Iran

I apologize if this is considered political. I saw earlier today that Iran had detained (highjacked) a couple of British flagged oil tanker ships in the Straight of Hormuz.
Do the Brits have the stones to deal with this? If not, who does? It seems to me Iran has been pushed to the point of no return and they are desperate.
Obviously we cannot allow these folks to have nukes but where does it stop?
Zim

I have a feeling a plan is in the works

Let the freakin Brit's deal with it man. These European countries need to earn there keep, we shouldn't be the worlds po po. Wait patiently until it darkens our threshold and then pound them. The Brits are in turmoil like Germany and France. They bad mouth us but when the rubber meets the road they say, hey buddy can you help us out. Screw'em, we should stay out of it and put the proverbial proof in the pudding on those wankers!!!

Yup

I agree on all the above.
With Iran targeting US and British tankers lately, it's going to get ugly. If the US strikes you can bet the red coats and the UN will condemn the US

Hope it is a good one.

Zim

Iran likely already has Nukes,and likely realizes this is the best time to start a war after seeing the US turmoil,politically and racially.They likely feel if they can start a war with the USA that the USA will implode from within triggered by the economic strain of such a war.

Iran would probably love for us to spank them so they can play the victims like Hamas does.

I think we exchanged fire with them a few days ago? Shot a drone or something

LOL, Trudeau must have you all up there censored like Kim Jong Un lol. Liberals lol.....

Potus Trump won't cave to Iran pressure like Obama did
If any of these dems become potus the US will crash hard then Iran and ISIS will take advantage.

Do not worry, the Canadian Navy will paddle there boat over their and give them what for.


Zim

This used to be my philosophy too. I have changed my mind in the last several years. I still don't like that we are the world's police force but...somebody is going to be in charge and if it's not us, it's going to be somebody else. The only somebody else's who are big enough to do it (if we step aside) are China or Russia. I don't like those choices.

And, as much as I hate fighting little wars all over the globe, it's made us really, really good at war. China's advantage is that it has 4x the number of military aged men to throw at a war. Fortunately, we're still better at it. We got that way by doing it a lot. War stinks. Not being ready because we're out of practice stinks too.

Still, it is hard to know what the best course of action is.

Ain't none of our bidness.


Yet.

First thing Iran would do would be to block the Hormuz then the price of oil and gas would skyrocket.
Might be good for the price of fur if you believe the fur pundits.

The Brits should definitely take the lead on this, it's their ships after all. The U.S.A. however should not abandon their allies. We don't have to commit men or money but to help in intelligence would be no problem.
IMO the invasion from the south is of much greater concern for the true supporters of our Constitution and the Republic it governs.

WE are really good at war, lol, true history since WW2 would convey that BS. We need to let the rest of them protect their interest and let it go till we have no choice. And another thing, we need to quit creepin. When darkness comes to our door we need to stop being sissy's and pound'em. Can you look at a Nam vet plus years in the eyes and not drop your head?

NO. The Brits don't have the stones to deal with this. They can't even deal with the enemy in their midst in parts of London.

IMO......Iran grabbed the UK flagged tanker to put pressure on the Brits to side WITH Iran against US sanctions. It is my bet that it will work.

The Iranians know what will happen if they grab a US flagged vessel.......they don't want that and neither do we.

I think Boco could easily be right about Iran already having a bomb. Consider that Iran is a much more literate and advanced society than the Norks.. We know the Norks have a bomb. Why would Iran be so far behind technologically ?

Remember that the Brits are a NATO ally..............wouldn't it be better to deal with Iran on Iranian soil than elsewhere in the world ? I don't want to see us in another war but in this case it is inevitable... it seems to me. Better now than later.

Yes Zim we will stand with our allies as we have in all other wars from day 1.And you may not remember the last time you got in a bind in Iran who helped you out.
Although it would not surprise me,even though the brits seized an Iranian ship for violating American sanctions if the USA did not support her allies.(going by Trumps previous dealings with NATO)

CTW...Coon Trappers for War.

I respectfully disagree White.

About which part Catch ?? It doesn't have to be respectful

Britain said they are not looking at military options but are seeking a diplomatic way out. But international waters have to be respected. Another words lets see if the U S won't do something first.

