In Honor of jbyrd63's great shot and nice deer taken (Great job), I found this video of some long distance hunting shots. In a lot of them you can see the vapor trail of the bullet if you watch closely. Skip to about the 1 minute mark if you want to get right to the shooting.
I wonder how many get wounded at that range and never recovered?
Depends on how well one can detect how many times the wind changes direction or velocity between the gun and the target, especially after 400 yards. It is difficult to read any further than that. Wind direction and velocity has a greater impact on bullet path at the muzzle, but it is easier to read and then make windage adjustments from where you are pulling the trigger . Dead calm days are your friend for the kind of shooting they were doing.
And I thought 289yds with a Marlin 30~30 was long. She took 3 steps and down and out.
That is long with a marlin 30-30..... very long.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Long distance hunting. - 11/18/1812:44 PM
First shot hit ground 2/3 way second hit it's Mark. I could not judge the distance over open field. The GIS map measure function measured 289 . 295. Would not do it again.
Not a Fan at All....not a good thing for Hunting. There are enough people in this world who won't check for blood if an animal doesn't drop at 200 yards. A Big part of hunting is learning the Art of the stalk.
It's not hunting, it's long distance shooting, just because you spot a target 1000 yds out, and don't give it the chance of seeing, hearing or smelling you, how does one call that hunting in the vestige of adventure ?
Same with gophers or potguts, everyone likes to see the long shot, but it's not hunting, it's a long shot.
Just because your target breathes at a great distance does not make it hunting. Even Snipers don't call their skill hunting !
Some of you guys sound like a bunch of antis. If I'm meat hunting and the only shot is 400 yards, I would risk the shot to feed the family. Besides, I know people who can make better shots, routinely, at over 300 yards and others who can't hit the broad side of a barn if they were standing inside it. This is starting to sound more like a "fair chase" thread.
^ I bow hunt and the deer usually never see,hear or smell myself ,so by that logic Gritguy ^ above bowhunting is not hunting.. I call it long range hunting. Mans creation and skill have enabled us. Most guys dont have the skill or know their gun well enough to shoot a deer beyond 400 yards simple facts. I say fill the freezer with a long range hunting shot if your confident enough and know your weapon. So yea long range hunting you either have the skill and equipment or you dont...
Yea same thing with a spear up in a tree, just cause they can't smell you or see ya or hear don't make it hunting but it does give the sense your letting the game be on the same plane. Is trapping fur harvesting or just holding the animal in place until one arrives, apples and oranges depending on who argues for their point !
Fair chase what an oblique point, just what we teach our children, is it now gone because we are enabled ?
Just love it when people twist the thought to fit their argument instead of reading it for what it is.
This debate comes up every year just like what makes fur bearers prime, you can count on it, pro and con. Next will come , what is long range any way, just cause ya can does it make it necessary to do so?
It's not hunting by any stretch of the logic you put here that can convince me it is, so enjoy what you can do with that rifle, won't change the fact in my mind how skilled one is using it !
killing deer any way that is legal is fine with me. some hunters like to get real close. use an atlatl, spear, self bow, crossbow or pistol. for the guys that want to shoot a long way I feel the same way I do about atlatl hunters. I hope you only take shots you are confident of making after lots of practice under field conditions.
What if that person has a physical disability that doesn’t allow him/her to get any closer, and has to settle for a long range shot? Do you consider that “Not Hunting?” If so? Then I’ve been just “Shooting” for last 12 years. Where do you draw the line between hunting and shooting?
Well, I don't see how it could not be considered hunting. I bet some on here crying would take 100 yard shot at some trophy buck. Well, that ain't stalking either. you can walk within a 100 yards of a deer with little else but common sense. The only difference between 100 yard shot and what these guys are doing is the skill level.
One would not be stalking if they are shooting 1000 yds, LOL. I doubt many could do so Finster, common sense is very rare now day's !!
Yes the skill level to shoot that far is way far away from the average guy, never doubted that, however it's still not hunting, it's seeing game 1000 yds away and then shooting at it, where does the hunting part come in, oh now you say they used binoc's or a spotting scope like every one else, fair enough, when does the fair play come in that everyone here eschews to teach their and other kids/others in the name of hunting ?
I don't care they do it, never said anything of that nature, just don't call it hunting around me.
One can add into the argument any excuse they wish, there are mitigating factors for all facets of life, hunting, driving, trapping, etc. I've got no problem with handicap people doing whats needed for taking game, is it hunting not for me, it's snipering the game down, if thats hunting to you fine enough, go for it. If I had the chance to give a handicap person that shot I would , make no mistake and I would keep my opinions to my self about it, but in this media where we can debate the matter, all is on the table.
