Mitch McConnell and gun control

Ol' Mitch says the Senate is going to discuss gun control in September. He says he doesn't want to recall senators now because that will just cause partisan fighting, and he wants to actually get something done. He says the one thing the Senate can't do is fail to pass something. Better start stocking up I guess.
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Like I said in another thread, republicans are tripping over each other trying to pass something to the left to appease the left. They totally forget the right whom they are supposed to support. Maybe one day we'll have a true conservative party....maybe.

They gotta do something.The staus quo is unacceptable.Ordinary people so scared shirtless of being gunned down that they stampede at the sound of a sign falling or a car backfiring.

there has not been a vote, yet...relax!

Do something, even if it's wrong? I give McConnell more credit than that.

Who said anything about doing something wrong?
They should be smart enough to figure something out.
People cannot live in fear like that in a civilized society.

I've contacted my senators and representatives and let them know where I stand. Will wait and see where they stand and whether they'll get a vote from me.
Need to contact my President and let him know how I feel too.

I don't believe most people are running around scared shirtless of being gunned down. That's what the media would have you believe. I live in one of the most heavily armed states in the country and it's also one of the safest. It's media wishful thinking.

What about all the gun laws in California and how they did nothing to stop that stabbing? 20,000 unconstitutional gun laws already on the books, but one or two more will definitely make a difference.

Its a tough problem alright.
Its so bad there now other countries are issuing travel warnings about visiting the US.
I don't know what the answer is,maybe Posco has a point,make it mandatory for everyone to be armed to the teeth,sort of like a local version of mutually assured destruction.

I have no fear (living in the country) but i am concerned about my safety in certain parts of the local cities -- why don't we eliminate guns for city people they don't need them anyway? When they get that mess cleaned up then you can talk about other "solutions" if you need to (but you won't need to). They have all the laws on the books they need to do the job-- but they don't do it. why? We do not have a civilized society (and i hope we never do) Is it fear or fear of having to respect others that we are talking about -- a great deal of fear is unjustified.

Same here. Arkansas ranks 2nd nationally for gun ownership. I've known the sound of a gun since I was a child. Signs falling, cars backfiring,etc. may startle you but gunfire has its own distinct sound.

All these gun control laws only serve to remove/restrict guns from otherwise law abiding citizens. I haven't heard a single politician talk about solutions to getting guns out of the hands of gang bangers and drug dealers. They account for a majority of the shootings anyway.

Whatever it is the politicians so far are unable to solve the problem.

Boco -- Politicians never solve problems. They just pass them down to the next elected official. They have been so far removed from reality that they cant see past the next campaign contribution.

Well they have to do something one way or the other with the public demanding an end to all the mass shootings for years now.If Trump is a good leader he should be able to come up with a solution.If not he will likely lose the next election.

I live in a part of the US where it's not uncommon for people to have at least one gun in their vehicle many times more. I can count on my hands the murders in this town since my existence. The guns aren't the problem. It's all politics and it's what will ruin this country. I say make sanctuary states where guns are illegal much like the illegal immigration, and let the people that don't like guns live there. I bet they don't last long. You could start with New York and California.

Tell TRudeau to do somthing -- do you think he will listen?

I don't think guns are the problem.people here have lots of guns also,I carry a couple in my vehicles all year round,and so do many other people in the North.They are a common tool like a chainsaw,or 4 wheeler.
Guns are definitely not the root cause of mass shootings.It is some kind of a culture problem in the states I believe.Something to do with overcrowding perhaps.Cultures clashing.

Correct, but the media portrays these isolated mass shootings as status quo and every day life which feeds into the mass hysteria. Interestingly, here in America that isn't every day life and there's a lot of places you don't fear for your life daily like they'd like you cannucks to believe. You want to do something to improve the issues in the US with people stampeding because of a back fired engine? Start with the media that sensationalizes these issues for political gain. I can't say I have ever woke up here in America and thought wow I might get shot on my way to work today.

Exactly -- nothing more than a tool however the city/rural divide is huge and getting bigger.

I did have to snark a little bit when I saw a flash up of an article in California with the knife wielder/s going on a rampage. It's too bad people had to die but I think that pretty well proves if people want other people dead they'll find a way regardless of the object used. I don't get the news anymore period. No cable, no newspaper. Often this is about the only time I read any kind of news is on trapperman. It's made my life a lot more peaceful.

