1000 Coyote Year

Curious if anyone has ever done it? Heard of ones for coon and muskrat but not for coyotes

An entire year yes I've heard of it. ADC types. Just the fur season I haven't heard of that.

Still planning on doing it as a solo endeavor. I've done it as part of a team , incorporating several methods, but never by myself and trapping only.

That'd be a tough finish line to cross. Fur season typically isn't long enough. Say you had three months of "good" pelts.... you'd need an average of better than 11 coyotes each day, every day to get to 1000. Whew. That's a lotta family units.

And you wouldn't add to the numbers much with ADC work because predator control aspect isn't about big numbers per se.
As an example, I have traps in the ground now (as I do about 8 months a year) but I'm actually trapping for specific coyotes that need to be culled versus running miles of traps on a fur line after various coyotes.
This current ranch has a pair of dogs as near as I can tell that maraud about once a week, killing game species about once every two weeks. They need to go asap. Trouble is typical in the ADC sphere.... owner/rancher has had repeated trappers and predator callers in and outta here after these coyotes for about 5 months... and now I'm hired. You talk about tricky doggies. They were giggling in the bushes as they saw my truck and trailer pull in I swear.
But I will show them a coyote!! Or two if the Lord is willing!!

I checked my spreadsheet for a solid year (2018) where I trapped 326 coyotes in 8+ months;
50% came in 5 weeks on a fur line...
And the other 50% came from 7 months of ADC jobs.

You need to be a fur trapper for the numbers

Mark

You would have to have the coyotes to do it. I think it would be pretty tough for one person to do right now. I think it could be done though.

Some of the Government guys had pretty big numbers years ago.

There are several in the plains of Canada that have been there or dang close. Corse their season is longer than ours in the lower 48 too, which helps immensely! Like Mark pointed out, to maintain an eleven yote a day average through even a sixty day seaso would be superhuman, and with the current numbers of yotes in this country in all the good coyote hatcherys would be basically impossible! At my age , I am very happy to maintain a two to three a day avg during the times I'm trapping, but used to do better that tat when a lot younger!

Marty Senneker from Canada comes to mind.

Yep Mike, he was one I was thinking of. He has been within spitting distance of that number several times! Makes two or three hundred sound like childs play, but we all know how much work that is. Larry is spot on, and it will be long after the present boom on yotes before anyone gets close to that number again!

I know of 2 guys that have hit the 700 mark and routinely do 500 . But the question I have Is Why would you want to LOL

It seems to me that trying to get to those numbers would take most of the fun out of it.

Pud Long from years ago I believe hit once for came close

Beav, I don't always agree with you, but we are lock step on this one! Numbers don't mean as much as they used to, we got nothin to prove anymore!

I'm thinking if you started in North Dakota early in the season and worked your way south doing 20 hour days for 5 months you might have a 50/50 chance. Lol

Mike

Not possible in the south. I've heard of a trapper or two that made it to 300 plus in a year.....not fur season. I ran at very hard when live marketing a few years back and didnt break 100...caught 87 in 60 days. But that was while working a full time job too.

You would most likely have to state hop to pull it off. The number of hours per day that would have to be invested to get to those numbers would also take a few years off your life.

1000÷20=50

Never said it'd be easy. Lol

Craig O'Gorman has to over 1000 a year several times. Robert E Long = Pud Long did in 1942. Frank Martain out of Texas did it once I think. Chance Groom did one year of 1000 coyotes too i think

I have to agree with Swamp Wolf 100% NOT possible in the south . Last year from Feb 12 th to Oct 14th I caught 307 coyotes. To MY knowledge , I run some of the largest tracts in the state of Alabama. I have around 70,000 acres in 1 county. AND I trap in about 14 counties total. I will say I average 150 traps a day . Run from daylight till 4 or 5 pm some days. 80 to 90 miles of windsheild time on some jobs.Every day. Its tuff, in the hot weather, dont see how ANYONE could break 1000 in south even if he had ALL the land he wanted, specially with 24 hour check laws in most states

Daily checks should bring the numbers up, a trap with yesterdays catch still in it can't catch another. In a contest you might ought to go to twice daily checks. Windshield time is time wasted, mop up an area and move camp.

