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Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy.

Posted By: FlyinFinn

Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/14/18 10:06 PM

100 million dollars of taxpayer cash is flown to AL shabob terrorists in Somalia every year by people gaming the low income daycare benefit system.
Last week the MN senate discussed actual legitimate private daycares being cited by department of human services because "their grass was too pokey".


The article says that public officials were aware of the Somali fraud and did nothing. We'll see if anything happens to them. Meanwhile, MN working families areally suffering a lack of LICENSED daycares. This licensing B.S. is an exclusionary practice and has little to nothing to do with the safety of the kid. It employs an army of bureaucrats. It's maddening.
Here is a link to the somali fraud story. Contact your legislator if you think they care:
http://www.fox9.com/news/investigators/millions-of-dollars-in-suitcases-fly-out-of-msp-but-why
Posted By: Donnersurvivor

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/14/18 10:45 PM

The average Somali IQ is 68, what does that say about those of us (MN taxpayers) who they are robbing...
Posted By: Catch22

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/14/18 11:18 PM

With civil forfeiture, in it's willy nilly state, I doubt they could get through at the airport with bags stuffed full of cash. Sounds to fishy to me.
Posted By: SwampRat83

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/14/18 11:21 PM

Minnesota has too many Somali's, they need to go.
Posted By: FlyinFinn

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/15/18 12:03 AM

Originally Posted By: Catch22
With civil forfeiture, in it's willy nilly state, I doubt they could get through at the airport with bags stuffed full of cash. Sounds to fishy to me.

They don't check muslims, that'd be profiling.
Posted By: Tweed

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/15/18 12:16 AM

Its tough investigating these things. There's a big difference between knowing something and proving something.
Posted By: charles

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/15/18 01:21 AM

Licensing for daycare centers is not BS. It is about protecting kids, sanitation, quality, nutrition, and pretty important stuff.
Posted By: Tweed

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/15/18 01:27 AM

Originally Posted By: SwampRat83
Minnesota has too many Somali's, they need to go.


If anything they need more. Another 200,000 would do good.
Posted By: FlyinFinn

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/15/18 02:17 AM

Originally Posted By: charles
Licensing for daycare centers is not BS. It is about protecting kids, sanitation, quality, nutrition, and pretty important stuff.

Government isn't in charge of those things Charles; parents are. It is nice to think that government is capable of doing those things well, but they have proven inept as most other endeavors they creep into.
Posted By: FlyinFinn

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/15/18 02:21 AM

Also the fraud is happening because government subsidizes low wages paid by employers by paying the cost of childcare. Whatever government becomes involved in seems to become riddled with corruption. Yet we alays want more?
Posted By: Catch22

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/15/18 02:34 AM

Originally Posted By: FlyinFinn
Also the fraud is happening because government subsidizes low wages paid by employers by paying the cost of childcare. Whatever government becomes involved in seems to become riddled with corruption. Yet we alays want more?

I'm pretty sure that subsidizing everything, is Constitutionally sound.
Posted By: FlyinFinn

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/15/18 02:49 AM

I don't believe it is constitutional issue. It is an issue of two political parties ruining America through government dependence and strangling individual responsibility..
Posted By: mnsota

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/15/18 03:00 AM

http://www.fox9.com/news/investigators/s...d-investigation
Posted By: AntiGov

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/15/18 03:04 AM

Originally Posted By: FlyinFinn
I don't believe it is constitutional issue. It is an issue of two political parties ruining America through government dependence and strangling individual responsibility..



If only we had a third party............
Posted By: tjm

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/15/18 03:19 AM

No where in the Constitution does it mention 'The Right To Be Responsible'; allowing individual responsibility severely handicaps the socialist agenda and it should stop.
You have no right to be Responsible and it must be curtailed.
Posted By: mnsota

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/15/18 03:20 AM

Its tough investigating these things. There's a big difference between knowing something and proving something.