I draw the line when the game has no more fair play to move away from the shooter, distance is relative to me in ethics of fair play. Yours could be 1500 yds, mine may be only 300 or less, could be more if I felt I could take the shot, but I would not call it hunting if it's 1000 yds or better.
Like I said; Opinions vary. Whether it’s 1 yard or 1000 yards. As long as my license says “deer hunting” or “predator hunting” on it, instead of “deer shooting” or “predator shooting”. Then I will call it hunting.
License will never change Handi, it's an ethical thing, which sadly has gone the long way home any more ! Your an exception to the rule as was my boy while alive, he never got to shoot but did see game. I do have empathy for those in such situations, having been there my self !
Opinions do vary and it's a good thing, no one is taking anything away from you because you or I don't agree !
License will never change Handi, it's an ethical thing, which sadly has gone the long way home any more ! Your an exception to the rule as was my boy while alive, he never got to shoot but did see game. I do have empathy for those in such situations, having been there my self !
Opinions do vary and it's a good thing, no one is taking anything away from you because you or I don't agree !
I get people have different ideas about how they want to pursue game. Get it. However when another sportsman says that long range hunting is an ethics issue it makes me cringe. Some people do not like trapping, does that make it unethical? How about checking traps in 48 hours vs 24 hour check? How about bow hunting, £I have heard horror stories here. Is that "unethical"? Good grief, no wonder antis pick us off so easily. Why can't we just be happy that we each pursue game our own way without disparaging comments.
Yea I cringe to every time I see one take some thing out of context to try and make their point !
The OP asked for thoughts I gave mine, there was nothing sinister in that, my ethics remarks were for me, not for any one else, I thought I made that quite clear.
Why can't we voice our opinions with out disparaging remarks from those who feel threatened by them ?
It is interesting the bias and prejudice in the remarks, and I do not mean bias or prejudice is bad, because you can be bias or prejudiced to keeping the law or helping others. It is the point that long shots are not hunting. The debate point is, are these same people "trappers" when they use long distance call lures, instead of being skilled enough on blind sets? It is all psychologically what we are comfortable with in what each of us will do in being comfortable in the legal pursuit of a sport.
I am biased to hunting and prejudiced to LDS or long distance shooting, as it increases the odds of wounding an animal. That does not make LDS wrong. It is a risk level I am not comfortable with, including the reality that someone might be between me or behind what I am firing at in not noting them from the distance involved.
It is summed up best in the American government killing buffalo as it was deemed more ethical than a genocide of Indians. Buffalo Bill Cody was a Buffalo Runner in he had an ability to ride around a herd, shooting at the leaders to turn it, and killing numbers of buffalo. Most did not have that skill and instead were involved in long distance buffalo hunting as a close shot to the herd would spook the herd. The Indians took great delight in reservations in riding after beef cattle provided for them and slaughtering them. Most found that distasteful, but was it not as distasteful when the same method was employed against buffalo run until their tongue hung out. In that there was even a reason for the Indians, as doing so, would make the liver crumble to touch, and when covered with fresh gall was considered an absolute delicacy.
Snide remarks or judgments can be made about other people's activities, I am biased to hunting, because LDS does not fulfill anything in me, where an up close contact with animals does, and as I am growing older, my scoped rifles are on the shelf and my open sights on the 30 30 are more appealing, along with letting an animal go as knowing I could have harvested it is enough.
Some of you guys sound like a bunch of antis. If I'm meat hunting and the only shot is 400 yards, I would risk the shot to feed the family. Besides, I know people who can make better shots, routinely, at over 300 yards and others who can't hit the broad side of a barn if they were standing inside it. This is starting to sound more like a "fair chase" thread.
Everytime someone states their opinion Now they're called anti....Well too cotton pickin bad if many of us Old hunters say what we feel about the New long distance trend. A 400 yr. Shot isn't the same as a 750 to 1000yd. Fling. There is an element involved with Hunting that Many of us developed over a lifetime called the Stalk. If you choose not to learn these skills I can almost guarantee you will be too lazy to follow up on Every single 700yard shot. My feelings, my opinion...who cares if you Want to cry Anti !
