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What is wrong with people?

Posted By: Trapper Kyle

What is wrong with people? - 03/13/18 09:14 PM

As a host of an outdoor show you go and do things like this. *allegedly*

http://wildlife.ohiodnr.gov/stay-informe...y-poaching-case
Posted By: PA.Trapper

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/13/18 09:38 PM

That just aint right.very dissapointed in Robby
Posted By: Marty

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/13/18 10:14 PM

wow.
Posted By: waggler

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/13/18 10:37 PM

Should I know these folks? I don't follow the TV personalities very much, were these guys on a particular outdoor network?
Posted By: SNIPERBBB

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/13/18 10:39 PM

Trapping Time, Pursuit Channel
Posted By: keets

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/13/18 10:40 PM


nice to see the "proof"/ evidence....but WOW
Posted By: danz

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/13/18 10:48 PM

http://www.heraldstaronline.com/news/local-news/2018/03/city-officer-facing-41-count-indictment/
Posted By: pcr2

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/13/18 10:53 PM

as a landowner in PA-good.
Posted By: yotecope

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/13/18 10:59 PM

I know of these guys I just didn't want to post anything here.. There is one fella there that they have been after for awhile and another that has had several run ins with the wardens.. not sticking up for any of them but for what I have seen and heard some may have just been dragged in on this and it is a total shame.. disrespect for the outdoors. . I kinda of like the trapping time TV show.. it was different and kept me itching to set traps
Posted By: waggler

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/13/18 11:01 PM

It seems like people will do strange things when there's a combination of money and whitetails. These incidences are happening more and more often; makes all of us look pretty bad.
Posted By: Huntall76

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/13/18 11:08 PM

Most have bent or broke a game law either on purpose or hopefully accidentally ,probably few and far between but to have this many charges ,if he is guilty hope they stick it to him. Did like the show ,bummer.
Posted By: Trapper Kyle

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/14/18 12:47 AM

Things happen but this seems to be a bit more then accidental
Posted By: cndgmn

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/14/18 12:58 AM

The better question is"what isn't a felony" Besides the one who already plead guilty,the others get their day in court.A person can be charged with anything but should be presumed innocent until proven guilty.If guilty,I hope he is punished accordingly.
Posted By: Ave

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/14/18 01:03 AM

That’s very disappointing. I’ve met and talked with Robby at multiple conventions. Will this have any affect on the show? Thanks
Posted By: lebowski

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/14/18 01:14 AM

no idea who these people are

Law enforcement busted up a big ring of them though. Got one to roll and implicate the whole group I bet...
Posted By: coalminer7755

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/14/18 01:39 AM

I've known Robby since grade school and after what he's done to people around this area, one word Karma.
Posted By: trapperkeck

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/14/18 01:40 AM

I would guess they will have to pay a fine of what will amount to a little less than a deer lease along with an apology and a promise to never do that again. Seems to be what happens most of the time.
Posted By: SNIPERBBB

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/14/18 01:57 AM

Your paying in Ohio a minimum 1k in additional restitution for a decent 8pt, a 134" buck will run you 2k extra. Turkey not so much.
Posted By: Huntall76

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/14/18 02:08 AM

Worst punishment he could get is a lifetime ban from hunting maybe trapping also. If it was just one or two even three would probably just get fine and have to make restitution but 18 charges!!!!!!

Rediculess, if he is guilty.
Posted By: Woodsloafer72

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/14/18 03:13 AM

What are "criminal tools?"
Posted By: Huntall76

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/14/18 03:16 AM

Maybe bolt cutters.
Posted By: SNIPERBBB

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/14/18 03:26 AM

I looked that up in the codes and it looks like it could be just about anything used during the commission of a crime. Doesnt state a list like: bolt cutters, lockpicks, knives, crowbars, etc.
Posted By: Trapper Kyle

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/14/18 03:53 AM

Originally Posted By: Woodsloafer72
What are "criminal tools?"


It seems anything used to commit the crime. That’s what I gathered anyway
Posted By: Marty

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/14/18 03:56 AM

Could be game cams on private that your trespassing on. Bolt cutters for locked gates.
Posted By: Dfabs

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/14/18 12:06 PM

This is very disappointing, and not good exposure for the trapping community. Looks like a couple charges are felonies. That might not stop him from trapping, but will take away his right to possess a firearm to hunt or trap with.
Posted By: SULLDOG

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/20/18 02:12 PM

So from 2006 to 2017 authorities are just sitting back gathering incidents? Not addressing each individual violation? That seems very personal to me! My guess is some jealous snitch brought all this on. Yeah, hey , let's target a hard working farther,husband,hunter and trapper and put him in prison! Garbage!!!

In pa your rules and regulations book issued to you cover about 5% of game laws, the other 95% is up to you to learn. So almost everyone commits violations and more then half are ignorant to said violation.

I like this one "up to officers discretion " unbelievable.

Turn in a poacher? What's that tell you? That means they operate on word of mouth and haters snitch in on people....meanwhile THE LAND OWNERS BREAK THE MOST LAWS!!!

I hunted and trapped PA from 1983 to 2015, I've not received 1 ticket, came close but was let go buy wardens decision. I love hunting and trapping, but just being honest I don't like many hunters and trappers! It's one big competition of egos, greed and jealousy.