Maybe,you can enlightened us in the confirmation of this process?
Posted By: tjm

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/15/18 03:26 AM

Originally Posted By: charles
Licensing for daycare centers is not BS. It is about protecting kids, sanitation, quality, nutrition, and pretty important stuff.
Wrong!!!
If a care taker is exposing children to any of that stuff use existing child endangerment laws against both the caretaker and both parents.
Any form of licensing is is simply a Tax. Most of the revenue from such taxes is usually spent on the enforcement and collection of the tax, but it does keep a lot of guberment workers busy.
Posted By: mnsota

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/15/18 04:13 AM

It's not anything of the above,...its pretty obvious! Play the game, You'll be rewarded. Does that ring hollow?
Posted By: mnsota

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/15/18 04:20 AM

Licensing for daycare centers is not BS. It is about protecting kids, sanitation, quality, nutrition, and pretty important stuff.

Lofty goals!,,,achievable in your aspirations? ,.....what is a daycare center?
Posted By: KeithC

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/15/18 04:39 AM

I had a Somali come here to buy pigeons. He spent over an hour looking at pigeons in the Summer heat. When we got back down to his taxi, I heard a really strange noise. I asked him if he left some sort of animal in his car and he said no it was his daughter. She was less than a year old. She had cried so long, she no longer sounded like a baby. He could not of cared less. I imagine Somali child care is pretty horrid.

I have had another Somali pull a gun on me.

I don't believe any more Somalis should be allowed in the US. I have met around 30 Somalis and have a very, very, very low opinion of them.

I deal with hundreds of foreign born people a year and the only ones I really don't want around are Somalis. I don't know how you Minnesotans can deal with them.

Keith
Posted By: mnsota

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/15/18 04:56 AM

According to Minnesotans about transfiguring funds to Al Shababe,...maybe an offering,.in acceptation of accursedness
is in order,yeah,..really,..obvious capitulation,...we America sets precedence!
Posted By: mnsota

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/15/18 05:14 AM

As it should be!..
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/15/18 04:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Tweed
Originally Posted By: SwampRat83
Minnesota has too many Somali's, they need to go.


If anything they need more. Another 200,000 would do good.


In your dreams. I work among them. You have no idea what you're talking about until you do.
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/15/18 04:43 PM

Originally Posted By: KeithC
I had a Somali come here to buy pigeons. He spent over an hour looking at pigeons in the Summer heat. When we got back down to his taxi, I heard a really strange noise. I asked him if he left some sort of animal in his car and he said no it was his daughter. She was less than a year old. She had cried so long, she no longer sounded like a baby. He could not of cared less. I imagine Somali child care is pretty horrid.

I have had another Somali pull a gun on me.

I don't believe any more Somalis should be allowed in the US. I have met around 30 Somalis and have a very, very, very low opinion of them.

I deal with hundreds of foreign born people a year and the only ones I really don't want around are Somalis. I don't know how you Minnesotans can deal with them.

Keith


A friend of mine had a baby bassinet. He ran an ad on Craig's List to give it away. Two Somali women stopped, looked at it, and said they wanted it. They TOLD him he would have to deliver it since it wouldn't fit in their small car. He told them he didn't have time to deliver it, but would hold it until tomorrow if they could find someone to pick it up for them.

When they didn't show the next day, he gave it to another couple. A day after that, the Somali women and a man came back and wanted the bassinet. When he explained since they didn't show up a day later, he had given it to someone else. They demanded he go BUY them another one. They argued with him, threatened him, and he was forced to call the local police. When he explained the situation, the police made the Somalis leave. They threatened to sue the police department for not helping them.
Posted By: Osky

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/15/18 05:42 PM

Originally Posted By: mnsota
Its tough investigating these things. There's a big difference between knowing something and proving something.


Maybe,you can enlightened us in the confirmation of this process?



According to some people with the government on air this morning, the 100 million plus flown out of the Minneapolis airport last year alone was counted and documented, as per the law, by the airport authority. One suitcase alone ducumented was well north of 1 million in cash. You can take the money out legally as long as you declare it. There is a Somali cover company involved.

