So, England doesn't like the U.S. recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel!!!!! Imagine that!
I thought this might give you a better understanding of the insidiousness of Hijrah; that's the takeover of a nation without going to war.
Don't think for a moment that America is not a target or that there are no American cities where Islamic and Sharia victories and takeovers have already occurred.
It's time for border control, or start planning for a very big goodbye to the American way of life!
Here's what has already happened to England within a few years of opening their borders without any entry control.
How the British have passively succumbed to the Musloid invasion:
Mayor of London ... MUSLIM
Mayor of Birmingham ... MUSLIM
Mayor of Leeds .. MUSLIM
Mayor of Blackburn ... MUSLIM
Mayor of Sheffield ... MUSLIM
Mayor of Oxford .. MUSLIM
Mayor of Luton .... MUSLIM
Mayor of Oldham ... MUSLIM
Mayor of Rochdale .... MUSLIM
All the following achieved by just 4 million Muslims out of the 66 million population:
Over 3,000 Muslim Mosques
Over 130 Muslim Sharia Courts
Over 50 Muslim Sharia Councils
Muslims Only No-Go Areas Across The UK
Muslim Women...78% don't work and are on FREE benefits/housing
Muslim Men...63% don't work and are on FREE benefits/housing
Muslim Families...6-8 children planning to go on FREE benefits/housing and now all UK schools are ONLY serving HALAL MEAT!
...and we (the USA and CANADA) can't decide on an immigration policy???
One of the ways to combat this is to keep circulating information such as this e-mail around our United States and Canada to inform the uninformed, who mainly only listen and read the left leaning US and Canadian radio/TV and newspapers. I have not seen this in the US or Canadian media...have you?
Right now in Hamtramck, Michigan a couple of Muslims are on the board. ( It used to be a Polish district only ) If you drive through Dearborn and not Muslim, your in the minority.
So be aware of the changes and be prepared to be threatened with minority status.
What the word freedom means to us is not what they define it as.
Immigrants hear the first part of the word as in free and they feel they are entitled to come to our country and live free off the programs are country dishes out.
Follow the money and you will see what party supports immigrants coming by the thousands for in trade for future votes.
Selling our country out one vote at a time. And yes the populations in certain major cities is being dominated by immigrants.
I see it in st cloud Mn even. And there are other areas as well.
I don't understand why we as a country need to meddle into everything in other countries on deciding what the capital of what is.
The article James linked confirms that the OP's claims are mostly true. The author admits having no idea how many mosques or Sharia courts there actually are but doesn't feel as though there are that many.
I care how many mosques there are in England...and I really do not care for muslims.
At all.
Imagine how much better off the world would be without them....England and the western EU will be controlled by them as a majority of the population in the near future.
Full fact. org appears to be a UK version of snopes. Lot of dodging by use of We’re not aware of any data on benefit claimants by religion. Noticed they had to toss out the cover all else race card too.
They don't know the number of churches and mosques in the UK it said.
They did know who the mayors were. And the email is false on this point.
Jim
They said they think the number is somewhat less than the 3,000 reported in the email. But they really don't know.
The linked article said all of the cities reported in the email did have Muslim mayors at some point. Some did not at the time of the article. London is one of the many cities that still does.
The article confirms that most of the email is true. It certainly doesn't discredit it and certainly doesn't show it to be "fake news."
I'm scared of any religious zealot. Islam does seem to have more than its share. Tell a Christian their religion is all fairy tales, they may get mad, may start praying or quoting the bible or something, but are unlikely to assault you.
Islam requires a true believer to kill anyone who blasphemes Islam. We don't need to import any more.
All else being equal, human nature is to vote or pick someone like themselves. Muslims will always vote for a Muslim. Read period. We already have a culture and it has made us the greatest country in the world. No need to change. Furthermore where are all the English and Americans who have moved to Muslim countries? They don't. It's better here...
I'm scared of any religious zealot. Islam does seem to have more than its share. Tell a Christian their religion is all fairy tales, they may get mad, may start praying or quoting the bible or something, but are unlikely to assault you.
Islam requires a true believer to kill anyone who blasphemes Islam. We don't need to import any more.
I agree we don't necessarily need to import more, but have to point out that the vast majority of Muslims here in the US want to coexist peacefully with the rest of us.
All else being equal, human nature is to vote or pick someone like themselves. Muslims will always vote for a Muslim. Read period. We already have a culture and it has made us the greatest country in the world. No need to change. Furthermore where are all the English and Americans who have moved to Muslim countries? They don't. It's better here...
Of course it's better here. Because we have rights, like those recognized by the First Amendment, including freedom of religion.
