The Only Way Mass Shootings Will End

On Sept. 16, 2013, the Washington DC Navy Yard was under attack by a shooter. 12 people were killed. Jennifer Bennett was shot point blank with a shotgun and was the only survivor of those who were shot. This is a condensed version of a discussion she had about ending mass shootings.

What causes mass shootings? Many are talking about the gun, the size of the magazine, and background checks. Although mass shootings by definition require a gun, it's not the gun's fault. It never has been and never will be. It's the culture America has created that allows mass shootings.

Americans have always had access to firearms. In the 1960s we still had guns, but we didn't have the culture of mass shootings that we have today. If we want to end mass shooting, we must change the culture that facilitates mass shootings.

American culture was founded on Christian principles that are literally enshrined in our founding documents. Today, our culture has eliminated any reference of Christianity. In some cases, personal religious beliefs actually land the faithful afoul of the law. The last few decades have witnessed an increased hostility toward Christians. When government can punish an individual for not baking a cake, or selling flowers, then the culture has shifted away from religious freedom to something else.

Our culture no longer allows our children to fail, or to face the consequences of their actions. Today, if a child doesn't pass a class, it's the teacher's fault. Everyone who tries out for the cheerleading squad makes it, and at the end of the season, everyone gets a trophy.

So, when that child grows into adulthood having never failed at anything, it no wonder life's ordinary challenges can turn huge events that these adults are simply not prepared to handle. And when there's no God to answer to and no value for human life, it's not too implausible to think this adult just might go out and buy a gun to punish the person (s) who made him fail.

When our children grow up in a culture that rewards hard work, achievement and excellence, then mass shootings will end. And when our culture again embraces a higher authority, then mass shootings will end.

AMEN!

Its about right. Alas we are way past the point of no return.

I'm afraid so too.

That was the most intelligent thing I have heard about that subject in a long time .

I think social media and the attention the shooters get are a big part of that cultural change in the last 10-15 years. Some of the shootings are certainly a cry for attention, and they know they will get it. But there's no way the media will stop reporting them, because they get clicks and help advance their liberal agenda.

I don't go for it, but it's as good an excuse as anything ! People grew up with guns for years and not religion and still did not go out and mass kill.

There's a mental problem that allows people to bring less value to life and a quicker end to it without thought. I'd like to believe that religion might be able to stave this off, however I can't wrap my head around something that has for even longer caused much more senseless loss of life, before guns were even thought of !

“Sometimes the only proof of God you can show someone is that you haven’t killed them yet.”

What a simple solution: change the culture.

How realistic is that approach?

Jim

Use to be automatic through assimilation. How long has it taken to become separated?

Going to take at least twice that long to get back.

Progressive morality began in the 1960's. Mass shootings became more common in the 1990's. Now in 2019 we have what we have now. So if we begin now,and the timeline is similar, by 2050 things should start to normalize which would be good for our children and grandchildren.

As a Christian Hobbie, you know that change for the individual can be instant.

Agree. It is only going to get worse as the Progressives continue to take over our country. We are imploding and people especially the liberal left don’t see it until the country eventually collapses under their control.

Been saying the same thing for years.

It must be realistic, it seems to have happened. A lot of kids in my class took guns to school, to go hunting afterwards. Nobody though of shooting the place up, that wasn't the culture at the time.

Here is the only way out that I can see for the future, and how real change will come about.
In my opinion, before too long, jihadists will be the new "mass shooters". They are already in place waiting for their orders. They now have Congressional representation!
Once they attack, the Sleeping Tiger will be awoken. All of us civil and polite citizens who care about this Representative Republic will be there to quash it were it stands.
I am never far from a handgun or a shotgun, but I can't help but think that maybe I should make myself closer to my AR. THAT'S why we need high capacity arms.
If the citizenry is aptly armed and everyone is aware of that fact, then the current crazy, cowardly safe zone assassins will have nowhere to pull off their sick plans.