Shooting is only a small part of the hunt,in my opinion.If you know your limitations,your shot after the stalk can be 250 yards maybe a bit more and guarantee a 100% kill,personally I feel I can 100% kill within 150 yds on big game,so that is where I start to guage the animal for the shot. I don't like hunting from a stand,I gave that up years ago.That said stand hunting is quite popular,especially with the outfitting crowd.
Lol wow.. So all hunting, trapping,fishing and any other forms of harvesting animals legally is gonna seem unfair to someone. But, there is no difference in shooting a deer at 1000 yrs 1000 miles or being 20 feet up a tree in a stand when the animal doesn't know your there it's all the same unless u scream at the the deer or elk or whatever it is your hunting to give it a chance to run away it's all unfair. People come up with these meathods and evolve as hunter/gatherers for better efficiency. Just because u didn't hike 15 miles in the rain with a homemade bow over mountains in the snow and shoot your game and pack it out doesn't mean your not ethical... right.?
That's like getting in a boat and paddling across a lake with a broom handle..and not wanting someone to use a paddle or trolling motor or an outboard. Nothing wrong with any of them and they all get u there.
Same with trapping if a strong lure works and can help u catch your numbers better or quicker nothing's wrong with that it's all just different styles and ways of doing things, and everybody ain't gonna like or have the same way of doin things as u..if we were all the same it would be a boring world.
Ethical has nothing to do with distance or how u take the animals life as long as its efficient. Its killing it and leaving it there or taking more than u need and letting it go to waist doin it just out of spite with no reason....THATS UNETHICAL...
Do I think shooting deer at 1000 yards is unethical, not necessarily as long as the guy isn't throwing "hail Mary's" out there. Do I think it's in good taste? No, I don't think it's in good taste. Setting up a shooting bench alongside the road along with a team of spotters and other onlookers doesn't really qualify as hunting imo. Shooting prairie dogs like that is another story; that's sort of an eradication program.
Well where is the line finally drawn on technology, hunting and ethics? My thinking is some things that are illegal might be ethical ie. putting down a deer on a roadway that is crippled without a license, illegal yes ethical in my view point very yes. Shooting at a deer at 1000 yards, that distance I guess for me is not a hunt and the chances for crippling an animal and not retrieving it though it might be legal for me not ethical and not really testing my skills. How about the guy in Texas that has the high fence hunting. You can be in New York behind a computer screen real time and shoot a animal on his ranch via a mechanized computerized rifle. Thank the Wyoming Game and Fish we stopped that before it got started here and High Fence hunting years ago. I guess to each there own but not allowed in this state. Same as using a motorized vehicle to hunt with laws that say you can't purse or hunt game by means of a vehicle.
There is a whole lot more to long distance shooting than just a stand or range finder, and I have seen it first hand it is impressive, and there is a long road of education and experience to get one there to do so, it's not just shooting experience, there is a lot of other factors being involved. Most who shoot game this way are quite qualified to do so, but the argument is not doing it, it is whether it is called hunting or not.
Some of you are quite off track on your understanding of the thread, which is understandable when your looking at it from an emotional state of mind instead of rationally, probably worrying that your now going to be labeled a non hunter!
What one regards as ethical is not necessarily a stone cute badge for everyone and no where has it been stated as so, so I would not be making statements as such.
Simple man you live up to your name by your example of that reply !! LOL
Lol thanks I guess.. i like it all i shoot long range and build rifles for it as a hobbie. And I love to bow hunt and trap also. I love it all anything i can do to get outside I'm in, as I thoroughly enjoy the outdoors and the privaledge to do so in our country. I see both sides of the argument and I dont think people do it to (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) off others it's just not how they like to do it and they cant keep their mouth shut and it turns into an argument lol
I think the term hunter is just a "standard" OR LOOSE TERM for all who harvest animals with weapons (legally or for purpose) since their are not sub cataglories yet like SHORT RANGE HUNTER, LONG RANGE HUNTER, BLACK POWDER ONLY HUNTER, PISTOL HUNTER, STALK HUNTER. AINT WE ALL HUNTERS?
So back on topic I believe hunting "long range" is hunting because you have to HUNT to find the animal the distance between your barrel and your target dont change the meaning of what your doin. And if u think its unethical or not hunting because of the animal not having a chance u try shooting something at 1000 yrds and you'll quickly see it's not something u just dial and squeeze off.
