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College students- Gender issues-Mental problems

Posted By: Finster

College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/23/19 10:56 PM

Well...……….DAH!!!!!...….. It took a study to figure that out?

Study: 78% College Students with Gender Issues Meet Criteria for Mental Health Problems

A new study that examined students who claim to have gender identity issues found that, compared with 45 percent of students who are comfortable with their biological sex, 78 percent of gender-disturbed students met the criteria for at least one mental health problem.
Researchers affiliated with the Boston University School of Public Health, Harvard Medical School, and University of Michigan School of Public Health, conducted the expansive study, published at the American Journal of Preventive Medicine.
The study, which included more than 1,200 college students with gender identity issues across 71 U.S. college campuses, found that, across commonly used mental health measures, 78 percent of the gender-disturbed students met the criteria for one or more of the outcomes of depression, anxiety, eating disorders, self-injury, and suicidality.
Having gender identity issues was associated with 4.3 times higher odds of having at least one mental health problem, according to the study which utilized data that came from the 2015-2017 Healthy Minds Study, an annual survey.
Across all the mental health measures used, the gender-disturbed students had a significantly higher prevalence of mental health issues than students comfortable with their biological sex.
Results of the study showed more than half of gender-disturbed students were found to screen positively for depression (58%) and reported self-injurious behavior (53%), while 28% of students comfortable with their biological sex screened positive for depression and 20% reported self-injurious behavior.
In addition, more than one-third of gender-disturbed students reported serious suicidal ideation within the past year compared to just one in ten students comfortable with their biological sex.
The researchers draw the conclusion that their results demonstrate “an urgent need” to address the mental health issues of gender-disturbed students and “prioritize” their needs.
Using “minority stress theory,” as their foundation, the researchers suggest gender-disturbed students “may be exposed to unique stressors (e.g., family rejection or transphobia), which may increase mental health risk.”
They also report they studied college students, in part, because “the traditional college years (ages 18–24) coincide with the age of onset for many lifetime mental illnesses, and “an increasing number of young people, and college students in particular, identify as transgender or report questioning their gender identity.”
In 2018, Dr. Lisa Littman at Brown University set out to learn more about why the number of adolescent girls identifying as transgender at Britain’s Gender Identity Development Service had increased from 41 percent in 2009 to 69 percent in 2017.
The researcher said she had observed teens without a history of gender dysphoria – a clinical term describing psychological discomfort caused by a sense one’s gender is incompatible with one’s biological sex – were “coming out” as transgender “after a period of immersing themselves in niche websites after similar announcements from friends.”
In her study of 256 parents, which was condemned by LGBT activists, Littman found 87 percent of the young people were reported to have “come out” as transgender after increased time spent on social media and the Internet and after “cluster outbreaks” of gender dysphoria among their groups of friends. Most of the teens who ultimately identified as transgender also showed increased popularity with peer groups afterward, according to their parents’ reports.
Additionally, Littman found nearly two-thirds of the young people whose parents participated in the survey had already been diagnosed with at least one psychiatric developmental disorder prior to the onset of the gender dysphoria. For example, nearly half of the young people had already attempted to harm themselves or had experienced a trauma, suggesting the mental health issues preceded the reported gender identity disturbance.

Source: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...eet-criteria-for-mental-health-problems/
Posted By: Fisher Man

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 12:37 AM

When I was young you never heard of transgender,once in awhile you heard of a fag, queer, or a lesy. No in between. They kept to themselves and that was that. Today they have "come out of the closet", are in your face,demanding their rights, and marching around out doing each other looking like hideous freaks. I don't give a hoot what you do in private, but don't come to my church and demand to be married, and don't come to my business demanding service. I have rights too !.
Posted By: zoozoo400

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 01:18 AM

I mean, that makes sense considering a good chunk of society doesn't accept them/their identities. How can you be mentally sound when the world doesn't believe you should exist?

You guys make fantastic examples
Posted By: J.Morse

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 01:30 AM

Isn't a gender identity issue a mental health problem in itself?????
Posted By: Finster

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 01:32 AM

Originally Posted by J.Morse
Isn't a gender identity issue a mental health problem in itself?????

BINGO! You get a cigar!
Posted By: zoozoo400

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 01:48 AM

I believe it depends on whether or not a person feels some sort of distress in relation to their gender ID & physical sex.. If it affects your day-to-day life & how you feel about yourself, then it's considered a mental health issue. So if someone was feeling all this & decided to go to a psych, they would be diagnosed with Gender Dysphoria. There are plenty of folks who don't feel dysphoria or "gender-related stress" but still want to adjust their physical bodies.. in most states they'd have to go get diagnosed or talk extensively with a counselor/psych to get what they're after. Which, if you ask me, is a little pointless (if that person knows what they need for themselves & is mentally sound otherwise).

Some folks have help available, some folks don't. I've noticed that those who have access to the resources they need aren't affected as much & live more fulfilling lives. Which is p cool no matter who ya are or what your issue is... if ya ask me anyhow

Everyone's got their issues, trans or not.. All you gotta do is take care of yourself cool
Posted By: Law Dog

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 01:53 AM

Suicides will skyrocket in the next 20 years the kids have no moral compass and will be unable to deal with real life issues, if things get really tough I can't imagine the toll that would take.
Posted By: Catch22

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 01:53 AM

Originally Posted by zoozoo400
I mean, that makes sense considering a good chunk of society doesn't accept them/their identities. How can you be mentally sound when the world doesn't believe you should exist?

