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Posted By: wannabe1

Canada's Prime Minister - 09/23/19 03:45 AM

I am ashamed we have such an idiot in power up here...the day after he got caught in the blackface scandal he announces he will ban any semi auto military style firearm...ar's sks, mini-14, garands you name it we have to hand them in within two years....we are screwed...we know pump actions and handguns are next...our only hope is to vote him out on his arse next month...
Posted By: Law Dog

Re: Canada's Prime Minister - 09/23/19 03:50 AM

! more reason to dump the chump!
Posted By: James

Re: Canada's Prime Minister - 09/23/19 04:06 AM

Does your PM have that much power, that he can ban guns all by himself?

A shame you have no Second Amendment.

Jim
Posted By: wannabe1

Re: Canada's Prime Minister - 09/23/19 04:15 AM

we don't even have property rights in our constitution...yes he could do it tomorrow through what they call an order in council...he is using this gun crap as a tactic to get votes from the left wing and to divert attention from his other stupid moves....its a crying shame what this country has turned into...I would immigrate back south but its not very easy...my grandmothers came here from Oklahoma and Oregon back in the day...
Posted By: Hutchy

Re: Canada's Prime Minister - 09/23/19 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by Law Dog
! more reason to dump the chump!



Like we needed another...

The outdoors way of life is completely under attack it seems. In a politicians eyes it's a shame we want to own guns, and trap, and kill and skin things. To Trudeau, we are here annoyances. Look at all the crap I have to do to maintain this lifestyle. Courses and licenses, and renewals, and regulations...

They don't understand why we don't take up nice activities like the city folk do. Stuff that is acceptable and unregulated...look at pretty much any other activity. Backpacking, snowmobiling, Cycling, triathlons, bowling, billiards, the myriad of sports, martial arts, car collecting, antiques....and the list goes on. Nothing is as regulated, licensed and attacked as resource based outdoor pursuits, and anything including guns... To most politicians, they can't understand why we want to do those things.

We know.

And I hope to God we send a message to this Trudeau shmuck this October that there is still a large portion of us who don't live in cities, who recognize his policies as disastrous, and who will fight forever to do what we love.
Posted By: thebeaverguy

Re: Canada's Prime Minister - 09/23/19 11:50 AM

^^^^^ I hear you, Hutchy. Best of luck dumping your Canadian version of a political fraud.
Posted By: walleyed

Re: Canada's Prime Minister - 09/23/19 11:52 AM

You guys are screwed. frown

Maybe BOCO can save you ?

w
Posted By: Hodagtrapper

Re: Canada's Prime Minister - 09/23/19 12:26 PM

My hope is the wishes of all Canadian sportsmen will come to fruition! The current Prime Minister needs to be shown the door!

Chris
Posted By: Hutchy

Re: Canada's Prime Minister - 09/23/19 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by walleyed
You guys are screwed. frown

Maybe BOCO can save you ?

w



Id vote for the Easter bunny at this point over Trudeau
Posted By: Hutchy

Re: Canada's Prime Minister - 09/23/19 12:29 PM

My real fear isn't Trudeau. It's that a significant portion of the population support his policies. It's Canadians who enabled him.

That's the scary part. It's not one cooky politician, the majority support is what is incomprehensible.
Posted By: slydogx

Re: Canada's Prime Minister - 09/23/19 12:45 PM

We have a big Fudd problem here.
Every french farmer within 100km of me would run over his own mother to go and vote for a Liberal candidate. They figure their 50 year old Ithaca single shot is safe.
Posted By: Hutchy

Re: Canada's Prime Minister - 09/23/19 01:04 PM

Slydogx, Ya, we get that in our trappers meetings. the whole "it doesn't affect me, why should I care?" theory.

Kind of like the OFAH and the proposed wolf ban. We couldn't seem to get them to give two hoots about the wolf ban. And now three years later they are all whining about the lack of moose...

Well, maybe if you fought with us there would be a few more moose.