I've not purchased a license in this state for 2 years I believe and I don't see it in my near future because I believe it's the hunters and trappers who are being hunted and trapped! ALONG WITH THE HELP OF OTHER HUNTERS AND TRAPPERS!!! PATHETIC!

God bless Robby Gilbert and his family. I wish him the very best of luck.
Posted By: 330-Trapper

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/20/18 02:19 PM

Originally Posted By: Trapper Kyle
Things happen but this seems to be a bit more then accidental
Exactly
Posted By: BBarnes

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/20/18 02:36 PM

Sad deal for sure.
Unfortunately sometimes it takes a while to build a case when your trying to get all that are involved. It doesn't happen in 30 minutes like on TV. Reality is that sometimes good people get involved with others who have bad intentions and I hope this is the case. Not saying that he's guilty and I hope it works out for him.

He's not the only TV show sportsmen that had a run in with Law Enforcement.

B
Posted By: mjh

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/20/18 02:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Ave
That’s very disappointing. I’ve met and talked with Robby at multiple conventions. Will this have any affect on the show? Thanks


should be cancelled asap
Posted By: bass10

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/20/18 02:48 PM

Originally Posted By: SULLDOG
So from 2006 to 2017 authorities are just sitting back gathering incidents? Not addressing each individual violation? That seems very personal to me! My guess is some jealous snitch brought all this on. Yeah, hey , let's target a hard working farther,husband,hunter and trapper and put him in prison! Garbage!!!

In pa your rules and regulations book issued to you cover about 5% of game laws, the other 95% is up to you to learn. So almost everyone commits violations and more then half are ignorant to said violation.

I like this one "up to officers discretion " unbelievable.

Turn in a poacher? What's that tell you? That means they operate on word of mouth and haters snitch in on people....meanwhile THE LAND OWNERS BREAK THE MOST LAWS!!!

I hunted and trapped PA from 1983 to 2015, I've not received 1 ticket, came close but was let go buy wardens decision. I love hunting and trapping, but just being honest I don't like many hunters and trappers! It's one big competition of egos, greed and jealousy.

I've not purchased a license in this state for 2 years I believe and I don't see it in my near future because I believe it's the hunters and trappers who are being hunted and trapped! ALONG WITH THE HELP OF OTHER HUNTERS AND TRAPPERS!!! PATHETIC!

God bless Robby Gilbert and his family. I wish him the very best of luck.


All I can say is WOW to this logic, issues that I certainly can't fix!
Posted By: SULLDOG

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/20/18 03:15 PM

Originally Posted By: Dfabs
This is very disappointing, and not good exposure for the trapping community. Looks like a couple charges are felonies. That might not stop him from trapping, but will take away his right to possess a firearm to hunt or trap with.



Ive known Robby for a long time and I watched him help and instruct many trappers, I'm not saying that makes him perfect, I'm saying I'll believe it when he out right admits to it. And as for being a theif? That's hog scrap! In company of wrong doers, maybe, idk, wasn't there! But I'm not lynching the guy
Posted By: BBarnes

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/20/18 03:22 PM

"I hunted and trapped PA from 1983 to 2015, I've not received 1 ticket, came close but was let go buy wardens decision. I love hunting and trapping, but just being honest I don't like many hunters and trappers! It's one big competition of egos, greed and jealousy.

I've not purchased a license in this state for 2 years I believe and I don't see it in my near future because I believe it's the hunters and trappers who are being hunted and trapped! ALONG WITH THE HELP OF OTHER HUNTERS AND TRAPPERS!!! PATHETIC!"

I thought that this part was the most interesting. "Logic" don't really see any. I would hate to stop hunting, trapping because of this reasoning. I enjoy the outdoors to much. If you "Don't like many hunters or trappers" why are you here? With your logic I wouldn't associate with any of us.

B
Posted By: scalloper

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/20/18 03:24 PM

All this effort and still no charges on Hillary
Posted By: yotecope

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/20/18 03:32 PM

Poaching is stealing in this state. if you take an animal and don't report it to the state that is stealing .. just going out on a limb here in saying that they found some untagged critters on there property
Posted By: cmcf

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/20/18 03:44 PM

I remember when GWs and feds
busted a huge poaching ring.
Involved were outfitters and guides and "clients" from several states. Hundreds of game animals. These sports were operating on the Dinosaur National Monument. Took a few years but they got them. And another sport that had his own show based on the number of big white tails he had "harvested". Turned out he was spotlighting with a crossbow!
When money enters the equation no telling what you will dredge up.
Posted By: Swamp Wolf

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/20/18 03:50 PM

Originally Posted By: SULLDOG
So from 2006 to 2017 authorities are just sitting back gathering incidents? Not addressing each individual violation? That seems very personal to me! My guess is some jealous snitch brought all this on. Yeah, hey , let's target a hard working farther,husband,hunter and trapper and put him in prison! Garbage!!!

In pa your rules and regulations book issued to you cover about 5% of game laws, the other 95% is up to you to learn. So almost everyone commits violations and more then half are ignorant to said violation.

I like this one "up to officers discretion " unbelievable.

Turn in a poacher? What's that tell you? That means they operate on word of mouth and haters snitch in on people....meanwhile THE LAND OWNERS BREAK THE MOST LAWS!!!