You guys make fantastic examples

laugh
Posted By: zoozoo400

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 01:58 AM

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This is me if you couldn't tell laugh
Posted By: warrior

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by J.Morse
Isn't a gender identity issue a mental health problem in itself?????



Up until 1973 it was indeed.
Posted By: zoozoo400

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 03:16 AM

I'm not sure what morality has to do with gender identity
Posted By: KeithC

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 03:36 AM

Originally Posted by zoozoo400
I'm not sure what morality has to do with gender identity


Gender identity is lumped with homosexuality by most people. Most Trapperman members are Christians. They mostly ignore that Jesus never mentioned hatred and punishment of homosexuals and go back to Leviticus, in the Old Testament, to find their anti homosexual stance propped up, while ignoring most of the rest of the Old Testament in favor of the New Testament.

I believe Paul was the only person in the New Testament to mention homosexuality and he basically restated Leviticus. Paul never met Jesus, except in a vision and they did not have a long conversation.

I would guess that Jesus would be okay with homosexuals, except for the ones that constantly seek attention, who want special rights and who harass others. I think that most homosexuals are homosexual because of their hormone development. All the lesbians I have met had longer ring fingers than index fingers, which is a secondary male sex characteristic and the few gay men I have talked to had longer index fingers, like most women do.

Keith
Posted By: Catch22

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 03:44 AM

Keith, I just had this conversation with some people a couple weeks ago. They said the same thing about Paul, in the same way. Are you discounting Paul's part in the bible? They did and I don't understand the logic.
Posted By: KeithC

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 04:10 AM

Originally Posted by Catch22
Keith, I just had this conversation with some people a couple weeks ago. They said the same thing about Paul, in the same way. Are you discounting Paul's part in the bible? They did and I don't understand the logic.


Saul/Paul always seemed like a late comer to me. He was born around 6 years after Jesus's crucifiction. He was obviously not chosen as a direct disciple by a still earthbound Jesus. It seems likely to me that he saw the Christian movement growing and decided to try to lead it. It did end up costing him his head. It's also possible he felt guilt for persecuting decent people and started identifying with them.

I have my doubts about all religions. I see obvious flaws in all of them and a whole lot of borrowing from other earlier religions. I am sure I would be happier if I truly believed in a religion, but I don't think I ever will.

I think about religion a lot. I pray every day. I think the most important thing is to treat other people decently. You should not help them to become non self reliant. I think the best thing you can do for someone is to help them achieve their full positive potential.

Keith
Posted By: Catch22

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 04:17 AM

Keith, I am tired as heck and headed to the shed. I will try to comment tomorrow as I am not a "Christian" anymore but was raised to be. I think you may be underestimating the dynamics of Saul/Paul. He was chosen. Anyway, have a great night.
Posted By: gryhkl

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 11:04 AM

I have no problem with adults doing what they want to themselves-ain't none of my business. But they need to shut up about it and stop all the attention seeking behavior.
The marriage thing should be between the couple and the church. Why would anyone want the blessing from an organization that believes their union to be immoral?
A civil union license should be all they should expect from the government.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by KeithC
Originally Posted by zoozoo400
I'm not sure what morality has to do with gender identity


Gender identity is lumped with homosexuality by most people. Most Trapperman members are Christians. They mostly ignore that Jesus never mentioned hatred and punishment of homosexuals and go back to Leviticus, in the Old Testament, to find their anti homosexual stance propped up, while ignoring most of the rest of the Old Testament in favor of the New Testament.

I believe Paul was the only person in the New Testament to mention homosexuality and he basically restated Leviticus. Paul never met Jesus, except in a vision and they did not have a long conversation.

I would guess that Jesus would be okay with homosexuals, except for the ones that constantly seek attention, who want special rights and who harass others. I think that most homosexuals are homosexual because of their hormone development. All the lesbians I have met had longer ring fingers than index fingers, which is a secondary male sex characteristic and the few gay men I have talked to had longer index fingers, like most women do.

Keith

Jesus would be okay with homosexuals as people, but he wouldn't be okay with the sin of homosexuality, or adultery, or lust, etc. etc. Heck he loved the sinner so much that he died for us.
As for Paul, he is just like any other Christian. Living in sin but seeing the light. All Christians are supposed to go forth and make disciples, no different with Paul. Except Paul received direct mandate and was a disiple maker on steroids.
We have to be careful to not make the Bible fit our worldly views. It's teachings are "set in stone" and not to be changed, much like the Bill of Rights of our Constitution.
Posted By: warrior

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by gryhkl
I have no problem with adults doing what they want to themselves-ain't none of my business. But they need to shut up about it and stop all the attention seeking behavior.
The marriage thing should be between the couple and the church. Why would anyone want the blessing from an organization that believes their union to be immoral?
A civil union license should be all they should expect from the government.


Because the left of whatever sexual perversion will not be satisfied until every scintilla of what they don't agree with is utterly and completely destroyed.
It has never been about equality or respect but total war against 2000 years of judeo-christian principles.
Posted By: warrior

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by warrior
Originally Posted by gryhkl
I have no problem with adults doing what they want to themselves-ain't none of my business. But they need to shut up about it and stop all the attention seeking behavior.
The marriage thing should be between the couple and the church. Why would anyone want the blessing from an organization that believes their union to be immoral?
A civil union license should be all they should expect from the government.