Exactly !!

Lol, I know it doesn't, The respectfulness was directed to you man. I don't believe Iran even thought about the Brit's siding with them against US sanctions and thinking it will work. Even in the current climate the UK knows without us being the big bad brother they would be overrun. I don't think that Iran is reasoning about anything now, they are just hoping to stay afloat as it were. I do agree with you as far as it is inevitable that we clash, however we should put the hammer of Thor to them from the get go and not repeat past mistakes.

Yup I was just reading that. It seems this capture comes after the Brits blocked 3 tankers last week.

Sink them bass boats they have and go from there next it will be the party barges!

You could be right but......... from my reading inside the financial markets....the thinking is that Iran does not want war but IS counting on Europeans to take sides against the US sanctions. And.......as it happens......that is what Europe is doing. Working with Iran, John Kerry et al to circumvent those sanctions

Agree about the Hammer of Thor...if we are going to do it.............do it right or not at all

If the Europeans are doing what you believe then shame on them again for saying oh heck, come save us. I realize it's squirrly over there, but should we not let them with their Royal Navy to correct things. John Kerry does not represent America in the least, he's a tool and recognized as such by the lions share. I say stay the heck out of it until American citizens feel it, then pound'em.

I don't have a problem with your approach but what about our "ally" undermining us diplomatically ?? Maybe we should spank them too............AGAIN !

I won't disagree with you there, a spanking is long overdue. It's time to show the world is is not? However I mean SPANK!

Ally has lost it's meaning today, need to reign that back in.

The worst enemy the US will soon face is the progressive socialists of Europe. Supporters of this one world government have already warped many Americans with their promises of welfare for all. Sooner, rather than later, we will have to stop them or lose our identity as a nation.

Keith

It helps; and is perhaps the reason Iran done it; is that Britain currently has an Iranian oil tanker in custody for possible sanction violations.

The brits are too busy getting stabbed to death in London
Right now but we are the country with a problem

Yup

Trump won't let Iran use terror in international waters against allies in an effort to defeat our sanctions!

He won't let us loose like that. I'd bet Doesn't matter if ship has our flags or not. Its inevitable! You want something bad enough your gonna get it. Looks like those crazy tin cup dictators wanna die?

They are absolutely outta control!

I've seen reports that Trump polls more favourably in Europe than their elected officials. Because he is a nationalist that puts his country 1st. My point: I think he will also use this opportunity to pit down the Commie leaders Europe as well by showing them what real leadership is. Their is a movement to put down the Commie and islamic ideologies across western civilization. We have seen it with the election of trump and brexit twice.

There is more at stake here than just oil.

UK is not an ally. They are just bidding their time.

Russia, China and Britian are the biggest dangers in the next 100 years.

US should throw principles out the window, buddy up to Iran and use them as a proxy to control the region. Iran has probably done less harm to America than those Saudis

I am not trying to hijact this post, but I have a question. How is it none of these tankers are able to defend themselves from being hijacked?

It seems to me a half dozen well armed men could easily protect a tanker from being hijacked.

Well, I have limited military experience but a half dozen guys against a couple - 3 gunboats and a helicopter likely would not turn out all that well.
Now, if they had a couple of those 30 mm gattling guns it would be a different story.

Zim

Maybe for an hour, before it was opened again.

This is the same crap the Muslims did to is during the barberry wars!

And if my memory serves me correctly? That war never ended! It was a war against islamic tyranny. So, give the Marines back their leather necks and turn them loose!

Iran says its seizure of British ship a ‘reciprocal’ move https://onenewsnow.com/ap/world/iran-says-its-seizure-of-british-ship-a-reciprocal-move

Iran's seizure of UK tanker in Gulf seen as escalation https://onenewsnow.com/ap/world/irans-seizure-of-uk-tanker-in-gulf-seen-as-escalation

Iran says it seized two oil tankers in Strait of Hormuz https://onenewsnow.com/ap/world/iran-says-it-seized-two-oil-tankers-in-strait-of-hormuz

The Saudi's and our oil companies have us doing their work for them in keeping Iranian oil out of the market. I think we will find a "reason" to start a war with Iran.
Will we never learn to mind our own business?

Another war over something that isn't our problem sounds like a great idea.