Three mass shootings in one week?
I don't think any media is misrepresenting anything here.
Ignoring or denying the huge problem wont make it go away.
And yes it is not the gun,it is another deeper problem in your society.

We can have all the gun control they want and the madness will continue. If you sell a gun to a crazy person that they've known was crazy since high school or they can;t buy one and get one anyway it will continue. The places in the U S with the toughest gun control have the highest gun violence rates by far. Chicago alone has had over 300 gun deaths this year. Heck they had 7 murders this last weekend. They also have some of the toughest gun control in the country. Real solutions start with separating these nuts from society when they are identified not after they they have committed an awful act. When criminals leave society for committing violent acts keep them separated. Guns are not the problem crazy people and those with no respect for life are the problem. Nobody says anything about fireworks or gasoline and diesel fuel and good old amonia nitrate fertilizer. Hope these nuts never figure out I E D's. After 5 direct hits and over 10 indirect as a gunner on a humvee I can assure you it is a fun way to spend the afternoon. Let's fix society. As long as it is acceptable to take what you want without punishment.Kill and walk away. Drugs and homelessness are normal. The family and raising your kids to be productive adults is a fairy tail for the most part. The welfare state is alive and well. And a judicial system that is a joke and TOTALLY broken. I bet if you read all the current laws and actually were able to enforce them all the way through the court system a lot of this madness would end. Actually holding people accountable for their actions ( There's a new idea). I can see why our LEO's are so frustrated it's got to be like digging a tunnel to nowhere. Put the blame where it belongs. On the liberals that don't want to hurt any ones feelings and don't want little Johnny or Suzy to fail school or loose a sporting event or have to make the grade to get into college. As long as they normalize sub par and pay peoples way that have never contributed anything to society. These problems are going to exist. Case in point. Had an ICE raid here yesterday. 680 illegals arrested at multiple processing plants and all I've heard is whining and crying about the cruelty. WHAT ? I guess it's o k though because in every one of the areas targeted 10% or less of the working age people are employed. So how are they getting food and shelter. I was taught that an empty stomach and sleeping in the elements with the bugs is a good motivator to get you up and going. JMO

Boco that's an every weekend occurrence in Chicago. They had 50 shooting victims and six killed just last weekend with arguably one of the US state's with the most restrictive gun legislature. You don't see that plastered across the media. So yes the media is mis-representing it. Everything the media is portraying is why firearms are the culprit, when in fact it has nothing to do with the guns. You're intelligent enough to pick that out.

There is a big difference between thugs killing each other,and mass shootings of innocent people in schools malls,etc.
When innocent people get killed going about their every day business there is a problem-3 in one week.
You should be intelligent enough to grasp that difference.
Most people likely don't give a crap about felons involved in criminal activity killing each other,unless some innocent bystanders get shot in the crossfire.
But I agree that is a problem too,albeit a totally different one than mass shooting of innocent people.

I don't know maybe I am just crazy but to me there's no question what the "deeper problem in society" is. This country went down hill when people began to believe they were entitled to everything for nothing. Political correctness and the inability for people that carry this country (the working class) to have their voice heard has resulted in a nation of lazy pigs. I've always been a big believer in Darwin and I'll tell you it's well at work in the world today. Politics and laziness are the two "deeper problems" that no one seems to want to tackle.

Who said anything about doing something wrong?
They should be smart enough to figure something out.
People cannot live in fear like that in a civilized society.


People live in fear every night in most major American cities... every night!,...they don't frequent their parks. They don't stroll nighttime sidewalks. They call their children in at dusk.
And some want to remove their last remnant of security!

You think those "thugs" just live in houses with each other? There's children, wives, parents, and grandparents all in those neighborhoods too that want to live a normal life and get gunned down in the crossfire. Thugs can't breed with thugs Boco.

Let me be perfectly clear,I repeat I do not support the theory that guns are the problem.There is a deeper problem in society,and guns are just the most efficient tool available to do the job that these sickos wish to carry out.
I believe the problem is overpopulation,and a clash of cultures.

I disagree. There's much better ways to carry out mass casualty with little to no effort, but I don't need a visit from the Feds. Any questions look to our friends in the desert. I already outlined the deeper problem. Gun control has not one thing to do with it other than to buy votes.

Are you thick,who said anything about gun control.Guns are just the tool of choice by the mass killers.If they could not get guns they would use what they could get.The reason they use guns is that they are readily available in society.Why go to the bother of making a bunch of kettle bombs when they can just go and buy an AR or AK.
The problem,I repeat for the third time is not the gun-it is some deeper sickness in society driving these people to commit mass terror on their fellow citizens.

