MN Lawmakers Pass Tougher Gun Laws

MN lawmakers passed tougher background check laws making it impossible to sell a gun to anyone without a background check. They are still debating a second bill that would allow authorities to determine if a gun owner is safe to own a firearm without hurting themselves or anyone else.

Our governor is in favor of legalizing marijuana, but wants to raise the age to 21 to buy tobacco.

I would have never guess that MN would gone that route!!

Passed the Dems controlled house, not the Senate.

That's true. But, once the dems regained control of the house it didn't take them long to try to pass tougher gun control laws. Since republicans control the senate still, it probably won't pass, hopefully.

I assume that this pertains to private treaty sales as well?

I hear you trapper 7, but many on this site say the other side doesn't want your guns. Hmmmm.

And just how do they propose to enforce universal background checks? You would need a registry to prove which weapons were owned by whom, and when...

If UBC passes, a registry is the next "logical" step. And we already know what a registry is for.

You should be shooting and/or hanging these people already.

Mike

Make sure you keep those liberal panzies on the West side of the river.

That's a good point if it would pass. I'm more concerned about the second one where authorities can determine whether you are a threat to yourself or someone else if you own a gun and take all your firearms away.

It pertains to any transfer, including loaning a gun to a friend or your own child. Under this law, you would have to go through a background check to borrow any firearm from anyone, even imediately family. Not only that, you would have to go through a background check to get it back, legally. Absolutely ridiculous 😡

I hope all the members that voted for the leftists in the democratic party will take note and vote for the side that obeys their oath to uphold the constitution. About time to wake up and admit who wants to take our rights from us.

You are joking right? We have as many or more liberals in this state! Will not be long and the same tactics will be employed here! Only difference is Republicans control the Assembly along with the Senate here!

Chris

Imagine if the 1a rights were attacked like the 2a rights are.
1.. you are only allowed to speak your opinion while in your home. (Blue city gun laws)
2..you cannot hide you opinions from others while in public without a permit.(ccw permit)
3..you are only allowed to state your opinion 10 times cause 30 would be to many times. (Large capacity mag ban)
4..you are only allowed to speak freely in cities that allow you to. (Blue city gun laws)
the list could go on and on.

Heard the leading republican in the senate say, neither measure will be approved by the republican-controlled senate. So, it's a non-issue for now. But, the democrats will keep pushing it in the future.

I would hope this demonstration of lunacy would sink in for some of the old, staunch union loving Democrat gun owners and get them to reconsider party line voting! Not holding my breath.

Same ol' crap, the libtard snowflakes in the big city's control everything.

Well said, truth. We need a plan!

Fixed that for you. Not the same thing

Yes, if I were to give my sons some of my guns without a background check how would they know they were not theirs already unless the guns were registered? I suppose refusal to register would then be a felony where you could no longer own firearms and then confiscation would occur for non compliance. Could it get any worse than that?

There is no way that is enforceable unless they plan to have full on gun registration. They have no way of knowing who the "Official" owner of the firearm is.

I think with a little effort the Feds can figure out who bought a certain gun.

I am calling Bull. They can find out who the original purchaser was SOMETIMES. That's it. This is a common misconception. Even today if you were to purchase a gun all they ask is if it is a "long gun, handgun or both". No make, model, caliber or serial number. That info remains on file with the FFL holder. It would require EXTENSIVE research to find the original owner because everything is hard copy not electronic. Even if by some miracle the original owners name was located the person may be deceased, give them firearm away to 'someone", sold it private treaty, etc.

Thanks, my error.

I thought our past governor was bad. At least he didn't push gun control like this one is. This governor has made it clear that more gun control is necessary to stop school shootings and he's only been in office two months.

No..impossible to know every gun that was sold .

I heard and not sure if true but under this ridiculious bill that your child even though is old enough to hunt cannot be in possession of the parents gun.

Is this true?

