Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/07/1811:02 AM
Let’s see if i understand the logic everyone is talking about. The city council, fearing what appear to be assault rifles, pass an ordinance that requires members of their community to get rid of or turn in their assault weapons. By law, the deliberations on such ordinance is in the public domain meaning you could have gone to the publicly held meetings and gave your opinion but most did not. Now you’re complaining your city council, whom you elected to represent the city of Deerfield, has somehow developed an ordinance that doesn’t serve the greater good.
Playing devil’s advocate here, if you didn’t go to the public meetings, contact your councilman with your opinions or get involved in any opposition to this ordinance, what are you complaining about now?
Until the law/ordinance is proven unconstitutional or voted down, it is the law of Deerfield. To not turn in/sell to a buddy you're now declared illegal gun makes you a Lone Ranger, which is just what the law hopes to stop by getting rid of the guns in the first place. America doesn’t need lone rangers anymore. Those days are gone. And personally, I don’t think America needs civilians to have high capacity magazines, bump stocks, silencers, cop-killer ammunition or armor piercing bullets in this day in age. I’ve never seen a duck, deer, squirrel, rabbit, coyote, pheasant or any other game animal harvest that needed any of these things. Nor do I see the need for this level of fire power to keep intruders out of my house. I’m not against gun ownership at all. I have a couple pistols I use for trapping. What I’ve never understood is the mindset that throws up the second amendment and doesn’t recognize that this country is protected by an army, navy, Air Force, marines, hundreds of thousands of police officers, FBI, NSA, CIA, state and local equivalents of the Justice departments and so on. More assault (type) rifles in untrained hands doesn’t make ME feel any safer.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/07/1811:11 AM
Originally Posted By: Teacher
Let’s see if i understand the logic everyone is talking about. The city council, fearing what appear to be assault rifles, pass an ordinance that requires members of their community to get rid of or turn in their assault weapons. By law, the deliberations on such ordinance is in the public domain meaning you could have gone to the publicly held meetings and gave your opinion but most did not. Now you’re complaining your city council, whom you elected to represent the city of Deerfield, has somehow developed an ordinance that doesn’t serve the greater good.
Playing devil’s advocate here, if you didn’t go to the public meetings, contact your councilman with your opinions or get involved in any opposition to this ordinance, what are you complaining about now?
Until the law/ordinance is proven unconstitutional or voted down, it is the law of Deerfield. To not turn in/sell to a buddy your now declared illegal gun makes you a Lone Ranger, which is just what the law hopes to stop by getting rid of the guns in the first place. America doesn’t need lone rangers anymore. Those days are gone. And personally, I don’t think America needs civilians to have high capacity magazines, bump stocks, silencers, cop-killer ammunition or armor piercing bullets in this day in age. I’ve never seen a duck, deer, squirrel, rabbit, coyote, pheasant or any other game animal harvest that needed any of these things. Nor do I see the need for this level of fire power to keep intruders out of my house.
since we are talking about what we think others may or may not need, I think we do not need people with your opinion....if you do not like the Constitution maybe move to somewhere else?
Since you think its OK for Deerfield residents to have to move if they want 'assault' weapons I am sure that you can understand the logic of my statement and the fact that I am publicly voicing my opinion on the matter.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/07/1812:01 PM
Teacher we don't live in a democracy. While the majority of Deerfield may indeed want everybody unarmed they can not vote away rights. I'm sure somewhere in America is a whole county that would vote away the right of white people to vote. You think the white people in that county should just accept that???????????????
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/07/1812:44 PM
Teacher: When is the last time you went to a school board meeting, Township meeting, Library board meeting, road comm. meeting, county board meeting? This list can go on and on! WE need our weapons more than ever in this day and age. There were not the gangs, drug and dead beats we have today. In most police arrive after the fact. I feel our police have a thankless job and do a great job! We all need to support them as much as possible! The person in the black robe will work this out, and who has to pay for it, the residents of the city. Lets start thing of the majority of the citizen in this country. That go to work every day, pay taxes and obey the laws and take care of there of family's. JMO
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/07/1812:49 PM
Originally Posted By: Teacher
Let’s see if i understand the logic everyone is talking about. The city council, fearing what appear to be assault rifles, pass an ordinance that requires members of their community to get rid of or turn in their assault weapons. By law, the deliberations on such ordinance is in the public domain meaning you could have gone to the publicly held meetings and gave your opinion but most did not. Now you’re complaining your city council, whom you elected to represent the city of Deerfield, has somehow developed an ordinance that doesn’t serve the greater good.
Playing devil’s advocate here, if you didn’t go to the public meetings, contact your councilman with your opinions or get involved in any opposition to this ordinance, what are you complaining about now?
Until the law/ordinance is proven unconstitutional or voted down, it is the law of Deerfield. To not turn in/sell to a buddy you're now declared illegal gun makes you a Lone Ranger, which is just what the law hopes to stop by getting rid of the guns in the first place. America doesn’t need lone rangers anymore. Those days are gone. And personally, I don’t think America needs civilians to have high capacity magazines, bump stocks, silencers, cop-killer ammunition or armor piercing bullets in this day in age. I’ve never seen a duck, deer, squirrel, rabbit, coyote, pheasant or any other game animal harvest that needed any of these things. Nor do I see the need for this level of fire power to keep intruders out of my house. I’m not against gun ownership at all. I have a couple pistols I use for trapping. What I’ve never understood is the mindset that throws up the second amendment and doesn’t recognize that this country is protected by an army, navy, Air Force, marines, hundreds of thousands of police officers, FBI, NSA, CIA, state and local equivalents of the Justice departments and so on. More assault (type) rifles in untrained hands doesn’t make ME feel any safer.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/07/1812:50 PM
Read section 15-89 of that new law. The penalty can go as high as $1,000 PER DAY , with each day's violation constituting a separate and equal offence under the law. $1,000 per day x 365 days = $365,000 .
