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Posted By: Osky

Did I hear correctly??? - 11/17/18 12:28 AM

On the radio some woman was whining about the wolf protections taken away by republicans today, would anyone know of this and have details?

Osky
Posted By: DelawareRob

Re: Did I hear correctly??? - 11/17/18 12:32 AM

This one?

https://trapperman.com/forum/ubbthr...e-to-lift-ban-on-gray-wolves#Post6375176

Originally Posted by Alex the dog
That is correct and great news!

Dave


U.S. House passes bill to drop legal protections for gray wolves
By MATTHEW DALY Associated Press NOVEMBER 16, 2018 — 12:16PM

DAWN VILLELLA – ASSOCIATED PRESS
FILE - In this July 16, 2004, file photo, a gray wolf is seen at the Wildlife Science Center in Forest Lake, Minn. The Republican-controlled House has passed a bill to drop legal protections for gray wolves across the lower 48 states, reopening a lengthy battle over the predator species.

WASHINGTON — The Republican-controlled House passed a bill Friday to drop legal protections for gray wolves across the lower 48 states, reopening a lengthy battle over the predator species.

Long despised by farmers and ranchers, wolves were shot, trapped and poisoned out of existence in most of the U.S. by the mid-20th century. Since securing protection in the 1970s, wolves have bounced back in the western Great Lakes states of Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin, as well as in the Northern Rockies and Pacific Northwest.

About 5,000 wolves live in the lower 48 states, occupying less than 10 percent of their historic range.

The Fish and Wildlife Service is reviewing the wolf's status and is expected to declare they've recovered sufficiently to be removed from protection under the Endangered Species Act.

The House bill would enshrine that policy in law and restrict judicial review of listing decisions. The measure was approved, 196-180, and now goes to the Senate, where prospects are murkier.

The bill's chief sponsor, Rep. Sean Duffy, R-Wis., said farmers in Wisconsin and other states are "one step closer to having the legal means to defend their livestock from gray wolves."

States should be responsible for managing wolf populations, "not Washington bureaucrats," Duffy said.


Environmental groups and many Democrats slammed the bill as a last-ditch effort by Republicans to push a pro-rancher agenda after losing control of the House in this month's midterm elections.

"This final, pathetic stab at wolves exemplifies House Republicans' longstanding cruelty and contempt for our nation's wildlife," said Brett Hartl, government affairs director for the Center for Biological Diversity, an Arizona-based environmental group.

"The American people overwhelmingly support the Endangered Species Act and the magnificent animals and plants it protects," Hartl said. "We don't expect to see these disgraceful anti-wildlife votes next year under Democratic control of the House."

Livestock industry associations representing ranchers who have to contend with wolves scaring and attacking cattle and sheep supported the bill. They said in a letter to Congress that wolf populations have recovered to the extent that the animal would have been removed from the endangered species list if not for "activist litigants" who "used the judicial system to circumvent sound science and restore full ESA protections to these predators."

A spokeswoman for the Fish and Wildlife Service said the agency is completing a review of the wolves' status in the lower 48 states and expects to make a recommendation in coming months. The agency did not take a position on the House bill.

Posted By: Steven 49er

Re: Did I hear correctly??? - 11/17/18 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by Osky
On the radio some woman was whining about the wolf protections taken away by republicans today, would anyone know of this and have details?

Osky

Osky, the bill we had been discussing in earlier threads passed in the house today. I was slow on updating them lol.

I believe the Senate will find a way to pass it. In my opinion, the House was the biggest hurdle.
Posted By: Osky

Re: Did I hear correctly??? - 11/17/18 12:48 AM

I'm shocked at this point. I'm wondering how many wanna be hero judges are salivating at the chance to be the one who derails it.

Osky
Posted By: nvwrangler

Re: Did I hear correctly??? - 11/17/18 12:50 AM

Wish they would have put bears I'm not too. Or just made it so people can't sue
Posted By: walleye101

Re: Did I hear correctly??? - 11/17/18 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by Osky
I'm shocked at this point. I'm wondering how many wanna be hero judges are salivating at the chance to be the one who derails it.