Yep..Looks like in the U.S. Constitution that the any faith may be free to exist. So looks like to me some are just going to have to move over so the rest can get in..
Where they are from Islam IS the religion. They are not here as a result of persecution. Neither are they here for rights or liberty. Nor love of America. Economic opportunity is the main as it has been for quite some time.. It's undeniable America is a Christian culture as a whole. Granted less so today. While far from perfect, we've done rather well. It is that Christian culture coupled with intelligence and experience that birthed this great nation. Allowing us to flourish and grow. Not all of us identify as Christian but without a doubt we are culturally. When in Rome....
Where they are from Islam IS the religion. They are not here as a result of persecution. Neither are they here for rights or liberty. Nor love of America. Economic opportunity is the main as it has been for quite some time.. It's undeniable America is a Christian culture as a whole. Granted less so today. While far from perfect, we've done rather well. It is that Christian culture coupled with intelligence and experience that birthed this great nation. Allowing us to flourish and grow. Not all of us identify as Christian but without a doubt we are culturally. When in Rome....
All else being equal, human nature is to vote or pick someone like themselves. Muslims will always vote for a Muslim. Read period. We already have a culture and it has made us the greatest country in the world. No need to change. Furthermore where are all the English and Americans who have moved to Muslim countries? They don't. It's better here...
Of course it's better here. Because we have rights, like those recognized by the First Amendment, including freedom of religion.
Islam is a religion, not an ethnicity or race.
Jim
Your wrong councilor, it is a cult, inspired by a loony child molester that sat arounfd the jews campfires while they were trading. They are here to kill us or breed us out of existence, what part of the lib mindset can't get that? They are not a religion of peace, never have been and never will be. You wish to see this country under shiria law, just keep thinking that garbage!
Where they are from Islam IS the religion. They are not here as a result of persecution. Neither are they here for rights or liberty. Nor love of America. Economic opportunity is the main as it has been for quite some time.. It's undeniable America is a Christian culture as a whole. Granted less so today. While far from perfect, we've done rather well. It is that Christian culture coupled with intelligence and experience that birthed this great nation. Allowing us to flourish and grow. Not all of us identify as Christian but without a doubt we are culturally. When in Rome....
Wasn't it the "muzzies" that pulled Christian Europe out of the dark ages?
I think what makes America unique isn't Christianity but that its a continent inhabited by risk takers and hard workers. Europe sucked and people were starving so the more daring ones said "forget this" and risked their lives and leave their families to come over here....not much has changed the immigrant experience in the last 400 years.
Nobody is going to control England in the near or distant future but the British. Most things people fear never happen. Fear not. Spend your energy elsewhere.
Where they are from Islam IS the religion. They are not here as a result of persecution. Neither are they here for rights or liberty. Nor love of America. Economic opportunity is the main as it has been for quite some time.. It's undeniable America is a Christian culture as a whole. Granted less so today. While far from perfect, we've done rather well. It is that Christian culture coupled with intelligence and experience that birthed this great nation. Allowing us to flourish and grow. Not all of us identify as Christian but without a doubt we are culturally. When in Rome....
Wasn't it the "muzzies" that pulled Christian Europe out of the dark ages?
I think what makes America unique isn't Christianity but that its a continent inhabited by risk takers and hard workers. Europe sucked and people were starving so the more daring ones said "forget this" and risked their lives and leave their families to come over here....not much has changed the immigrant experience in the last 400 years.
Our forefathers came to this country to escape religious persicution for the most part. Muzzies are not here for that, neither are they here to build anything but their religion. What does it take to get the point accross, your daughter raped? That is what is happening now in Germany, with their stupid muticurturalism. You want that here, just keep thinking their great! What I don't get is the liberals embrace these people, but they are in direct conflict with the libs so called inclusion of queers and everything they stand for. Why?
I can look up some decent articles later in the day.
If you have a library near you (or you could even buy the book) check out "How the Arabs Transformed Western Civilization" by Jonathan Lyons Bloomsbury
I agree we don't necessarily need to import more, but have to point out that the vast majority of Muslims here in the US want to coexist peacefully with the rest of us.
Jim
Then I guess the Muslims that have created havoc here were just pent up rage?
Do you not realize what moles are in our society? Keep your head in the sand.
The Islamic radical followers are just continuing the Christian Crusades to their end gain.
Tell me why they always have to build a mosque wherever they think that they have overcome an area?
Because that's their religious belief. Take a look at Jerusalem with a mosque on top of the Christian Temple remains!!!
Pretty much they reintroduced the greek classics, stirred interested in the sciences, introduced the zero (zed for you canucks) and decimal system, Algebra and many other contributions. Literacy was almost universal in the Arab world at the time while most of Europe was illiterate and the powers that be at the time wanted to keep the masses in the dark.