Here is a list of Minnesota Senate members: https://www.senate.mn/members/index.php?ls=#header

and a map of their districts: https://www.gis.leg.mn/iMaps/districts/

Let them know your feelings as these bills advance.

for background sales to work they have to know who has what.
How many of your guns do you have right now that were not bought at a dealer? And that does not even matter really.
If universal background checks happens you'll be able to transfer guns manufactured before the start of UBC. No way of the Gov. knowing when it was transferred.
The law will be greatly ignored. Get caught with a gun all you have to do is say "I've owned it before UBC, I can't remember who I bought it from and when" They will not be able to prove otherwise.
All "sellers" will say "I can't remember who and when I sold it".
They have to eventually go to registration. Until they do UBC is worthless.
Mandatory registration, get caught with un-registered gun and you'd be in deep do do.
Examples will be made.

Its a way for the Gov. to control the unwashed masses. Pass enough laws and they will be able to find a violation. Step out of line and we will find your violation and off you'll go.

How can you ever prove who owns what firearm? It's a scare tactic.

Both bills,HF. 8 and now HF.9 have passed in committee. Both passed on a 9-7 vote. You can guess what letter follows the 9.

So the feds get a gun with serial number intact they look up their records to see what FFL bought that gun. They then go to that FFL and see when gun was sold, then back to their records to see backround checks from that FFL . Yet they have no idea who bought that gun?

. Yet they have no idea who bought that gun?

That tells them who bought the gun-it might have changed hands many times and there would be no record of that.

And the feds don’t have records of serial numbers. If it was a brand new firearm they COULD track it from the factory, to the wholesalers, and then MAYBE to the original owner. Anything past the original owner is a crap shoot at best.

Therefore it hasn't passed.

Ok let say 15 years from now I have a 12 year old grand son that by today's laws he can legally hunt. But I am sure he would not be legal to purchase a firearm. So by him having a gun in his possession there would be know way he could claim the gun is his.

Am I wrong on this scenario?

Maybe MN needs to have sanctuary counties, and ignore the legislature .

X2

All of us need to email representatives and demand we separate ourselves from the citidiots.

Or maybe someone should list the home addresses of the house members who support infringement of 2nd amendment rights. This would allow folks to know where they could go to have a face to face meeting with MN state representatives.

They probably have a wall securing their residence and a body guard with a gun defending them. You know a immoral unconstitutional wall.

Minnesota is now controlled politically by the Metro area, which of course are largely libs. We have three anti-trapping bills we are battling now too

Back a dog into a corner and poke him with a stick .He will soon bite!

Reality check:

Minnesota, today pretty much mirrors the Fed Govm't: House is super liberal; senate is super conservative. Yeah, the Governor is a Socialist.

The two gun bills, blessed by Mussolini, Walz or whatever his name is, passed the house. The senate says "Ain't not way". Not only are those bills not acceptable as they are; We will not accept any version of either one.

So, quit your bellyachin' Minnesota ain't goin' down that route, at least yet.

Hey T-Rex, just keep paying your taxes....you get there eventually.

whachewtakinbout,Wilber? I don't pay taxes.

You worry about North Dakota. We'll take care of Minnesota.

I see that's working out..lol

I hate to paraphrase our Fuhrer; but, it seems to me this done deal gun control thing in Minnesota is "Fake News". Outsiders, seem to be willing to believe anything.

We do have a problem in Minnesota. It seems Minnesota Democrats, much like Grumley, have a very strange process of what they call logic.

Oh lets set the record,Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison-woman beater. Minnesota Congress women IIran Omar, need I say more? Minnesota US senator Amy Kolbuchar running for President....crying of global warming while standing in a snow storm and that is just the tip of the ice burg. I'm sure lots of good people live within the state of Minnesota (I see them post on here) and I mean to not offend any of them but you folks are losing to the radical left.

Sorry, Grumley, Trump's fact checking record actually exceeds yours.