The gun grabbers dont want to admit it's a mental health crisis because that doesn't follow their anti-gun agenda. Our entire healthcare system is so fubar it's no wonder these wackos are shooting up malls and schools.

Kerosine and pigshit will destroy on a massive scale but takes a lot more planning and likely some co-conspiritors.More suited to feedom fighters or organized terrorists than a loner from his mommas basement thinking he can save the country.

There is no immediate or easy solution. The Dems orgasm over the very idea of taking all of our guns. Neither the President or Mitch should give an inch, because it won't matter in the long run. Evil is always going to be in the world and gun control will not stop it. The victims in these shooting are like sheep with no option to defend themselves. I don't remember which incident it was, but the one where the neighbor was armed with his own AR made a big difference in the out come. That is the answer!

Trumps leadership ability's will be tested now,and his re election depends on what he will do.He will have to do something,people in cities cannot live like that,stampeding at the sound of a vehicle backfireing in fear they are going to be shot to death.
Sounds like living in Iraq.

In reality, they really are isolated incidents in the big picture with life here being safer then any where else in the world. The far left press has as it's goal to make it seem otherwise

I disagree,3 mass shootings in one week is not made up by any media.There is a huge problem.
If that is seen as normal then the problem is much worse.

The whole democratic outcry is for gun control so you don't have to say anything about gun control it's written all over the wall. If there wasn't an election coming soon this would already be forgotten and they would be focusing on some type of collusion. It's just a feel good message the democrats are running crazy with. The deeper sickness in society as I've already repeated for the third time is the politicians themselves and the media. They're simply feeding on fear to promote their own agenda's. There's plenty of time for mass shootings before the next presidential election. I personally don't think Trump's re-election will be based off actions or inaction at this time.

I agree with that 100%.

Trump if he is a leader needs to do something and gun control is not it.

Don’t agree with the media part, but the problem is best described as an inverse relationship to the atomic bomb.

We drop it, and since that day world wide War and genocide has been decreased by 10 fold.

Take God, The Ten Commandments, Dads, and Families our of the picture and 10 fold is what you get.

What would you propose he do Boco? He's blocked just about every direction he tries to go? He could propose war on LEO like the last commander in chief.

The time to start stocking up was 3 to 4 years ago. Prices have been at record lows and inventory falling off the shelf. A complete AR15 could be had for around $300 and 9mm ammo at $.17 a round. Anyone who saw the gun/ammo panic of 2012/2013 should already be "stocked up ". Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice......

Wade I don't know the answer.I just believe if he has good leadership skills he will come out a winner at the next election.
If he goes the gun control route he will alienate his base and lose the next election.
If he does nothing,there will be the fence sitters and likely some of his current supporters that will abandon him and he will lose the next election.
He has to come up with some kind of solution that will encourage his base and also be enough for the fence sitters and weaker supporters to have faith in his leadership.
I see it as a crucial test of his leadership skills.I pay no attention to the lefties who are against everything he does,and he should not worry about them either.

I used to hunt ducks. I was limited to three shots in my magazine.
I was stationed in West Germany on a missile site. My M-16 clip was limited to 20 rounds.
Why does anyone need a 30 round capacity clip in an assault rifle?
And why does anyone need an assault rifle unless they want to kill people?
There are better rifles for less money.

You'll get your answer when dawn comes to the eastern time zone.

Not to be rude, and I hope your just trolling, but so much ignorance in your post.

My M16A2 fired from a magazine, not sure how yours fired from a "clip".

An assault rifle has full auto capabilities and is restricted in the US except for Class 3 license holders , and the weapons themselves cost $15,000 to $40,000 in todays market. Military style weapons are semi auto and are used for hunting, target shooting, collecting, and home defense.

It's not about "need", it's about my constitutional right to own a firearm. If not 30 rounds , 20 ? 10 ? 5 ? who decides ?

I'm sure the 6 million Jews killed in the Holocaust or the 20 million Russians and Ukrainians killed in the 1920's and 30's would be good examples of someone who "need an assault rifle". You don't "need" a car to get to work, you can ride a bike, much safer for other people, right ?

"Better" how ? Guns are like tools each has it's own purpose , right tool for the right job.

Love this reply !

Well we have seen this kind of mass hysteria before. People get all wound up by news stories and start screaming for the government to save them. What happens is less liberty. No one is any safer than before they agreed to become less a citizen and more a subject.