A guy that catches and processes over 600 in a 2 1/2 month fur season shouldn't have too much trouble knocking off another 400 in the remaining 7 months of a year. I think it goes back to the question of "who wants to?" or "why would any one want to?"

If you put up enough money or other reward, I bet several could do it this year. Guarantee $100 per head up to 500 coyotes and $200 per for the next 500 and $500,000 for the first winner and you will be surprised at how many coyotes you will buy.

It seems to me it would be more efficient to have several lines with maybe 2 and 3 day checks. The big number guys are trapping these feed lots where their knocking down 10 + coyotes at a time. You have 10 or more feed lots set up It won't take to long to put up some big numbers.
But you would have to state hop and do ADC work In the summer. And of coarse you would have to get paid decent money per head.

That answers the why.At fur prices and with the added work of put up, the incentive fades after a certain effort is used. take away the weeks of skinning and scraping and pay enough, the incentive returns. You can hit numbers pretty quick by dennig in areas that you didn't trap. Multiple states isn't new to the numbers guys in any event.

Beav you crack me up. Not everybody traps feed lots. Many use simple bait stations.Numbers are merely how hard a guy works over a determined amount of ground and population density in that area.

x2-he is the only guy I have heard has come close up here in Canada.He runs snares only from what I have heard.but Alberta also has the population to catch huge numbers-so does Saskatchewan some years.

X2. Met a guy from on here recently that catches 200+ in 2 weeks on his vacation from work. Dont believe he traps feedlots from talking to him.

I don’t know, but with those numbers one might melt the sheaves out of ADC’s skinning machines, with the speed and work it would do.

My God, and I worked my butt off one year to hit 44.
I feel so small now compared you guys!
Jim

Anyone know what doc (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman)'s best season is?

Local 'ol fella by the name of Carl Stearns has knocked down over 300 in less than a month trapping Texas.

I guess I didn't realize a last name was a swear word! Went with a D after the N.

I would have to see this happen lots of wind in them prairies .I am old and set about 25 sets or less my average is like 2.2 per day of trapping a 10 mile by 30 mile area . When the snow gets over a couple inches and the wind blows it dwindles to a handful a week not even 1 per day Then comes the Ground pounders and the Houndog chasers and I pack up!

His best is a lot Dave. A lot!

I knew it was a lot Steven, just don't know if its a grand or more. Is it?

Marty was going to break a 1000 one year but his truck broke down so when he got a new one his numbers went way down, scent off his new carpet is what he figured happened.
that was when they were worth 50 bucks not 150 like now and a lot of others are in the works now.
It does take a walk in semi trailer freezer to handle the take, to catch up after the season.

That's the way to get that job done.24 hr. checks or twice a day checks would be a absolute joke and a waste of time on a long line here in the north country.

If a midwest county was 35 miles x 35 miles, you'd only need to take one coyote per square mile in the county and you gotcha 1,000.
Seems easy enough.

Anyone that would even suggest twice a day checks on a coyote line reveals their knowledge of lack thereof.

Yeah..it dont seem too out of reach when you figure it like that...

Maybe check #1 is when you drive in and check #2 is again when you drove out

Didnt think about it like that. Must be some active coyotes there...😃

100% correct.I trap for fur but also have a animal nuisance control business.Fur is about numbers,,nuisance work is about getting rid of specific animals.For me,the nuisance work usually pays off better with less work.Plus,with my nuisance control license,,I can do that all year around.

That may be true but If feed lots are available you better be trapping them . I never said they would be only trapping feed lots.

I talked to a long liner and he was running 300 traps. And was running 3 day checks. Not sure what his daily average was.

Give me a fur line any day!

I've been after a pair of dog-gone pair of killin' coyotes on this 280 high fenced acre ranch for 6 days now and still no rattle of a chain. Toughies!
Maybe momma is on the nest right about now? ADC work is not a numbers game unless your denning and such. One-sie, two-sies and such. Sometimes more after all the trappers who charge little to nothing have a whack at 'em.
When the pups pop out end of June, you do have puppies everywhere, in every trap. Not sure if that counts?
Regardless, when it's about 100 degrees in the shade, the sun block and bug spray keeps me "juiced" up.
Love it.

