my sons iq

tested at 170...we always knew he was bright. He qualifies for the mensa records but we just want him to be a boy. The schools are behind him here for his age but his mom and I want him to be with kids his age. It was an experiment. My neighbor was Dr larry J roszman born and bred over on the next section. a Genius and rocket scientist. His mom told me what she believed made him that way. I told his(my sons ) mom to do it when he was born. She did. At 3 months he said mom and dad consistantly....did abc"s at 18 months...picked up lords prayer and now i lay me down to sleep in a week at 2. spoke complete sentences very early and pronounced 4 syllable names at 2. His moms family is also smart.

That's pretty cool. You know what would make him even smarter. I f ya got him one of those Plott hounds.

So what's the secret?

well i dont know if its a secret.....i dont even know if its what caused it but its what she did and what larrys mom said she did...she cuddled him in her lap everyday and read to him....in philippines we didnt have cable tv(not avail)so he had learning dvd"s like phonics etc at 16-18 months then she downloaded learning type games on tablet for him also at that time. She nurtered him wayyy more than i felt necessary as they do over there. At 3(week after bday) she told me to bring him to usa with me....on plane when we were getting off in california a child psycologist stood up and told me her job and asked me how old he was. I said he turned 3 last week. She said"he is very advanced". Here in farm country there isnt much advanced learning for him in school. I guess we will just let him be. He has always said he wants to be a dr to take care of mom.....today he asked me if he could also be a pilot. I said"if youre a dr u can be a pilot too." You can be anything you want .
She also at my request fed him high omega fish...always. He shows high aptitude for building also(engineering)did at 2. A few months back a neighbor gave him blocks and other stuff and he built a 3 level parking garage for his cars with a heli pad on top.....called me in to show me and i said wow... i also take him everywhere...art museums etc.he loves music...in car today he was singing country music i didnt even know he knew the words to.

That's incredible

2 of my neighbors kids in philippines live in chicago...both scientist...both girls www.facebook.com/steve.petrella.7/videos/vb.1661926859/1648531987465/?type=3[/video]
https://www.facebook.com/steve.petrella.7/videos/vb.1661926859/1648531987465/?type=3...think of it.....most philipinos speak 3 languages...wondering if we should go back. We love usa

Gifted people are very interesting, but they can be challenging to people of average intelligence. I know a guy who took his first flight lesson on his 5th birthday.

Because of his intelligence level, he will have very little in common with children his age. He should mature at his rate, not the “standard” rate.

If you want him to keep advancing, keep advancing him. Make sure that he learns how to learn, then feed his mind with constant opportunities to learn. He will thrive on constant mental challenges. Continue giving him opportunities to theorize something, and then put it into action.

Don’t let his mind stagnate in a boring mundane education. The worst possible situation would be for him to be in a school system that does not understand or recognize his intelligence and would not know what to do with him. Don’t let them “dumb him down” to mediocrity.

Make sure that he knows that he has a gift and he should nurture and use his gift. In a very positive way, he will realize that he is special and therefore will have special opportunities.

youre SO Right,,i pulled him out of a preschool where they were 2 yrs behind him.....they didnt know what to do with him. Thats why im thinking of going back......His mom can teach him. We have always told him he is smart...he does know it. grandparents of his friends asked me last yr...."why is he so smart? My grandkids dont know what he knows"? I said, because we teach him. Thanks for the great advise!!!!

Keep him envolved in math and music. They complement each other and are common with high IQ individuals.

it is actually what ive encountered.....very frustrating .

thanks charles...its very hard

Just another thought - work with him to hone his memory. A big part of learning is memorizing facts, concepts, patterns, relationships. Intelligence is analyzing and applying everything in the memory in countless negative and positive combinations, then searching for missing variables and explaining the newly found solutions and conclusions.

Best wishes.

his grandpa in philippines was mathmetician

Wow...that is very impressive!!

if u put him in a room with blocks he gravitates to this...he loves sky cranes and builds them from blocks too

That is the stupidest thing ever!!!

Very well said.

He just woke and this is what he is doing

Add languages to that list. Don't have to play music or speak other languages their whole lives, if they don't want to. However it is critical to their development that they are exposed to them during their elementary school years.

he speaks 3

Sky crane while pinkilicious

That is great for him and impressive. He will keep you busy.