Fear resulting from the Valentines day massacre gave the NFA. Fear of the Black Panthers gave us the gun control act of 68.

Clintons semi ban came after a school got shot up

I expect a national registry. Semis will become a class 3 firearm. IF we go along with it there will follow a national registry of ALL firearms and a licensing program including tax/fees to pay for it all. NRA is going to tell you its for your own good. Time to appease the left so they will allow you to keep your grandads shotgun.

Not only is fear being fostered in the unarmed nervous urbanites its being fostered in gun owners. We are about to be told again, that this new bill does not violate your right to be armed. That instead it protects your right to own them. That this slight inconvenience will make people safer and allow you to keep your guns.

You will be told to go along or lose your guns to government confiscation.

Danny if my R-Senators go along with it, they'll lose my vote and I've let them know that. Hopefully gun owners in other states will do the same. The fear of being relieved of their power/notoriety is a powerful motivator. They lose their base and unemployment is sure to follow.

A politician's Number one concern is reelection. They will go which ever way they see as their best for reelection. Right now they are all looking to see which way the gun control winds are blowing.

I'm not scared "shirtless" and neither is anybody else in my family, my friends, and the circle of people that I work with on a regular basis. I'll admit that I'm tired of the hyped-up hyperbole that seems to be constant from some so-called "news" outlets on cable TV.

Do you really believe the Dems would stop with eliminating just those?!!!

whether you like it or not sometimes people need killing. There are multiple stories every day of children being kidnapped, women being raped, home invasions, car jackings, muggings, murder and assault.

Do you REALLY want the government to tell what you are allowed to arm yourself with?


You could always move to a safer country, like Mexico. Great Britain has very strict firearm laws. Even knife and screwdriver laws.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46984559

Yeah, and this is from one of our own here on tman. When our own people start buying into the lie, I wonder how we can succeed. Usually when I look where these people live....it is a blue state, why is that? They have bought into the BS because they are closer to the hysterics. Get a clue folks, or the second will be gone before you know it.

I agree with Boco. The problem is not with guns, but within "society" itself. If the intent is there and guns are unavailable there are many other methods. Look at the Kansas City bombing or driving a truck into a crowd. We need Bipartisan thinking from our best minds, not politics. We don't need anti gunners like Schummer or the NRA at the opposite end screaming at each other. I am an avid gun owner, but I no longer belong to the NRA. Their extreme thinking is not for me. By the same token politicans trying to get elected by being anti gun turns me off as well.
Trump did not cause those shootings and it is not his alone to solve the problem. I see no need for ownership of those big military type weapons, but I'm against any type of confiscation.. I don't have all of the answers. Who is to say that I'm incompetent, crazy, or shouldn't own a gun? At least one of those guns was purchased legally.The problem is not the guns, the problem is people.

In case you missed it. It is illegal in Britain to carry a screwdriver without a permit. Is this what we want?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46984559

I'm not saying 3 mass shootings in a week should be normal, but in the grand scheme of things, they're being reported on more heavily than other deaths because it feeds the left's gun grabbing agenda. The US doesn't lead the world in mass shootings or gun violence, but that's not what the media wants you to think. More people are killed by knives than rifles each year. More people are killed with fists and feet than rifles each year.

You can't make a law to get rid of evil intentions. I hope it doesn't happen, but what if high capacity semi-auto rifles are done away with and someone heck-bent on killing a bunch of people instead resorts to filling a van with explosives or driving an SUV through a parade or marathon?

Just remember if you don't vote for one side you are voting for the other.

In three weeks Dayton will just be a city Ohio and El Paso will be the home of of a crazy politician running for president. Such is our attention span and media circus.

Lets see the data on killings in other country's. Make a thread on it, this thread is just beating a head horse, just like the media and the mass shootings. Let the media show the person that did the shooting once he has been shot laying on the ground, crying, ask for his mom the jerking all over the place and wetting themselves before he dies. The next person may think twice before shooting others. JMO most likely this will be deleted.

Boco keeps reminding us that these mass shootings are a huge problem, and something must be done to prevent this presumed epidemic plaguing our society. But it's just not true. Here's a pie chart from the University of California, Davis showing the percentage of firearm-related deaths in the US in 2017. That was a particularly bad year for mass shootings because of the Las Vegas shooting, the largest in US history @ 58 deaths, and the Sutherland Springs, TX shooting @ 26 deaths.