Because the left of whatever sexual perversion will not be satisfied until every scintilla of what they don't agree with is utterly and completely destroyed.
It has never been about equality or respect but total war against 2000 years of judeo-christian principles.



This is also why we on the right are losing and will in all likelihood ultimately fail. We lack the same motivation to destroy that which hates us. We have ingrained within our DNA the respect for differing opinions and beliefs and hold dear to the ideal of free debate and a democratically elected republic preserving the rights and liberty of all.
The left is using our tolerance and electoral system against us.
I am of the opinion the day will come, sooner rather than later, that we on the right will have to set aside some things in order to win back our lives or die trying.
Posted By: zoozoo400

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by gryhkl
I have no problem with adults doing what they want to themselves-ain't none of my business. But they need to shut up about it and stop all the attention seeking behavior.
The marriage thing should be between the couple and the church. Why would anyone want the blessing from an organization that believes their union to be immoral?
A civil union license should be all they should expect from the government.


Would a civil union provide the same rights/protections as a marriage license? Religion is a personal choice, and though some believe being homo is as well, people should be able to receive the same rights as those who are not like them regardless of their religious choices (or orientation, gender ID, etc etc etc). I imagine most people want to get married in a church/mosque/synagogue/etc. because it's traditional. I'm not into all that, but people like what people like & I'm not gonna argue if they want to be married in the religious building of their choice. Mostly because it's not my business.

I'm not a fan of attention-seekers either... gay, straight, & all others. I'm not sure which attention-seeking behavior you're referencing... but if it is what I assume it to be... the behavior is more than likely not for your attention.

It is cool that some churches are alright with marrying gay couples, but it also depends on where you're located... I agree with you that it doesn't make sense for someone to -want- to be married by a church/org that believes their marriage to be immoral, but sometimes the best option isn't in their area. Also there are plenty of seriously religious gays out there whose dream is to be married in their church. I would bet that those who like their church are likely to be able to get married in it simply because that church is more accepting of them, or they preach a lot of love. Which makes more sense than asking a church known for preaching against gayness to marry you & your partner. (Kinda like asking the homophobic baker to make a gay cake LOL.. like?? why do that if you have more options??)


Originally Posted by KeithC
I think about religion a lot. I pray every day. I think the most important thing is to treat other people decently. You should not help them to become non self reliant. I think the best thing you can do for someone is to help them achieve their full positive potential.

Keith


I agree with ya. Treat people as your brother, sister, or yourself, and you will feel much better in the long run. People are already sh*tty enough, why be one of 'em? Helping folks find the info they need to better themselves is one of the most rewarding things I've done. If they actually go forth and use it, anyway.

Originally Posted by warrior
Because the left of whatever sexual perversion will not be satisfied until every scintilla of what they don't agree with is utterly and completely destroyed.
It has never been about equality or respect but total war against 2000 years of judeo-christian principles.
...

This is also why we on the right are losing and will in all likelihood ultimately fail. We lack the same motivation to destroy that which hates us. We have ingrained within our DNA the respect for differing opinions and beliefs and hold dear to the ideal of free debate and a democratically elected republic preserving the rights and liberty of all.
The left is using our tolerance and electoral system against us.
I am of the opinion the day will come, sooner rather than later, that we on the right will have to set aside some things in order to win back our lives or die trying.


That is just absurd.. go talk to some folks & you might believe differently. I can assure you that nobody is trying to destroy your religious principles.. especially since they vary from family to family & individual to individual (whereas these principles hardly differ between religions). There are certainly disrespectful folks on both sides... but there are also respectful folks on both sides who are willing to debate.
Posted By: gryhkl

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 05:46 PM

If a church wants to marry them, they should be allowed, but no church should have to allow it. And nobody should have to bake a gay couple a wedding cake if they don't want to-for any reason.
Posted By: hippie

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 05:53 PM

They can exist as far as i'm concerned Zoozoo, just so they stay away from me.
Posted By: turkn8rtrapper

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 06:17 PM

I think we/they are missing the point. I have no problem with anyone's views on gender identification/confusion or homosexuality. I have to answer for myself in the end. As some have stated love the sinner not the sin. Some have more conservative views some more liberal. Is either right or wrong ? I don't know. As far as this issue for young people and adults I think it is a society issue. They are more confused than anything with all that goes on around them and what they are exposed to growing up.The family unit is going away as with strong men and women. Good role models used to be everywhere in all walks of life but we are becoming more and more a me society even when it comes to our responsibilities as parents. When I say we I am not speaking of this group as we seem to be rooted in more conservative old school values. I believe that the confusion comes from the believed definitions being used. In other words if johnny likes to design clothing or hair styling or any non traditional male role he thinks there must be something wrong with his gender identification instead of being a guy who like girls but is interested of non typical male activity. Same with Susie. If she wants to box or rough it up on the football field and hates traditional female roles the must be something wrong with her gender identification. If they have gay friends or a strange attraction to someone of the same sex then something is wrong with them. Not nesseccarilly. If they don't act on it then they are just learning. Society needs to get back to being part of their children's lives guiding them and creating an environment where they can come to the parents for guidance in such issues instead of turning to their peers who are also confused. JMO
Posted By: zoozoo400

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 07:37 PM

I didn't say anyone -had- to accept them, I just feel that everyone should possess the same rights. How can we be a country of equals if we are not truly equal?