Got into an argument just the other day with a well know "TV" hunter over long range shooting.....its shooting not hunting, dont confuse the two. He was bragging about a rifle he had just bought that was capable of taking big game out to 800 yards. I've been guiding for over 30-years now and there is no reason on gods green earth why you should ever have to take a shot that far. Yep it can be done, sometimes, by a very few. Sometimes isn't good enough. Once you get out past 500 yards there are just to many things that can go wrong. When things go wrong you can wind up with a wounded animal, and at those distances you are not likely to get a second shot, even if you know its been hit, and its doubtful you would know. I've seen game hit much closer show no sign at all.
I've never had a hunter shoot past 300 and only very rarely that far. The vast majority of shots are under 200, and I guided sheep hunters full time for 5 years. Showing that nonsense on TV doesn't do any of us any good either. Even a non-hunter with an IQ 2-points above plant life can see how wrong things can go at those ridiculous distances.
Got into an argument just the other day with a well know "TV" hunter over long range shooting.....its shooting not hunting, dont confuse the two. He was bragging about a rifle he had just bought that was capable of taking big game out to 800 yards. I've been guiding for over 30-years now and there is no reason on gods green earth why you should ever have to take a shot that far. Yep it can be done, sometimes, by a very few. Sometimes isn't good enough. Once you get out past 500 yards there are just to many things that can go wrong. When things go wrong you can wind up with a wounded animal, and at those distances you are not likely to get a second shot, even if you know its been hit, and its doubtful you would know. I've seen game hit much closer show no sign at all.
I've never had a hunter shoot past 300 and only very rarely that far. The vast majority of shots are under 200, and I guided sheep hunters full time for 5 years. Showing that nonsense on TV doesn't do any of us any good either. Even a non-hunter with an IQ 2-points above plant life can see how wrong things can go at those ridiculous distances.
Those are sort of my sentiments. Although like I said earlier, I don't know if I'd go so far calling it unethical, but just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do it.
Got into an argument just the other day with a well know "TV" hunter over long range shooting.....its shooting not hunting, dont confuse the two. He was bragging about a rifle he had just bought that was capable of taking big game out to 800 yards. I've been guiding for over 30-years now and there is no reason on gods green earth why you should ever have to take a shot that far. Yep it can be done, sometimes, by a very few. Sometimes isn't good enough. Once you get out past 500 yards there are just to many things that can go wrong. When things go wrong you can wind up with a wounded animal, and at those distances you are not likely to get a second shot, even if you know its been hit, and its doubtful you would know. I've seen game hit much closer show no sign at all.
I've never had a hunter shoot past 300 and only very rarely that far. The vast majority of shots are under 200, and I guided sheep hunters full time for 5 years. Showing that nonsense on TV doesn't do any of us any good either. Even a non-hunter with an IQ 2-points above plant life can see how wrong things can go at those ridiculous distances.
Ok well their ain't nowhere in my state to even shoot deer at 1000 yrds. So it doesn't even pertain to me. And I guess this thread has been answered by u it is not hunting because u said so. Although I agree with most of your OPINIONS. Also their is 1 reason on Gods green earth to make a shot that far....because a person wants to. And I dont care if u have been guiding for 153 years to people who would like, that decision is not up to you! Their are people that think you shooting at 200 yrds is RIDICULOUS.
Got into an argument just the other day with a well know "TV" hunter over long range shooting.....its shooting not hunting, dont confuse the two. He was bragging about a rifle he had just bought that was capable of taking big game out to 800 yards. I've been guiding for over 30-years now and there is no reason on gods green earth why you should ever have to take a shot that far. Yep it can be done, sometimes, by a very few. Sometimes isn't good enough. Once you get out past 500 yards there are just to many things that can go wrong. When things go wrong you can wind up with a wounded animal, and at those distances you are not likely to get a second shot, even if you know its been hit, and its doubtful you would know. I've seen game hit much closer show no sign at all.
I've never had a hunter shoot past 300 and only very rarely that far. The vast majority of shots are under 200, and I guided sheep hunters full time for 5 years. Showing that nonsense on TV doesn't do any of us any good either. Even a non-hunter with an IQ 2-points above plant life can see how wrong things can go at those ridiculous distances.
My background Is similar, as are my thoughts on this.
I guess the days of “he looks like a good one, let’s see if we can get closer” are gone. Stalk free hunting doesn’t sound fun nor challenging.
So, ask yourself this, (not addressing anyone, specifically, here) should there be a law against making a 500+ yard shot on game? How about 750 yards? How about this, maybe, if you go to training and get an additional permit, you will then be allowed to shoot at game beyond 400 yards. You see where this is going?
Who and how would one enforce such a law, and why would one want to do so, things only go so far if others let them.