1,000 coyotes @ $100 per decent hide average = $100,000 a season.
That'll buy yas gas
Beats mink trapping
It'd take 20,000 mink @ $5 average = $100,000 a season
That's all the mink in IL, IA, and both Dakotas combined

The fun part about nuisance work is when your NOT the first one they called to solve the problem.Nothin funner than getting to try to catch critters that a bunch of yahoos have already educated.

When you consider some of the ranches that Marty S had signed up for in Alberta that's a drop in the bucket.

Beav it's not the feedlots.....it's the summer range lands where the cows die on the prairies and the coyotes make trails to them. That where his developed snare shine....closed down on a coyotes jugular.


One thing about new drones is they can find these jems hidden on the prairies big time.

if you have permission on all of those sections.

The way Alberta is set up, once you are signed on private land with your licence you are the sole trapper. Some of those spreads are larger than what you could think.

Not true. No limit to the amount of folks that can have permission.

I couldn't even imagine skinning that many. I know once I got to about 100, i puked just a little bit everytime I saw another coyote in a trap.

Some landowners only allow one person per spread so nobody can point fingers at the other guys there.

Skinning, fleshing, and stretching 1,000 coyote a year wouldn't leave much time for trapping.

Fleshlng and stretching can be put off until later dates. Skinning with a machine speeds up that process. Would it dimes Nish the catch if the trapper sold in the round?

A thousand coyotes most likely could be done in a fur season if the stars aligned and the right motivated trapper took advantage of those conditions.

I don't know about a full season, but since he can't speak for himself on here. He did post regarding this post on another site he's done 600+ in 5 weeks. By himself on 24 hour checks. I guess that makes some of those 300 guys in 8 months look well....silly.

I know, I know he probably trapped a bunch of feedlots, and he surely wasn't out to catch the last two dogs on the property. Even though in reality he probably did it a number of times in those five weeks.

"Makes the 300 guys look silly"?

Really?

That Bob fellow must be your hero WadeRyan?

The Georgia guys that caught 300 cant be compared to Kansas.......

Right over your head Swamp... I don't see anywhere in my comment where I mentioned Georgia....Not my hero by any means but he's a guy that's not afraid to tell it like it is. He's also given me multiple tips that have proved beneficial without selling me anything. He also produces the best (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) a guy can get his hands on in my opinion. Oh well in the grand scheme of things it really doesn't matter.

I mentioned 300/year guys from Georgia earlier in this thread...so I assumed, being you didnt make the distinction that you were talking about specific trappers, that all comments were inclusive....

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You know what they say about assumptions. I guess I just figured when people make claims such as "#1 Selling Bobcat Meat Paste Bait in America!" you'd expect more than 163 coyotes caught in the same time frame fur trapping with access to those kinds of products. Ol Christmas tree farmer can catch 3.5 times that in the same time frame...makes a guy scratch his head. In reference to your worries no I was not talking about Georgia trappers.

Once again...I "assumed" you actually read the entire thread.....

...but it appears you were just calling out one guy that makes a bobcat meat bait.....

600 in 5 weeks lol, the older he gets the shorter the time frame is, and it's always by himself on everything !

Are you implying he had a partner?

LOL

I am sure his carcass pictures are still floating around.I consider Bob a friend.

That guy that did 800 coyotes in footholds in Canada ,,, kudos to him that quit the feat ,,,in conditions and regs they also have .
Well done

17 plus coyotes per day average is stacking em up. And to maintain that kind of average for over a month....that's impressive.

A southern trapper will work like a field mule to maintain a 2 to 3 coyote per day average over a couple months.

1000 coyotes isn’t that hard, the hard part for most is taking 90-100 days off from life to do it. The biggest catch I personally know of this season was 650 in 75 days and 450 in 22 days. I have no doubt these guys can catch a 1000 coyotes given the time.

I am lucky that I got to ride with Bob the year he made his 600 catch. It was quite the experience. He caught 64 in the 4 days I was there. At that time I introduced him to a skinning machine!

Souther trapper has wheels, bob lives in Indiana but that isn't where he caught the 600 in 5 weeks.

600?


That's our paradigm?


what are the known catches in this universe?