I hunted and trapped PA from 1983 to 2015, I've not received 1 ticket, came close but was let go buy wardens decision. I love hunting and trapping, but just being honest I don't like many hunters and trappers! It's one big competition of egos, greed and jealousy.

I've not purchased a license in this state for 2 years I believe and I don't see it in my near future because I believe it's the hunters and trappers who are being hunted and trapped! ALONG WITH THE HELP OF OTHER HUNTERS AND TRAPPERS!!! PATHETIC!

God bless Robby Gilbert and his family. I wish him the very best of luck.


Appears to be an investigation that involved several years.

Game wardens depend on the public for information. Thank goodness there are concerned sportsmen out there that are willing to help for the sake of our wildlife.

You may want to purchase a license if you hunt, fish or trap in Pa or we may be reading about you next.

Your post reads like you know exactly what Robby was up to...
Posted By: Swamp Wolf

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/20/18 03:52 PM

Originally Posted By: scalloper
All this effort and still no charges on Hillary


I didn't know Hitlery violated a wildlife law...lol
Posted By: SULLDOG

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/20/18 04:02 PM


I thought that this part was the most interesting. "Logic" don't really see any. I would hate to stop hunting, trapping because of this reasoning. I enjoy the outdoors to much. If you "Don't like many hunters or trappers" why are you here? With your logic I wouldn't associate with any of us.

B[/quote]

Im here to give my opinion on someone who I believe is being drug into something he doesn't deserve and or didn't commit. That's it! I didn't come here to ask you for a lynch mob application.
Posted By: BBarnes

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/20/18 04:06 PM

Im here to give my opinion on someone who I believe is being drug into something he doesn't deserve and or didn't commit. That's it! I didn't come here to ask you for a lynch mob application.

Well if you have more information then by all means fill in the blanks for us!!!!!

No application needed.


B
Posted By: Swamp Wolf

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/20/18 04:10 PM

Originally Posted By: coalminer7755
I've known Robby since grade school and after what he's done to people around this area, one word Karma.


This guy seems to know him too.
Posted By: SULLDOG

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/20/18 04:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Swamp Wolf
Originally Posted By: SULLDOG
So from 2006 to 2017 authorities are just sitting back gathering incidents? Not addressing each individual violation? That seems very personal to me! My guess is some jealous snitch brought all this on. Yeah, hey , let's target a hard working farther,husband,hunter and trapper and put him in prison! Garbage!!!

In pa your rules and regulations book issued to you cover about 5% of game laws, the other 95% is up to you to learn. So almost everyone commits violations and more then half are ignorant to said violation.

I like this one "up to officers discretion " unbelievable.

Turn in a poacher? What's that tell you? That means they operate on word of mouth and haters snitch in on people....meanwhile THE LAND OWNERS BREAK THE MOST LAWS!!!

I hunted and trapped PA from 1983 to 2015, I've not received 1 ticket, came close but was let go buy wardens decision. I love hunting and trapping, but just being honest I don't like many hunters and trappers! It's one big competition of egos, greed and jealousy.

I've not purchased a license in this state for 2 years I believe and I don't see it in my near future because I believe it's the hunters and trappers who are being hunted and trapped! ALONG WITH THE HELP OF OTHER HUNTERS AND TRAPPERS!!! PATHETIC!

God bless Robby Gilbert and his family. I wish him the very best of luck.


Appears to be an investigation that involved several years.

Game wardens depend on the public for information. Thank goodness there are concerned sportsmen out there that are willing to help for the sake of our wildlife.

You may want to purchase a license if you hunt, fish or trap in Pa or we may be reading about you next.

Your post reads like you know exactly what Robby was up to...



Listen swamp donkey, it's gonna be hard to catch me breaking a game law when I'm not in the game!

What my post reads like and what u interpret it to be is 2 different things.

I wasn't there and I don't know for sure but I don't believe Robby did those things...I believe someone's out to get him. And i also believe that too many people believe what's on the news
Posted By: Swamp Wolf

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/20/18 04:18 PM

No need to start name calling. You posted what you posted. I posted my opinion just like you.

A jury will likely decide your buddy's fate.
Posted By: Mike in A-town

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/20/18 04:19 PM

The man has a right to a trial by a jury of his peers. He will get to present his side of the story concerning the evidence against him. The state has the burden of proof concerning his guilt.

I will concede that there are a lot of honest LE agents and prosecutors whose main drive is to uphold the law... There are also a lot who are driven by greed and ambition.

I will reserve judgment until the man is convicted or acquitted.

Mike
Posted By: SULLDOG

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/20/18 04:19 PM

Originally Posted By: BBarnes
Im here to give my opinion on someone who I believe is being drug into something he doesn't deserve and or didn't commit. That's it! I didn't come here to ask you for a lynch mob application.

Well if you have more information then by all means fill in the blanks for us!!!!!

No application needed.


B



There's no blanks to fill in! I'm saying I don't believe Robby is guilty....PERIOD! Do I have proof he did or didnt? No. I'm stated I DON'T BELIEVE HE DID IT! And I'm not jumping on a bandwagon of haters out to convict an innocent man when they have zero knowledge of him committing it!!
Posted By: BBarnes

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/20/18 04:23 PM

I wasn't there and I don't know for sure but I don't believe Robby did those things...I believe someone's out to get him. And i also believe that too many people believe what's on the news

Well since the charges have been filed in a Court of Law we would have to believe the news. No he has not been convicted that is up to the Prosecutor, Judge and/or Jury.