IF we go to war, make congress declare war. None of this "undeclared war" bullpoop. Make em go on record as either supporting it or not, so we know who to vote out.

Folks that scream "Death to America" and are developing nuclear weapons is not a problem?
I must be missing something here.

Zim

One way or another we will have to deal with Iran.

Iran will get the Russians to send support for them and that will tie our hands just like it did in Syria just put a few Russians here and there and not much we would do then!

Also, oil at 150-200 a barrel is not going to be a good thing for the global economy. That sounds like a problem for everyone

I doubt if the Brits will get into a costly confrontation that they cant afford.
They will give back Iran its oil and will get theirs back in return,thus de-escalating the tensions.
Then they will likely stay out of the Trump sanction policework and let Trump do it himself-The USA can police their own sanctions.
As far as hormuz,a few oil tankers scuttled in the main channel and some mines,and it would be closed for good.
No commercial ship would get insurance to travel there.And big oil companys wont take the risk.
Once that happens escalation involving the Saudis is inevitable.(Saudis also have Nukes as well as Pakistan)

With this calculus we should start a war with North Korea too. Instead we exchange love letters.

You may be right Keith. Saw in the headlines where the German Chancellor Merkel feels 'solidarity' with the Anti-Semite Omar. History repeating itself???

Went through this with Iran in 1987-88 on my last cruise on the USS Forrestall operation Earnest Will escorting Kuwaiti tankers. Our F 14's would shred their boston whalers with 20mm hei.
J

Merkel is as dumb as all the ragheads she is letting into her country. That's a ready made tinder box right there! And yes, history always repeats it's self!

I would like to see a War Tax paid by all Americans every time we go to war. If that is done politicians would be a lot more careful about deciding which conflicts they decide are of benefit to this country and her people.

North Korea, thanks to President Donald Trump, is now for the most part doing what we want them to. Iran is not. Anyone who watches, reads or listens to the news should know this.

Keith

I would guess most Americans already know that our taxes pay for our wars. Taxes are what provides most of the US budget.

Keith

With this calculus we should start a war with North Korea too. Instead we exchange love letters. [/quote]

No, in my honest opinion there is a chance to come to an agreement with North Korea.
They are just holding the world hostage with the little bit of might they have.
A country run by a bunch of deraigned Muslim fanatics is a whole different story.
Sit by and see what happens, you should be safe in Oklahoma.


Zim

Only if you watch Fox News

Our taxes don't come close to covering the US budget every year, we have a spending deficit. The deficit/debt used to be a big deal amongst conservatives and republicans, I hardly ever hear about it anymore. Wars add greatly to the deficit and debt, if everyone had to suffer financially the "do their part", it might make some hawks think twice about sending young men to die every time someone does something we don't like.

British tankers. Iran is ruled by IslamoMarxists in the Baathists. The Baathist were created by France to rule in Syria. Saddam Hussein was a Baathist. For the record, the Iranian Revolution was British sponsored to remove the CIA's American Shah who booted out the British regime. Ayatollah Khomeini, was a British subject, as his father was an Anglo. There are photos of him in a suit and tie.
Jimmy Carter initiated his NSA Director Zbigniew Brzezinksi's radical Islam doctrine in Iran, to fight the Soviet Union, who had invaded Afghanistan.


That is the background on Iran, except that Iran has a treaty with Russia for mutual self defense. Iran if it is attacked, Russia has legal authority to assist Iran in defense.

Iran has been goading the United States to attack for a number of years. If you examine British policy, along with American financiers, they have been trying to start a war with the Russians, in order to gain control over the Russian natural resources again. Russia has not taken the bait.
The reason Iran wants America to strike is Iran can and will survive an air war. Iran has very rough country which would make an invading army bleed. They have WMD's and superior Russian defensive weapons. An American Vietnam in Iran or a defeat, would restructure the entire Mideast, including the position of the Saudi's and the Israeli's. Saudi Arabias Sunni regime would probably collapse.

The British as in the two previous world wars, have positioned America with the French to take on Russia. That would be a mistake, as war would shatter eastern Europe, the United States and leave the British and French in control again.

