 or 3 percent a year. It is unclear if this is because I'm inbred.
Posted By: hippie

Re: Marten pelt oddities - 02/25/18 06:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Dirt
Billy "white shoes" Johnson marten are fairly common here. Probably 2 or 3 percent a year. It is unclear if this is because I'm inbred.


NO COMMENT! LOL.

How'd your season go Dirt? Hope you had a good one.
Posted By: Gulo

Re: Marten pelt oddities - 02/25/18 08:28 PM

AV. That silver is not like anything I've seen previously. Cool. The real white-headed ones that are orange (the canaries) are quite common in the Minchumina area, and I've run into them elsewhere from time to time.

Dirt. I'm guessing that the white-toed/white-footed marten are probably about 5% in the western interior (just a guess). Interesting that you're seeing about the same.

White17. I'm guessing that the 2 anomalies pictured above were probably cross-over or some equally obscure genetic make-up, and would further venture to guess they were the only ones in the litters to display. Again, just guessing.
Posted By: alaska viking

Re: Marten pelt oddities - 02/25/18 09:24 PM

Gulo, I stupidly pelted the silver out for auction. Only later did I realize my mistake.
Posted By: Dirt

Re: Marten pelt oddities - 02/25/18 10:14 PM

Am I the only guy whose marten have hair mites?

Hippie I was sick for about three weeks and could barely stumble to sets. That slowed me down a little. Still got in a 5 mile stagger when I ran out of gas on a particularly mushy day. I was going pretty slow at the end, more resting than snowshoeing.

We once made a blaze scarf. Just once.


Posted By: Gulo

Re: Marten pelt oddities - 02/25/18 10:46 PM

Here's an interesting white-footed, white-collared marten.



Jack
Posted By: alaska viking

Re: Marten pelt oddities - 02/25/18 10:54 PM

Crazy! I caught one about 8 years ago that had white front feet/toes, but my usual "weird" ones are the body color.
Posted By: alaska viking

Re: Marten pelt oddities - 02/25/18 10:57 PM

From this year, sort of a calico.
Posted By: alaska viking

Re: Marten pelt oddities - 02/25/18 11:00 PM

Hmmm. Looks sort of ratty in that pic, but wasn't.
Posted By: trapped4ever

Re: Marten pelt oddities - 02/25/18 11:34 PM

Posted By: trapperJM

Re: Marten pelt oddities - 02/25/18 11:55 PM

T4E for the win!

Thanks for starting the thread Gulo. Really interesting colors of marten.
Posted By: RdFx

Re: Marten pelt oddities - 02/26/18 12:44 AM

A few years ago while live trapping marten in Mn. for restocking in Wi., we trapped a totaly orange male marten. We released it as didnt want it for restocking purposes. Sure was neat. If i can get picture from biologist will post.
Posted By: alaska viking

Re: Marten pelt oddities - 02/26/18 12:46 AM

Dang, T4E! Your grade sheet must drive you crazy!
Posted By: waggler

Re: Marten pelt oddities - 02/26/18 01:21 AM

Originally Posted By: trapped4ever


imo, Beautiful!
Posted By: Gulo

Re: Marten pelt oddities - 02/26/18 01:33 AM

T4E! Unreal! Those are fantastic! Beautiful! Obvious, too, that your put-up is amongst the best (if not the very best) that I've ever seen. My hat off to you, sir!

Jack
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