Should there be a law about certain open discussions because people get bent due to not agreeing or supporting others that don't care for one thing or another, see where this could go !
If you guys are saying turn off the tv its doing bad things for our outdoor life, i agree
Promoting antler hunting rather than sustainable population control. Heck i bet 90% of the time a game violation is the result of “trophy” questing. That trophy quest is not doing anyone any good
It's my belief LDH is coming. Forty years ago, Who would've thought everyday Long Distance Bickering would be a daily thing? lmbo
At one time I could hold MOST of a string in a paper plate at 500. One little flinch and it was 6 feet off. Never tried a thousand, would like to. I'd likely need a sheet of plywood as an aim point.
I've worked around deer processing. It's not pretty. In this area you cannot shoot LD. A lot of the damage is not from hunters.
Shooting is only a small part of the hunt,in my opinion.If you know your limitations,your shot after the stalk can be 250 yards maybe a bit more and guarantee a 100% kill,personally I feel I can 100% kill within 150 yds on big game,so that is where I start to guage the animal for the shot. I don't like hunting from a stand,I gave that up years ago.That said stand hunting is quite popular,especially with the outfitting crowd.
Have to disagree with you in part. SHOOTING is the biggest part of hunting. Saw a guy shoot over 15 rounds at deer standing hunting from a stand at 60 yards. First 10 was with his gun gave him my gun and he missed next 5 shots. (not at same deer) bordering a massive bedding area. I had just neck shot a doe at 150 before he took it back to his stand. So stalking ,factoring wind , sneaking, all is for not if you miss the shot.........
Fact is most hunters have no business shooting past 250, let alone 6,7,or 800 yards. Cant tell you how many hunters I've guided say they were good out to 500 or so, then completely miss at 200. Had a guy this year with a brand new $7000 Gunwerks rifle with Huskemaw scope. He had just taken that same companies long range shooting school, and told me he was good out to 500. He couldnt hit paper at 100. It was embarrassing. This fall the outfit I work for got paid for 8 grizzly bears. You draw blood you pay for the bear, and its $8500. We skinned 5 bears, the other 3 were wounded and never found, and not one bear hunter shot over 150-yards. An outfitter friend in Wyoming runs 80 hunters a year, and he says a full 50% of his hunters either miss or wound game. Those are the realities today. It never used to be that way, back when I first started in this business it was a rare to lose an animal.
I disagree J byrd.I have stalked many animals just to take a picture and hone my stalking skills.It is still hunting to me even without shooting.
Then you where NOT HUNTING you where photoing and or stalking. DNR does NOT define hunting or call it hunting if you are carrying a camera !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you guys are saying turn off the tv its doing bad things for our outdoor life, i agree
Promoting antler hunting rather than sustainable population control. Heck i bet 90% of the time a game violation is the result of “trophy” questing. That trophy quest is not doing anyone any good
Yep controlling population mode here !!! Broke out my 6mm yesterday. Soon ask myself why I put it up for my 270 LOL... Got 10 more crop damage tags to fill ...................
Well, I'll share my opinion on this, not directed at anyone in particular.
I think the distance you can stalk and approach an animal is directly proportional to your hunting skills. How many of these guys would be able to stalk to within 20 yards to make a clean shot with a recurve or longbow? That would be much more impressive to me.
Shooting 800 yards with a precision made piece of equipment doesn't impress me all that much, and doesn't take that much skill. If you have the money to experiment with these things, Its just a matter of dialling it in and away you go.
How many of these "shooters" have the skill to determine precise distances at those ranges? (Probably none). But slap up a $1000 laser rangefinder, and it will tell you. Im quite confident anyone without any sort of hunting skills could pull off these shots, as long as they have the time and money to invest in the equipment required to do it. All you have to do after that is head out for a walk and hope you can spot something within view.
I dont care how many clean kills are observed in these videos, there are probably three times as many clean misses and wounded animals that they don't show. A change in wind direction 600 yards out that you cannot see will change your bullet trajectory, possibly for the worse.
I don't think it is great publicity for hunters, as I think most people can extrapolate other outcomes of these attempts at long range shots.
I have an acquaintance who won't mention the fact that he's won " a multitude of national long marksmanship competitions against rifle shooter using my handguns ", around me anymore once I brought some salt to the table.
His "handguns" aren't handguns . They're rifles without butt stocks. They're big and heavy with customized rifle glass on them to increase eye relief.
From a technical and craftsmanship perspective , his guns are really something to see . Custom Remington XP-100's in all variants of wildcat and production cartridges. But they don't really fill the handgun niche .