Keith is correct in the problem in the world is the emerging Socialists of central Europe. The Germans and French overthrew the EU elections for two incompetent appointees, which the people did not vote for. Angela Merkel though is not the problem. She has some serious health issues. The person the Germans are looking to is the Austrian Sebastian Kurz, who is a leftist and in his tenure as Chancellor of Austria and President of the EU, he outmaneuvered Donald Trump across the global board in treaties with Japan, Africa, China and South China, along with Russia.
The EU is moving hard for a dictatorial centralized federal state. A rule like this will supplant the United States in time due to the emerging consumer market of Africa, as the United States is focused on China which the data shows is dying out because of age within 30 years.
It is in a number of nation's interest to draw America into a conflict with Iran. As Iran keeps poking at the United States, it is logical to conclude that they will bring the pokes to the American shores which will leave not any alternative.

North Korea did 17 missile tests in 2017. Thanks to President Donald Trump, North Korea then went 522 days without any missile tests at all. The test in May was of a short range missile not prohibited by Kim's own self moratorium on testing ballistic missiles.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/arti...6/why-north-korea-testing-missiles-again

Keith

There's a subject that the U.S. and our so called allies don't want to deal with. Biological weapons is the one thing that the whole World is unprepared for. Iran possibly has the most advanced Biological program in the world thanks in part to the U.S. and friends. When the U.S.S.R. broke up Iran swooped in and bought everything they could get their hands on with no competition as the rest of the world worried about the Nukes. It was like a yard sale for them picking up equipment, agents, vast amounts of research and even scientists for their programs. The U.S. and the rest of the world would have no defense against a modified biological agent until it's released and even then it could take a year or more to develop a vaccine and millions of lives. It is estimated that if three agents were released at the same time the WORLD population may be reduced by to 80 percent in a matter of months. If its four agents then you are looking at game over. People we don't know what they have developed and of all the countries in the world they are the number one country would use it! Think about it something you can't see and could take 7 to 10 days to show symptoms and all the people you come into contact with in that time. You say nuke the whole country. They have positioned these agents in other countries, maybe even in the U.S.. It could be as small as a ball point pen taken into an airport to be released and in minutes it is headed around the planet. So if you think the U.S. and its allies are afraid of Iran then you better hope so.

Our taxes don't come close to covering the US budget every year, we have a spending deficit. The deficit/debt used to be a big deal amongst conservatives and republicans, I hardly ever hear about it anymore. Wars add greatly to the deficit and debt, if everyone had to suffer financially the "do their part", it might make some hawks think twice about sending young men to die every time someone does something we don't like. [/quote]

Interesting that you say that. I see on the news that Nancy Pelosi called the Treasury Secretary just yesterday regarding the importance of raising the debt ceiling.

LOL zim

Iran is apparently preparing for war by refitting their navy vessels with glass bottoms so that they can keep an eye on their air farce from day 2 of a conflict. Clever little sheet heads.

I see the advanced thought there.
I truly hope Israel has some outdated ordinance they need to dispose of.

Zim

Not even close to being close to a fact for our wars.

Hahahaaa all we have to do is tell Isreal handle the middle east the way you see fit,,grab a bag of popcorn and turn the TV on.

The reports all show taxes as where the government of the US gets most of it's money for expenditures.

https://www.mercatus.org/publicatio...ere-does-government-get-money-it-spends?

So where do you believe the US gets it's money for military expenditures?

Keith

What does our military do if they ain't fighting?
Still got to be somewhere.

Zim

Grackle would just as soon the US just roll over on their back and not try to defend itself.

Wars as of late have been paid for by deficit spending.

Why?

Kinda our own fault. Take a country and give the spoils of war back to them..... minus the payments to the political players.
If instead we used the spoils of war to pay for the war, we would be sitting in a much better position fiscally.

Not at all. But we do need to stop using our taxes to be the global police. Our kid's kids will never get our current war paid for.

Yeah....like go home and rejoin the civilian workforce.

I guess what I meant is all those fine men and women signed on for is to defend our country.
So they train, practice, for what? I think the job description was pretty plain.
I suppose it is way more expensive to deploy and pay more in combat pay and so forth.
I thought that what our military was for, I do not want a war at all but have always thought
that military might, along with a strong hand would be the best deterrent for such.

Zim