Muzzies will outbreed Europeans, including the British within 25-30 years but at the rate they import them it may be a lot sooner.
The native eu birthrate is 1.somehing......muzzies are 10+. Do the math. The problem is severe. Many places a non muslim cannot go without being afraid. Sweden has gone from the friendliest place on earth to the rape capitol of eurpoe because of these people they imported. Merkel and the eu leaders wanted them in because the birthrate was so low and retirement age so young they need workers....
muzzies are also taking over all of africa and parts of asia. The expansion of islam is a problem worldwide. Its a story not spoken about by the media.
Anyone who thinks that muzzies will not be the controlling force in England or the eu before too long is oblivious to the facts and principles of mathematics.
muzzies are also taking over all of africa and parts of asia. The expansion of islam is a problem worldwide. Its a story not spoken about by the media.
Today the largest muslim country is 1/2 way around the world from there and the fourth most populated country in the world. That country just gave public corporal punishment to Christians who broke sharia law.
Pretty much they reintroduced the greek classics, stirred interested in the sciences, introduced the zero (zed for you canucks) and decimal system, Algebra and many other contributions. Literacy was almost universal in the Arab world at the time while most of Europe was illiterate and the powers that be at the time wanted to keep the masses in the dark.
Yes, the hordes of Moors and Saracens brought a few perks along with a tide of blood...
And we responded with the Crusades.
We built on what we learned from them and moved on.
Where would muslim majority countries be if western companies had not gone over and invested in places like Saudi Arabia?
It's safe to assume they would still be shooting each other off the backs of camels with flintlock jazails fighting over whose goats get to drink at the oasis first.
I’ve gotten into it on this site with the fools who try to defend Islam. I’ve come to the conclusion that there will always be a large segment of the population who cannot understand the concept of self preservation. I won’t argue with them. It’s like trying to pet a rattlesnake and thinking eventually I’ll have a good outcome. Isn’t gonna happen. What I won’t do is be quiet about my position.
Islam should be outlawed in our country. Even if we have to amend the first amendment to do it. 95% of Muslims are born enemies of our country. They don’t change over time. In fact some grow worse as they attempt to reclaim their heritage after being “Americanized’”. Those who are adherents to Islam need to be deported or rounded up and confined. This is a much kinder approach than they would use with us were they the majority. Sadly too many muddle headed thinkers exist both here and in Europe to properly deal with the problem. Maybe after enough people have their daughters raped, and citizens murdered by bombs, trucks, and acid attacks, by Muslims, thinking will change. I have a feeling it’s gonna get FAR worse before it gets better- if it gets better at all.
I’ve gotten into it on this site with the fools who try to defend Islam. I’ve come to the conclusion that there will always be a large segment of the population who cannot understand the concept of self preservation. I won’t argue with them. It’s like trying to pet a rattlesnake and thinking eventually I’ll have a good outcome. Isn’t gonna happen. What I won’t do is be quiet about my position.
Islam should be outlawed in our country. Even if we have to amend the first amendment to do it. 95% of Muslims are born enemies of our country. They don’t change over time. In fact some grow worse as they attempt to reclaim their heritage after being “Americanized’”. Those who are adherents to Islam need to be deported or rounded up and confined. This is a much kinder approach than they would use with us were they the majority. Sadly too many muddle headed thinkers exist both here and in Europe to properly deal with the problem. Maybe after enough people have their daughters raped, and citizens murdered by bombs, trucks, and acid attacks, by Muslims, thinking will change. I have a feeling it’s gonna get FAR worse before it gets better- if it gets better at all.
Your well informed, much more than the average American.
I'm glad most Americans don't want to toss the first amendment in the trash bin. If we did it would be a good start toward turning the U.S. into England. Spitting on our ancestors that gave us these freedoms.
Cutting Islam out as a protected class covered by the 1st amendment will not destroy the constitution, rather it will preserve it. If you’re so bent on taking us down the road Europe has traveled, why wait. Move there. I’m sure you can still trap mice in Germany.
Danny, how do you propose to get rid of a plague that want to kill you, or convert you. Only choice they give you. They should never have been allowed in this country in the first place, but the last potus was a muzzie himself. Our immigration laws are a joke, and they are taking advantage of it...so, how do you say to deal with it?
Why is that, Danny? If you saw something that looks like skin cancer would you take care of it early? Your solution sounds like you’d wait until you’re terminally ill. I would rather amend the constitution than be lying in a mass grave with my pocket constitution proudly tucked in my coat. Since the constitution is already shredded let’s err in OUR favor for once.