Right amount of money can really increase one's skills.
Well, I'll share my opinion on this, not directed at anyone in particular.
I think the distance you can stalk and approach an animal is directly proportional to your hunting skills. How many of these guys would be able to stalk to within 20 yards to make a clean shot with a recurve or longbow? That would be much more impressive to me.
Shooting 800 yards with a precision made piece of equipment doesn't impress me all that much, and doesn't take that much skill. If you have the money to experiment with these things, Its just a matter of dialling it in and away you go.
How many of these "shooters" have the skill to determine precise distances at those ranges? (Probably none). But slap up a $1000 laser rangefinder, and it will tell you. Im quite confident anyone without any sort of hunting skills could pull off these shots, as long as they have the time and money to invest in the equipment required to do it. All you have to do after that is head out for a walk and hope you can spot something within view.
I dont care how many clean kills are observed in these videos, there are probably three times as many clean misses and wounded animals that they don't show. A change in wind direction 600 yards out that you cannot see will change your bullet trajectory, possibly for the worse.
I don't think it is great publicity for hunters, as I think most people can extrapolate other outcomes of these attempts at long range shots.
Good grief. Truly amazing. Again, we as sportsman are our own worst enemy. First of all, why would you think anyone is trying to impress you? If I want to get in the game of long range shooting it would be because that is how I want to pursue game. I want to make it clear that I am not a long range shooter because I cant afford it. Lots of specialized equipment. But I can see where it would be a enjoyable quest. I have heard way more horror stories from bow hunters and putting one thru, or having an arrow stuck in the animal and then it runs off unrecovered.. As to positive publicity for hunters, you cant be serious. What does that even mean? People who are anti hunting are anti-period. There is no sport out there that the majority of people would claim as unethical than trapping. Ethics is not in the the way that we pursue the animal, it is in the person doing the pursuing. Any aspect of pursuit will have unethical pursuers. We as sportsman should wholeheartily endorse the legal pursuit of game in whichever way we choose to pursue it, to say that one way is better than the other is nonsense.
Well, I'll share my opinion on this, not directed at anyone in particular.
I think the distance you can stalk and approach an animal is directly proportional to your hunting skills. How many of these guys would be able to stalk to within 20 yards to make a clean shot with a recurve or longbow? That would be much more impressive to me.
Shooting 800 yards with a precision made piece of equipment doesn't impress me all that much, and doesn't take that much skill. If you have the money to experiment with these things, Its just a matter of dialling it in and away you go.
How many of these "shooters" have the skill to determine precise distances at those ranges? (Probably none). But slap up a $1000 laser rangefinder, and it will tell you. Im quite confident anyone without any sort of hunting skills could pull off these shots, as long as they have the time and money to invest in the equipment required to do it. All you have to do after that is head out for a walk and hope you can spot something within view.
I dont care how many clean kills are observed in these videos, there are probably three times as many clean misses and wounded animals that they don't show. A change in wind direction 600 yards out that you cannot see will change your bullet trajectory, possibly for the worse.
I don't think it is great publicity for hunters, as I think most people can extrapolate other outcomes of these attempts at long range shots.
Not trying to start an argument here but have you ever shoot 500 yards let alone 800 or 1200?? I'll bet you haven't. It isn't easy and requires not only skill but understanding of ballistics to a degree that you probably have never even thought about. To think that just anyone can buy expensive equipment, shoot for awhile and pull off these shots speaks volumes on the ignorance you possess in this matter. Just a question here, how do you know that there were all of these misses and wounded animals? That goes for everyone on here saying that . Just because you may not have the skill level to be able to do this doesn't mean no one else has it. Maybe they never wounded an animal in their lives. You just don't really know for sure do you? There is no evidence other than your "theory and conjecture" is there? Good grief, I post a video of some amazing shots and the Fudds come out of the woodwork.... Pretty sad the way I see it.