turkn, One can perform & find joy in non-traditional gendered actions without being confused about their own gender, though I suppose that is what you meant. I highly doubt their peers would immediately assume & push their assumption that they had a gender ID issue. I think because gender ID is such a personal, internalized issue it would be easy for folks to misunderstand & possibly fear, since they are outside of it & cannot relate. (IF that is the actuality of the situation, anyway) In any case, they would be learning whether they acted on it or not, is my belief... Life is about exploring, learning, & growing.. regardless of whether that is in nature, art, culture, religion, etc, or oneself. There's nothing wrong with experimenting with one's presentation! It's just another way to be able to laugh at & have fun with our creative selves
-


Perhaps there is no right or wrong in how any of us live our lives... Everyone has a different perspective on everyone else's life or lifestyle. Ironically, I know a couple of folks who disprove of this group's lifestyle.. doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong. The Bible says this, the Quran that, the Tanakh another thing, and the Tipitaka something else... everyone gets different answers to their questions. Some folks don't need a religious text to guide them and that isn't necessarily right or wrong either.
I am speaking from a non-religious viewpoint, but I do understand why those of you who are guided by religion would feel differently.


Originally Posted by bowhunter27295


Wonder why LGBTQABCDEFG's won't sue to be married in a mosque?


Perhaps, like most Americans, most of them (who are religious) are Christian? That's just a guess

Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
When homosexuals do not honor a person's religious belief and PURPOSELY target them for a law suit because they will not make them a cake, they bring a lot of heat on themselves.


I never understood why they pushed that... There are too many willing bakeries out there to legitimately cause them to put so much effort into one store that didn't want their business in the first place. Being hateful is a different story, of course. I didn't see anything wrong with the bakery choosing not to "take the cake" so to speak :P
Posted By: warrior

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by zoozoo400
Originally Posted by gryhkl
I have no problem with adults doing what they want to themselves-ain't none of my business. But they need to shut up about it and stop all the attention seeking behavior.
The marriage thing should be between the couple and the church. Why would anyone want the blessing from an organization that believes their union to be immoral?
A civil union license should be all they should expect from the government.


Would a civil union provide the same rights/protections as a marriage license? Religion is a personal choice, and though some believe being homo is as well, people should be able to receive the same rights as those who are not like them regardless of their religious choices (or orientation, gender ID, etc etc etc). I imagine most people want to get married in a church/mosque/synagogue/etc. because it's traditional. I'm not into all that, but people like what people like & I'm not gonna argue if they want to be married in the religious building of their choice. Mostly because it's not my business.

I'm not a fan of attention-seekers either... gay, straight, & all others. I'm not sure which attention-seeking behavior you're referencing... but if it is what I assume it to be... the behavior is more than likely not for your attention.

It is cool that some churches are alright with marrying gay couples, but it also depends on where you're located... I agree with you that it doesn't make sense for someone to -want- to be married by a church/org that believes their marriage to be immoral, but sometimes the best option isn't in their area. Also there are plenty of seriously religious gays out there whose dream is to be married in their church. I would bet that those who like their church are likely to be able to get married in it simply because that church is more accepting of them, or they preach a lot of love. Which makes more sense than asking a church known for preaching against gayness to marry you & your partner. (Kinda like asking the homophobic baker to make a gay cake LOL.. like?? why do that if you have more options??)


Originally Posted by KeithC
I think about religion a lot. I pray every day. I think the most important thing is to treat other people decently. You should not help them to become non self reliant. I think the best thing you can do for someone is to help them achieve their full positive potential.

Keith


I agree with ya. Treat people as your brother, sister, or yourself, and you will feel much better in the long run. People are already sh*tty enough, why be one of 'em? Helping folks find the info they need to better themselves is one of the most rewarding things I've done. If they actually go forth and use it, anyway.

Originally Posted by warrior
Because the left of whatever sexual perversion will not be satisfied until every scintilla of what they don't agree with is utterly and completely destroyed.
It has never been about equality or respect but total war against 2000 years of judeo-christian principles.
...

This is also why we on the right are losing and will in all likelihood ultimately fail. We lack the same motivation to destroy that which hates us. We have ingrained within our DNA the respect for differing opinions and beliefs and hold dear to the ideal of free debate and a democratically elected republic preserving the rights and liberty of all.
The left is using our tolerance and electoral system against us.
I am of the opinion the day will come, sooner rather than later, that we on the right will have to set aside some things in order to win back our lives or die trying.


That is just absurd.. go talk to some folks & you might believe differently. I can assure you that nobody is trying to destroy your religious principles.. especially since they vary from family to family & individual to individual (whereas these principles hardly differ between religions). There are certainly disrespectful folks on both sides... but there are also respectful folks on both sides who are willing to debate.



Did I say my religious beliefs? I'm not fearful of losing that. It may one day be a crime but I will never renounce Jesus, Son of God or His Death, Burial and Resurrection.

No, I said the judeo-christian principles that allowed the greatest liberty mankind has ever enjoyed.
Posted By: zoozoo400

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by warrior
Did I say my religious beliefs? I'm not fearful of losing that. It may one day be a crime but I will never renounce Jesus, Son of God or His Death, Burial and Resurrection.

No, I said the judeo-christian principles that allowed the greatest liberty mankind has ever enjoyed.


Why do you believe it could someday be a crime to be on team Jesus?
Posted By: warrior

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 08:02 PM

May be, not will be.