Still wishin Hillary won I see...good luck. You're so full of crap your eyes are brown.

Fact check:

T-Rex has never endorsed Hilary. Where do you come up with these things?

Then who did you endorse? seems to me you had 2 choice..

Two choices? where did you vote? It seems to me I had at least four choices, plus the write in of my choice.

As in many states the large cities are liberal and have the votes, not sure what the answer is or how to combat it. Move I guess.

how'd that work out for you?

I ain't movin". Minnesota, really needs guys like me to keep the liberals in check. Maybe we even need a few new recruits like Grumley that don't appear to know crap, but, vote conservative.

I'd move west..

No way, your fishing and hunting restrictions are way to oppressive for me..

I don't move!! I stay and fight.

Well, I only shot 2 deer, but could have shot 3. I can trap for 7 months, and it's winter for 8.

I'm with T-Rex, y'all don't move.

Not as I see it.

"I bought the Gun legally in WI from I don't remember who and I don't remember when"

If the law is for firearm purchases in MN whats to stop MN residences from going to WI and buying a gun from private seller?

No not a scare tactic it’s a well thought out and deliberate move by them, they know it is unworkable but it is a step and when it proves unworkable the next step is no doubt complete registration with stiff fines for having an unregistered gunalong with full confiscation of any others

It is a lot like Obama care they knew it was unworkable but it was a step and their next one is towards single payer health care don’t ever make the assumption that they are just being pie in the sky dreaming, you have to always keep in mind that they are playing a long game much like a game of chess where each move is in support of the end they want which is winning the game and achieving their goals

Which I don’t think any of us here on this form are going to like

Might work but I think their intent is no one to have possession of any gun without back ground check.

I agree it's a well thought out plan they have to keep putting gun laws on the table to finally break through on gaining control. They will keep pushing and in time they will win. I think it's a neccissity for all of us to ban together and get organized now to slow them down.

We could all meet and sit down and discuss ideas to counter their agenda. We could recruit and educate the public. Make videos and tell our side.

Waiting till new restrictive laws are made is stupid on our part.

It's a good thing your sold all your guns to me for $1 each a few weeks ago.

Waiting till new restrictive laws are made is stupid on our part.

Exactly!,...if we capitulate we lose,..we live in a fast and reactive world,...if we cant react aggressively,..we lose in micro sound bytes ,....we lose,..mostly,.causation because we cant counter the over preponderance of main stream media!

So, quit your bellyachin' Minnesota ain't goin' down that route, at least yet.

I would suggest had some not bellyached we would have been past that route!,...we lose when we cannot produce legitimate arguments to the contrary.
There is an alternative,..but at what point would that be applicable and sustainable?

"MN lawmakers passed tougher background check laws making it impossible to sell a gun to anyone without a background check."

Oregon did this too. LEOs say it is unenforceable.

You overpaid on some of them.

More than sometimes from what I've seen. In every mass shooting I've watched on tv, the police and media know where the guy bought the gun within hours. I agree with used guns, that's why there's a big push to get them cataloged with new sales.

Yes, in most of the mass shootings it was quickly found out who purchased the gun and where.

But the key question you have to answer is what did this prevent? It prevented nothing, it changed nothing, it exposes the stupidity of background checks.
Back ground checks are meant to stop people already convicted of felonies from buying a gun.

The whole argument about gun control is not about public safety. Its not about preventing Murders. Its about the Gov't controlling you.
If you think its about preventing murders answer me one question, if you want to prevent murders why don't we just make murder illegal?

I bet all the fellons are scared to death. They are going to have to start taking a background check.

Got a question ,What happens to other peoples guns who live in the same household as this Red Flag person. Lots of people have relatives and inlaws living with them that cant have guns for the same reasons listed here ,seems a lot of people will be affected by the red flag rule

I don't know this for a fact, but as I understand it one or the other has to be gone. So guns are gone or the flagged/felon is gone.