In general, it is a good idea to reinforce the behaviors that they enjoy that will lead to long-term success and not so much the innate ability. I agree with WF in many ways gifted kids are different and much more challenging.

IQ is always a function of age and the highest an individual will ever test is typical when they are first tested due to being young. It is a reference point in relation to others. If ability is associated with behaviors (enjoying reading, working hard at building with blocks) challenges are generally viewed through this lens. If ability is internalized as being innate sometimes challenges or concepts that are hard to grasp can be devastating to self-esteem. This is when many gifted kids begin to lose direction/focus.

The struggle with gifted kids is to keep them engaged and motivated but this definitely falls under the umbrella of good problems to have. Good luck and don't forget to have fun with it.

i feel im letting him down,,its very frustrating.

The fact that you are worried about it leads me to believe you won't.

studies have shown that the emotional well being is by being with his age group....kids who are real smart suffer alot of probs in grades with older kids...he is super sensitive as kids with high intelligence tend to be. Best advise was from firewood willy and chas really.....going to the professionals now....pre school pros dont count

Children learn differently than adults learn. Languages and music are easier to learn at a young age.

Expose him to many forms of music and he will begin to notice the similarities and differences. Teach him about the scale, different keys, rhythm, instruments, as the elements of music. Make sure to introduce him to classical music. Children who listen to classical music increase their intelligence level. Teach him the music’s title, when composed, why it was written, and the composer’s name, and then listen together, and afterwards discuss it. Buy him a simple basic instrument. Do the same with many forms of music - just not rap because that might erase his intelligence, ha.

Do the same with many languages. Show him on a globe where people live who speak the languages. (Now he is learning geography too.). Show him the word for hello in many languages - it will expand his understanding. Go from there.

Art is important. Show him the classics, teach him about the artists, different styles and mediums, and then show him paintings and ask him to tell you the style, artist, and medium used.

Literature is critically important. Read to him from the classics. Again, teach him about the writer, location, when written, meaning, etc. discuss it so he learns and understands. Have him start creating his own literature. If he cannot write - now is the time to learn. Have him make up stories and record them with an inexpensive Olympus voice recorder.

You will be opening his mind, expanding his horizons, and teaching him to learn. Have fun!

You will be opening his mind, expanding his horizons, and teaching him to learn. Have fun![/quote] im 60...too much for me...some of that i do but i feel thats what school is for. With ptsd i have no business teaching him other than by example or letting him experience it or see it. He learns alot by watching

Be advised many with higher IQ also end badly or with issues due to the social issues. They may be socially awkward or otherwise maladjusted to their peers and society. We humans are social animals but deal poorly with differences.

My brothers and I were tested as gifted and were in advanced placement in school. I tested the highest at 140+ but also tested as EC or emotional conflinct. I will testify to being my mama's rebel child and having more than my share of trouble.

The best advice I can give based on those who helped me the most. Love the child no matter what and always let him know it. Hold him to a high standard yes but at the end of the day he needs love to stay connected. High IQ often separates and that is the worst thing possible to the human soul.

Childhood intelligence measured by IQ is the most easily manipulated form of intelligence testing, your child may have a naturally high IQ, genetics has a lot to do with this but there are other factors such as diet and environment, education in early age also boost IQ but this is for the most part temporary. Your child likely will not have a 170 IQ into adulthood, he may be above average but not to the extent he is now compared to his peers. Remember he is a kid, do not start treating him like a child prodigy, let him play in the mud and kick a ball around, encourage him to get dirty and have fun with other kids please do not give him the white glove treatment and try and turn him into a grandmaster chess player.

My step brother was very high IQ, he was treated like a child prodigy, everything came easy to him but when he went to college everything quit coming easy, even though he was smart he still had to study but he had never learned any discipline so he did not put in the work, he became depressed and started using drugs, 20 years later he died of a drug overdose at 40 having never accomplished anything of meaning in his life. I am assuming your kid is a only child? Because of the value parents place one their only child I imagine you are already very protective of him, him being smart only heightens this as you foresee a life of safety and prosperity, it is going to be hard but you have to let him take risk, let him go off that jump with his bike or swim in the deep end of the pool, if you baby him to much he wont learn to withstand hard ship, this was my brothers downfall.

he is treated like who he is. a 4 yr old,but he converses like an adult ppl tell me. He likes italian opera and country music mostly but likes many. Smart is just natural for him. He learns because its him. My good buddy plays bluegrass and gospel on guitar and banjo...sal loves it,he has a guitar. We were at a revival last week(stringed instruments)and he wanted to play. I expose him to alot of things daily. He is my running partner.

not my only child....he isnt babied at all...he is in a tough jarhead family and law enforcement...he is a role model to the smaller kids....thats philipino and italian

Warrior and Donner raise excellent points. Everything is important in raising a child. Socialization, confidence, work ethic, accountability, and endless other elements.