The only thing that will stop shootings is the victims shooting back. You can try to pray it away all you like but it hasnt stopped anything yet. My plan is to be armed at all possible times and try my best to stay away from gun free zones. But until everyone else starts carrying these things will just continue.

Interesting perspective. Who are you quoting?

I don’t disagree at all with the opening thread, I think it is bang on, but how do you explain the lack of mass shootings in other countries, countries like Canada, which is far, far, far less openly Christian than the USA? We too were built on Christian principles, by Christians and yet mass shootings are rare as a 100 dollar South Carolina coyote.

Population alone? Higher ratio of nuts? We should be having mass shootings galore based on our extreme hatred of anything Christian and our liberal laws regarding morality.

Same for France, Germany, etc., and other places that have forgotten, nay, pushed out God?

Then there is Japan, which has almost no Christian tradition at all.

Jim

How many Christians are required to be in a nation for God to bless it?

superstition has no bearing on this problem. focusing on fairy tales doesn't solve problems.

kids took guns to school when I was a kid too. we had just as many nut cases then. nut cases knew people would fight back if they did something horrible.

it wasn't a crime for a kid being bullied to waylay the bully and put a stop to it. kids today are taught by the school administrators to be victims.

I would get fired if I was a deputy. its hard for me to believe they have found people to write kids a ticket for tobacco and arrest them for fighting.

what kind of principal kicks a kid out of school for showing up with the pocket knife he skins coons with?

superstition has NOTHING to do with the frustration kids are dealing with at school.

True but it still has a religious foundation that promotes a set of moral beliefs and proper behavior associated with it, and if you have ever been there during a religious holiday and seen the number of people that crowd into the shrines and temples you would know that even though they might profess to be Unreligious there is a heavy exposure to the principles and beliefs it provides

And then again it is a completely different culture being one that promotes collective and not a individual beliefs

I believe it to be population. Canada has 54 cities with a population of 100,000 or more, while the U.S. has 349. The majority of what are considered mass shootings are gang related. Since gangs are most common in urban centers, it leads me to this conclusion.
As for Christianity, if it's principles were followed by all (thou shall not murder), there would be no mass shootings. As population centers grow and religious principles are swept away, it will only lead to more carnage. IMO.

Possum Man said

I agree with that even though the shooter in Dayton Ohio shot 17 killing 9 before being killed himself by police a mere 32 seconds after the first shot was fired. Shooters are sociopaths or psychopaths and have no sense of value for the lives of others. We have to create a situation where what they do value is threatened in the event they attempt to harm others. I think the others being armed and capable of shooting back goes a long way towards that goal.

It is a complicated thing that some dope like me can not wrap his mind around at all. One thing is the coddling we do to all the so-called victims out there. My Bride is watching NBC right this moment, and they just, moments ago, had on a segment about the proper way of "counseling" today's children to deal with their feelings concerning Climate Change! I absolutely sh** you not!

We are all doomed.

If you are trying to guage the influence of Christianity based solely off the # of mass shootings in a country your not looking at the big picture. As a country we started to move away from God and a lot of negative things started to increase. We are starting to make things that are bad legal and things that are good illegal. I'm pretty simple but I can see the connection. Some people have chosen not to see the connection because of personal reasons but the connection is still there. Hard to compare this country to other countries because I dont believe there's another country that's founded on individual freedoms such as this country. I believe some of our founders warned that when we lose are moral way we will not be able to keep our freedoms.

satan doesn’t need to work as hard in 3rd world countries, they’re already circling the bowl. lol

It is realistic since the culture changed from what it used to be in my day.

A lot of truth there

I believe your last sentence is right on, brother.

It has taken us many years to get to this point, it will take many more years to get this country turned around if it is possible. JMO

True. But personal accountability is almost a religion unto itself over there.