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/07/1801:20 PM
As a teacher I am embarrassed for you having the handle teacher. I question if your really were! "Teacher" what did you teach? If you say any social science course I understand why so many are upset with my profession. The founding fathers placed the right to keep and bear arms in place to defend against a tyrannical government such as King George III. The military, police, FBI, etc. are amazing people. But whose side will they be on when the leadership of this country decides they are "King". I teach my students to think for themselves and present all information on both sides. I intentionally present anti-gun rhetoric to my pro-gun community so they are prepared for people like you. But your opinion to me is a total disrespect for me and those of us undefended. As a Teacher, Coach, and Athletic Director, Live in group home director with 8 juvenile delinquents for 10 yrs., I have had my and my families life threatened plenty of times. Law enforcement encouraged us to be prepared to defend ourselves. Most of these warnings came in the past 25 (10 years the most serious) years as a teacher etc. Yet in schools my students and I are soft targets. I have training, license and conceal carry, as does my wife and my children, who have their own families but still have threats against them over their heads because of my jobs, which were and are to help others. There are many cognitively challenged people in this world. I want and need myself, my family, and students now and in the future to have these rights, and should be entitled to any means necessary to defend all of us. Including people like you who are so near sighted you cannot see outside your little world. Police can take 20 minutes to get to our school and my home. I'll take any odds I can to increase defending all of us. Yes, I am a teacher, and I am proud of it.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/07/1801:32 PM
Originally Posted By: Teacher
Let’s see if i understand the logic everyone is talking about. The city council, fearing what appear to be assault rifles, pass an ordinance that requires members of their community to get rid of or turn in their assault weapons. By law, the deliberations on such ordinance is in the public domain meaning you could have gone to the publicly held meetings and gave your opinion but most did not. Now you’re complaining your city council, whom you elected to represent the city of Deerfield, has somehow developed an ordinance that doesn’t serve the greater good.
Playing devil’s advocate here, if you didn’t go to the public meetings, contact your councilman with your opinions or get involved in any opposition to this ordinance, what are you complaining about now?
Until the law/ordinance is proven unconstitutional or voted down, it is the law of Deerfield. To not turn in/sell to a buddy you're now declared illegal gun makes you a Lone Ranger, which is just what the law hopes to stop by getting rid of the guns in the first place. America doesn’t need lone rangers anymore. Those days are gone. And personally, I don’t think America needs civilians to have high capacity magazines, bump stocks, silencers, cop-killer ammunition or armor piercing bullets in this day in age. I’ve never seen a duck, deer, squirrel, rabbit, coyote, pheasant or any other game animal harvest that needed any of these things. Nor do I see the need for this level of fire power to keep intruders out of my house. I’m not against gun ownership at all. I have a couple pistols I use for trapping. What I’ve never understood is the mindset that throws up the second amendment and doesn’t recognize that this country is protected by an army, navy, Air Force, marines, hundreds of thousands of police officers, FBI, NSA, CIA, state and local equivalents of the Justice departments and so on. More assault (type) rifles in untrained hands doesn’t make ME feel any safer.
They tried this sort of thing before in a Chicago suburb and lost the court case.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/07/1801:35 PM
Teacher,I typed out a long reply to your post but deleted it. I think you should not post anything on guns again. If you're going to infringe on my second amendment rights, I'm going to infringe on your first.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/07/1802:09 PM
From what I’ve read and heard about this ordinance, it’s not about pistols, shot guns or 30-06 deer rifles. It’s about assault type rifles. Your right to defend your castle is not being infringed upon, its to limit what guns you use to defend it.
Danny, I don’t recall the Deerfield ordinance had anything to do with voting rights. The second amendment isn’t being infringed upon either. You can still own firearms in Springfield but assault (type) weapons are no longer acceptable.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/07/1802:13 PM
Originally Posted By: Teacher
From what I’ve read and heard about this ordinance, it’s not about pistols, shot guns or 30-06 deer rifles. It’s about assault type rifles. Your right to defend your castle is not being infringed upon, its to limit what guns you use to defend it.
Danny, I don’t recall the Deerfield ordinance had anything to do with voting rights. The second amendment isn’t being infringed upon either. You can still own firearms in Springfield but assault (type) weapons are no longer acceptable.
Define assault rifle?
As my rifles have never assaulted anyone.
You have no clue what the 2nd amendment stands for.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/07/1802:13 PM
Teacher, flat out lies are never going to influence very many people. Neither is pretending ignorance. Why not post under your name if you really don't think your trying to take my rights from me? Granted Nancy Pelosi has armed guards protecting her but at least she doesn't hide from people.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/07/1802:16 PM
Originally Posted By: Teacher
From what I’ve read and heard about this ordinance, it’s not about pistols, shot guns or 30-06 deer rifles. It’s about assault type rifles. Your right to defend your castle is not being infringed upon, its to limit what guns you use to defend it.
Danny, I don’t recall the Deerfield ordinance had anything to do with voting rights. The second amendment isn’t being infringed upon either. You can still own firearms in Springfield but assault (type) weapons are no longer acceptable.