Complacency can hang ya. Sure, ARs and handguns now...but then what? When does a scoped rifle become a high powered long distance sniper rifle?
Posted By: walleyed

Re: Canada's Prime Minister - 09/23/19 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by slydogx
We have a big Fudd problem here.
Every french farmer within 100km of me would run over his own mother to go and vote for a Liberal candidate. They figure their 50 year old Ithaca single shot is safe.


What about all the immigrants from former British commonwealth countries

Like Pakistan, India, Hong Kong, Malaysia, etc.

Do their voting records indicate they are supporting Liberal Gun Control candidates ?

w
Posted By: Hutchy

Re: Canada's Prime Minister - 09/23/19 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by walleyed
Originally Posted by slydogx
We have a big Fudd problem here.
Every french farmer within 100km of me would run over his own mother to go and vote for a Liberal candidate. They figure their 50 year old Ithaca single shot is safe.


What about all the immigrants from former British commonwealth countries

Like Pakistan, India, Hong Kong, Malaysia, etc.

Do their voting records indicate they are supporting Liberal Gun Control candidates ?

w


Well, I'd bet the farm that since Trudeau opened his arms to them...
Posted By: slydogx

Re: Canada's Prime Minister - 09/23/19 01:31 PM

Most of those votes are in the urban areas, and we aren't likely to sway them but here's my 2 cents...

Lots of the "old guard" from India are (quietly) conservative voters... not because of gun laws, but because they are fairly morally conservative and religious in their own ways. It is the urban youth and people traditionally on the left that would never vote conservative regardless of gun laws.

All of the trade unions here will aggressively push their unions to vote Liberal. Those staunchly marxist trade unionists who are unhappy that the National unions got in bed with the Liberals will continue to vote NDP or Green. Lots (70%) of their membership climb in a pickup truck once a year and drive 12 plus hours north to drink and pretend to shoot at a moose... somehow, they don't see how that is connected to their votes.

Nearly all francophones here see the Conservatives as unfriendly to their language and heritage and too "protestant" for their liking.... so the problem is that with an overwhelmingly tilted urban vote, any turncoats on the rural side will absolutely sink us every time and it is clear that their gun rights are not all that important to them.

Sad
Posted By: Hutchy

Re: Canada's Prime Minister - 09/23/19 01:42 PM

So we throw all our weight behind the Parti Quebequois, let them leave Canada, and enjoy Conservative governments going forward.

I see no downside except for isolating the Newfies a bit...
Posted By: slydogx

Re: Canada's Prime Minister - 09/23/19 01:45 PM

Hutchy, I'm talking about francophones here in Southern Ontario... every soybean farmer from Windsor on up to Chatham.
There will be an ocean of red election signs here once they get going.
Posted By: mainer

Re: Canada's Prime Minister - 09/23/19 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Hutchy
Slydogx, Ya, we get that in our trappers meetings. the whole "it doesn't affect me, why should I care?" theory.

Kind of like the OFAH and the proposed wolf ban. We couldn't seem to get them to give two hoots about the wolf ban. And now three years later they are all whining about the lack of moose...

Well, maybe if you fought with us there would be a few more moose.

Complacency can hang ya. Sure, ARs and handguns now...but then what? When does a scoped rifle become a high powered long distance sniper rifle?

There certainly seems to be a lack unity among sportsmen, trappers, ranchers, farmers and rural communities more generally. We have common ground in our values and ways of living that should make for a more effective unified voice, but geography has traditionally kept us apart from one another.

That sort of geographical separation is no longer an obstacle with the internet, but I think the mindset of that past still remains. It's no accident that liberals can amass large crowds in the streets of New York, Los Angeles, Washington or any other urban areas in protest or support of whatever cause they choose. They're already there! And we also know who's "already there" gleefully covering those spectacles.

Wouldn't it be nice to have sportsman, trappers, ranchers, farmers and rural people from all over the country (countries) come together and march on their nation's capitals as one voice? It would be in the millions.
Posted By: slydogx

Re: Canada's Prime Minister - 09/23/19 02:47 PM

Even if it happened here, the overwhelming urban majorities could sink us every time. Canada has huge concentrations of humans in limited locations and the rest of us are spread out across the landscape... it is very difficult to bring about effective change with a rural vote when the urbanites are not on side
Posted By: Hutchy

Re: Canada's Prime Minister - 09/23/19 03:08 PM

Its not like I have all the answers, but why can't we have both?