Seben

You know somebody putting more than 600 in the truck in 5 weeks Marty? Gas station stops not included.

Swamp Wolf,

He's referring to me .

But having done my Predator Academy in Kansas, I can tell ya that Dorothy and her little dog coulda caught a pile there cause they got 'em.

It not worthwhile to compare trappers as I've trapped 18 states and the concentration on dogs in those states varies greatly. Greatly.

Bob from IN is determined no matter what he goes after. He's a bit more confident than most are used to and that rubs some the wrong way but Bob and I have been associates in the trapping biz a good long while. He sets his mind to it to this day... it'll get done I'm sure.

I've noticed one thing about almost all trappers that have caught more than the average on any species - they respect fellow trappers who have busted more than the average (by far) hump to put a pile of critters in a fur pile. It's the dudes and dudettes that don't catch much thinking the other way around.

I remember one weekend some years back there was an IN state convention I was attending and Bob had his trapper get-together that same Saturday. I decided to stop by Bob's after the IN day had run its course and trappers wondered if we were gonna get into a brawl of some sort. What?? I pulled up, Bob walked over, grinned a big grin, and handed me an adult beverage. Had fun that late afternoon as a matter of fact. Very nice tree farmer/vet/trapper.

High density or not... They don't jump in the truck and traps don't bed themselves. For those inexperienced trappers just go to Kansas and catch a pile ,for those reading so easy even Dorothy can do it...

Tons of Trappers trap multi states, worth while to compare season end catch #'s. Lets not sugar coat hard work by saying , but but it was Kansas.

When you have a Big Ego its hard to say " That guy is a better trapper then myself." Or " The man out works me every year."

Easier to say "Well.... It was in Kansas anyone can do it!"

Should change your name to "Big E." LMAO.

Guys making these huge catches have to have an unbelievable work ethic. That being said I will never believe those catches were made running 24 hour checks. No matter the numbers they are dealing with. The numbers just don't add up. Not in any way saying this to slight anyone-these guys certainly have my respect!!!

I would expect every student of that trapping academy to catch as many as June cause he takes their money and shows them everything he knows about coyotes,lure,bait,really easy so I can assume when done,you and students are on the same level. No one being better than the next,all equals cause you were honest and told them everything. If I touted a big ego,I certainly wouldn't tell I caught 326 and took 8 months to do it.

Dang, you guys are hard on Mark....

..do I sense a little jealousy?

Bob whose last name can not be spoken did his 600 in 5 weeks on a 24 hour check whether you believe it or not. All the guy in KS doing large catches are doing it on 24 hour, it's the law.

And to add to 49er.........only the winter weather shuts it down at 5 weeks.

That Hey Bob video guy was piling em up, very entertaining.

Time for a contest?

I'm curious about what #s you're using that dont add up.

It's only 14.2857143 a day for 35 day's or .5952381 an hour for 840 hours for 500 in 5 weeks, in the right conditions, a pretty good trapper could do any of the large numbers mentioned here, one would not have to be any recognized "superior" trapper, and there are a lot of them out there who choose to not be recognized for a slap fest about who can do it or not. Doing it on a consistent level year after year would be more of a story than just one season !! Any ones records could prove it if they chose to really prove it besides a jabbering contest ! Without that it's just a he/said , she/said thing.

Location of the targets with a great population is the main ingredient to success. Discipline in your efforts would make a major
point to success as well. Not every state can provide this on a continuing season, not every person is as dedicated as are others either, seasons are different as well. Just to be fair to an older feller who can't stand to not beat his own chest !

I wanna shake that mans hand, he had to of had a skinner a cook and a driver and be a master at time management.

....And you have to have a bit of humor to read my posts as I would NEVER slight another trapper. I never have and never will. Period. Paragraph.
A trapper with 100 coyotes that catches 90% is as effective as a trapper that catches 900 outta 1000. Numbers baby numbers as much as location son location.
Didn't say it's easy in the areas of high density, just makes it more do-able. Nothing easy in trapping when it comes to running and gunning.