As I stated earlier sometimes good people fall in with some others who do not make the right decisions, however that's not an excuse.


B
Posted By: SULLDOG

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/20/18 04:38 PM



Well since the charges have been filed in a Court of Law we would have to believe the news. No he has not been convicted that is up to the Prosecutor, Judge and/or Jury.

As I stated earlier sometimes good people fall in with some others who do not make the right decisions, however that's not an excuse.


B
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I DON'T HAVE TO BELIEVE JACK!!! Look at the charges!!! Not 1 felony will he be convicted of!! I personally will drive to your front door and take you to dinner, bar, church, gynecologist or wherever else you want to go if he is covicted of a felony! Not guilty!

Look at everyone else's charges then look at Robbys!!!! IT'S HOG SQUAT! THEY'RE THROWING CRAP AND SEEING WHAT WILL STICK!!! Mis tagged turkey. ...JOKE! Mis tagged deers....please!! He ain't dumb, he knows how ohio dnr are!!!

If anything they're trying to make him guilty buy association AND IT AIN'T GONNA STICK!

Now if you want to believe what you read then feel free, I hope you and oj Simpson live great and happy lives together and may yinz children be blessed. Best wishes to you!

PS.....WHERE ARE THE WHITE WOMEN AT??
Posted By: BBarnes

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/20/18 04:48 PM

Sulldog,

Wow you sure have some issues. I don't know of a Prosecutor let alone a Court that has time to Throw Crap and see if it sticks. The case loads they carry just don't have time for that.

Maybe you should take a moment and check in with that Gynecologist you mentioned.

No one wants to see anyone get in trouble especially if its a friend but it does happen. As stated he's been charged not convicted.


B
Posted By: bass10

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/20/18 05:18 PM

Theres people out there that believe OJ is innocent, he even basically confessed and they will still argue with you till their death. I have even seen very smart people that will fight about ones innocence even after they admit it and say that's what they had to do to get e lessor sentence. I say "come on man" ! theres just no pills to remedy stupid. If he's found guilty are you gonna believe it or still be in denial?
Posted By: pcr2

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/20/18 05:20 PM

as a landowner and large taxpayer in the state i hope if he IS guilty they take away everything but his birthday but i won't judge till he is judged but sure wouldn't stick up for him unless i was there.
Posted By: Ronaround

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/20/18 05:38 PM

Mis tagged turkey. ...JOKE! Mis tagged deers....please!! He ain't dumb, he knows how ohio dnr are!!!


Really, if you dont live in ohio then your assuming they are on there game. NE ohio. (1) game warden, now he's sharing with Lake county area.Hey its a free for all as far as i'm concerned How can one warden cover one county WELL and help in another. If this abuse happens its because were under manned in Wardens and the worthles governor Kasich to take away more funding.
If this guys guilty and gets legally found guilty in ohio then hes not sneaky enough.
Posted By: SULLDOG

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/21/18 01:32 PM

I don't know of a Prosecutor let alone a Court that has time to Throw Crap and see if it sticks.


B[/quote]

Hahaaaa, then what do you think prosecution does? They present a judge with everything they can whether its true or not to get the charged person convicted. Hence, THROWING CRAP TO SEE WHAT STICKS.

I brought up Robbys charges to a friend who is an attorney. His opinion is, the charges will have to be proven. In Fed cases crime orginizations have had years of cases built up to convict said orginizations. In this case especially in the charging states if you are guilty of hunting from a vehicle you're charged on sight!!!

The tags not on deer and turkey after they have been tagged in the field and reported to said state then rendered for consumption and or mounted is ridiculous! So throw out all the tag and theft charges.

Hunting without permission? Look at the variables to that. That can be a matter of inches!! Humans can't see property lines....thrown out!

All of which is topped with Engaging in corrupt activities. ....There's no corruption in Robbys charges. Did people in or around him commit violations, yes, 1 admitted to it the article says.

Now let's say I'm a judge and I see Robbys charges..here's an employed tax payer with no criminal record pushing 40 years of age. An avid sportsman with a clean record who belongs to sportsman's orginizations, instructs trapping,has a tv show in which some of his harvests are filmed and viewed world wide on the Internet and tv, father and husband is now dumb enough, brave enough or thinking he is above the law to risk all this on 2 deer and 1 turkey????? Ahhh, how bout NO!

He doesn't need to trespass. He doesn't need to hunt from a vehicle...in fact, there's video proof of Robby with a broken leg hunting out of a wheel chair and groundblind...TELEVISED! ! If I'm not mistaken, he could have acquired a handicapped permit for all anyone knows!

You can't convict a man on hear say. There most be proof. And if there was proof he would have been convicted in the beginning. This is case building 101. This imo is jealous sportsman making false reports...in short, HATERS. And even they won't get in trouble because of wording buy wildlife authorities who post...IF YOU KNOW OR SUSPECT SOMEONE OF POACHING!!!!

Seriously, ALL SPORTSMENS should care about these stipulations! THIS COULD BE YOU! How easy is it for someone who doesn't like you and is out to get you, to pick up a phone, call game commission and say " this dudes poaching!" And it's on!!!