Warrior - a person’s spirit and personality is important. Kept mostly in check, a rebel spirit can be great. For example the rowdy rebel Americans in the middle 1700s.

Donner - You have my condolences for the loss of your step-brother. Gifted people, especially if gifted in a creative way, can be frustrated and self-destructive. It is even harder to lose them.

Something else that I believe is important is to teach him is a strong sense discipline and of time. Do the right thing at the right time. Be early, if you are not early you are late. Get up early in the morning. Go to bed at a sensible bedtime. A specific amount of time should be allocated to each task - teaches a child to not sit and languish over homework for hours. Budget a reasonable amount of time and accomplish the task in the time allotted. Begin a job on time and complete on time. Every project should have a series of goals - reach the goals and you complete the job. Everything he does should have a goal - even if personal satisfaction and enjoyment.

Of course, he should develop a sense of spontaneity and the ability to make adjustments on the fly. Ensure plenty of unstructured time for fun, experience, and adventure.

And then, there is the issue of healthy living. Teach him the importance of eating a balanced diet of healthy foods, avoiding unhealthy foods, getting regular exercise, and taking good care of himself with good medical care.

The experts do say that childhood IQ tests are not always precisely accurate, and are more of a guideline. However, the test results coincide with your observation. It might be prudent to periodically repeat the testing. Experts also say that a person can increase his IQ - for every year of college it increases 1 point, and for every year of professional school it increases 2 points.

All of these suggestions will involve a tremendous amount of dedication, effort, and focus. In all honesty, I would make these same suggestions to nearly any parent, with intensity adjusted for intelligence level and attention span.

I look forward to seeing your son as a great xxxxxx in the future! I sincerely wish you, your son, and your family all the best.

Congrats.
I always found it funny that Mensa wanted an annual membership for me to join.
Relish the young years. Don't over think it. Sounds like he's got a good head on his shoulders which is half the battle. Proud papa!

A good friend always reverts to Coolidge in times like this:
"Nothing in the world can take the place of Persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race"

not so much a proud papa.(although we feel proud and blessed)..just see it as it is. He is an all around great kid. Everybody loves him in 2 countries and everybody tells me what an immensly bright little boy. He is well disiplined and well rounded as a boy. He helps with chores....i.e. feeding chickens,cats,carrying groceries. His mom is smart and filipina. Filipino are generally mabait(affable,friendly etc. We are blessed,but its a chore.

Well you should be Proud! And Yes you are blessed!

you going to bring his mom over here, give him his little brother? poor kid aint getting a hound you could at least work on the brother

haha danny!!

his preschool program is mensa but he is ahead of it.

You have got a lot of good advise IMO here. After saying that, I would consult in a professional in this field and see what they have to say. There maybe some something these trappers here missed. LOL
Keep us updated.

Whatever you do, encourage him. I'm not going to rag on public education. But it tries to force kids to fit a mold and move at the same speed as everyone else... It just doesn't work for the exceptional kids. They tend to get bored and give up.

My sister pulled both her boys out of public school. The youngest absolutely despised public school. He isn't a sit-still-and-read-and-recite kid. He is mechanically minded and has a drive to tinker and take things apart and make things. He still receives instruction in the essentials but has more free time to devote to mechanical work.

The kid is 10 and for his birthday and Christmas he asked for tools... And that's what he got.

He's "hyper" and can be exasperating at times. But if you sit down to teach him something that he is curious about he immediately settles down and you can see him soaking it all in.

Encourage him to go as far as he can.