These people want you and all you love dead. Why give them any leg up at all. You say I’m as scary as a fundamentalist Muslim because I want my country to be safe? Really? Let’s think this through. If you and I were having this conversation face to face, what is the very worst thing that would happen? We get in a fight? Someone gets punched in the eye? That’s not the same thing as someone slashing your throat or throwing acid in your face? Do you really think I have any wishes for your family other than the very best? That’s all I want for them AND you. Muslims, well they can rot.
They're arresting people in Britain for anti-muslim social media posts / memes, and banning conservative speakers,thank god we have a Constitution for now.
Pretty much they reintroduced the greek classics, stirred interested in the sciences, introduced the zero (zed for you canucks) and decimal system, Algebra and many other contributions. Literacy was almost universal in the Arab world at the time while most of Europe was illiterate and the powers that be at the time wanted to keep the masses in the dark.
And that’s as far as they ever got . I’ve been to enough Arab countries to know they’re cesspools . In all respects .
Pretty much they reintroduced the greek classics, stirred interested in the sciences, introduced the zero (zed for you canucks) and decimal system, Algebra and many other contributions. Literacy was almost universal in the Arab world at the time while most of Europe was illiterate and the powers that be at the time wanted to keep the masses in the dark.
And that’s as far as they ever got . I’ve been to enough Arab countries to know they’re cesspools . In all respects .
Exactly.
Tweed, would you care to explain why, in your opinion, these advanced, intelligent, cultured people live, for the most part, in third-world cesspools? Why do they cling to ancient ideologies like their views on gays and women that are abhorrent to most of today's "enlightened" liberal thinkers.
Maybe, as a culture, they are not as advanced as you'd like to think?
Tweed is correct in that around a 1000 years ago the Muslim countries were fairly advanced compared to much of the rest of the World. Their religion, customs and governments prevented them from progressing further and continues to hold back Muslim people in most Muslim countries.
And that’s as far as they ever got . I’ve been to enough Arab countries to know they’re cesspools . In all respects .
Exactly.
Tweed, would you care to explain why, in your opinion, these advanced, intelligent, cultured people live, for the most part, in third-world cesspools? Why do they cling to ancient ideologies like their views on gays and women that are abhorrent to most of today's "enlightened" liberal thinkers.
Maybe, as a culture, they are not as advanced as you'd like to think? [/quote]
And that is why I posed the question earlier asking why liberals are so in love with muslims. They hate everything that libs hold dear, but want us to be over run by them.....it don't make sense!
I know a person who moved here 20 years ago from Manchester. He stopped going back to visit because of what he calls the Muslim Invasion. He said it's scary to see the changes. In interviews with Muslims over there, over 80% said they would prefer Sharia Law over England's law according to him.
Sharia Law: Muslims are permitted to lie to non-Muslims also known as infidels. Women's rights are diminished. Polygamy. Men are allowed up to 4 wives. Pedophilia. Muslim men can marry girls as young as 14. However, Muhammad took a wife named Ayesha that was 9 years old. Muslim husbands allowed to beat their wives as a form of discipline. Severe retribution including amputating limbs and gouging out eyes for crimes such as theft. Allows for the killing of adulterers and homosexuals. Imprisonment and/or execution for blasphemers and non-believers. A woman alleging rape, must have 3 male witnesses.
Since James seems so sympathetic to the Muslim cause, you must condone Sharia Law. You can't have it both ways.
Tweed is correct in that around a 1000 years ago the Muslim countries were fairly advanced compared to much of the rest of the World. Their religion, customs and governments prevented them from progressing further and continues to hold back Muslim people in most Muslim countries.
Islam is the religion of stagnation, not peace.
Keith
I don't necessarily disagree with this. I will say that the Muslims I deal with here in the US are very westernized and well educated. They're religious people but so am I, so I can understand their views on most things.
Tweed, would you care to explain why, in your opinion, these advanced, intelligent, cultured people live, for the most part, in third-world cesspools? Why do they cling to ancient ideologies like their views on gays and women that are abhorrent to most of today's "enlightened" liberal thinkers.
Maybe, as a culture, they are not as advanced as you'd like to think?
Governments are crap. Their ideologies are no more archaic than those of Christians (which liberals seem to not like either).
The US has two very distinct types of Muslim immigrants.
First there are the well educated, hard working, Muslims, who left there countries for more freedom and better economic opportunities. They paid their own way here. Many are doctors, scientists and engineers. The ones in this group are mostly agnostic or not very strong believers. They will probably fully assimilate into American culture.