So now, this man loses his show, his sponsors, his job and his reputation. And who knows, that could lead to divorce and child visitations kick in!!!! FOR 2 DEER AND 1 TURKEY!??? THAT'S INSANE TO ME!

It's too easy to get jammed up and trouble with the law for me to hunt or trap in PA. It's not worth the risk,time,money or effort imo to go afield for what? There are FAR better states to hunt and trap in and that's where I'll be personally.

I do not agree with poaching or criminal acts. I do love hunting,trapping and fishing, anyone who knows me knows I've done it almost my entire life without penalty. But it doesn't mean I couldn't be in Robbys shoes or any of you for that matter....some of you need to step down off your mountain of judgment
Posted By: pcr2

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/21/18 01:35 PM

Are you trying to convince me or you??i will still wait for a verdict but will admit i feel PA gov. is redneck corrupt at many levels.been here all my 50 yrs.
Posted By: Catch22

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/21/18 01:49 PM

Originally Posted By: BBarnes
Sulldog,

Wow you sure have some issues. I don't know of a Prosecutor let alone a Court that has time to Throw Crap and see if it sticks. The case loads they carry just don't have time for that.

Maybe you should take a moment and check in with that Gynecologist you mentioned.

No one wants to see anyone get in trouble especially if its a friend but it does happen. As stated he's been charged not convicted.


B

You just described the 9th district court of appeals. And about 87% of the time it doesn't stick. I got to meet Robby this year at our convention and he was very helpful, kind and a blast to shoot the bull with. I will presume he is innocent until proven guilty. I wish Robby and his family well!
Posted By: BBarnes

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/21/18 02:18 PM

I do not agree with poaching or criminal acts. I do love hunting,trapping and fishing, anyone who knows me knows I've done it almost my entire life without penalty. But it doesn't mean I couldn't be in Robbys shoes or any of you for that matter....some of you need to step down off your mountain of judgment

Every post I made states "He's been charged not convicted".

You asked "What do I think a Prosecutor does? Well having worked with one for the last 20 plus years in my Occupation, They are presented the FACTS of a case and decide if there is enough PROBABLE CAUSE to issue an arrest warrant. They-Judge/Jury decide guilt not the Prosecutor.
But in your opinion I guess they woke up that morning and said I think we'll pick on this group of people today. Let's do hours of paperwork and throw it at the court and see if it sticks, we have nothing else to do with our time today.

As far as Mountain of Judgement you claim I'm on. I've have not stated anything to attack this man and won't.
AGAIN HE HAS BEEN CHARGED ALONG WITH THE OTHERS, NOT CONVICTED---LEARN THE DIFFERENCE
I would look to see which side of the Mountain you are on. You sure seem to judge some of us.

To me it's a sad situation


B


Posted By: Riverotter2

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/21/18 02:36 PM

Some years back I knew a guy who was the only one around doing beaver damage control work and this guy was knocking down some dollars. He was nice enough I reckon but he had one bad hang-up, he couldn't stand to watch a deer walk by. Law didn't catch him but the word from land owners did. Put him out of business. Some critters do funny things to some folks. He not the first and won't be the last and life goes on.
Posted By: sempergumby

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/21/18 04:01 PM

I think the point that Sully is trying to make is that even though he is only "charged", he is pretty much done in the industry regardless of his outcome. Yes, a lot of charges are thrown like snowballs to see which one will hit and stick. The tagging of deer and turkey in Ohio is the most ridiculous charge i have ever seen. They don't even issue weather resistance temporary tags anymore. Its stand printer paper for all tags. and you are supposed to keep that with your deer or turkey until it is completely consumed or the life of the mount? Gimme a break... Ohio is about as shady as it can get. I have personally had three wildlife officers remove an animal and cite me for illegible tags. My tags were muddy, it rained for three days straight and only had to be wiped off. I had to take off work, and go to court and explained why my tag was not legible. The judge threw it out and said I wasted my time for this? This is no joke, it happened at Ceasers Creek. So why wouldn't any other officers "bend the truth"? and as soon as you are charged, you are screwed no matter what.

And yes, people are already condemning him. One post read, cancel the show immediately...REALLY? Say you are out running snares in the pouring down rain, and you slip and fall in some water. The warden stops you, he checks your permission slip, can't read it or any other permission slips in your bag. He doesn't mention anything to you about it, just nonchalantly asks about other properties you've been trapping. You know, passive aggressive interrogation techniques. and then he checks your snares and you are in a state that requires 250 pound B.A.D.s and to him they look like 280 pound. And one the areas you are trapping is government land. Guess what you get sighted for, felony trespassing on federal property, however many other permission slips he couldn't read, and however many counts for the number of snares you told him you had out.

You aren't guilty yet. But your life will never be the same after. When in reality, you didn't do anything wrong.

I haven't even brought up the search of your home where they find one extra duck breast in your freezer, and the questionable deer meat in your freezer that was too old to get a clear DNA sample to match up with the tags you have entered into the system... The list goes on... And don't think for once that isn't how it happens.

Do all of you have tags for the shed that you find in the fall? what about the skull you found while mushroom hunting that you brought to use for backing? You take that out trapping and the warden sees you, guess what, it's illegal possession.

one word....SHADY
Posted By: SULLDOG

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/21/18 04:15 PM

Yes that's sure true. I've lost so called friends over critters, it's insane.

