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Gun seizure In California. 1000 guns

Posted By: NE Wildlife

Gun seizure In California. 1000 guns - 05/09/19 01:03 AM

Did anyone see the news clip on this?
Not sure how to attach links but it was a pretty impressive
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Posted By: ebsurveyor

Re: Gun seizure In California. 1000 guns - 05/09/19 01:07 AM

You can read about it here:

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Posted By: Snowpa

Re: Gun seizure In California. 1000 guns - 05/09/19 10:08 AM

So now you see how it will all come about ,Some guns if he wins will be damaged and some will be lost !
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Gun seizure In California. 1000 guns - 05/09/19 10:27 AM

I think the word is stolen not lost Snowpa. The public according to LE (if the article is accurate) is not in any danger. So the only victim, once again, is the person that is arrested. Gives a whole new meaning to shall not be infringed.
Posted By: HobbieTrapper

Re: Gun seizure In California. 1000 guns - 05/09/19 10:44 AM

"On a tip", think that liberal across the street is minding their own business?
Posted By: 330-Trapper

Re: Gun seizure In California. 1000 guns - 05/09/19 11:25 AM

Unreal how things get twisted
Posted By: WadeRyan

Re: Gun seizure In California. 1000 guns - 05/09/19 11:31 AM

Land of the free...until you have something the government decides you can't have anymore. I got to experience eminent domain this year as the state "paid me" for use of about 25 feet of my yard for a walking trail. Luckily, all they wanted from me was some green grass. I had neighbors that had to move sheds and fences 2-5 feet. I'm the end house with a 40 acre open field owned by the city, but they didn't want the city's land.
Posted By: jeremy_424

Re: Gun seizure In California. 1000 guns - 05/10/19 02:25 AM

Originally Posted by WadeRyan
Land of the free...until you have something the government decides you can't have anymore. I got to experience eminent domain this year as the state "paid me" for use of about 25 feet of my yard for a walking trail. Luckily, all they wanted from me was some green grass. I had neighbors that had to move sheds and fences 2-5 feet. I'm the end house with a 40 acre open field owned by the city, but they didn't want the city's land.


That ground is actually owned by the school district not the city.
Posted By: WadeRyan

Re: Gun seizure In California. 1000 guns - 05/10/19 02:27 AM

Originally Posted by jeremy_424
Originally Posted by WadeRyan
Land of the free...until you have something the government decides you can't have anymore. I got to experience eminent domain this year as the state "paid me" for use of about 25 feet of my yard for a walking trail. Luckily, all they wanted from me was some green grass. I had neighbors that had to move sheds and fences 2-5 feet. I'm the end house with a 40 acre open field owned by the city, but they didn't want the city's land.


That ground is actually owned by the school district not the city.


Either way why not buy it from another government type entity rather than make ordinary people uproot and move their sheds/fences 5 feet? I mean it's an empty corn field...no work to be done but lay the concrete. Yet they come 25 foot to the West and tear up yards. It's a crock and if they decided they wanted to build a road through my house tomorrow I'd have to sell it for what they deemed appropriate. What it comes down to is you never really own anything. You rent it until the government decides they don't want you to own it anymore. Period.
Posted By: tlguy

Re: Gun seizure In California. 1000 guns - 05/10/19 02:40 AM

One article I saw said he had an FFL but was selling firearms illegally. Will be interesting to see how this pans out.
Posted By: Law Dog

Re: Gun seizure In California. 1000 guns - 05/10/19 03:12 AM

Might be more drama then anything else but then you need to consider that everything is illegal in Cali but drugs and Illegals!
Posted By: Sheepdog1

Re: Gun seizure In California. 1000 guns - 05/10/19 04:14 AM

you hit the nail on the head Law Dog.
Posted By: Wesley

Re: Gun seizure In California. 1000 guns - 05/10/19 04:51 AM

Illegal firearms sales ought not to even be thing in my opinion - govt shouldn't have any say in what kind of guns we own, how many, who we sell them to, etc. And if a felon can't be trusted with guns he should still be in prison.

Anyway, the way they were treating a fine old Colt Python in one of the pics I saw nearly made me cry.
Posted By: James

Re: Gun seizure In California. 1000 guns - 05/10/19 07:57 AM

"It's a crock and if they decided they wanted to build a road through my house tomorrow I'd have to sell it for what they deemed appropriate."

Not strictly true. Government is supposed to pay you "fair market value," the theoretical amount that a willing seller would sell to a willing buyer.