Just the thought of trapping a thousand coyotes in a single season makes me tired. As stated with a daily checks it would be real hard, with more lenient laws it would be more doable. If a trapper could set for 3 days before he checked with a large population with access to the right locations and do the commercial rotation and stay at for 3 months, If the weather didn't shut him down . Guess I just talked myself out of that one LOL.. If ever there was a time to hit that goal, it would be now.. Good Luck

Good grief, ND, why would you want to put such a well reasoned and polite post on a thread like this! And then of all things, you want to get back to the original post! Man talk about a buzz killer! Thank you!

I killed way over a 1000 coyotes one year but then realized I was still in my jammies. Oh wait or did that happen in one night? Lol

Bob whose last name can not be spoken did his 600 in 5 weeks on a 24 hour check whether you believe it or not. All the guy in KS doing large catches are doing it on 24 hour, it's the law.[/quote]

Bob whose last name can not be spoken did his 600 in 5 weeks on a 24 hour check whether you believe it or not. All the guy in KS doing large catches are doing it on 24 hour, it's the law.


Sorry---you will never convince of that!!!

Well you are wrong, lots of guys make big catches on 24 hour checks. I have one customer that Caught 450 in 22 days on 24 hour check, another 650 in 75 days 24 hour check, another 700 in 90 days 24 hour check. That’s why very few guys can do because very few guys can wrap their head around it.

It's not our fault you can't think outside of your box l

He didn’t take anybody’s money. We paid him and it was worth every last penny. Mark, Donna, and Rusty worked their butts off every second we were there. 10-12 hours of instruction a day. Ive been trapping 30 years, and learned a lot. I’m grateful for the opportunity, and will check his and Rusty’s names off my list of great trappers and gentlemen that I’ve learned from and had the pleasure of meeting.

ND FTA well said!!

I think it’s hard for people to wrap there minds around because most people don’t have the time, willpower, and coyote density to get it done

English runner Roger Bannister broke the 4 minute mile in 1954. At that time, it was generally thought that it was not possible for a human to run a mile in under 4 minutes.

Following is a quote from Roger Bannister:

“It became a symbol of attempting a challenge in the physical world of something hitherto thought impossible,” Bannister said as the 50th anniversary of the run approached, according to the AP. “I'd like to see it as a metaphor not only for sport, but for life and seeking challenges.”

By the way the current world record is 3:43.13

A little off topic here but on 24 hr checks how many coyote traps can a guy run in a full day. I know there are a lot of variables. But what's a big number to the guys making huge catches. Ball park. 100, 150 ,200 or more. One man by himself.

Most Americans dont think that way anymore.

Your right Phil, More people saying "it cant be done" than trying to prove it can be!!

I don’t know if you could by running just footholds, but with a lot of snares, high density, it would be a lot easier, because you can set snares faster and reset faster if knocked over vs resetting footholds.

Question is how many traps do you need to run to make the daily average you are shooting for. One guy is averaging almost twenty a day, another guy averages four a day both running same numbers of traps.

First thing I would need is an area with 1000 coyote.

Stickler for details!

1002....you have to leave breeding stock.

There are places out there.

Luckily you live within driving range of every coyote in the country. Even better is you don’t need to cover the whole country to find 1000 coyotes. If we assume an average density of 1 coyote per square mile, there are 31,400 coyotes within 100 miles of you.

Wow, such an interesting thread!!!

And my login still works!

953 top season years ago, few people trapping/snaring
907 second, years ago
867 tho this season in just a smidge over 3 months. Killed all but two in snares, all with Magnums and prototype Super Magnum Stingers. Super Magnums... YIKES!!! Snaremen EVERYWHERE

Total basically done w snares the past two seasons, a couple shot, but I aspire to get some steel back in the ground next season, make a DVD and cause quite a stir! I do a few things a little unorthodox-ey. Is that a word?

I still aspire to kill 1000 in a season, is very doable, but side businesses have been interfering. I promise not to hunt whitetail next season! And do some steel trapping before the ground freezes.

So no thousand season yet... I need to repent of my slothful ways!!! Hate to say it again, but I have BIG plans for next season!!!
(btw, the nice lady at NAFA in Winnipeg claims I'm OCD???)

I think that's close enough. Lol
My hat is off to you. That is amazing!

Good luck Bad Dog, better make a lot of waxed dirt. Keep thinkin outside the box sir..

Really like your stingers Marty.