However, in this case, I don't believe that's the issue with Robby Gilbert. And if it is, then it is. And you're also right, life goes on Riverotter!
Posted By: SULLDOG

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/21/18 04:36 PM

It's 100% SHADY! And Semper said it better then me. He's already guilty in most people's eyes and regardless of outcome there will be repercussions to him. And to me, that in itself is a crime!
Posted By: SULLDOG

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/21/18 05:36 PM


I thought that this part was the most interesting. "Logic" don't really see any. I would hate to stop hunting, trapping because of this reasoning. I enjoy the outdoors to much. If you "Don't like many hunters or trappers" why are you here? With your logic I wouldn't associate with any of us.

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Who said I stopped hunting or trapping? I said I stopped hunting and trapping PENNSYLVANIA!!!

ASSUMPTION IS THE MOTHER OF ALL SCREW UPS, STOP ASSUMING.

Why am I here if I don't like many hunters and trappers? Again with the assumption, didn't say I didn't like any!

I've had the privilege to meet and befriend alot of fine folks on here. And with that, I've met many people who I don't care to deal with. I spose 30/70 ratio. Personally I don't tend to get excepted into large groups of ANY KIND of people.

And truthfully, this is one of the big reasons here. One would expect fellow sportsmen to stand buy Robby! Nevermind all he's done for wildlife conservation, instructing new trappers and promoting our heritage. Cancel the show AND take EVERYTHING BECAUSE HE STOLE 2 DEER AND 1 TURKEY!
YEP, I'M POSITIVE I WOULDN'T ASSOCIATE WITH ANYONE WITH THAT ATTITUDE!

I believe someone asked what would I do if Robby Gilbert is found guilty of these charges. My answer....Ill pray for his family and HE'S WELCOME TO HUNT AND TRAP MY LAND ANYDAY!!! Because I don't believe that 3 wrong doings, 6,7,8,9,50 are enough to condemn a brother who's done a lifetime of good!!! Keep turning your back on your own brothers and sisters....THE ANTIS ARE LOVING THE WORK YOU'RE DOING FOR THEM!!

Lastly I never claimed to be a poster boy for the Commonwealth. I tend to lean to the side of rule breakers like Johny Cash, Elvis Presley and Jesus Christ. So heck, i forgive him if he did or didnt.
Posted By: bass10

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/21/18 05:39 PM

Originally Posted By: SULLDOG
I don't know of a Prosecutor let alone a Court that has time to Throw Crap and see if it sticks.


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Hahaaaa, then what do you think prosecution does? They present a judge with everything they can whether its true or not to get the charged person convicted. Hence, THROWING CRAP TO SEE WHAT STICKS.

Prosecutors won't have a job long if they lie about the evidence they have. They get tips and follow up and not all of them are found to be game laws.

I brought up Robbys charges to a friend who is an attorney. His opinion is, the charges will have to be proven. In Fed cases crime orginizations have had years of cases built up to convict said orginizations. In this case especially in the charging states if you are guilty of hunting from a vehicle you're charged on sight!!!

Of course the charges will have to be proven but they wouldn't have charged without a very good case.

The tags not on deer and turkey after they have been tagged in the field and reported to said state then rendered for consumption and or mounted is ridiculous! So throw out all the tag and theft charges.

Whether or not you still have the paper tag doesn't matter. They will do the simple research as to whether they were phoned in with a number, my guess if they continued with this charge they weren't?

Hunting without permission? Look at the variables to that. That can be a matter of inches!! Humans can't see property lines....thrown out!

A game of inches probably isn't going to be a problem and I highly doubt they were inches off the property they had permission to be on? Come on man!
The charges as I read are bolt cutting off a lock on a gated road to get access to land they didn't have permission to be on.


All of which is topped with Engaging in corrupt activities. ....There's no corruption in Robbys charges. Did people in or around him commit violations, yes, 1 admitted to it the article says.

Then Robby probably won't have this charge upheld?

Now let's say I'm a judge and I see Robbys charges..here's an employed tax payer with no criminal record pushing 40 years of age. An avid sportsman with a clean record who belongs to sportsman's orginizations, instructs trapping,has a tv show in which some of his harvests are filmed and viewed world wide on the Internet and tv, father and husband is now dumb enough, brave enough or thinking he is above the law to risk all this on 2 deer and 1 turkey????? Ahhh, how bout NO!

Sometimes people get caught up in keeping a good thing going. Years back guys hunted in Yellowstone for Bull Elk and were busted. But they had to keep
their show moving forward and needed the film. IF it was only 2 deer and 1 turkey and he is found guilty of this, there's more than likely more lines he's crossed. And I say if he's found guilty of this.


He doesn't need to trespass. He doesn't need to hunt from a vehicle...in fact, there's video proof of Robby with a broken leg hunting out of a wheel chair and groundblind...TELEVISED! ! If I'm not mistaken, he could have acquired a handicapped permit for all anyone knows!

If there's no hard proof of him trespassing then so be it.

You can't convict a man on hear say. There most be proof. And if there was proof he would have been convicted in the beginning. This is case building 101. This imo is jealous sportsman making false reports...in short, HATERS. And even they won't get in trouble because of wording buy wildlife authorities who post...IF YOU KNOW OR SUSPECT SOMEONE OF POACHING!!!!