Of course, government doesn't follow its own rules half of the time, and often tries to screw property owners. If that happens, you have a Fifth Amendment right to a jury trial on the value of the property taken. Usually, you cannot stop government from taking the property, but you can contest their valuation.

Jim
Posted By: jtg

Re: Gun seizure In California. 1000 guns - 05/10/19 10:34 AM

Eminent domain should never be used for parks and trails, stolen from private property owners. Not only do they steal private property, they do nothing about the trash and crime that comes with it.
James, you can contest it, however we have to pay for the legal fee's to fight it. The local government official, of course does not. Most government officials will do anything to get a vote. So if the public could take a farm or a ranch for a park and a trail and it would help a government official get elected, they would do it in a hard beat.

Sometimes your not a willing buyer and don't want to sell for any price. What if a family has a farm for generations there is no such things as "fair market value"
Posted By: WadeRyan

Re: Gun seizure In California. 1000 guns - 05/10/19 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by jtg
Eminent domain should never be used for parks and trails, stolen from private property owners. Not only do they steal private property, they do nothing about the trash and crime that comes with it.
James, you can contest it, however we have to pay for the legal fee's to fight it. The local government official, of course does not. Most government officials will do anything to get a vote. So if the public could take a farm or a ranch for a park and a trail and it would help a government official get elected, they would do it in a hard beat.

Sometimes your not a willing buyer and don't want to sell for any price. What if a family has a farm for generations there is no such things as "fair market value"


Not everyone is a lawyer like James....honestly I have enough on my plate I'm not going to contest it James. Doesn't make it right. All those walking trails do in my opinion is make a nice place for the drifters to walk between cities without worrying about getting hit by a car on the highway. Now I'll have one literally 10 feet off the siding of my house on what used to be a nice corner lot. Caught the DOT lady checking out the property lines one day, and I asked her who would be responsible for mowing the portion of my yard that was acquired...I won't say bought because it wasn't really at all voluntary. She told me "well the city will be mowing it, but the project won't start till August." I told her the grass was going to be awful long by August...she drove off.
Posted By: loosegoose

Re: Gun seizure In California. 1000 guns - 05/10/19 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by WadeRyan
Land of the free...until you have something the government decides you can't have anymore. I got to experience eminent domain this year as the state "paid me" for use of about 25 feet of my yard for a walking trail. Luckily, all they wanted from me was some green grass. I had neighbors that had to move sheds and fences 2-5 feet. I'm the end house with a 40 acre open field owned by the city, but they didn't want the city's land.


Two weeks after we moved into our home, I went outside to find some guy pounding stakes into my yard. Asked him what's up, and he informs that the city is going to be moving the street 17 feet (17 feet!!!) closer to my house. The streets didn't line up, and apparently there's been a few accidents there, so they decided that the best move would be to realign the streets. Heaven forbid they just make it a 4 way stop, it already had a stop sign in two directions. Front yard is 100 feet long, so they took 1700 square feet of my yard, along with three trees, two of which were awesome ancient locust trees, and only gave ,e two in return, one of which died. I also used to have some fancy steps leading to the sidewalk, they wouldn't rebuild those because apparently the walkway up to the house had to be ADA compliant. The best part? It was all in the right of way, so even though it's my yard, there was absolutely nothing I could do about it, and didn't get any compensation.
Posted By: Steven 49er

Re: Gun seizure In California. 1000 guns - 05/10/19 11:12 AM

Who owns the existing right of way in your city?
Posted By: loosegoose

Re: Gun seizure In California. 1000 guns - 05/10/19 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Who owns the existing right of way in your city?


Apparently the city does. For most of the city, the right of ways are 66 feet, 33 feet each way from the middle of the original road. But in the older part of town where I live, the right of ways are 100 feet, 50 feet from the middle of the original road. The right of way didn't move when they moved the road, it's stays in it's original spot. So even though it's "my" front yard, the city apparently actually owns part of it. (and no reductions in property taxes either, even though they took yard and trees and such, since "our" property didn't change, even though obviously the value of the property changed. We asked.)
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Gun seizure In California. 1000 guns - 05/10/19 11:47 AM

If you are responsible and pay your own way you are punished. Work hard, raise a family buy a home. Do any improvements and you get to pay more tax for the effort. You also get to pay a tax that allows you to do the improvements. (you need permission from the government to improve anything you "own") Pay tax on everything. Cell phone, utilities, any purchases at a grocery store, hardware store, gun shop or auto parts. Pay tax on gasoline and real estate. Actually keep about half of what you earn.