Would it be considered infringing on our first amendment rights if the government said you can still say stuff about the government you just can't say bad things about the government.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/07/1802:34 PM
Originally Posted By: Teacher
From what I’ve read and heard about this ordinance, it’s not about pistols, shot guns or 30-06 deer rifles. It’s about assault type rifles. Your right to defend your castle is not being infringed upon, its to limit what guns you use to defend it.
Danny, I don’t recall the Deerfield ordinance had anything to do with voting rights. The second amendment isn’t being infringed upon either. You can still own firearms in Springfield but assault (type) weapons are no longer acceptable.
So let me get this straight. You actually think these people will be happy taking your scary black rifle, but will allow you to keep shotguns and deer rifles. You honestly don't think they will come for those next? Are you going to happily give up your trapping pistols then? I truly want to know.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/07/1802:37 PM
If they are considering the AR-15 as an assault weapon you have to be kidding, They are not the same weapon that our Arm Forces use! We all know full automatic weapons have been out lawed or banned years ago.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/07/1802:38 PM
teacher you have no idea whom your preaching your fantasy world to . prime example there are a majority of people on this site whom are prior military . if people like you , whom apparently have been drinking poisoned water ,think we are under trained and unsworn your in for a very rude awakening . lucky them I don't live in Deerfield !
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/07/1802:40 PM
Automatic weapons need to be easily and readily available to all, without government interferance or artifical price setting schemes making it only for the rich. The NFA gentrification of automatic weapons and destructive devices is a slap in the face to freedom. Furthermore, I call on all people who love freedom to stop using 'automatic weapons are already illegal' arguments in any form. Instead, use the opportunity to call for the repeal of the NFA by using the words of the 2nd Amendmemt and by teaching what the purpose of the 2nd Amendment was and IS. Carry on.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/07/1802:40 PM
Teacher, the second is not about deer hunting, or rabbits or squirles. It is about people. Specifically people enamored with power, that would gladly enslave their fellow human beings given half a chance. And lacking that half given they will lie, propagandize, and steal votes to get the control they so desperately crave.
Forum rules state no antis. You want to begin and increase the erosion of the second amendment. I believe that is about as anti as it gets.
Based upon your other posts re; the second amendment I don't believe this is a one of, but an ongoing belief in big government being benign and taking care of you cradle to grave. I would urge you to get with one of your colleges that teach HISTORY.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/07/1802:41 PM
Time to change that Getting There. I've had a belly full of people that think the world be safer if they just pass a few more laws. I am not going to be polite anymore to those who want to take my liberty.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/07/1803:23 PM
Originally Posted By: corky
Sure glad I didn't have Teachers like you.
But it's teachers like this that are influencing our kids these days. The reason for the second amendment was so people could protect themselves from the GOVERNMENT. The libs don't accept this though, because they think the government is the answer to everything, so they choose to interpret the constitution differently than what the writers intended. Restricting THE PEOPLE to inferior arms is plainly unconstitutional.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/07/1803:31 PM
Flynn is correct, full autos should be able to be purchased over the counter as well as suppressors and anything else I want. Once legal for everyone the price will take care of itself. If these illegal laws keep being enacted the people doing so might find themselves on the wrong end of the very weapon they are trying to ban.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/07/1803:38 PM
Originally Posted By: danny clifton
Time to change that Getting There. I've had a belly full of people that think the world be safer if they just pass a few more laws. I am not going to be polite anymore to those who want to take my liberty.
Danny: I have no problem with that! It is much harder to repeal a law than to prevent it!
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/07/1803:53 PM
Originally Posted By: Rat Masterson
Flynn is correct, full autos should be able to be purchased over the counter as well as suppressors and anything else I want. Once legal for everyone the price will take care of itself. If these illegal laws keep being enacted the people doing so might find themselves on the wrong end of the very weapon they are trying to ban.
Ya gol' darn tootin. I'm sick of whiny liberals and trying to excite Republicans to go for anything more than a slight discontinuation of existing B.S. laws. Vote for change, dramatic change.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/07/1804:01 PM
After reading what teacher wrote..my head is still spinning with all the things that are so wrong with his beliefs. I could go on and on beating a dead horse but instead will only say this.
Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
The government does not fear the people these days. Not at all. Not even local governments.
If you wanna lower crime, the only way is for the would be victims to arm themselves. If you rely on anyone but yourself for protection you are either a child or an idiot.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/07/1805:09 PM
Originally Posted By: Teacher
Let’s see if i understand the logic everyone is talking about. The city council, fearing what appear to be assault rifles, pass an ordinance that requires members of their community to get rid of or turn in their assault weapons. By law, the deliberations on such ordinance is in the public domain meaning you could have gone to the publicly held meetings and gave your opinion but most did not. Now you’re complaining your city council, whom you elected to represent the city of Deerfield, has somehow developed an ordinance that doesn’t serve the greater good.
Playing devil’s advocate here, if you didn’t go to the public meetings, contact your councilman with your opinions or get involved in any opposition to this ordinance, what are you complaining about now?
Until the law/ordinance is proven unconstitutional or voted down, it is the law of Deerfield. To not turn in/sell to a buddy you're now declared illegal gun makes you a Lone Ranger, which is just what the law hopes to stop by getting rid of the guns in the first place. America doesn’t need lone rangers anymore. Those days are gone. And personally, I don’t think America needs civilians to have high capacity magazines, bump stocks, silencers, cop-killer ammunition or armor piercing bullets in this day in age. I’ve never seen a duck, deer, squirrel, rabbit, coyote, pheasant or any other game animal harvest that needed any of these things. Nor do I see the need for this level of fire power to keep intruders out of my house. I’m not against gun ownership at all. I have a couple pistols I use for trapping. What I’ve never understood is the mindset that throws up the second amendment and doesn’t recognize that this country is protected by an army, navy, Air Force, marines, hundreds of thousands of police officers, FBI, NSA, CIA, state and local equivalents of the Justice departments and so on. More assault (type) rifles in untrained hands doesn’t make ME feel any safer.