Did you know, the Eastern Orthodox Church was never illegal in the Soviet Union? Yet thousands of Christians went to the gulags.
Posted By: chas3457

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by zoozoo400
Originally Posted by warrior
Did I say my religious beliefs? I'm not fearful of losing that. It may one day be a crime but I will never renounce Jesus, Son of God or His Death, Burial and Resurrection.

No, I said the judeo-christian principles that allowed the greatest liberty mankind has ever enjoyed.


Why do you believe it could someday be a crime to be on team Jesus?



Because the liberals are pushing the concept, and Jesus himself, said we would be prosecuted because of following him. It's in The Bible.



Charlie
Posted By: warrior

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 08:11 PM

You know kind of like 2A, they really won't take your hunting guns.
Posted By: warrior

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 08:13 PM

Did you also know that the Soviet Union (and Cuba, Venezuela and many others) held "free" elections to "elect" their leaders?
Posted By: chas3457

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 08:15 PM

If someone cannot accept their own 'gender identity', what right do they have to expect anyone else to accept them as sane individuals?




Charlie
Posted By: warrior

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by zoozoo400
I didn't say anyone -had- to accept them, I just feel that everyone should possess the same rights. How can we be a country of equals if we are not truly equal?

turkn, One can perform & find joy in non-traditional gendered actions without being confused about their own gender, though I suppose that is what you meant. I highly doubt their peers would immediately assume & push their assumption that they had a gender ID issue. I think because gender ID is such a personal, internalized issue it would be easy for folks to misunderstand & possibly fear, since they are outside of it & cannot relate. (IF that is the actuality of the situation, anyway) In any case, they would be learning whether they acted on it or not, is my belief... Life is about exploring, learning, & growing.. regardless of whether that is in nature, art, culture, religion, etc, or oneself. There's nothing wrong with experimenting with one's presentation! It's just another way to be able to laugh at & have fun with our creative selves
-


Perhaps there is no right or wrong in how any of us live our lives... Everyone has a different perspective on everyone else's life or lifestyle. Ironically, I know a couple of folks who disprove of this group's lifestyle.. doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong. The Bible says this, the Quran that, the Tanakh another thing, and the Tipitaka something else... everyone gets different answers to their questions. Some folks don't need a religious text to guide them and that isn't necessarily right or wrong either.
I am speaking from a non-religious viewpoint, but I do understand why those of you who are guided by religion would feel differently.


Originally Posted by bowhunter27295


Wonder why LGBTQABCDEFG's won't sue to be married in a mosque?


Perhaps, like most Americans, most of them (who are religious) are Christian? That's just a guess

Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
When homosexuals do not honor a person's religious belief and PURPOSELY target them for a law suit because they will not make them a cake, they bring a lot of heat on themselves.


I never understood why they pushed that... There are too many willing bakeries out there to legitimately cause them to put so much effort into one store that didn't want their business in the first place. Being hateful is a different story, of course. I didn't see anything wrong with the bakery choosing not to "take the cake" so to speak :P


Is anyone else as confused as I about what this person tried to say or not say?
Posted By: warrior

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 08:28 PM

Let's get this thread back on track. It's not about religion or how one prefers to get their ashes hauled.

The original premise was that studies are now showing that individuals professing to be something other than what they biologically are exhibit high rates of mental illness.

Something that many of us can say, No crap, Sherlock or That's what we've been trying to tell you!

We also went further to extrapolate everything that encourages such behaviors as in the liberal left is mentally defective.

Yet, the turn by those who defend such maladies is to go after the right on religious grounds.

Who's the aggressor here?
Posted By: chas3457

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 08:31 PM

Warrior, I could be mistaken, but I think there may just be a little 'gender identity' issue going on with the person you inquired about.





Charlie
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 08:37 PM

If not religious, the only other way to find the "truth" is by the laws of nature? Since we are supposed to be outdoosmen and women on this site, it should be easy for us to provide examples of said behavior which we have witnessed in the natural world....I got nothin'.
Now from a religious perspective I believe we were all given free will, so our choice is ultimately our own.
Posted By: Jarhead620

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 08:54 PM

[quote=chas3457]Warrior, I could be mistaken, but I think there may just be a little 'gender identity' issue going on with the person you inquired about.





Charlie[/quote

That's a bit presumptuous of you Charlie since you don't know what that person's actual gender is.

Jarhead
Posted By: chas3457

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by Jarhead620
[quote=chas3457]Warrior, I could be mistaken, but I think there may just be a little 'gender identity' issue going on with the person you inquired about.

Charlie[/quote

That's a bit presumptuous of you Charlie since you don't know what that person's actual gender is.

Jarhead



Not sure "that person" knows either.



Charlie
Posted By: Catch22

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/24/19 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by KeithC
Originally Posted by zoozoo400
I'm not sure what morality has to do with gender identity


Gender identity is lumped with homosexuality by most people. Most Trapperman members are Christians. They mostly ignore that Jesus never mentioned hatred and punishment of homosexuals and go back to Leviticus, in the Old Testament, to find their anti homosexual stance propped up, while ignoring most of the rest of the Old Testament in favor of the New Testament.

I believe Paul was the only person in the New Testament to mention homosexuality and he basically restated Leviticus. Paul never met Jesus, except in a vision and they did not have a long conversation.