Mass shootings represented the lowest category of all gun deaths at a mere 0.3% in 2017. Unintentional deaths, which are mostly accidental, are 4 times higher than public mass shootings. You want to curb the "huge problem" of gun deaths in the US? Start with taking action on suicides and homicides, and then move to gun safety. This is media-created hysteria at its finest. It's what they do best, and we all fall in line like Pavlov's dogs with our conditioned response to their bell ringing.

World average is 6.2 murders per capital. US is 5.3

More news from the gun free, knife free, screwdriver free, safe streets of England

https://www.yahoo.com/news/johnny-b...rgess-robbery-glass-water-132414978.html

I think I am starting to see the problem.
It seems like a lot of you cannot comprehend the difference between mass shootings of innocent people going about their daily business from all other gun related deaths.3 mass shootings of innocent people,one apparently race based is horrific.
This is why mass shootings of innocent people is not rooted in the gun.It is a problem in society.

I think the problem is there are too many people crammed into the cities and they're going nuts. Let's ship 100 million people from the major cities up to Canada so they can spread out and relax a little. How are your immigration laws, Boco? Won't be long before people start leaving the US for Canada seeking asylum.

It wasn't long ago when a deranged lunatic mowed down and killed ten people on a Toronto street using a van. I won't yield on my right to keep and bear arms. Not going to happen.

Yep lets ban vans,lol.

Today Trump stated that O'Connell is totally on board with his plan and maybe the NRA will be neutral on some of their policy deliberations and that he is working with Dems on this and he has 94% of the GOP members on his side. I guess we will have to wait to see how this all rolls out. In the past little has come of these types of statements but this time around he needs to reclaim the battle ground state Dems and Independents so maybe the line in the sand is moving. Many may like his approach but I find it troubling in the least.

Bryce

I believe this was after parkland...

Common demoninator in all these shootings,they take place in gun free zones.Theres a place to start.Do away with gun free zones.They are just killing fields.The sickos know theres no one there that is armed and can protect themselves.

That should strike fear in the heart of every American. Can you imagine if the president said "Search your house first, go through due process second", or throw people in jail first, go through due process second:? Due process is at the heart of what makes our system fair.

You once said you work around police.
Do they disarm people until they determine if they are "ok"?

Not usually. All the traffic cops say that when someone says they have a gun and a concealed carry license, they just tell them to leave it where it is and don't touch it, they don't take it from them.

I don't have any idea what they do beyond that. I do know that most cops are very gun friendly, some are not. Some go so far as to say things like they'll honor any concealed carry permit whether or not Nebraska officially honors it, some say they'll draw down on anyone who open carries. So I guess it depends on the cops.

I was thinking more along the lines of going to a domestic dispute like they were talking about in the video.

If I cop points his weapon at me because I have a gun in plain sight I am going to raise merry hades. If that's not assault then what is? If that isn't putting my life in danger then what is? If I can't have him/her brought up on charges there will be a lawsuit. If an officer cant accept the law they are to abide by and enforce, if they refuse to honor their oath, they need fired.

Ah. I have no idea. I think they just arrest em and haul em off to jail, they don't get involved in any weapons issues if there were no weapons involved in the dispute. I know they always send two officers to all domestic calls, but I think that's pretty common practice everywhere. In any case, there's a difference between taking hold of someone's gun for 15 minutes during a call for officer safety reasons and taking all of someone's guns away and preventing them from buying any more without any due process.

Has crazy ted made a statement since the last two shootings?

get a load of this........................................................

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/new-zealand-gun-buyback-164000167.html

Whatever they do you can be sure it will be the wrong thing and it will not stop any shootings. The right thing to do is to stop all this gun control nonsense and eliminate most gun free zones. However, we all know this will never be done. It will be the gun control domino effect that will eventually destroy all our rights.

Never spent any money on black guns , Kinda glad I didn't ,Just that's not the only semi they want ! Trump has switched horses in the middle of the race ,Who can we turn to now?

I have to admit, the threads on here don't make sense.

Most people on here say the shootings are because of the mental health of the nuts who do the shooting and on the next post say they are against adding to the background checks. I guess they are ok with mental people shooting up a place?

Anyone that would do a mass shooting has to be mentally ill.

I agree.

Seems most here agree on that. The question is, what and how do they suggest we slow it/them down?

But Hippie there are already law upon law governing the ownership of guns by the "dangerously" mentally ill. Enforce the laws already on the books.

Here's what i'm asking............................