If you are irresponsible and stay drunk or high, never hold a job and sleep all day you get rewarded. Pay no tax, pay no rent, pay no medical bills, pay no utility bills. Get even more money every time you pop out a kid. Get to vote for people who promise you more free stuff.

If a corporation wants your property to build a mini mall government sets a price and you get kicked off.

For the life of me I can't figure out why the number of people living in "poverty" keeps increasing
Posted By: waggler

Re: Gun seizure In California. 1000 guns - 05/10/19 02:25 PM

This guy was most likely selling these firearms to gangsters and other sorts of riff-raff. If that's the case I have no sympathy for him; it's guys like this that make it hard on other gun owners.
Posted By: Catch22

Re: Gun seizure In California. 1000 guns - 05/10/19 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by waggler
This guy was most likely selling these firearms to gangsters and other sorts of riff-raff. If that's the case I have no sympathy for him; it's guys like this that make it hard on other gun owners.

He was released on a 50,000 bond and not charged with a crime as of yet lol, this is Cali. I for one won't jump to conclusions and will wait until this goes through the courts.
Posted By: tlguy

Re: Gun seizure In California. 1000 guns - 05/10/19 03:20 PM

It's Commiefornia, what are the odds he ever gets those guns back if he isn't found guilty? I didn't get a good look, but I would bet some of the AR-style rifles aren't properly registered as assault weapons or otherwise modified to be "featureless".
Posted By: trapper234

Re: Gun seizure In California. 1000 guns - 05/10/19 03:36 PM

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Posted By: Steven 49er

Re: Gun seizure In California. 1000 guns - 05/10/19 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by loosegoose
Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Who owns the existing right of way in your city?


Apparently the city does. For most of the city, the right of ways are 66 feet, 33 feet each way from the middle of the original road. But in the older part of town where I live, the right of ways are 100 feet, 50 feet from the middle of the original road. The right of way didn't move when they moved the road, it's stays in it's original spot. So even though it's "my" front yard, the city apparently actually owns part of it. (and no reductions in property taxes either, even though they took yard and trees and such, since "our" property didn't change, even though obviously the value of the property changed. We asked.)


Homeowners erroneously think the ROW is "their" yard and property when it isn't and never was.
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Gun seizure In California. 1000 guns - 05/10/19 08:15 PM

If you live in town and don't mow it then it is yours and you will be ticketed if you continue to refuse to mow.
Posted By: waggler

Re: Gun seizure In California. 1000 guns - 05/10/19 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Catch22
Originally Posted by waggler
This guy was most likely selling these firearms to gangsters and other sorts of riff-raff. If that's the case I have no sympathy for him; it's guys like this that make it hard on other gun owners.

He was released on a 50,000 bond and not charged with a crime as of yet lol, this is Cali. I for one won't jump to conclusions and will wait until this goes through the courts.

That doesn't surprise me; probably an illegal alien or something like that. Pretty hard to detain criminals in CA. If it were some honest schmuck who just made a mistake they will probably lock up to make an example out of him for the rest of us honest folks.
Posted By: loosegoose

Re: Gun seizure In California. 1000 guns - 05/10/19 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by Steven 49er

Homeowners erroneously think the ROW is "their" yard and property when it isn't and never was.


I'm aware that the city actually owns it. (now I am at least, the realtor said the right of way went to the sidewalk, and we didn't have any reason to assume she was wrong) That doesn't make it any better. I still call it my front yard. Anybody who has a front yard calls everything from the front door to the street "their" front yard, regardless of where the right of way is. You don't say "honey I'm gonna mow the yard, and while I'm out there, I'll mow the right of way too." Just because they own it doesn't make it suck any less to lose 1700 square feet (17 feet closer to the house, by 100 feet long) of yard, plus three trees.

Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Gun seizure In California. 1000 guns - 05/10/19 09:27 PM

Here in KS you do own the right of way. The public has right of way. The public can be there without permission of the owner. Likewise the owner doesn't have any say in what the government does with it. You are allowed to pay property tax on it though. And keep it mowed, limbs cleaned up etc. If the government decides to relinquish right of way all control is supposed to go to the property owner. So when the rail roads gave up rail lines here the state decided to turn them into hiking/bicycle trails instead of returning them to landowner use. Of course bicycles are still allowed to be a road hazard on highways and city streets. We never see them on the railroad right of way trails the state has spent millions on.
Posted By: grisseldog

Re: Gun seizure In California. 1000 guns - 05/12/19 11:50 PM

Never
Never live in a town or city.IMHO
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