Please tell me what kind of "teacher" are you? Teachers are supposed to look at evidence and then pose logical argumentation. "I think" is not logic! The second amendment was written to take the stupidity of "I think" out of the hands of illogical dictators. I think "teachers" in most places ought to be banned, why do we need people to brain wash our children when we already have the left wing media. If it comes down to "I think" we all may be in trouble! LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/07/1805:45 PM
Originally Posted By: Teacher
From what I’ve read and heard about this ordinance, it’s not about pistols, shot guns or 30-06 deer rifles. It’s about assault type rifles. Your right to defend your castle is not being infringed upon, its to limit what guns you use to defend it.
Danny, I don’t recall the Deerfield ordinance had anything to do with voting rights. The second amendment isn’t being infringed upon either. You can still own firearms in Springfield but assault (type) weapons are no longer acceptable.
Nobody is saying you can't vote... You just have to be white, pass a test, and pay a poll tax to vote.
Nobody is saying you can't have free speech... You just can't speak above a whisper in public.
No one is saying you don't have 5th amendment rights... If you have nothing to hide then answer all the officer's questions.
Any other constitutional rights you care to eviscerate while you're at it?
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/07/1806:13 PM
Originally Posted By: Teacher
From what I’ve read and heard about this ordinance, it’s not about pistols, shot guns or 30-06 deer rifles. It’s about assault type rifles. Your right to defend your castle is not being infringed upon, its to limit what guns you use to defend it.
Danny, I don’t recall the Deerfield ordinance had anything to do with voting rights. The second amendment isn’t being infringed upon either. You can still own firearms in Springfield but assault (type) weapons are no longer acceptable.
Yea right. 90% of homicides are done with handguns so pistols are next and then your 30-06 deer "sniper" rifle.
If you think there is one lick of difference between an AR and any other rifle you're out of your mind.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/07/1807:47 PM
Originally Posted By: Teacher
From what I’ve read and heard about this ordinance, it’s not about pistols, shot guns or 30-06 deer rifles. It’s about assault type rifles. Your right to defend your castle is not being infringed upon, its to limit what guns you use to defend it.
Danny, I don’t recall the Deerfield ordinance had anything to do with voting rights. The second amendment isn’t being infringed upon either. You can still own firearms in Springfield but assault (type) weapons are no longer acceptable.
The US Supreme Court ruled against the Oak Park (Chicago Suburb)handgun ban. The ruling stated that the 2nd amendment extends to and overrides local and state restrictions on gun ownership.
Gun "Ownership"! It doesn't matter whether a ban is placed on handguns or long guns. People have the right to "own".
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/07/1808:08 PM
Originally Posted By: Teacher
From what I’ve read and heard about this ordinance, it’s not about pistols, shot guns or 30-06 deer rifles. It’s about assault type rifles. Your right to defend your castle is not being infringed upon, its to limit what guns you use to defend it.
Danny, I don’t recall the Deerfield ordinance had anything to do with voting rights. The second amendment isn’t being infringed upon either. You can still own firearms in Springfield but assault (type) weapons are no longer acceptable.
Are you out of your mind? How is it not an infringement the you get told what rifles or pistols you can and can not have? That is by definition an infringement. Wet yourself a dictionary or get onto Google and read up on that part first. Then once you got the terminology straightened out and understand that part of it, try to find words like squirrel, hunting, in the test of the 2A. Frankly I am glad that you don't live anywhere near my grandson as I would not have him in a school where you " teach" and I am using that word in the broadest sense imaginable in this context.
A more interesting question for me is, "what is an anti like you doing on this site " ??
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/07/1808:37 PM
Oh I feel better now , I had to go to the range and relieve myself . I cant believe that some thing like that is allowed to teach in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA .
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/07/1810:16 PM
I had to run down to my gun room and do a head count, all there. Have to keep an eye on those scary black rifles, not to mention those dangerous 30 round mags. I'm actually thinking of separating the two so they don't get any ideas.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/08/1804:18 AM
Why do you people say that Indians should only be allowed to exercise their treaty rights with tools that were only available when the treatys were written,but it is OK for you to have modern tools to exercise your legal right to bear arms,and not just those available when your legal document was written? Hypocrits.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/08/1804:45 AM
Originally Posted By: Boco
Why do you people say that Indians should only be allowed to exercise their treaty rights with tools that were only available when the treatys were written,but it is OK for you to have modern tools to exercise your legal right to bear arms,and not just those available when your legal document was written? Hypocrits.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/08/1811:24 AM
Originally Posted By: Boco
Why do you people say that Indians should only be allowed to exercise their treaty rights with tools that were only available when the treatys were written,but it is OK for you to have modern tools to exercise your legal right to bear arms,and not just those available when your legal document was written? Hypocrits.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/08/1811:36 AM
Apples and oranges boco. If you are referring to the hunting with the treaty rights, there is a big difference between using a weapon to hunt with and using modern technology to defend your family. I'm not saying that I agree with Indians having to use primitive weapons, only that you have to fight fire with fire when it comes to defending life and liberty. Animals are not armed and ready to strip away your rights.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/08/1803:15 PM
How many AR rifles are owned in this country ? Well it will blow your mind more than our military. But these are most owned by law abiding citizens who have never hurt anyone they committed no criminal crimes but you would take there fire arms from them. We have the right to bear arms. This could very well start a civil war. I will never turn my guns over. This really blows my mind that this could happen.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/08/1804:45 PM
Originally Posted By: Teacher
Let’s see if i understand the logic everyone is talking about. The city council, fearing what appear to be assault rifles, pass an ordinance that requires members of their community to get rid of or turn in their assault weapons. By law, the deliberations on such ordinance is in the public domain meaning you could have gone to the publicly held meetings and gave your opinion but most did not. Now you’re complaining your city council, whom you elected to represent the city of Deerfield, has somehow developed an ordinance that doesn’t serve the greater good.