I would guess that Jesus would be okay with homosexuals, except for the ones that constantly seek attention, who want special rights and who harass others. I think that most homosexuals are homosexual because of their hormone development. All the lesbians I have met had longer ring fingers than index fingers, which is a secondary male sex characteristic and the few gay men I have talked to had longer index fingers, like most women do.

Keith

Sorry it took so long, I had some company. I gave my word that I would reply Keith and I am. Albeit not the long version because quite frankly I had a hard day lol and I realize you don't give credence to the man who wrote maybe 2/3 of the New Testament. He was chosen by Christ. I will say that Paul does mention Homosexuality several times but if you and others don't believe that he was chosen and wrote with the Holy Spirit, then my words have no meaning and are useless and there is no need to point out scripture. Jude also points to Sodom and Gomoarrah. I truly will never find a better map, layed out with pin points to point to the fact that homosexuality is a sin, according to if you believe in the Bible and have accepted Christ as your Savior. With that said, none calling themselves Christians can hate the sinner. You hate the sin, but love the sinner. That's my take on it. And yes, that truly is my short version lol.....
Posted By: Mr. Ed

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/25/19 01:13 AM

It is simple. If you stand when you pee you are a boy and if you sit when you pee you are a girl. The only exception to this rule is a boy can sit when he pees if he is hung over from the night before and has not sobered up yet.
Posted By: bucksnbears

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/25/19 01:46 AM

Born with a pecker: male
Born with a vag : female.
Nuff said!!
Posted By: James

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/25/19 01:53 AM

I really don't care whether someone calls themself a man or a woman. It's their business.

Jim
Posted By: trapdog1

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/25/19 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
Me either. Just don't expect me to accept it or approve of it no matter what law or regulation or fatwah is issued.



Exactly. You can call yourself whatever you want. Just don't expect me to believe it too.
Posted By: James

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/25/19 11:30 AM

Why not just show some common courtesy? If nothing else, feel sorry for them.

Their rights--the same rights all of us have--should be protected.

Because of the long history of discrimination and worse against colored people, the law should be especially vigilant about protecting their rights.

Jim
Posted By: Finster

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/25/19 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by James
Why not just show some common courtesy? If nothing else, feel sorry for them.

Their rights--the same rights all of us have--should be protected.

Because of the long history of discrimination and worse against colored people, the law should be especially vigilant about protecting their rights.

Jim

Sure they have the same rights as everyone else. However, they do not have more rights than everyone else. They are not satisfied with being treated equally, they now want special treatment in a lot of cases. As usual, James steers and spins away from the issue at hand which is these people have mental problems.
Posted By: Lugnut

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/25/19 11:48 AM

That's because James has mental problems too.
Posted By: charles

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/25/19 07:43 PM

God made many organisms that start out as one sex and years later turn to the other. A grouper does this.
Posted By: KeithC

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/25/19 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Finster
Originally Posted by James
Why not just show some common courtesy? If nothing else, feel sorry for them.

Their rights--the same rights all of us have--should be protected.

Because of the long history of discrimination and worse against colored people, the law should be especially vigilant about protecting their rights.

Jim

Sure they have the same rights as everyone else. However, they do not have more rights than everyone else. They are not satisfied with being treated equally, they now want special treatment in a lot of cases. As usual, James steers and spins away from the issue at hand which is these people have mental problems.



I agree with James that the rights we all share should be protected. I disagree with James that the law should be especially vigilant about protecting the rights of those classes of people who have experienced a long history of discrimination. I believe that justice should be truly blind. When justice is not fair for all, the people who are being maligned start hating those who are being treated preferentially. Hate just leads to more hate.

The only problem I have with any LBGT&Qs, is with the ones who wanted to be treated as special and entitled. They are not special and entitled. They are just people like everyone else. I have no problem with them marrying or having sex with any other consenting adult in private. I don't think they should be allowed to engage publicly in behavior that would cause normal people to be shunned.

I think that for most LBGT&Qs their sexuality is not a choice. I believe their body chemistry makes them the way they are. Many species of animals, maybe even all, also produce homosexuals. I have had many gay, lesbian and bisexual pigeons over the years and seen the same behavior in chickens, pheasants, quail and dogs. Animals have much less control of their behavior, so homosexual animals are much less likely to pass their genes, yet they still continue to exist. I believe that the number of gay people will go down if there is less stigma to being gay, because gay people will no longer pass their genes as readily to straight partners, while trying to pass as normal.

Keith
Posted By: KeithC

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/25/19 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
How do you prove someone is gay? I can prove skin color, national origin, sex and all the other stuff. How does someone prove they are bisexual?


Their hormonal levels are different than normal people and many have secondary sex characteristics of the other sex. Their behavior is a giveaway to. If they willingly have sex with someone of the same sex, they are by definition an active homosexual.

Keith
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/25/19 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by charles
God made many organisms that start out as one sex and years later turn to the other. A grouper does this.

Any of those organisms mammals?
Posted By: KeithC

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/25/19 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by J Staton
Originally Posted by charles
God made many organisms that start out as one sex and years later turn to the other. A grouper does this.

Any of those organisms mammals?


Women don't change sex during menopause, but they sure do change. Menstruation messes up women a lot too. Tumors located on the glands really change people's appearance and behavior. Our hormones and other body chemistry heavily influence how we act.

Keith
Posted By: warrior

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/25/19 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by James
Why not just show some common courtesy? If nothing else, feel sorry for them.