Mike

you are exactly right. I pulled him out of public once.......he is in private. BUT his mom had him doing more at 18 months to 2 than the school teaches at 4. He is going back to 1 on 1...the school bores him. He has alot of learning tools at home and I take him everywhere. Only reason he goes to any school is for the comraderie of the kids

There are better places for him to get the camaraderie of other kids that don’t keep him bored for several hours a day which can be a real killer for som one who is beyond the curriculum

The best advice you got in my opinion is to talk to an expert if your school doesn’t have one then should be able to put you in contact with one but there is a lot of good advice in the above posts

Just be glad you have a exceptional son and not a daughter, both my kids tested as well above the mark and both were in the same school system but where my son was encouraged to take all the advanced classes he could my daughter had to fight for almost every one she wanted to take

One thing I have always e thankful fo is that both my kids got my smarts but also got their mothers stubborn streak and will to fight for what they want

All right n all it sounds like you will do well by your son

USA schools don't have until after kinder...he will school with his mom like before for advanced

yes it is awesome and at times scary to have youth with that much potential. Your son has scored very well. Our daughter was high but not that high and we did not have her tested until the 3rd grade. There were many options but we chose to stay in our local public school that was offering a Gifted and Talented program so she could stay with her classmates. Also I was just too tight to spend the money some outfits wanted to give her a better education. She is now a professor of clinical psychology at a university doing genetic research on depression. She chose the academic route as she prefers that and she has been head hunted by many hospitals and corporations and has been willing to turn down those offers. We found that our decision to stay within our local public school system did not result in her not being able to compete in the larger arenas.
I am grateful for all her capabilities and here desire to stay as grounded as she has. She did take up hockey and played on women's team through college, grad school and into her mid 40s. I played hockey in college at the club level and I told her that the physical activity would help remove all the brain stress from studying and it worked for her like it did for me.

Bryce

If he is as bright as the experts say he is, find a good school for him and resist the temptation to blame any stumble he my take as the fault of that school.
I have seen many, many kids identified as "gifted" fall short of the accomplishments of other bright students because of an elitist attitude the lable planted in their(and their parents) heads. Two of these cases resulted in law suits against the districts(one was successful)the kids attended claiming the school did not challenge the kid enough. Kinda funny when you know the kid(who seems no brighter than average) and the for fact that his GPA was in the B- range-and he missed at least a day or two every week. Niether of these young men finished college and are still living with their mothers in their late 20's.--but I digress

Depending upon where you live, there are some schools he can attend that will hold him to high standards and will allow him to explore advanced levels of activities in more than just traditional areas of his education-Think STEM. The fields of Science, Technology, Engineering, Math are broad enough that he can go as far as his abilities and efforts will take him.

All that said, most public schools can provide a very good education to any kid if he resists the temptation to "coast" his way through school and(probably more important) stays out a peer group made up of kids who look at education as something they are forced to suffer until they are 18.

IMHO, the most important thing a parent can do to ensure a kid reaches his potential is to encourage him chalenge himself, hold him accountable, and don't accept excuses.

I took an online test with 10 questions that only a genius can get them all right.....I aced it, so I'm a genius!!!

Next up: college GoFundMe.

Pass-thru, I sometimes wonder if some school psychologist use that very test to label some gifted students .

I have very little to offer here except that he is a very impressive child with incredible potential to be whatever he chooses in life. At that age I had just learned how to eat crayons.

Me too.

Sounds like you’re doing things to the best of your and his abilities. Chinese do something similar. They REQUIRE their kindergarten aged kids to be able to read some English by the time they get to school. So, parents are always reading to them, having them listen to audio and video training training, or enrolling them in pre-kindergarten classes. By third grade, these same kids have to get 100% on 40-question math exams to keep up with the school requirements. It’s insane but it also produces kids who can read, write and think in 2 languages. And it’s why China is beating us in literacy today.

It’s the parental commitment like yours that will help him get even better

thanks teacher. Youre right. Even the philippines is leading the usa in academics now. I didnt believe it until I brought my son here and experienced it. His mom taught him at home in philippines. At 3 months he consistantly said mom and dad,,at 18 months abc"s...at 2 yrs he memorized now i lay me down to sleep and the lords prayer in 9 days saying it once a night. He speaks filipino,english and a little italian. At 3 he counted to 50. I give credit to his mom for these things. We knew very early he was different as did everybody around us. Our neighbor was a retired professor from austraila,,sons grandpa was mathmetician for coca cola...they raised 10 kids and 10 college grads . He was speaking 4 syllable words at 16-18 months because all his relatives names were 3-4 syllables.grandma ipispania,,grandpa rogelio,,terresita etc, When I brought him to usa at 3 he was speaking in 8-10 word phrases. A child psychologist from philippines was on plane with us coming to usa across the aisle. When we landed in california she asked me "how old is he"? I replied he turned 3 last week and she told me"he is very advanced"! We suspected it but heck,dont all parents think that?