Playing devil’s advocate here, if you didn’t go to the public meetings, contact your councilman with your opinions or get involved in any opposition to this ordinance, what are you complaining about now?
Until the law/ordinance is proven unconstitutional or voted down, it is the law of Deerfield. To not turn in/sell to a buddy you're now declared illegal gun makes you a Lone Ranger, which is just what the law hopes to stop by getting rid of the guns in the first place. America doesn’t need lone rangers anymore. Those days are gone. And personally, I don’t think America needs civilians to have high capacity magazines, bump stocks, silencers, cop-killer ammunition or armor piercing bullets in this day in age. I’ve never seen a duck, deer, squirrel, rabbit, coyote, pheasant or any other game animal harvest that needed any of these things. Nor do I see the need for this level of fire power to keep intruders out of my house. I’m not against gun ownership at all. I have a couple pistols I use for trapping. What I’ve never understood is the mindset that throws up the second amendment and doesn’t recognize that this country is protected by an army, navy, Air Force, marines, hundreds of thousands of police officers, FBI, NSA, CIA, state and local equivalents of the Justice departments and so on. More assault (type) rifles in untrained hands doesn’t make ME feel any safer.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/08/1804:47 PM
Originally Posted By: Hal Aggers
How many AR rifles are owned in this country ? Well it will blow your mind more than our military. But these are most owned by law abiding citizens who have never hurt anyone they committed no criminal crimes but you would take there fire arms from them. We have the right to bear arms. This could very well start a civil war. I will never turn my guns over. This really blows my mind that this could happen.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/08/1806:08 PM
Originally Posted By: Teacher
Let’s see if i understand the logic everyone is talking about. The city council, fearing what appear to be assault rifles, pass an ordinance that requires members of their community to get rid of or turn in their assault weapons. By law, the deliberations on such ordinance is in the public domain meaning you could have gone to the publicly held meetings and gave your opinion but most did not. Now you’re complaining your city council, whom you elected to represent the city of Deerfield, has somehow developed an ordinance that doesn’t serve the greater good.
Playing devil’s advocate here, if you didn’t go to the public meetings, contact your councilman with your opinions or get involved in any opposition to this ordinance, what are you complaining about now?
Until the law/ordinance is proven unconstitutional or voted down, it is the law of Deerfield. To not turn in/sell to a buddy you're now declared illegal gun makes you a Lone Ranger, which is just what the law hopes to stop by getting rid of the guns in the first place. America doesn’t need lone rangers anymore. Those days are gone. And personally, I don’t think America needs civilians to have high capacity magazines, bump stocks, silencers, cop-killer ammunition or armor piercing bullets in this day in age. I’ve never seen a duck, deer, squirrel, rabbit, coyote, pheasant or any other game animal harvest that needed any of these things. Nor do I see the need for this level of fire power to keep intruders out of my house. I’m not against gun ownership at all. I have a couple pistols I use for trapping. What I’ve never understood is the mindset that throws up the second amendment and doesn’t recognize that this country is protected by an army, navy, Air Force, marines, hundreds of thousands of police officers, FBI, NSA, CIA, state and local equivalents of the Justice departments and so on. More assault (type) rifles in untrained hands doesn’t make ME feel any safer.
Teacher, google "Minutemen" and remember why the founding fathers thought that possessing up to date firearms was important in civilian hands. Also, the second amendment was not written about duck hunting or any other kind of hunting. It was written to allow citizens to protect the general populace against governmental over-reach. The kind that the Democrat party is endorsing today.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/09/1801:06 AM
Originally Posted By: Boco
Why do you people say that Indians should only be allowed to exercise their treaty rights with tools that were only available when the treatys were written,but it is OK for you to have modern tools to exercise your legal right to bear arms,and not just those available when your legal document was written? Hypocrits.
Oh good, the Indian messiah has decided to weigh in.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/09/1801:29 AM
Originally Posted By: Aaron Proffitt
Originally Posted By: Boco
Why do you people say that Indians should only be allowed to exercise their treaty rights with tools that were only available when the treatys were written,but it is OK for you to have modern tools to exercise your legal right to bear arms,and not just those available when your legal document was written? Hypocrits.
Oh good, the Indian messiah has decided to weigh in.
He likes to live in the past doesn't he. First the war of 1812, now this. Nobody on here has had any influence on either one of those moments in history.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/09/1801:31 AM
Originally Posted By: Marty
The obvious divide within America grows daily and it will keep growing.
What will happen?
Bernie will be elected president and we'll all hold hands while singing "Kumbaya" and turning in our firearms.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/09/1801:53 AM
Originally Posted By: Marty
The obvious divide within America grows daily and it will keep growing.
What will happen?