The bigger question to me is why we give these people so much free stuff, services, and cash from Minnesota taxpayers that they have that kind of our cash to send away?
Minnesota also has a "remittance" program for these Somali people so they can send money back to family members, in theory. Again when did this state approve giving these people that much of our tax money, to send away?? No wonder the unemployment rate among them is so hi.
I agree they should be sent back.

Osky
Posted By: TreedaBlackdog

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/15/18 06:02 PM

Originally Posted By: charles
Licensing for daycare centers is not BS. It is about protecting kids, sanitation, quality, nutrition, and pretty important stuff.


If the US was worried about protecting kids.....they wouldn't be in daycare...
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/15/18 06:04 PM

All those caught and guilty of this should be immediately deported; the entire family. But, the governor of MN is too stupid and will do his best to not allow this to happen. He prefers Somalis to Americans when he said, "If you have a problem with them moving into your area, you need to move to another state."
Posted By: FlyinFinn

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/15/18 06:17 PM

The legislature continues to fund the programs and allows them to continue to exist. Repeal the licensing program for day care centers and cut funding for daycare cost subsidises.
The Republican controlled legislature is, of course, appalled by what happened aND will hold several meetings and inquiries, but in the end will do nothing- just like the DMV debacle. The whole group of legislators and the governor should be deported to Somalia.
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/15/18 06:39 PM

Originally Posted By: FlyinFinn
The legislature continues to fund the programs and allows them to continue to exist. Repeal the licensing program for day care centers and cut funding for daycare cost subsidises.
The Republican controlled legislature is, of course, appalled by what happened aND will hold several meetings and inquiries, but in the end will do nothing- just like the DMV debacle. The whole group of legislators and the governor should be deported to Somalia.


And if the republicans did do anything such as deporting the perpetrators, the democrats will fight it and Dayton will veto any legislation headed in that direction.
Posted By: FlyinFinn

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/15/18 06:46 PM

So what, let him veto. The same excuse as is used in the lack of 2nd amendment legislation.
Posted By: Osky

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/15/18 07:21 PM

According to Tim Pawlenty this morning a whistleblower expos d this in 2014 and the amount stolen from us then was 14 million. It has gone up every year until last year at over 100 million. They have documentation that the legislature has been hammered on this since 2014 but they would not act.

Osky
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/15/18 07:31 PM

Originally Posted By: FlyinFinn
So what, let him veto. The same excuse as is used in the lack of 2nd amendment legislation.


That's the point, Flynn. Why spin your wheels when you're not going anywhere anyway???
Posted By: FlyinFinn

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/15/18 08:52 PM

Why pay the legislature? Draft repeal bill after repeal bill. So what if they spin their wheels? Everyone else in government is spinning their wheels while pretending to accomplish something. The Minnesota Republicans don't even do that. They know that the bulk of outstate MN will keep voting for them to keep getting what they've always got.
Another Facebook post by a nearby republican legislator saying how she is attending a conference to support 'responsible gun ownership' - code word for SHE want's to control who has the guns. After the hoops have been jumped thru and the fees have been paid, she supports that you can partake in carrying a gun. I asked if she supports Constitutional Carry....Crickets.
Posted By: charles

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/16/18 01:25 AM

Why are hospitals licensed. Heck anyone should be able to treat people for money. No regulations are necessary to protect the patients! Makes about as much sense.
Posted By: FlyinFinn

Re: Daycare fraud and regulatory idiocy. - 05/16/18 01:32 AM

Hospitals and doctors are licensed as an exclusionary measure same as day cares; in order to create a false scarcity to make their labor more valuable. I am unsure of why people trust their own intuition and experience in dealing with a free market in a number of innocuous transactions but somehow rationalize that a government decree enforced by a bureaucrat makes one more safe because the free market will fail them in areas of some import such as healthcare or child care.
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