Rep. Jordan Blasts Red Flag Laws

The fact that the others don’t see the negative impact of Red Flag Laws, is a red flag.

I'm waiting on the forums most staunch conservative to respond before commenting.

The guy is exactly right. It is 100% unconstitutional. They are taking away a persons rights without due process. A 2nd grade constitutional scholar could figure that one out.

Take Nancy Regan advice and just say no. Forcefully

Red flag laws sound nice in theory-take crazy people's guns away before they use them shoot people. Seems simple when you phrase it like that. The problem is that you're taking away a person's rights based on something they*might* do, or based on something they did that was maybe weird but not illegal (things like acting crazy, making random empty threats, etc). For a red flag law to work, it'd require extreme due process. For me to get behind it, it'd require a trial of sorts with a jury of peers, nothing could be taken away until after this trial, and guns could only be taken away for things that a person has actually done, not what they might do, and only a small specific list of things, spelled out in the law-things like attempted suicide or specific realistic threats of harm with a gun (not just "I'm gonna kill you", but a specific threat of violence with a gun.)

I've yet to see any proposals for red flag laws that I could support.

Threatening someone can be a felony. “Red Flag” already exists. Hard to shoot somebody from a jail cell.

Passing it will be another notch in the Demonic Democrats policy to remove Guns.

He said it all! He is right.

The concept is sound. Nobody wants crazy people to be armed.

But crazy people have constitutional protection too.

Finding a constitutional way to administer that concept is likely impossible.

Pete

X2, thankfully we still have someone like Jordan in there. Not sure he will be able to stop it though, hopefully the Senate will.

We used to have a legal mechanism for just this.

It was called Family. It even had a backup system called Church.

But 50 years of great society did away with that.

We use to lock the crazies up.

Not sure which is more un-constitutional, taking their gun or throwing them in a mental hospital.

Niether are unconstitutional at all after proper due process has been applied. The 14th amendment says "No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."

The debate is what that due process should be.

What was the process for locking them up, if you know? I don't.

Goose,
Wanted to say i respect anyones vote and your reason, on that other thread that disappeared before i could say so.
I may not agree with ya, but i'm glad you vote.

Here is, IMO, a reasonable discussion of red flag laws.

Pod cast.

https://fedsoc.org/events/red-flag-laws

The real danger is going to be people walking around all bottled up because they can’t blow off a little steam verbally, fearing the due process of Red Laws.

You have a lot of faith in a less than perfect judicial system . Juries are hand picked ,and then repicked by prosecution and defense

I don't have very much faith in it, actually. But a jury of peers is better than a single judge deciding someone's fate.

Didn't Trump say some thing about "take the guns first.....worry about due process second"? I remember because I almost spit a mouthful of coffee watching him say it on the news.

One of the more troubling things he has said......and that is a very high bar.

He sure did. Later he said something about taking guns after due process, someone must have told him he sounded like a democrat.

He also said guns don't pull the trigger people do, which took a lot of guts.

Meanwhile, in Chicago, as of today . . .

Year to Date
Shot & Killed: 339
Shot & Wounded: 1657
Total Shot: 1996
Total Homicides: 371

The age to purchase a firearm is 21. The state requires gun owners to obtain licenses and face background checks as well as imposing waiting periods on firearms purchases. Judges can take guns away from owners who are deemed to be a threat to themselves or others. And recent legislation aims to begin a fingerprinting database of all gun owners in the state.

So, red flag laws are going to do what??

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/chicago-strictest-laws-violent-crime-rates/

Please. Someone wrote it for him on a post it note.

I don't care if he wrote it on his fore head.

At least they didn't write...

Heck yes were gonna take your guns!

There's your choices.

You're missing the point. Trump popped off about a very serious constitutional issue and then recited obvious NRA talking points.

Of course I agree guns don't kill people. I'm more concerned that the president did, in fact, say he would take guns without due process. He said it before Beto.

Nope, I was addressing you saying someone wrote it for him.

I'm glad he has people to write what he said instead of what I wrote above.

Where did I go wrong?

Again, kinda hard to not see this as a factual point hippie. He didn't write it, he said it. I will not vote for any Dem. I'm bummed that we are where we are. Trump has done so much for our great nation, more so than a Dem, any Dem. But lets call a spade a spade on his real view of the 2nd. You or no one else can say he is a "shall not be infringed" President.

I didn't think it was hard to figure out I was talking about its better to elect a president who surrounds himself with people who pull him back from dumb statements ,than one who has people who would tell him to take your guns. I said the "they", not "him".

You elect more than the stooge who does the talking.

The "someone" in this statement.

I wrote.....at least they...........

I agree 100%. Sounds great until you take into consideration that there will be those who interpert the law to fit their needs....has to be due process. Its like the phrase "common sense gun laws" so commonly in use by the left...I suspect many of us would thing there is much common sense to it!!

lol

This was some serious mental gymnastics.

We’ve seen better from the likes of you people.