The time has come for blood of traitors to be spilled !!! Send a cold hard message to them, and the rest of the world, that our rights are not up for debate, or compromise. Those continually seeking ways to infringe upon our rights will be labeled as traitors, and handled accordingly.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/09/1802:00 AM
Originally Posted By: ringtailtrapper
Originally Posted By: Marty
The obvious divide within America grows daily and it will keep growing.
What will happen?
The time has come for blood of traitors to be spilled !!! Send a cold hard message to them, and the rest of the world, that our rights are not up for debate, or compromise. Those continually seeking ways to infringe upon our rights will be labeled as traitors, and handled accordingly.
RTT
Well sir, you already live in Illinois and this is happening in Deerfield, Illinois. So...
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/09/1802:20 AM
Originally Posted By: Boco
Why do you people say that Indians should only be allowed to exercise their treaty rights with tools that were only available when the treatys were written,but it is OK for you to have modern tools to exercise your legal right to bear arms,and not just those available when your legal document was written? Hypocrits.
To be honest they should feel lucky they get traditional means, they lost just like the ones they pushed out to be there. We didn't give the British any rites or privileges when they lost. Get sick of the poor me while their hand is out for more of the demon whitemnans money.
The two words that means the most in the second amendment text are "the people" as every time tht phrase is used in the constitution it is referring to the individual person not the masses but each person.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/09/1802:52 AM
The time has come for blood of traitors to be spilled !!! Send a cold hard message to them, and the rest of the world, that our rights are not up for debate, or compromise. Those continually seeking ways to infringe upon our rights will be labeled as traitors, and handled accordingly.
RTT [/quote]
Well sir, you already live in Illinois and this is happening in Deerfield, Illinois. So... [/quote]
Come on over mister, we will car pool to the hanging, you game ???
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/09/1803:08 AM
Originally Posted By: Teacher
Let’s see if i understand the logic everyone is talking about. The city council, fearing what appear to be assault rifles, pass an ordinance that requires members of their community to get rid of or turn in their assault weapons. By law, the deliberations on such ordinance is in the public domain meaning you could have gone to the publicly held meetings and gave your opinion but most did not. Now you’re complaining your city council, whom you elected to represent the city of Deerfield, has somehow developed an ordinance that doesn’t serve the greater good.
Playing devil’s advocate here, if you didn’t go to the public meetings, contact your councilman with your opinions or get involved in any opposition to this ordinance, what are you complaining about now?
Until the law/ordinance is proven unconstitutional or voted down, it is the law of Deerfield. To not turn in/sell to a buddy you're now declared illegal gun makes you a Lone Ranger, which is just what the law hopes to stop by getting rid of the guns in the first place. America doesn’t need lone rangers anymore. Those days are gone. And personally, I don’t think America needs civilians to have high capacity magazines, bump stocks, silencers, cop-killer ammunition or armor piercing bullets in this day in age. I’ve never seen a duck, deer, squirrel, rabbit, coyote, pheasant or any other game animal harvest that needed any of these things. Nor do I see the need for this level of fire power to keep intruders out of my house. I’m not against gun ownership at all. I have a couple pistols I use for trapping. What I’ve never understood is the mindset that throws up the second amendment and doesn’t recognize that this country is protected by an army, navy, Air Force, marines, hundreds of thousands of police officers, FBI, NSA, CIA, state and local equivalents of the Justice departments and so on. More assault (type) rifles in untrained hands doesn’t make ME feel any safer.
Holy crap ! This is the mind set that will get us all killed someday. Or at least some of you
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/09/1804:00 AM
Just wondering who will truly stick to there guns if it passes. That would be millions of guns to turn over. How many of you own a semiautomatic 22 rifle most I would bet.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/09/1808:19 AM
Quote:
We didn't give the British any rites or privileges when they lost. Get sick of the poor me while their hand is out for more of the demon whitemnans money.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/09/1809:17 PM
Originally Posted By: Hal Aggers
Just wondering who will truly stick to there guns if it passes. That would be millions of guns to turn over.
“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/09/1811:01 PM
Originally Posted By: Teacher
From what I’ve read and heard about this ordinance, it’s not about pistols, shot guns or 30-06 deer rifles. It’s about assault type rifles. Your right to defend your castle is not being infringed upon, its to limit what guns you use to defend it....
Bingo!! Some of the people trying to control others with jurisdiction they do not, and should not, have!!
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/09/1811:09 PM
Originally Posted By: AKtrapper26
Originally Posted By: Teacher
From what I’ve read and heard about this ordinance, it’s not about pistols, shot guns or 30-06 deer rifles. It’s about assault type rifles. Your right to defend your castle is not being infringed upon, its to limit what guns you use to defend it....
Bingo!! Some of the people trying to control others with jurisdiction they do not, and should not, have!!
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/10/1801:01 AM
Originally Posted By: Boco
Why do you people say that Indians should only be allowed to exercise their treaty rights with tools that were only available when the treatys were written,but it is OK for you to have modern tools to exercise your legal right to bear arms,and not just those available when your legal document was written? Hypocrits.
Boco,
Put The Bottle Down, and Step Away From The Crack Pipe.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/10/1801:48 AM
“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/10/1802:55 AM
Originally Posted By: walleyed
Originally Posted By: Boco
Why do you people say that Indians should only be allowed to exercise their treaty rights with tools that were only available when the treatys were written,but it is OK for you to have modern tools to exercise your legal right to bear arms,and not just those available when your legal document was written? Hypocrits.
Boco,
Put The Bottle Down, and Step Away From The Crack Pipe.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/10/1804:04 PM
This is why the second amendment is written it is not for hunting its for your protection from all of tyrants, including so called elected officials...