The second type of Muslim immigrants, were brought over by the US government and groups like Catholic and Lutherans Social Services. They are the unwanted people from many of the worst countries on Earth. They are often uneducated, often fanatically religious and of a vastly different mindset than most Americans. They experienced barbaric acts and when pushed, or even on a whim, commit barbaric acts. We should not allow any more of these people into the US.
In the last 100 years how many Christian countries have the Muslims had an occupying military force in. Now same question only switch the two. They were fine being camel jockies until non-Muslim countries wanted their resources and to spread their ideology.
You harvest what you sow.
We need to stop allowing immigration for any reason without vetting and the applicant needs to cover the cost. No political asylum for anyone.
Big business/farmers brought in third world people to pick their cotton. Now generations later we are paying ten fold. We have decay in our once great cites, and no go zones in most of our inner cites. So dangerous that it would make Britton look like Disneyland.
Add in another 11 million illegals from our southern boarder with the excuse that we need people to PICK our vegetables... and then Obama government paying churches to fly in plane loads from SH countries every day....do you see a pattern here. and what we are leaving our children for a future.
Governments are crap. Their ideologies are no more archaic than those of Christians (which liberals seem to not like either).
I think you are right that their ideologies are not archaic. With as many billions of Muslims that currently hold these beliefs, those beliefs by definition must be current and modern. To think that one's own values and ideologies are somehow more advanced, enlightened, informed, or evolved than the values and ideologies of Islam is highly arrogant.
That said, the ideologies of Islam are pure evil.
Moreover, Christianity doesn't expect non-Christians to act like Christians or intend to impose its moral code on non-believers - at least not to a great extent. Western civilization, which has been most largely influenced by a Christian worldview, has produced governments and cultures that value the freedom of individual to do, believe and worship as they please. At the highest levels, Western/Christian laws hold individuals accountable for the way they treat other people, not how they relate to God. Women have reached their highest levels of dignity and equality under a Christian society.
I'm not saying our traditional, western, Judeo-Christian worldview is perfect in the way it has effect western culture. But it's a darn sight better than Islam. The contrast is vivid and striking.
In the last 100 years how many Christian countries have the Muslims had an occupying military force in. Now same question only switch the two. They were fine being camel jockies until non-Muslim countries wanted their resources and to spread their ideology.
You harvest what you sow.
We need to stop allowing immigration for any reason without vetting and the applicant needs to cover the cost. No political asylum for anyone.
What do you mean by a "Christian country"? Name one, please and explain the criteria for qualifying as a "Christian country". There's sizable numbers of Christians in Egypt, Iraq, Tibet, Turkey, Pakistan, China... Those countries have not had an occupying army from a western country in the past 100 years. Yet look at how Christians are treated in those countries. Then compare how Muslims are treated in Western countries shaped by Christian ideology
What Muslim countries have had an occupying military force in them? Seems like we got out of Afghanistan and Iraq and tried to turn those countries over to their own self-governance ASAP. I think the British bailed out of the middle east during or shortly after WWI. And then look at what happened after the Arab Revolt follow the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.
To blame the problems in the middle east on the West buying their oil and trying to convert them to Christianity or other western ideology seems patently ridiculous to me.
The muzzies are taking over without using military force....lots of moron countries are bringing them in by the tens of thousands and financing them to stay there.
At 8:10, a feminist passed by and asked me why I didn't make a snow woman.
At 8:15, I made a snow woman.
At 8:17, the nanny of the neighborhood complained about the snow woman's voluptuous behest.
At 8:20, the gay couple living nearby grumbled that it could of been two snowmen instead.
At 8:25, the vegans at No. 12 complained about the carrot nose, since veggies are food and not to decorate figures.
At 8:28, I am being called a racist because the snow couple are white.
At 8:31, the Muslim gent across the road wants the snow woman to wear a headscarf.
At 8:40, someone calls the cops, who show up to see what's going on.
At 8:42, I'm told the broomstick of the snowman needs to be removed because it could be used as a deadly weapon. Things get worse after I mutter, “Yeah, if it's up your rear end.”
At 8:52, my phone is seized and throughly checked while I am being blindfolded and flown to the police station in a helicopter.
At 9:00, I'm on the news as a suspected terrorist bent on stirring trouble during this difficult weather.
At 9:10, I am asked if I have any accomplices.
At 9:29, a little-known jihadist group has claimed it was their plot.