I have experienced LDH or LDS which ever you want to call it. First off I don't shoot LD. Try opening day rifle antelope season and see where LDS or LDH ethics get a short range hunter. Everybody thinks they are proficient at long range but on that day no one was. I had blaze orange on from my belt to my cap and I had them weekend LRH shoot over me to antelopes that I had crawled to within 200 yards only to have them guys shoot at said antelopes at over 700 yards an not touch a hair on any of them....I left the field after that and have never hunting opening weekend again. The shooters in question did see me as there was nowhere to hide from them- they had the high ground shooting down hill in open country. It turns into an ethical decision as guys see someone do it on tv and think they can do the same---Most can't. That day I was using my 12 ga. slug gun as that was what I liked to use. On the flip side of the coin the LRS "different bunch" thought I was crazy for using said gun said I needed a long range gun for antelope hunting "WHY" ? I was hunting they where shooting. Just my experience with these guys that think everyone should shoot like them... Also I think as a guide on dangerous game I would put limits on distances. Easy enough to wound a grizzly at close range even easier to wound said animal out past 500 yrds. Guess if you need to shoot a grizz at 500 plus it will be you going after said animal after just wounding it. Why does your need for ego override my safety. See where this goes... I would venture a guess that 10 out of a 1000 so called long range shooter can consistantly shoot tight groups at dangerous game in real time in the field where this topic matters the most.
In the videos above where all the animals shot at recovered ? Some of the black bear videos it was a bait station with a shooting lane back to the next zip code and it seems like to me it "let's see if we can do this at 700 yrds--1000 yrds-1300yrds. what is the distance where it is to far ?
I personally think ALL pursuit of game be it hunting-fishing-trapping is awesome and everyone should enjoy it. But me not wanting to be a long range shooter doesn't make me an anti anything just because I voice my opinion against it...
I'm old school and the pursuit and closeness of said game is where it is at for me. I prefer the animal knows it is being pursued. To me that is hunting
All my black bears killed are 50 yrds or less- All mule deer killed are spot and stalk @ 40 yrds or less--Killed a mature whitetail buck in a cut corn field using the terrain to crawl within 40 yrds and take him with my bow all the while my young son watched me from the truck, when I accomplished this the look on my sons face looked like he had just seen super man. That means more to me than shooting unreal distances and to this day almost 20 years later my son still tells that story.
I zero my gun at 300 yds have never lost a deer Have a swaro with the bt turret 4,5,6, 700 yard turret marks set to my hand load and tested on the bench at each distance. if you guys dont think this is hunting come on out to the prarie. i have stalked many miles . you dont sneak up on a big old buck out here .. first of all he doesnt lay down just any old place always some where he has plenty of room to see whats coming. i feel comfortable at 500 .. 600 is ify for me . the guys that say a whitetail cant see well havent hunted many deer! I missed a deer a few years ago didnt have my range finder with they were laying on a hill side i snuck to a fence line and they were 63 posts north of me on a cross fence .. having built a few miles of fence posts were 7 steps or bout 21 ft apart... this fence looked wider apart so i guessed them 25 ft making him 525 yds.. watched him a while and decided if i could sneak east a cpl hundred yard there was a draw and id be able to sneak to a dug out and and would put me 300 or so .. Man he was nice buck had a long drop tine .. id hunted him a few times.. started sneaking east away from the deer and mind u i was behind a barb fence weeds at the fence row so a little cover . a cpl of the does busted me and jumped up.. I froze The buck stood up not alarmed .. i had shooting sticks and was steady.. i had him in the scope ... beautiful i was on my way to the taxidermist when i squeezed it off shot below him bout 20 ft short clean miss .. i went and stepped off the fence posts 10 steps.. 30 ft who the @#@$^ builds a fence with posts that far apart !!
i guess that wasnt hunting...lol not fair chase?? most bucks die of old age . most of our deer are harvested via ambush wait in a spot you know there likley to come too . sit on a hill spot the deer and stalk as close as ya can ... most of the time its not very close .. if i get my self within 500 yards im pullin the trigger .. over the years i can think of a few that were wounded by someone in our group .. but i cant think of one we didnt get.. seems if someone gets a bullet in one were able to track which way he went and get on him again . guess that becomes a advantage being in wide open .
. I know my limitations. I don't even practice past 200, so I dont shoot past 200.
Fact is as i sit here in my office, there are dozens of deer within 1000 yards of me. we just have too many darn trees. long range shooting isn't for me here.
I posted a story awhile back about my son taking an antelope in Wyoming. 440 yard shot in 15 mph crosswind. Most amazing part is how he pushed his wheelchair over 2 miles through the prairie, just that morning to stalk the buck, then pushed another half mile packing it out with me.
Yes saw a "nut" on tv one day shooting antelope and deer with a 50 cal barrett. ONLY because he wanted to kill something at 1000 yrds. If you have to have a shooting block to mount your gun to it's not hunting !!!!!!!!!!
if you can do so safely and legally, I have no issues with how anybody decides to hunt.