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/10/1804:59 PM
Originally Posted By: Teacher
Until the law/ordinance is proven unconstitutional or voted down, it is the law of Deerfield. To not turn in/sell to a buddy you're now declared illegal gun makes you a Lone Ranger, which is just what the law hopes to stop by getting rid of the guns in the first place. America doesn’t need lone rangers anymore. Those days are gone. And personally, I don’t think America needs civilians to have high capacity magazines, bump stocks, silencers, cop-killer ammunition or armor piercing bullets in this day in age. I’ve never seen a duck, deer, squirrel, rabbit, coyote, pheasant or any other game animal harvest that needed any of these things. Nor do I see the need for this level of fire power to keep intruders out of my house. I’m not against gun ownership at all. I have a couple pistols I use for trapping. What I’ve never understood is the mindset that throws up the second amendment and doesn’t recognize that this country is protected by an army, navy, Air Force, marines, hundreds of thousands of police officers, FBI, NSA, CIA, state and local equivalents of the Justice departments and so on. More assault (type) rifles in untrained hands doesn’t make ME feel any safer.
This country was founded by "lone rangers". The men who originally began the idea to make this country a free country with it's own Govt. were acting mostly as individuals and came together as their idea gained approval. Lone rangers continue to enhance our lives. Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, etc. began, to some extant as lone rangers. Lone rangers are a valuable asset in this country. The Army, Navy, etc. that teacher mentions are Govt. entities. The 2nd amendment was written to allow "the people" to protect themselves from a Govt. that has become tyrannical. This country has only been invaded by a foreign army once............on a small Aleutian island. That army didn't stay long. A large part of the reason we have NEVER been invaded is that in addition to an armed military and other entities, we have an armed POPULACE!!. I am extremely disappointed that a member who labels himself a teacher does not recognize the importance of the individuals and laws that were made to protect "the people" in perpetuity. The King was the "Law" in the 1700s. Our founders did not like his laws and threw out his govt. USING VIOLENCE. Disobeying the law is how this country was founded!! MQ
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/14/1806:10 PM
I’ve been off Tman for a couple days. Had some teaching to do! I’m back to Tman to defend myself and remind those on here that your right to lynch me is guaranteed by our government. But by the same token, I have the same rights to express my opinions to the contrary.
Again, I haven’t read the Illinois ordinance language. But, I suspect neither have most of you. With that being said, I’ll bet “assault” rifles and similar guns are defined in that ordinance. The fact remains that this community, for the safety of the community, decided certain firearms were no longer wanted in their community. Just because you can buy something doesn’t mean the majority of your neighbors have to like it. Barking dogs, loud mufflers, driving while drunk and too many deaths because seatbelts weren’t being worn are the 4 that come to mind.
I Live in town. I trust my police department has my safety in mind and I don’t need an automatic style firearm to protect myself. I believe neither I or anyone in my community needs a gun with more than 5 shots to the clip or magazine. These are my beliefs. I also believe in the rule of law whether you do or not. If my community passes a law that serves the greater good I don’t have to like it. But, the attitude of “they’ll get my gun when they peel my cold dead hand off it” doesn’t do anyone any good. The best way to get something changed is to give city managers, council people and county board members something reasonable to do about your complaint. It’s amazing what can be done with positive examples that show positive thinking rather than constant complaining.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/14/1806:16 PM
The right to be armed, just like the right to vote, cant be done away with by a city council. I'm sure your aware of that teacher. just say you want to change the constitution instead of all that ridiculous blathering you do just to irritate people.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/14/1806:28 PM
Originally Posted By: Teacher
I’ve been off Tman for a couple days. Had some teaching to do! I’m back to Tman to defend myself and remind those on here that your right to lynch me is guaranteed by our government. But by the same token, I have the same rights to express my opinions to the contrary.
Again, I haven’t read the Illinois ordinance language. But, I suspect neither have most of you. With that being said, I’ll bet “assault” rifles and similar guns are defined in that ordinance. The fact remains that this community, for the safety of the community, decided certain firearms were no longer wanted in their community. Just because you can buy something doesn’t mean the majority of your neighbors have to like it. Barking dogs, loud mufflers, driving while drunk and too many deaths because seatbelts weren’t being worn are the 4 that come to mind.
I Live in town. I trust my police department has my safety in mind and I don’t need an automatic style firearm to protect myself. I believe neither I or anyone in my community needs a gun with more than 5 shots to the clip or magazine. These are my beliefs. I also believe in the rule of law whether you do or not. If my community passes a law that serves the greater good I don’t have to like it. But, the attitude of “they’ll get my gun when they peel my cold dead hand off it” doesn’t do anyone any good. The best way to get something changed is to give city managers, council people and county board members something reasonable to do about your complaint. It’s amazing what can be done with positive examples that show positive thinking rather than constant complaining.