I noticed that those pro and con concerning Muslims have not mentioned any real contact with them. One of my most memorable contacts took place in a major metropolitan area, where my fiance and I at the time were moving out of. There was not any real source for mutton in the markets, and our former store closed, so we stopped into an Iraqi Halal butcher shop. I had on my United State military jacket as it was cold and what we entered into was a Mideast gathering where people were gathered there not to purchase anything, but to gather. If looks could kill, I would have been dead 20 times over as the room went silent. Remember these were people who were saved from Saddam by Americans, had been let into America by George HW Bush, and there was zero appreciation or affinity. The 20 something boy who was running the cash register did a good cover of a smiling banter, but the hatred in that store was immense. Islam is a closed community. It has zero interest in becoming assimilated and it's entire experience is rule by brute force. It is why these Muslim groups gravitate as Somali's to Minneapolis or to the Islamic enclaves across Europe. All of this immigration is funded by Muslim oil funding or is joined with the Bush families federal funding of groups like Lutheran Social Services as it is part of this quid pro quo which originated when the Americans signed contracts with the House of Saud for that cheap oil. What is lost on all in this discussion is Islam is two religions in Shia and Sunni and they hate each other. It is in their interests to place large numbers of their sects into western nations in the Sunni, to influence support for the Sunni, as Iran which is Shia, has benefactors in Russia and China. It should be evident in the friction which is being generated by these two groups and who is pitted against each other then are the Americans with the Russians and Chicoms. None of this is being helped by the latest Theresa May fake news about Russia attacking a traitor in England which moves the United States closer to conflict again in another war which no one wants, as was the case in both world wars. There are many forces and groups manipulating the United States for their agendas. Everyone can praise the Constitution or defend a religious group, but the majority of these groups have an agenda to get the American people fighting for their cause. That is the reality which is the prime focus as America has been fighting wars not in her interest and those groups which are being imported are not interested in following George Washington's mandate of [i][/i]no foreign entanglements.
I was at a meeting tonight where one of the speakers was well educated on the Muslims and sharia law. What I got out of it is the Muslims are generally well organized and definitely have a plan. The koran lays a lot of it out. Europe is a prime example. Their main objective is to dominate and take over countries. They could not care less about our constitution. They first come in peacefully, but as soon as they can get away with it, they turn violent. And we are paying for them to come here and local governments have little say about it. Anybody who thinks they will be peaceful here is a fool. Just wait until they have power. It's happened everywhere they have gone.
I knew it! You ARE Russian! So you actually believe the Muslims want to come here and just coexist peacefully with Christians, or any other non-Muslim American for that matter? Wow. Just wow.
The US has two very distinct types of Muslim immigrants.
First there are the well educated, hard working, Muslims, who left there countries for more freedom and better economic opportunities. They paid their own way here. Many are doctors, scientists and engineers. The ones in this group are mostly agnostic or not very strong believers. They will probably fully assimilate into American culture.
The second type of Muslim immigrants, were brought over by the US government and groups like Catholic and Lutherans Social Services. They are the unwanted people from many of the worst countries on Earth. They are often uneducated, often fanatically religious and of a vastly different mindset than most Americans. They experienced barbaric acts and when pushed, or even on a whim, commit barbaric acts. We should not allow any more of these people into the US.
Keith
Keith, you are right in everything you've said. I might add that Catholic Charities and Lutheran Social Services didn't just bring them over here out of the goodness of their hearts. They were well paid by the federal government; the more they brought over here, the more they were paid.
These Muslims came over here because of the deplorable conditions and persecution they had to endure in their own countries. Now, that they are over here, instead of assimilating and becoming Americans, many of them want to change America by instilling their own ideologies and make it more like the country they came from.
Tweed is correct in that around a 1000 years ago the Muslim countries were fairly advanced compared to much of the rest of the World. Their religion, customs and governments prevented them from progressing further and continues to hold back Muslim people in most Muslim countries.
In the last 100 years how many Christian countries have the Muslims had an occupying military force in. Now same question only switch the two. They were fine being camel jockies until non-Muslim countries wanted their resources and to spread their ideology.
You harvest what you sow.
We need to stop allowing immigration for any reason without vetting and the applicant needs to cover the cost. No political asylum for anyone.
What do you mean by a "Christian country"? Name one, please and explain the criteria for qualifying as a "Christian country". There's sizable numbers of Christians in Egypt, Iraq, Tibet, Turkey, Pakistan, China... Those countries have not had an occupying army from a western country in the past 100 years. Yet look at how Christians are treated in those countries. Then compare how Muslims are treated in Western countries shaped by Christian ideology
What Muslim countries have had an occupying military force in them? Seems like we got out of Afghanistan and Iraq and tried to turn those countries over to their own self-governance ASAP. I think the British bailed out of the middle east during or shortly after WWI. And then look at what happened after the Arab Revolt follow the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.
To blame the problems in the middle east on the West buying their oil and trying to convert them to Christianity or other western ideology seems patently ridiculous to me.