I don't want the game to know its being pursued - but I like to know that they should know....but don't.
most of my hunting is under 50 yards, maybe out to 100 in a few spots. the only time its getting any longer than that is if I"m sitting on the edge of a field.
there is skill involved with getting close to the game, and skill involved in making a long shot
its a slippery slope to be putting down how others enjoy the outdoors
I have hunted Antelope. Wait for the rut to get smokin hot take your buck antelope decoy with you get in between him and his does and you will get up and personal with that buck "archery". I have had them blow snot on my decoy they where that close. Talked to guys that had the buck run them over trying to chase the strange buck off. The most fun you can have hunting. Really gets the blood pumping.
If you mean hunting antelope by targeting a certain buck and taking him up close the above method works great. Takes practice on knowing where to position yourself in relation to the buck and does. And practice if you can shooting or preparing yourself for an extremely close encounter with a charging antelope buck with a bow. Can't do that at a 1000 yards.
if you can do so safely and legally, I have no issues with how anybody decides to hunt.
I don't want the game to know its being pursued - but I like to know that they should know....but don't.
most of my hunting is under 50 yards, maybe out to 100 in a few spots. the only time its getting any longer than that is if I"m sitting on the edge of a field.
there is skill involved with getting close to the game, and skill involved in making a long shot
its a slippery slope to be putting down how others enjoy the outdoors
It is a slippery slope whenever outdoorsmen and women dont work together, but its even worse to use methods that have a very good chance of wounding game that others will find later. I have no problem with LDS as long as the shooter has the ability to make those long shots. Simple fact is most dont. To many think they can, thats the problem. Bowhunters kill game in every state / province so the idea that you cant close the distance and have to take long shots doesn't hold water.
Well, I'll share my opinion on this, not directed at anyone in particular.
I think the distance you can stalk and approach an animal is directly proportional to your hunting skills. How many of these guys would be able to stalk to within 20 yards to make a clean shot with a recurve or longbow? That would be much more impressive to me.
Shooting 800 yards with a precision made piece of equipment doesn't impress me all that much, and doesn't take that much skill. If you have the money to experiment with these things, Its just a matter of dialling it in and away you go.
How many of these "shooters" have the skill to determine precise distances at those ranges? (Probably none). But slap up a $1000 laser rangefinder, and it will tell you. Im quite confident anyone without any sort of hunting skills could pull off these shots, as long as they have the time and money to invest in the equipment required to do it. All you have to do after that is head out for a walk and hope you can spot something within view.
I dont care how many clean kills are observed in these videos, there are probably three times as many clean misses and wounded animals that they don't show. A change in wind direction 600 yards out that you cannot see will change your bullet trajectory, possibly for the worse.
I don't think it is great publicity for hunters, as I think most people can extrapolate other outcomes of these attempts at long range shots.
Not trying to start an argument here but have you ever shoot 500 yards let alone 800 or 1200?? I'll bet you haven't. It isn't easy and requires not only skill but understanding of ballistics to a degree that you probably have never even thought about. To think that just anyone can buy expensive equipment, shoot for awhile and pull off these shots speaks volumes on the ignorance you possess in this matter. Just a question here, how do you know that there were all of these misses and wounded animals? That goes for everyone on here saying that . Just because you may not have the skill level to be able to do this doesn't mean no one else has it. Maybe they never wounded an animal in their lives. You just don't really know for sure do you? There is no evidence other than your "theory and conjecture" is there? Good grief, I post a video of some amazing shots and the Fudds come out of the woodwork.... Pretty sad the way I see it.
It is sad Finster.
They act like those guys just stumble somewhere and shazaam, there stands a deer at 1000yds. lol. Those guys probably put more time in scouting and shooting than the Elmers who sit on the same stump every year and shoot one with their old 30-30.
We just got them legalized about ten years ago Danny. That would be fun i think.
I don't care how anyone kills a Deer, Drive our roads and count the road-kills once, hundreds of them and it makes ya scared to drive at night. We put custom grill gaurds on all our trucks because of the rodents.
Cool video. Seems some people have not been exposed to shooting distance. Questioning if people can consistantly hit targets at 1000 yards, find a long range sportsmans club and watch some of the shooters there. Admittely 1000yds is far but its not beyond what a decent shooter and weapon is capable of. Also believe it or not very often you can watch were you bullet hits. No, not everone will check for blood but thats true at any yardage. Yes I have shot distance, with both open sights and glass. It looks like its pretty much the same weapon in most of those shots. I am sure the owner of that weapon is very aware of what that weapon is capable of.
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