Mike

The key thing there being THE POLICE killed him. They were very lucky the police were so close by. The videos i saw of it were all the people running scared away from the idiot shooting people. Now think if just HALF the crowd that got fired on immediately drew and returned fire within say 3 seconds that would have changed the outcome of that scenario drastically.

Why dont we simplify this and just say the concept of heaven and (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) .the concept of eternal damnation has been a part of most all religions.and all religions are under attack by an increasingly secular society . I think it is a contributing factor but not the root . There have always been athiest and there have semi automatic guns for many decades. Very few of USA's mass killings are Jihadists.

I think it has more to do with the fact these people can socialize with other people that think it would be cool to kill a bunch of pepole in neer anonymity .then they can practice shooting people as many hours a day as they can stay awake.The games even train them how to use these weapons and select which guns work best in which situations . Which body armor would work best for the return fire they might encounter .These games can be highly technical training programs for mass shootings . I find it hard to beleive that most of these guys could go from a no shooting background to deciding on a weapon and accuiring a weapon learning how to use it , picking out their tactical gear learning how to use it without sombody saying hay this guys up to no good maybe i should call the authorities. If you know exactly what you want when you go to buy a weapon nobodies going to question you.

Many of these people arnt the bullied type outcast they are the bullying type outcast

How come none of us that used to shoot each other with BB guns or choke each other out haven’t participated in a mass shooting or doesn’t that qualify because it wasn’t on a television screen?

Are you advocating for Japanese gun laws?

Japans non Christian history was very evident in the brutality they used until we nuked them into submission.

There would be less child drownings if we did away with swimming pools but we accept the risk for the enjoyment they bring. Personally I will accept the risk of gun violence for the ability to defend my rights and freedoms.

Possumman, we are in agreement.

In researching the Dayton shooting I noted that 2 of the 17 that were shot by the gunman were shot a 2nd time by the police. The Wikipedia article did not say if any of those shot by police were among the 9 killed. In a mob scene of the sort that occurred outside the Ned Peppers bar in Dayton even trained LE cannot avoid causing collateral damage. Armed civilians with less training would have a more difficult time and could be at risk of legal action. I personally would take that chance and hope that others would also.

If more children would hunt, as they did in the past, there would be very few mass shootings. Video games do not give you the "real" knowledge of the finality of death as hunting does.

I also believe that if that mass majority of people carried and everyone KNEW it, then these mass shootings would stop immediately also. None of these mas shooters were looking for a fight, they were looking for victims.

I know lots of people that support the second, but i know VERY few that always carry. Of course we do feel a bit safer down here in nowhere Alabama.

Remember it only counts if its LOADED AND ON YOU!

I usually carry a bow when I'm in Alabama to protect my virginity.

Well dont be a tresspassing there Dirt and we wont have to eat you....lol!

But for the record that movie takes place in north georgia. South alabama we just eat yankees, Thats the rumor im starting anyway so they wont move in next door. One of my neighbors is already an escapee from PA. He is good people though.

Atheists don't require a mythological being in order to know right from wrong, but religion can cause good (but gullible) people to do bad things.

Carry all the weapons you want, if a man is spraying a concert from 400 yards and 32 floors up it ain't gonna help.

Na, it’s a fad, eventually these types of people will move on to something else

He's still weird though, I'll bet.

haha yeah he has some quirks.

Of course they don’t, it’s written on everybody’s heart. lol

As for the hotel coward, certainly carriers in the rooms around the shooter could have made a difference.

Poor parenting, kids raising themselves by what they learn on the internet, asking the schools to feed their kids, constantly asking schools to do more of what parents will not do, blaming the schools when their kids grows up to be amoral, getting kids labeled to excuse their misbehavior and slothfulness.
And parents who do raise good, productive citizens will watch the offspring of these deadbeat parents become leeches that suck blood from their kids labors. In addition to worrying about the wacky kid getting his hands on a semi-auto and a couple 100 round magazines.

Look no further than the breakdown of the American family. Baby-mammas and baby-daddies are a blight on this country.

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