Good post, Kart.
Bill Maher who hates Christians admitted on his show one night when comparing Christians to Muslims, that the one big difference is Christians won't kill you if you don't convert to their religion. Muslims aren't beheaded in this country because of their religion, but Christians are beheaded in the middle east because they aren't Muslim.
Muslims came to this country to escape deplorable conditions and persecution in their own countries. Now that they are here, instead of assimilating and becoming Americans, they want to impose their own ideologies in America so they can change America to be more like the country they just came from!
Muslims came to this country to escape deplorable conditions and persecution in their own countries. Now that they are here, instead of assimilating and becoming Americans, they want to impose their own ideologies in America so they can change America to be more like the country they just came from!
Much like American progressives that move to another state......must be why they like muzzies so much, lots in common.
I don’t know where you’re getting your data, or including former satellite countries but Russia is only about 6% Muslim- which is 6% too much.
There's a law in Russia now that prohibits anybody from spreading religion. My pastor just got back from there, he got in trouble for preaching the gospel. The church that asked him to come didn't have the right paper work filled out for him. It's all straightened out now for my pastor, all charges and fines were dropped, but the reason the law was implemented was to keep the spread of the Muslim religion from spreading in Russia.
I know a missionary in Greece who is surrounded by immigrants from Syria, Iraq, and other Mulsim majority countries. He says those expatriates are Muslim in name and heritage only and aren't very religious at all. He says they these immigrants that have left their home country are generally pretty fed up with all things Islam and the problems associated with it. He says they are searching for and eager to adopt a new culture and way of life. He says they are very open to new ideas and trying hard to assimilate into the Western ideals.
Of course, that's a generality. I'm sure there is likely more than a few Islamic zealots mixed in there as well. And there is plenty of evidence of the problems these mild-mannered Muslim immigrants are causing in France, Belgium, and Germany.
The point is... you can't assume all Muslims are the same. They are not. There's nothing to fear from the majority of them.
Still, taken on the whole, I dont' see any good reason for importing more of them into the U.S. Perhaps the whole world would be better off if the more reasonable people that immigrated out of these Middle Eastern nations would go back and rescue their home countries from the Islamic freaks that are stinking them all up.
I don’t know where you’re getting your data, or including former satellite countries but Russia is only about 6% Muslim- which is 6% too much.
You're right, I was mistaken. I looked too quickly at the stats. Still...Russia probably has the most significant Muslim population for a "Euro-ish" country.
I know a missionary in Greece who is surrounded by immigrants from Syria, Iraq, and other Mulsim majority countries. He says those expatriates are Muslim in name and heritage only and aren't very religious at all. He says they these immigrants that have left their home country are generally pretty fed up with all things Islam and the problems associated with it. He says they are searching for and eager to adopt a new culture and way of life. He says they are very open to new ideas and trying hard to assimilate into the Western ideals.
I've found the same to be true here locally with our Iraq population. Their children try to pass as hispanic because they don't want to be grouped with the terrorists.
Russia has been exporting their Muslim population to the US. Most of the Turkish people in my area, were born in Russia. They were not allowed to become Russian citizens, even though their parents and in some cases grandparents were born in Russia too.
The couple dozen Muslim Turks I have met, who came from Russia, mostly fit in well. I think if their population stays small, in a generation or two, they won't seem different from any other Americans. They work hard and are not very religious. One of them told me that everyone in the World would move to the US if they could. He told me that if you wanted to work here and get rich, you could. He said that in Russia it was very hard to get permission to work and he could only work certain jobs.
I can not say the same about the Somalis I have met.
If someone pulled the fangs on ninety rattle snakes and left ten with their fangs in tact, then dumped all 100 in a tub, shook them all up and blindfolded you then told you to use your hands and take five of the snakes out of the tub. WOULD YOU DO IT? I am not comparing Muslims to snakes, I'm only saying you don't know what you are dealing with until you find out one way or the other. According to the exiled Muslim people that have spoken out about the violence condoned in the Quran under penalty of death for heresy, have been of the opinion that a good Muslim and a peaceful Muslim are mutually exclusive. Have we forgotten already the MUSLIM teenage girl that was SHOT IN THE FACE BECAUSE SHE WAS GOING TO SCHOOL?
When Moscow's Muslims gathered at the city's main mosque Wednesday to mark Eid el-Fitr, the end of the holy month of Ramadan, tens of thousands of worshippers were forced to take their prayer mats into the street. Lines of police officers stood amid the worshippers, who also had to pass through a security check before they could pray.
As a symbol it is a powerful illustration of two things: firstly, the growing strength of Moscow's Muslim community; but secondly, the official insecurity and to some extent, hostility toward it.