Osky



Too bad! "The House bill would enshrine that policy in law and restrict judicial review of listing decisions."
Posted By: Steven 49er

Re: Did I hear correctly??? - 11/17/18 01:37 AM

Jeff, here is the wording of the bill. As walleye related, the bill doesnt allow for "judicial revue"

Reported in House (11/09/2018)
[Congressional Bills 115th Congress]
[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office]
[H.R. 6784 Reported in House (RH)]

<DOC>





Union Calendar No. 791
115th CONGRESS
2d Session
H. R. 6784

[Report No. 115-1012]

To provide for removal of the gray wolf in the contiguous 48 States
from the List of Endangered and Threatened Wildlife published under the
Endangered Species Act of 1973.


_______________________________________________________________________


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

September 12, 2018

Mr. Duffy (for himself, Mr. Newhouse, Mrs. McMorris Rodgers, and Mr.
Peterson) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the
Committee on Natural Resources

November 9, 2018

Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union
and ordered to be printed
[For text of introduced bill, see copy of bill as introduced on
September 12, 2018]


_______________________________________________________________________

A BILL



To provide for removal of the gray wolf in the contiguous 48 States
from the List of Endangered and Threatened Wildlife published under the
Endangered Species Act of 1973.





Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the
United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the ``Manage our Wolves Act''.

SEC. 2. REMOVAL OF FEDERAL PROTECTIONS FOR GRAY WOLVES IN WYOMING AND
WESTERN GREAT LAKES.

(a) Gray Wolves in Wyoming.--The final rule published on September
10, 2012 (77 Fed. Reg. 55530), that was reinstated on March 3, 2017, by
the decision of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia
(No. 14-5300) and further republished on May 1, 2017 (82 Fed. Reg.
20284), that reinstates the removal of Federal protections for the gray
wolf in Wyoming under the Endangered Species Act of 1973 (16 U.S.C.
1531 et seq.), and this subsection, shall not be subject to judicial
review.
(b) Gray Wolves in Western Great Lakes.--Before the end of the 60-
day period beginning on the date of enactment of this Act, the
Secretary of the Interior shall reissue the final rule published on
December 28, 2011 (76 Fed. Reg. 81666), without regard to any other
provision of statute or regulation that applies to issuance of such
rule. Such reissuance (including this subsection) shall not be subject
to judicial review.

SEC. 3. REMOVAL OF FEDERAL PROTECTIONS FOR GRAY WOLVES RANGE-WIDE.

(a) In General.--Not later than the end of fiscal year 2019, and
except as provided in subsection (b), the Secretary of the Interior
shall issue a rule to remove the gray wolf (Canis lupus) in each of the
48 contiguous States of the United States and the District of Columbia
from the List of Endangered and Threatened Wildlife in section 17.11 of
title 50, Code of Federal Regulations, without regard to any other
provision of statute or regulation that applies to issuance of such
rule.
(b) Limitation on Judicial Review.--Such issuance (including this
section)--
(1) shall not be subject to judicial review; and
(2) shall not affect the inclusion of the subspecies
classified as the Mexican gray wolf (Canis lupus baileyi) of
the species gray wolf (Canis lupus) in such list.
Union Calendar No. 791

115th CONGRESS

2d Session

H. R. 6784

[Report No. 115-1012]



Here is a link to the bill

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/6784?r=1

Any bets if it hits the senate that our two senators will vote for it?
Posted By: Osky

Re: Did I hear correctly??? - 11/17/18 02:09 AM

If I recall not long ago didn't Klobuchar say she was in favor of delisting? Then again it was the re election season.

Osky
Posted By: Steven 49er

Re: Did I hear correctly??? - 11/17/18 02:11 AM

She did but now she has presidential aspirations, so who knows. Any support I had for her really slid during the Kavanaugh hearings.
Posted By: Osky

Re: Did I hear correctly??? - 11/17/18 02:15 AM

Oh now stop with the common sense. Your right tho, I lost all hope for the D side of the isle on that one.

Osky
Posted By: Steven 49er

Re: Did I hear correctly??? - 11/17/18 03:20 AM

I will say one thing Representative Peterson(D) from my district has probably done as much or more work to delist the wolves than any other politician.