The mother of the El Paso shooter called the cops but stopped short of saying her kid was nuts. Lets say she did tell them he was nuts.
Now what?

Example two.....................
The kid who bought a gun when he turned 18 and shot up the school in florida.

Should his mental info NOT been entered into the background check system as it wasn't, or should that info be in there to prevent an obviously sick kid from buying the gun?

It is up to the state laws for the DRs. and courts to report to the National Background check. Illinois reports people who are a danger to themselves and others.

Example 1 Red Flag laws are trying to be passed, but the Mom has to report them to an LEO, judge etc. , not just a passerby or neighbor.

Example 2 Yes his mental health history should have been reported if FL has a reporting law.

Agreed also , just not in the sense that most think of as "ill" ...as in those who have very little concept of what they're doing, reacting in the moment without careful planning...on/off , or needing medication, etc.

These others are fully aware of what targets to stay away from, calculating carefully most times the places they know they can get attention . They crave attention as an image they want to to be seen as , control and power....at least in their minds . Not "ill" at all in the sense most tend to think of, with little or no control of their actions.

Mental ills, yes....but with enough logic and lucid calculations to know better than to aim at someone who can and will take them out ....example , the kid who gave up immediately when confronted by the fireman ....but still needed to video himself holding his phone the whole time. Not a few others kill themselves when they know they are confronted with no more control , or give up easily, unless they are taken out on sight.

Even those who give a "cause" as an excuse, bottomline, still crave attention, power and control in their meanness. They need to get an audience by advertising to friends, relatives, media, etc. I can only think of less than a handful who didn't let anyone know at all and just acted out once they had their plans in place.

You know the answer to your question, racer man......we also know that solution will never be encouraged ....as for us, awareness everywhere we are , and prepared.

First off, the government is historically horrible concerning information security so I wouldn't want the ATF handling medical information.

Second, anything that could affect your rights needs to go through the courts first and that really doesn't inspire the confidence of most of the country on either side.

hip-- What do you want added to background checks? Or do you want mandatory background checks for ALL guns sales?

Point me to a civilized society and we'll talk...

The thin veneer of what folks call "civilized" is just that, thin. Those city folk and uppity elite would slit your throat in a second for a mouthful of beans if "civilization" ever crumbles. They would even use one of the hated semi autos if they get hungry enough.

9 meals is what separates most of the world from anarchy.

Mike

I disagree,thereare always moral people even in crisis when civilization breaks down.
Look at those kids in the Andes plane crash in the early 70's.Some refused to eat the dead bodies and died,others chose to cannibalize the dead to survive like animals.
Most civilized people in western societies have innate moral values that cannot be broken.Others have none even in the best of times.Then there are those societys recently to have civilization thrust upon them that can revert at the drop of a hat.

I watched a homeless guy dance and hold a conversation with himself. I would say he was mentally ill. Mass shootings are premeditated as you point out Sharon. I consider these people competent but evil. I bet the majority of these shooters who are captured are mentally fit to stand trial.

Get a load of this- Ronald Regan started the gun control in California. Research it. Painfull.

Of course there will always be a percentage who maintain their moral compass... But when it hits the fan and you've got thousands or millions of desperate folk pouring out of urban centers I would lay money on the fact that a decent percentage will revert to animal instinct.

Mike

Nobody is happy with shootings as you should well know.theresnnot a darned thing you could do by passing laws that will prevent any mass casualty attacks. The best you can hope for is armed security, might be a partial solution to the loss of jobs due to automation.

If you want a long term solution, it's going to take a massive cultural revolution to occur. Unfortunately that kindof change will never be supported by the media, education and government.

Ronald Reagan was an enemy of the 2nd amendment. He signed into law the Mulford act (which the NRA supported) which banned open carry in California after some black panthers carried in front of the state capital, and as president he signed into law the gun control act of 1986 (which the NRA also supported). He made several pro-gun control statements.

X2

There was a fellow that just used an "assault' type rifle on the news this A.M. Severe mental health history and felon weapons convictions. Yep all the laws stopped him.
Criminals and people with intent to injure others DO NOT care about the law!!

Who decides who is mentally ill? And who decides what person is too dangerous to be allowed gun ownership?

Our criminal law system has always punished those who commit actual crimes. Here, we're heading to a "Minority Report" society that punishes people just because they MIGHT do something.

I don't want a panel of bureaucrats deciding whether I'm sane enough to be allowed firearms.

Jim