Sportsman make claims to protect the integrity of the sport. After such claims are reported the DNR doesn't just assume the claim as true and try to make it true. They do the legwork and if its there then they move forward and if its not they quickly disregard it.


Seriously, ALL SPORTSMENS should care about these stipulations! THIS COULD BE YOU! How easy is it for someone who doesn't like you and is out to get you, to pick up a phone, call game commission and say " this dudes poaching!" And it's on!!!

This happened to my good buddy that is a heck of a hunter. The game warden did his checking and found out that he did everything by the book.

So now, this man loses his show, his sponsors, his job and his reputation. And who knows, that could lead to divorce and child visitations kick in!!!! FOR 2 DEER AND 1 TURKEY!??? THAT'S INSANE TO ME!

It would be terrible if he is found innocent of all charges especially if it is in fact just not properly tagging 2 deer and 1 turkey.

It's too easy to get jammed up and trouble with the law for me to hunt or trap in PA. It's not worth the risk,time,money or effort imo to go afield for what? There are FAR better states to hunt and trap in and that's where I'll be personally.

I do not agree with poaching or criminal acts. I do love hunting,trapping and fishing, anyone who knows me knows I've done it almost my entire life without penalty. But it doesn't mean I couldn't be in Robbys shoes or any of you for that matter....some of you need to step down off your mountain of judgment [/quote]

If he's found guilty I will judge him, if completely innocent then I will feel very bad for what he went through.
Posted By: bass10

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/21/18 05:45 PM

Originally Posted By: SULLDOG
So from 2006 to 2017 authorities are just sitting back gathering incidents? Not addressing each individual violation? That seems very personal to me! My guess is some jealous snitch brought all this on. Yeah, hey , let's target a hard working farther,husband,hunter and trapper and put him in prison! Garbage!!!

In pa your rules and regulations book issued to you cover about 5% of game laws, the other 95% is up to you to learn. So almost everyone commits violations and more then half are ignorant to said violation.

I like this one "up to officers discretion " unbelievable.

Turn in a poacher? What's that tell you? That means they operate on word of mouth and haters snitch in on people....meanwhile THE LAND OWNERS BREAK THE MOST LAWS!!!

I hunted and trapped PA from 1983 to 2015, I've not received 1 ticket, came close but was let go buy wardens decision. I love hunting and trapping, but just being honest I don't like many hunters and trappers! It's one big competition of egos, greed and jealousy.

I've not purchased a license in this state for 2 years I believe and I don't see it in my near future because I believe it's the hunters and trappers who are being hunted and trapped! ALONG WITH THE HELP OF OTHER HUNTERS AND TRAPPERS!!! PATHETIC!

God bless Robby Gilbert and his family. I wish him the very best of luck.
Posted By: pcr2

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/21/18 05:46 PM

and i will say right or wrong,left or right.i wish i had a couple friends that have my back such as you.not common anymore.
Posted By: SULLDOG

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/21/18 05:57 PM

Originally Posted By: pcr2
and i will say right or wrong,left or right.i wish i had a couple friends that have my back such as you.not common anymore.


With over 5 decades to your credit, I believe you've done alot for wildlife. You deserve brothers and sisters support.
Posted By: JEckman

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/21/18 07:15 PM

Every state I've ever hunted fished or trapped in has some I got you if I want you rules...
Posted By: bass10

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/21/18 07:42 PM

Originally Posted By: JEckman
Every state I've ever hunted fished or trapped in has some I got you if I want you rules...


I agree. Every hunter I know has taken a wee beside his truck, bam, public indecency if they want to be dicks. I turkey hunted a property a few years back and the neighbor had corn out to feed the deer and turkey. I was questioned and accused of hunting a baited area? I said I didn't know he was feeding the wildlife (and I didn't). After stiff questioning I basically told him I had no idea and if I did then I would have had to trespass to know what he is doing over there and then he let me off.
Posted By: SULLDOG

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/21/18 08:12 PM

Originally Posted By: JEckman
Every state I've ever hunted fished or trapped in has some I got you if I want you rules...


Yes they do. But for me, the juice has to be worth the squeeze.

Illinois, Iowa, Michigan, Wisconsin, Montana, Colorado , Wyoming, New Mexico and Texas ARE WORTH THE SQUEEZE FOR ME PERSONALLY!

That's no disrespect to other states.
Pennsylvania? Keep it! All it's good for is Spring Gobbler, Coon hunting and trapping, Lake Erie, Football,Wrestling and thick thighed women! You can keep the rest, I have no use for petty stranglehold regulations and 2 1/2 year old bucks hunted buy 500k weekend warriors who HAVE TO KILL ON SATURDAY'S!

I absolutely refuse to pay 1 red cent to hunt or trap in Pennsylvania. All that do, I wish u the very best! But I'm here to report, the grass IS greener on the other side.
Posted By: bass10

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/21/18 08:16 PM

Sulldog, you should have moved like yesterday. I love everything about Ohio, hunting, trapping,fishing, HS and all sports. If I hated it and the state I'd moved yesterday!
Posted By: SULLDOG

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/21/18 08:35 PM

Originally Posted By: bass10
Sulldog, you should have moved like yesterday. I love everything about Ohio, hunting, trapping,fishing, HS and all sports. If I hated it and the state I'd moved yesterday!