Posted By: 330-Trapper

Re: Did I hear correctly??? - 11/17/18 01:33 PM

Awesome stuff!!!
Posted By: Steven 49er

Re: Did I hear correctly??? - 11/18/18 02:40 AM

Osky, here is some testimony by the esteemed Congresswoman from the metro. McCollum needs to go.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4761200/mccollum-floor-remarks-manage-wolves-act
Our Governor-elect Walz chose not to vote on the bill.
Posted By: Osky

Re: Did I hear correctly??? - 11/18/18 02:53 AM

Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Osky, here is some testimony by the esteemed Congresswoman from the metro. McCollum needs to go.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4761200/mccollum-floor-remarks-manage-wolves-act
Our Governor-elect Walz chose not to vote on the bill.



9r, what do you think that crap for brains would do with a real brain if she had one?

She sure heralds science and experts for putting the wolves ON the endangered list but fails to mention those same sources have stated the wolves have more than recovered and more than doubled what was hoped for and established as a safe number.

Osky
Posted By: Steven 49er

Re: Did I hear correctly??? - 11/18/18 03:06 AM

I don't know but as much as I love it here in MN, if it gets much worse I may have to pack up and move.

The upcoming legislative sessions are going to be a battle.
Posted By: Dirt

Re: Did I hear correctly??? - 11/18/18 03:12 AM

Originally Posted by Steven 49er
I don't know but as much as I love it here in MN, if it gets much worse I may have to pack up and move.

The upcoming legislative sessions are going to be a battle.


I Just finished a cabin on another lot for sale to Libertarians only. We don't want no two party trash here.
Posted By: Osky

Re: Did I hear correctly??? - 11/18/18 03:25 AM

Originally Posted by Dirt
Originally Posted by Steven 49er
I don't know but as much as I love it here in MN, if it gets much worse I may have to pack up and move.

The upcoming legislative sessions are going to be a battle.


I Just finished a cabin on another lot for sale to Libertarians only. We don't want no two party trash here.



What about Hedonists?

Osky
Posted By: Dirt

Re: Did I hear correctly??? - 11/18/18 03:35 AM

You wouldn't like it here Osky. You can kill all the wolves you can find, however it is hard to find any. frown
Posted By: Osky

Re: Did I hear correctly??? - 11/18/18 03:42 AM

Originally Posted by Dirt
You wouldn't like it here Osky. You can kill all the wolves you can find, however it is hard to find any. frown



Well that's not gonna get it then.

Osky
Posted By: mnsota

Re: Did I hear correctly??? - 11/18/18 04:00 AM

I will say one thing Representative Peterson(D) from my district has probably done as much or more work to delist the wolves than any other politician.

True 49er, there is a reason why he keeps getting re-elected,..common sense!
Posted By: wy.wolfer

Re: Did I hear correctly??? - 11/18/18 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Osky, here is some testimony by the esteemed Congresswoman from the metro. McCollum needs to go.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4761200/mccollum-floor-remarks-manage-wolves-act
Our Governor-elect Walz chose not to vote on the bill.

Political grandstanding to manipulate peoples emotions. This has become the hallmark of the Democratic party, not withstanding that Republicans do this sometimes as well ( just not nearly as much). The issue of Obama's place of birth is a good example. The public has always been manipulated by their emotions but seems to think that today, they are much to intelligent for this to happen, probably the case forever.
Posted By: Osky

Re: Did I hear correctly??? - 11/18/18 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by Steven 49er
I don't know but as much as I love it here in MN, if it gets much worse I may have to pack up and move.

The upcoming legislative sessions are going to be a battle.



I am currently looking. I’d like to go back to my native Montana but that state is in hyperdrive to become worse than Minnesota. I’m feeling like a lost citizen of nowhere.

Osky
Posted By: Rat Masterson

Re: Did I hear correctly??? - 11/18/18 06:39 PM

My wife and I are considering Iowa, this state sucks politically.
Posted By: FlyinFinn

Re: Did I hear correctly??? - 11/18/18 07:06 PM

Look into the free state project. However, realize freedom ain't all roses either.
Posted By: Steven 49er

Re: Did I hear correctly??? - 11/19/18 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by Osky
Originally Posted by Steven 49er
I don't know but as much as I love it here in MN, if it gets much worse I may have to pack up and move.

The upcoming legislative sessions are going to be a battle.



I am currently looking. I’d like to go back to my native Montana but that state is in hyperdrive to become worse than Minnesota. I’m feeling like a lost citizen of nowhere.

Osky



South Dakota is where I'd go. I could/would be closer to where I work than where I live now.
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