A political system where city people can keep on doing whatever the heck it is they do, and I can hunt trap and fish in peace.
Posted By: slydogx

Re: Canada's Prime Minister - 09/23/19 03:12 PM

It would be nice Hutchy

If we had a more effective constitution and proper recognition of personal property rights therein we'd probably be much farther ahead in that regard. Unfortunately, lots of Canadians are accustomed to the idea of being subjects (whether they admit it or not) and it colors their opinions on such things.
Posted By: Getting There

Re: Canada's Prime Minister - 09/23/19 03:15 PM

Our 2nd amendment has very little meaning to our elected officials anymore and it is in our Constitution. The U.S. is on a slippery slope. JMO
Posted By: mainer

Re: Canada's Prime Minister - 09/23/19 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by Hutchy
Its not like I have all the answers, but why can't we have both?

A political system where city people can keep on doing whatever the heck it is they do, and I can hunt trap and fish in peace.

We can and we do. It isn't "game over" yet, or even close. We obviously need to be concerned about what's happening with the avalanche of proposed gun bans in both the U.S. and Canada, but not to the point of being paralyzed with these election cycle stunts (I'm not talking about you per se, Hutch).

We should see this as an opportunity to strengthen our numbers and alliances with other like-minded people. I don't have all the answers either, far from it, but I do know that lack of awareness is not our weak point...we excel at letting each other know how bad things are for us, and that's a good thing to a degree.

The Sportsmen’s Alliance is the only organization I know of that brings together hunting, trapping, fishing and gun owner interests under one umbrella. Trappers are usually the odd man out, the group that gets thrown under the bus when the heat is turned up. The Sportsmen's Alliance doesn't do that. In fact, they make it a point to include trappers in their advocacy. So there’s no need to reinvent the wheel here, but getting involved in some way is a step forward. There's plenty to do. At least take a look.

https://www.sportsmensalliance.org/
Posted By: Grandpa Trapper

Re: Canada's Prime Minister - 09/23/19 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by Hutchy
Its not like I have all the answers, but why can't we have both?

A political system where city people can keep on doing whatever the heck it is they do, and I can hunt trap and fish in peace.


The liberal urbanites will never let us. They want us to live by their warped rules and values without ever considering ours. It is all about power and anger to control everything. I feel this country is forever divided.
Posted By: Hodagtrapper

Re: Canada's Prime Minister - 09/23/19 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by mainer
Originally Posted by Hutchy
Its not like I have all the answers, but why can't we have both?

A political system where city people can keep on doing whatever the heck it is they do, and I can hunt trap and fish in peace.

We can and we do. It isn't "game over" yet, or even close. We obviously need to be concerned about what's happening with the avalanche of proposed gun bans in both the U.S. and Canada, but not to the point of being paralyzed with these election cycle stunts (I'm not talking about you per se, Hutch).

We should see this as an opportunity to strengthen our numbers and alliances with other like-minded people. I don't have all the answers either, far from it, but I do know that lack of awareness is not our weak point...we excel at letting each other know how bad things are for us, and that's a good thing to a degree.

The Sportsmen’s Alliance is the only organization I know of that brings together hunting, trapping, fishing and gun owner interests under one umbrella. Trappers are usually the odd man out, the group that gets thrown under the bus when the heat is turned up. The Sportsmen's Alliance doesn't do that. In fact, they make it a point to include trappers in their advocacy. So there’s no need to reinvent the wheel here, but getting involved in some way is a step forward. There's plenty to do. At least take a look.

https://www.sportsmensalliance.org/


Thanks for the heads up!

Chris
Posted By: upstateNY

Re: Canada's Prime Minister - 09/23/19 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by wannabe1
I am ashamed we have such an idiot in power up here...the day after he got caught in the blackface scandal he announces he will ban any semi auto military style firearm...ar's sks, mini-14, garands you name it we have to hand them in within two years....we are screwed...we know pump actions and handguns are next...our only hope is to vote him out on his arse next month...

Hes a girly boy and should stick to wearing dresses.
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