No need to move! I'm 46, retired Correctional officer with pension n medical, great part time job, kids 27,23,19, successful, 1 living parent, 1 living monster in law I mean mother in law, wife owns n operates her buisness, I love my home along the Monogehela river and it's much easy and less responsibility to visit great states who have superior hunting and trapping then to reside in them.
Yes, Ohio is great. Iowa is better and their Game/Fish cops are not as massive of bung holes!
Posted By: pcr2

Re: What is wrong with people? - 03/21/18 10:03 PM

i cheat all the way around living less than a mile from the state line.between the 2 states i could never move.doesn't help my farm has been in the family since the 1880's.
Posted By: Huntall76

Re: What is wrong with people? - 06/16/18 07:00 AM

Does anyone know what's going on with this?
Posted By: Catch22

Re: What is wrong with people? - 06/16/18 01:46 PM

Originally Posted By: Huntall76
Does anyone know what's going on with this?

I have been wondering about it too. I did find this. Trial set date link
Posted By: BigBob

Re: What is wrong with people? - 06/16/18 05:33 PM

Originally Posted By: pcr2
as a landowner in PA-good.
As a landowner ANYWHERE, Good!
Posted By: nyhuntfish

Re: What is wrong with people? - 06/16/18 08:37 PM

Waaaaat? Robbie Gilbert? I freaking love that show.
Posted By: Ole

Re: What is wrong with people? - 06/16/18 09:16 PM

He was treated unfairly by the government. So unfairly. I think he should be pardoned.
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: What is wrong with people? - 06/16/18 11:05 PM

I always wonder why States can declare ownership of all animals living on private property when State has nothing to do with providing feed and habitat for said animals.
Wardens here in NE saw 7 blinds from an airplane on a piece of property. Thought sure they had uncovered a poaching ring. Second day of season, 7 wardens (some borrowed from Kansas? stormed the property.....big boys from the office in the State capitol came down even. The property was leased by hunters from NY State. Ended up writing a 15 yr old boy a ticket for having a stand within 200 feet of a feedpile. His mother took the ticket as the boy told the gustapos that he wanted to be a warden when he grew up. Then the next Monday personnel had to drive another 150 miles to present the ticket to the county attorney...........your tax and fee dollars at work.
Posted By: boneheadjaz

Re: What is wrong with people? - 06/16/18 11:42 PM

We have some locals in my area that are wannabe "pro" outdoor personality types. They have a few sponsors and and a show. One is a police officer. They are the most disrespectful bunch. Trespass and such. To the extent that they claimed to have permission in leased mining property to the property owner (which was an outright lie as I run the mine). The "officer" had an incident this spring gobbler with a buddy of mines father who is retired. Verbally accosted and harrassed him about messing up his hunt yet he was trespassing. Property owner and police were involved. Charges are filed and it may cost the douche bag his job. I've stated before and stand by it that a large portion of so called outdoorsmen are total trash and it is crippling to those of us with morals and a true desire to be real outdoorsmen.
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: What is wrong with people? - 06/17/18 12:51 AM

I never heard of him till I read this thread. Take your tv to an auction. TV is overrated anyway. Once a year or so after you quit watching try to watch again. You wont know what you ever saw in it. Make your own adventures. Its lots more fun than watching commercials just to see a few minutes of somebody else's adventure.
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: What is wrong with people? - 06/17/18 12:56 AM

Bow howdy! True on both accounts. There are a lot of "outdoorsmen" who are complete sh*tbags. Abuse possession limits, size limits, etc.
And yes, TV sucks arse. Wife watches some Home Improvement stuff. I used to tolerate the Alaska shows but they are gone now.
Posted By: Bigfoot

Re: What is wrong with people? - 06/17/18 11:11 AM

I doubt LE. investigated this bunch for years or kept tabs on them putting together this list of charges . it's a lot simpler than that . I would bet all LE did was get enough charges against one individual to seize all their media . then it wasn't anything more than going through all the video and picture archives and comparing time and gps location stamps on all the digital images ,cross referencing them to applicable seasons and locations looking for violations . the hazards of living life on camera .

hypothetically speaking lets say somebody goes shed hunting on a refuge where its not legal to pick up sheds and films it then makes a show that they get paid for . this could generate charges of trespass theft for the horns ,possession of deer parts if they find a scull ,a shed dog and the camera they filmed with could be criminal tool
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: What is wrong with people? - 06/17/18 02:51 PM

Yep......years ago I read about a case where a SD outfit got a local mailing address in Wyoming, started getting resident tags and selling them to out-of-state hunters. When they finally got caught, they went back years and basically ended up ruining the peoples lives with tens of thousands of dollars in fines. Just isn't worth the risk.
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: What is wrong with people? - 06/17/18 02:52 PM

Wyoming F & G used to have a "Wall of Shame" or something to that effect. You could go look and see all the cases of wrong-doing.
Posted By: hippie

Re: What is wrong with people? - 06/17/18 04:20 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYv4__Ym1no
Posted By: Raizmup

Re: What is wrong with people? - 07/20/18 01:50 PM

Any more info on this? Been to courts yet?
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