Their rights--the same rights all of us have--should be protected.

Because of the long history of discrimination and worse against colored people, the law should be especially vigilant about protecting their rights.

Jim


Why, can't they stand up for their own rights or are you implying they are somehow intrinsically incapable of understanding and asserting their rights.

To put it bluntly I'm accusing you of patronizing racism.
Posted By: Fisher Man

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/26/19 12:39 AM

A person's sex is determined by God. Period ! It is not the "right" of anyone to decide they want to change sex.
Posted By: KeithC

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/26/19 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by Fisherman
A person's sex is determined by God. Period ! It is not the "right" of anyone to decide they want to change sex.



Recently, an Indian boy had 232 extra teeth removed by doctors.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-28437829

Do you think it wrong for the doctors to change how God made him?

What about the million of other children born with birth defects such as hairlips, extra mammary glands, extra digits, webs, vestigial tails, tumors, extra limbs and ingrown twins. Is it wrong for doctors to change how they are formed?

What about hermaphrodites?

Obviously not everyone is made perfectly by God.

Why give doctors the ability to help, if they are not supposed to?

Keith
Posted By: AntiGov

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/26/19 12:57 AM

Jesus may love everyone , maybe he was a liberal ?

But the good Lord was so T'd off by homosexuality in Sodom and Gomoarrah , he fried them so intensely that nothing living exsist there today


It turns out Queer bashing was the best deterrent ............now its a hate crime , and look at the mess we are in
Posted By: Finster

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/26/19 02:32 AM

Well, this threads has been going on and on and on with the expected comments. My point with posting it was that these people obviously have mental issues. Let's put aside all the political BS for a moment and let's just look at science. Now I believe in God and believing in such the bible has answered this question for me. HOWEVER, let's say you don't believe in God and you believe in natural selection. Let's say you believe in some form of Darwin theory (got to be one or the other) If you believe that, then homosexuality is even worse because the species will never reproduce! It won't happen and the species will become extinct. (DARN QUICK!) The point is that is it's not natural no matter how you wish to sugar coat it. It's a mental disorder.....
Posted By: AntiGov

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/26/19 02:39 AM

Its a twisted behavior . Acceptance just adds to the confusion of whats right or wrong , and for some this confusion leads to suicide.


Not all who are mentally ill have sexual behavior problems , so who knows


Just my opinion
Posted By: warrior

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/26/19 02:51 AM

Originally Posted by Finster
Well, this threads has been going on and on and on with the expected comments. My point with posting it was that these people obviously have mental issues. Let's put aside all the political BS for a moment and let's just look at science. Now I believe in God and believing in such the bible has answered this question for me. HOWEVER, let's say you don't believe in God and you believe in natural selection. Let's say you believe in some form of Darwin theory (got to be one or the other) If you believe that, then homosexuality is even worse because the species will never reproduce! It won't happen and the species will become extinct. (DARN QUICK!) The point is that is it's not natural no matter how you wish to sugar coat it. It's a mental disorder.....



Even worse under Darwin. It would be a genetic dead end, in short a lethal genetic mutation.
It also totally invalidates the nature over nurture arguement which if true completely removes free agency in one's actions and choices.
Under Darwin's survival of the fittest absent Nature's God socity could remove lethal genetic mutations without remorse.
Posted By: KeithC

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/26/19 03:27 AM

Originally Posted by warrior
Originally Posted by Finster
Well, this threads has been going on and on and on with the expected comments. My point with posting it was that these people obviously have mental issues. Let's put aside all the political BS for a moment and let's just look at science. Now I believe in God and believing in such the bible has answered this question for me. HOWEVER, let's say you don't believe in God and you believe in natural selection. Let's say you believe in some form of Darwin theory (got to be one or the other) If you believe that, then homosexuality is even worse because the species will never reproduce! It won't happen and the species will become extinct. (DARN QUICK!) The point is that is it's not natural no matter how you wish to sugar coat it. It's a mental disorder.....



Even worse under Darwin. It would be a genetic dead end, in short a lethal genetic mutation.
It also totally invalidates the nature over nurture arguement which if true completely removes free agency in one's actions and choices.
Under Darwin's survival of the fittest absent Nature's God socity could remove lethal genetic mutations without remorse.


Do the research. In most cases the LGBT&Qs are the way they are because of their body chemistry. Unarguably, other human mutations occur that make it difficult to impossible to reproduce. People are never born perfect.

You can't catch homosexuality like a disease. Unless you have a genetic predisposition to it, or an injury related hormonal issue, you're not going to suddenly become gay after seeing homosexuals. I have never been attracted to another man and I would guess most of the rest of you have never been attracted to someone of the same sex either.

Of course LGBT&Qs are going to have more problems with depression and suicidal thoughts. Having hordes of "good" Christians tell you you are going to suffer eternal torment and that they don't hate you, but hate your sin, in a judgemental hateful manner is enough to depress anyone.

None of this preclude us from treating LGBT&Qs humanely. If you don't like what they are doing, just ignore them as long as they leave you alone too.

Keith

Posted By: James

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/26/19 04:30 AM

Great post, Keith.

Jim
Posted By: KeithC

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/26/19 04:36 AM

Originally Posted by James
Great post, Keith.

Jim


Thanks James.