Islam has always been the second biggest religion in Russia, but it had never been as visible in Moscow as it is now. Moscow has the largest Muslim population in Europe, with estimates suggesting that between 1.5 and 2 million of the Russian capital's population are of the faith. Despite this, Moscow has only six Mosques, hence the necessity for worshippers to congregate in the street.
Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin, a frequent critic of Muslim immigrants, said in the past that the "excessive" number of Muslim newcomers to Moscow was "harmful" and that no new building permits for mosques would be granted.
I have heard of Chechnya. That’s my point exactly. A Muslim enclave in Russia. Barely a million people there and they went for it. They got squashed like bugs. Imagine 20 times that amount. Not only would they try, they’d likely do ok. One in five people in Russia being Muslim just isn’t the case.
Ok funny guy . Whatever happens, I just hope to God we don’t end up like Europe. If we do, I really hope enough Americans have the stones to actually fight it. I wish that would happen now with the Somalians in MN. They need gone.
Ok funny guy . Whatever happens, I just hope to God we don’t end up like Europe. If we do, I really hope enough Americans have the stones to actually fight it. I wish that would happen now with the Somalians in MN. They need gone.
I was not joking...maybe 20 is high, I will give you that one. But I think 6 is low.
Americans have been being programed to no fight.....for a while now. Obama even castrated the military. Islam is a tide and they say worldwide domination thru numbers by 2070.
Americans look at things in a time frame of minutes for gratification but the islamists look at in in a timeframe of generations.
American Pastor Brunson has been recently charged with Christianization in Turkey. The indictment claims the Pastor has been living out his Christian faith through humanitarian aid, education, and training making him guilty of terrorism. If convicted, he faces 35 years in a Turkish prison, essentially a life sentence for the 50 year old pastor.
Pastor Andrew served the people of Turkey as a Christian pastor for 23 years without issue.
Can anybody recall a time a Muslim was put in prison or killed in America for their faith? Muslims are treated far differently in this country than Christians are treated in the middle east. Just another example of Sharia Law and its intolerance toward any other faith. And, it's coming to America, don't be fooled by those who minimize it.
"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, be to be dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America and Islam the only accepted religion on earth." Omar Ahmand, co-founder of CAIR. Can you imagine what would happen to a Christian if they made that boast? The main stream media would be all over them. But, the MSM chooses to conveniently disregard Ahmand's statement. You only get half the news from them; the half that fits their twisted agenda.
My take from this thread, is that no one here, including James and the other liberals, thinks we should take in the lowest class of Muslim immigrants. It is rare that so many of us agree this much. How do we motivate the United States government to make this so?
Muslims are treated far differently in this country than Christians are treated in the middle east.
So what?
Should we do on to others as others do on to usordo on to others as we would have others do on to us?
Pretty much....who's standards to you prefer- theirs or ours?
I'm just speaking out to those who keep maintaining that Christians are just as bad as Muslims. I prefer our standards to theirs, obviously. But, it's coming here like it has in England. Some are too dumb to see it.
Muslims are treated far differently in this country than Christians are treated in the middle east.
So what?
Should we do on to others as others do on to usordo on to others as we would have others do on to us?
Pretty much....who's standards to you prefer- theirs or ours?
"Turn the other cheek" doesn't really apply when one side is beheading, hanging, burning alive and coming up with many other uniquely horrific methods of torturing and killing simply because the other side belongs to the other side.
People with the attitude we should turn the other cheek, haven't taken the time to understand how these people think.
We need to understand that not all Muslims are like this. We are only talking about the ones who have no intention of assimilating and becoming Americans. But, instead want to change America.
My take from this thread, is that no one here, including James and the other liberals, thinks we should take in the lowest class of Muslim immigrants. It is rare that so many of us agree this much. How do we motivate the United States government to make this so?
Keith
They are motivated to Bri g them over for control. They want votes.
Follow the money and you will have your answer on why they won't listen to us
A Marine and Iraq veteran probably answered best when I asked him about the people of Iraq and what the country was like. His observations are from being there. He said that the Iraqis more or less hated the Americans who had delivered them from Saddam, if you left a US base you were armed and didn't go alone. When I asked about so-called moderate muslims he put it this way: A radical muslim wants to chop your head off; a moderate muslim wants a radical muslim to chop your head off.
So you actually believe the Muslims want to come here and just coexist peacefully with Christians, or any other non-Muslim American for that matter? Wow. Just wow.
. Whatever happens, I just hope to God we don’t end up like Europe. If we do, I really hope enough Americans have the stones to actually fight it. I wish that would happen now with the Somalians in MN. They need gone.