Teacher, I believe your point about reading to a child from a very early age is one of the very best things a parent can do for them.

How long have you been teaching?

everybody in asia speaks minimum 2 languages. Most speak 3 or 4

We wait too long to teach other languages to most kids here. Some schools are doing something about that, but most are streched pretty thin by some of the other requirements to give it much attention.

So now you know his potential......find a way to help him reach it

Be not afraid. If the child is that intelligent he will be able to find his own way through life, no matter how hard you try to help him.

How'd you do that, Hal?

Stuck on the clipboard. Sorry. Fixed it.

I'm not the right one to teach him academics...PTSD and little patience. His mom will teach him for 4 months this summer.

You and her are separated?

she is in asia..not separated but difficulty in getting her here....so him and i will go back for awhile. Its the philipino way...its called balikbayan...many live their lives this way. Oh by the way,i just picked him up and he is student of the week although its a joke because she told me he is the go to kid which really means nothing because they are dumbing him down to their mold

Is she a terrorist?

[quote=Hal]Is she a terrorist?
[/quot..depends on how u look at it

If you want your kids to be smart, read to them. Start early and read a lot. Instead of watching TV sit on the couch and read books to them. I'm not talking children's books, but good books. My wife read to the kids about an hour a day every evening almost. She read books like the Hobbit, Little House on the Prairie, Sugar Creek Gang, Entire sets of books, dozens of books. Three of my five kids were valedictorians, the others could have been if they wanted to be. Maybe some of it's in the DNA (I'd like to think that anyway) but mostly the kids are so bright because they learned so much so early and took it from there.

Oh. Well. Tell that boy whatever the problem is, we hope he doesn't have the ask at us when he grows up, and rules the world.

I couldn't agree more Bernie. I read to my kids and now read to my granddaughter, who lives with me, every evening. The Sugar Creek Gang was one of the series we read, all 36 books. I read them classics geared toward children like Arabian Knights, Black Beauty, Alice in Wonderland, Tom Sawyer...

I'm currently reading her Heidi, a great book.

I believe it makes a difference.

Just curious but why do you all think it’s important to speak another language or two. I personally could care less if I could? My wife and two kids are all pretty successful in the business world and none of us can speak anything but English, just asking.

Below is a link discussing some values of being multilingual.

http://dana.org/Cerebrum/2012/The_Cognitive_Benefits_of_Being_Bilingual/

There are many others that can be reviewed as well. Research has also shown that there is a high correlation between the skill sets and cognitive learning of languages with math and science as both need some logical progression, practice and usage etc.

Bryce

"I want him to be with kids his age."
Certainly, find an academic setting that will challenge him, but don't put him in a situation where he has to spend all of his time with older kids. This, I believe is very important. I have an IQ of 160+, and my parents, because of heavy pressure from my teacher and the school principal, had me skip 4th grade. I was already young for my grade (June birthday) and this made me the very youngest in my grade. I ended up in elementary and junior high classes with kids who were sometimes more than two years older than me.
The results? I was always very awkward socially. What girl wants to go to Junior Prom with a guy who isn't old enough to get a driver's license?
Even though I was also physically advanced, I had difficulty competing in team sports. As a 14-year-old sophomore in high school, I was playing against guys who were sometimes five years older than me. Because of insurance laws, getting a job was nearly impossible until after I had graduated.
Some of this may sound trivial to adult readers of this forum, but believe me, these and other issues seemed like life and death to a young boy unsure of where he fit in.
For your son, please try to balance his social needs with his intellectual needs.

Another thing to consider is this: A formal school isn't always the best choice. If you look at the life of people like Albert Einstein, R. Buckminster Fuller, George Bernard Shaw, Albert Schweitzer, etc. they all had substantial periods of unstructured learning in their early years. They weren't "in school," but if they were awake, they were were learning. They were following their own paths, and learning either what stirred their curiosity or what they perceived as necessary. You can foster this self-education by providing your son with tools like a globe and an atlas, a microscope, Lego and construction sets, an abacus, all the books he could desire, pet animals, gardening tools - as much as you can afford.

Your boy is fortunate to have parents as aware and committed as you and your wife.

bits of his life