Keith
Posted By: James

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/26/19 08:50 AM

"I agree with James that the rights we all share should be protected. I disagree with James that the law should be especially vigilant about protecting the rights of those classes of people who have experienced a long history of discrimination. I believe that justice should be truly blind. When justice is not fair for all, the people who are being maligned start hating those who are being treated preferentially. Hate just leads to more hate."

There is truth in what you say, Keith. Preferential treatment for one group is bound to give rise to resentment in other groups.

I said the law should be especially vigilant, not preferential. While it's an ideal to strive for, equality in the law, our legal system is staffed by fallible, bigoted human beings. We need to be aware and to account for reality here.

Jim
Posted By: Diggerman

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/26/19 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by KeithC
Originally Posted by zoozoo400
I'm not sure what morality has to do with gender identity


Gender identity is lumped with homosexuality by most people. Most Trapperman members are Christians. They mostly ignore that Jesus never mentioned hatred and punishment of homosexuals and go back to Leviticus, in the Old Testament, to find their anti homosexual stance propped up, while ignoring most of the rest of the Old Testament in favor of the New Testament.

I believe Paul was the only person in the New Testament to mention homosexuality and he basically restated Leviticus. Paul never met Jesus, except in a vision and they did not have a long conversation.

I would guess that Jesus would be okay with homosexuals, except for the ones that constantly seek attention, who want special rights and who harass others. I think that most homosexuals are homosexual because of their hormone development. All the lesbians I have met had longer ring fingers than index fingers, which is a secondary male sex characteristic and the few gay men I have talked to had longer index fingers, like most women do.

Keith

How many of you are looking down at your fingers right now, hoping to (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) that the middle finger isn't the Index?
Posted By: gryhkl

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/26/19 09:52 AM

In ninth grade biology class we learned that an index finger shorter than the ring finger is caused by a gene that is male dominate and female recessive. I doubt it's a very accurate indicator of sexual preference.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/26/19 11:14 AM

So Keith and James , y'all both are willing to accept the science that homosexuality is a type of genetic mutation. Surely y'all also believe if left to its on device that those with such mutations would become extinct due to the fact male can't reproduce with male, nor female with female.
Yet y'all both agree that their depression is caused by Christians, not a chemical imbalance, medications, or stressful life events. So.... who's being judgmental?
Posted By: warrior

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/26/19 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by J Staton
So Keith and James , y'all both are willing to accept the science that homosexuality is a type of genetic mutation. Surely y'all also believe if left to its on device that those with such mutations would become extinct due to the fact male can't reproduce with male, nor female with female.
Yet y'all both agree that their depression is caused by Christians, not a chemical imbalance, medications, or stressful life events. So.... who's being judgmental?



Shhhh, it's stuff like this that actually causes the mental unbalance. When facts clash with their perception or they try to piece together a coherent narrative using only parts and trying to hide inconvenient truths.
Posted By: KeithC

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/26/19 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by J Staton
So Keith and James , y'all both are willing to accept the science that homosexuality is a type of genetic mutation. Surely y'all also believe if left to its on device that those with such mutations would become extinct due to the fact male can't reproduce with male, nor female with female.
Yet y'all both agree that their depression is caused by Christians, not a chemical imbalance, medications, or stressful life events. So.... who's being judgmental?


I said, "Of course LGBT&Qs are going to have more problems with depression and suicidal thoughts. Having hordes of "good" Christians tell you you are going to suffer eternal torment and that they don't hate you, but hate your sin, in a judgemental hateful manner is enough to depress anyone."

I did not say that the depression of LGBT&Qs is not caused by chemical imbalance, medications or other stressful life events. People are complex beings. There is a multitude of factors from genetics, life experiences, mental support structure, friends, parents, physical health and more that effect how we think and feel. I think you will admit that being told you are bound for eternal torment, by people you love and respect is an extremely stressful life event, for anyone. I am sure LGBT&Qs have it even worse in Muslim countries.

Genes are not a simple on/off switch. Recessive genes can lay hidden in a population for years before they get a chance to align. Stress on the mother during pregnancy has been proven to trigger some genes that otherwise lay latent, that cause symptoms such as obesity and homosexuality in the unborn in mice, rats and humans. There is likely some biological advantage in homosexuality to the human race, if maybe not to the homosexual themselves. Maybe they act as care givers to siblings in times of famine, without creating much additional strain on the population?

The urban animal: population density and social pathology in rodents and humans

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2636191/

Maternal Nutrition and Risk of Obesity in Offspring: The Trojan Horse of Developmental Plasticity

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3855628/

Keith
Posted By: KeithC

Re: College students- Gender issues-Mental problems - 08/26/19 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by gryhkl
In ninth grade biology class we learned that an index finger shorter than the ring finger is caused by a gene that is male dominate and female recessive. I doubt it's a very accurate indicator of sexual preference.


I said, "All the lesbians I have met had longer ring fingers than index fingers, which is a secondary male sex characteristic and the few gay men I have talked to had longer index fingers, like most women do."

By very obvious definition, secondary sex characteristics are not a primary manner of determining gender. If they were they would be primary sex characteristics.

I use secondary sex characteristics to identify the sex of pigeons, almost daily. I run about 93% accurate on homing pigeons and Birmingham rollers. In other breeds of pigeons I am less accurate. I also use secondary sex characteristics to sex guinea fowl.

I first noticed the morphological, finger length difference in homosexuals in the mid nineties. Since then, studies have proven I was correct in my theory.

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc...e-one-s-sexual-orientation-study-n922291

Keith
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