That mentality is a mistake in my book, but your right that you have every right to believe it and act accordingly. However, your beliefs and other like mind people such as yourself shouldn't infringe upon the rights of us who do not trust the LEO's with our safety and keeps us from exercising our 2nd amendment rights. A "Community" cannot override Federal law. They are letting ignorance override sound judgement.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/14/1806:40 PM
Teacher, ever heard of the constitution? You know, the document you libs seem to hate so much. The second amendment was put in there so we could defend ourselves against a tyrannical government, not so we could have guns for hunting or for protecting ourselves against a criminal. Our weapons should be on the same level as the governments, or else why would they fear WE THE PEOPLE? Read the comments by the founding fathers, the government should fear us, not the other way around. It's first going to be the so called "assault" weapons, but the bill in Congress right now includes all semi-auto's including pistols, rifles, and even shotguns. They're all called assault weapons. First guns, then knives. it's never going to stop. Sound foolish? Look at London. The mayor (a Muslim)now wants to ban knives because his homicide rate has surpassed even New York Cities! And they don't have ANY guns. The writers of the constitution had great wisdom, actually it wasn't theirs, they spent many days praying to God for wisdom, and that's why the second amendment got put in there. You liberals want the government to have control over the people, but the writers of the constitution believed the people should have control over the government. HUGE difference if you want freedom! When government has too much power, it never works out. Just ask the unarmed Jews, Cubans, and the many others. Sad part is Teacher, it's people like you that are teaching our kids. Our founding fathers are rolling over in their graves.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/14/1806:44 PM
Teacher. please stay on here and don't go away for days " teaching". Most folks on here are grown up and we rather put up with your BS on here then have you run around " teaching" the younger generation. So pull up a chair, put yer feet up and have at it. Anything to stop you from spreading that bull and your mindset to the more gullible young ones is fine with me.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/14/1806:54 PM
Originally Posted By: Teacher
I’ve been off Tman for a couple days. Had some teaching to do! I’m back to Tman to defend myself and remind those on here that your right to lynch me is guaranteed by our government. But by the same token, I have the same rights to express my opinions to the contrary.
Again, I haven’t read the Illinois ordinance language. But, I suspect neither have most of you. With that being said, I’ll bet “assault” rifles and similar guns are defined in that ordinance. The fact remains that this community, for the safety of the community, decided certain firearms were no longer wanted in their community. Just because you can buy something doesn’t mean the majority of your neighbors have to like it. Barking dogs, loud mufflers, driving while drunk and too many deaths because seatbelts weren’t being worn are the 4 that come to mind.
I Live in town. I trust my police department has my safety in mind and I don’t need an automatic style firearm to protect myself. I believe neither I or anyone in my community needs a gun with more than 5 shots to the clip or magazine. These are my beliefs. I also believe in the rule of law whether you do or not. If my community passes a law that serves the greater good I don’t have to like it. But, the attitude of “they’ll get my gun when they peel my cold dead hand off it” doesn’t do anyone any good. The best way to get something changed is to give city managers, council people and county board members something reasonable to do about your complaint. It’s amazing what can be done with positive examples that show positive thinking rather than constant complaining.
Hmmmmm... You just don't believe that Democrats want to remove all of the firearms ownership that they can, right? Rather, it's all about "common sense gun laws"? Is that a reasonable appraisal of what your position is?
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/14/1807:00 PM
To me common sense gun laws mean we should own up to and including anything the federal gubmint has. Anything short of that means they always have us outgunned and totally goes against all intent of the second amendment. If you dont believe that, then you dont understand the INTENT of the second amendment.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/14/1807:06 PM
So what your saying is you think we should be limited on the type of gun to defend ourselves?
Wouldn't that be easy if our countrymen rose up against the government. They want us to only have single shot guns.
Our country has to many teachers like you in the public schools and you got this idea that the majority agrees with you and every law that gets passed.
Do our future generations a favor and quit teaching and move to some communism country that you so protest for.
You leave nothing to wonder why teachers are looked down at.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/14/1807:10 PM
I just want to know what amendment in the U.S. Constitution protects barking dogs, loud mufflers, drunk driving, and the use of seat belts.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/14/1809:03 PM
J Staton, None! Again, the constitution grants us rights, not to be infringed upon. It does not limit us on the weapons needed to fight against the tyrannical government as King George, or Obama, was directing us. SO many do not see the real threat to this country is the "Dumocrats" and their hope of a U.N run global government. Our Constitution and Bill of Rights,is the biggest hindrance int he world to that goal. And I'm a teacher.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/14/1809:58 PM
"I Live in town. I trust my police department has my safety in mind and I don’t need an automatic style firearm to protect myself."
By Supreme Court ruling law officers are NOT required to protect anyone. Let's not forget that was ruled on more than once.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/14/1810:41 PM
Originally Posted By: Bear Tracker
J Staton, None! Again, the constitution grants us rights, not to be infringed upon. It does not limit us on the weapons needed to fight against the tyrannical government as King George, or Obama, was directing us. SO many do not see the real threat to this country is the "Dumocrats" and their hope of a U.N run global government. Our Constitution and Bill of Rights,is the biggest hindrance int he world to that goal. And I'm a teacher.
I thought it might have been somewhere between the second and third amendment. "The right to drive a truck with a loud muffler, whilst being drunk and unbuckled with barking dog in back, shall not be infringed."
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/14/1810:55 PM
I got to thinking on Teachers comments.
He says he believes in the rule of the law. And obviously he does not believe in the constitution. You can't have both if they contradict each other.
We believe in the writing of the constitution that was written to protect ourselves from a take over from government. And no government has the right to take that protection away.
Teacher believes they have that right if he supports laws that go against the constitution.
So in Teachers way of thinking he is ok with our government changing the constitution to benefit their agenda. I wonder what else Teacher is willing to give to the government giving them full control?
They take the 2nd the government will destroy this country even faster and put us all under their control. I call that a dictatorship.
Re: 60 days to turn in your guns! - 04/15/1801:03 AM
Originally Posted By: Rat Masterson
I'm not sure if teacher is really a "teacher".
I would say he is. He fits the mold quite perfectly of most teachers and professors these days. Notice I said most, not all, I feel sorry for the good ones.