Security Camera Buck

I have a few security cameras around the place and this intruder was on camera. I'm not a whitetail hunter and haven't hunted them a few times through the years. So, could someone tell me what he would score roughly.

He would score plenty. Probably in the neighborhood of 160.

Sure 150s but probably more like 160s. Cant see brow tines or width.

Thanks.
I don't score WT very well but would of guessed about 140 or so.

Young Deer.

No mass to his circumferences,

G-2s and G-3 tines don't go 10",

brows less than 6"

main beams short, no more than 22"

inside spread looks average, no more than 17"

Not enough inches for 160" gross, let alone net.

135" tops and that's giving it extreme benefit of the doubt.

Nice potential though for greatness in 3 more years.

Let him grow up.

w

I have to disagree. Looks to be at least 4 years old. Montana buck gonna weigh somewhere in the 200 to 250 pound range. This photo makes it look like his neck isn't straight with his shoulders but it is the way he is standing. Looking closely I can see the waddle and the brow tines. Looks to have pretty even . He as 18" or better inside and his sweep and body size make for long beams. He isn't huge but has good mass and tine length for a 10 point. I'd sy above 150 no problem.

I question the OP' s use of game cams in MT

No game cameras can be used in MT. I have security cameras at the ranch to thieves and trespassers. I have them in buildings and some at entrance ways to my place. I get a lot of pictures of trespassers. I have mentioned that many times and no baiting or any electronic devices can be used for hunting.

I'd say he'd be pushing 150". Good deer, I wouldn't give him a pass

So, you never ordered those wild game innovation cams you mentioned on October 13?

Thanks everyone, I have no idea on how to score but a guess. I don't hunt them but a few times in my 50 years of hunting. As far as scoring goes I will hunt a deer that impresses me more then what it scores. If I hunt and see a wide, dark heavy horned deer or elk I hunt them regardless of the score. This year I took a muley that wouldn't score for beans but I like him for is width, height and color.

I don't think you are looking at the same deer I am seeing. Look again at the length of that left beam, the right is probably about the same. 4-5 year old deer 160 all day maybe gross 170. Huge buck anywhere. Here's a pic of a 161 gross I shot, and the deer in the pic is at least this big maybe bigger.

I’d stick him.
Send him to Northern Michigan he’d have 50 arrows in him by 9am before he ever measured 90”

Nope,

He's a pencil beamed 3 year old with a lot of potential but doesn't have the goods for a 160".

I've actually killed a NET 160" 5/8th typical in Alberta that is in the B&C Whitetail record book shot near the Beaver River below Cold Lake so I'm aware of what it takes to get to 160".

Snowy's trespasser buck doesn't have the goods.

two or three more years maybe but not this year.

w.

Thanks for all the expert scoring. Always amazes me how you guys can score them. LOL I just have a hard time judging them in the field. I went and sat tonight nothing but a few does but a beautiful night. If I get some more pictures of him I will post them and might have a better shot of his horns.

Well you missed the length of his main beams by 6 inches so that's all I need to know about your ability to score them on the hoof. Here's an ACTUAL photo of a 135-inch Montana 3.5 year old. Big difference between this buck I shot in 2012 and the buck in the photo. I hope the OP shoots him and scores him and you'll see how far off you are.

22" mainbeams , g1s at 5", g2s at 9" , g3s 8", g4s 7" and probably 32" of mass with a 17" spread would be 151". I really believe that's on the conservative side. Here's a buck my friend took last week that's 154" and they are very similar

Looks as though the right brow tine is split.

Those are some great bucks! Wow!

Ambush >> tonight when I walked out there was a guy from MI that was hunting below me. He said he is here for 4 days and hopes to get a good one. I wished him well and hope he gets what he came for. He was a nice young man.

BB >> I most likely won't shot him but I have a couple of guys that might. I will defiantly get a score and some pictures. Beautiful bucks you shot.

I measure for B&C and P &Y. Always tell people I'm a measurer not a guesser, but if I had to guess I'd say 151 gross. If he walked by me he would be getting shot at. Nice buck!

Snowy, if you see that MI hunter tell him us Mi guys are rooting for him...it's stressful when your on a short time table to get it done...

No shame in killing that whitetail you posted pics of...I have a wall full of bucks most hunters would turn there noses up at, almost everyone has been shot on public hunting grounds here in MI with a bow and I'm proud of those kills...Actually the one I'm after here may score 90 if I'm lucky but I do know a few locals that have been hunting him so I like the competition...

I will do that Ambush and good luck to you. Scores to me mean nothing it is what the hunt is about and the animal that you want.

Shot at 150" 10 couple weeks ago, This buck is better than that one.

snowy - shoot that thing, it will be delicious

then we you can measure it and prove us all wrong

150 -160

Deer is 4 1/2 to 5 1/2 years old. WAY too broad across the back to be a 3 year old ......

BNB,

you really like showing off pics of yourself, don't you ?

Until that buck gets ground checked and actually taped.

Our opinions are like ars....well you know. Every body's got one.

Snowy asked for opinions on score, and I gave mine.

Nobody said you had to agree with it

Truth be told the photo of the deer provided doesn't allow for enough info

to accurately judge it's score.

One thing I know, hunters tend to over estimate rack scores

much like they over-estimate deer weights.

All is fine and dandy until the deer hits the certified scales,

or the steel measuring tape come out.

Then things get pretty quiet.

His left main beam IS better than his right

but no way does that buck sport 28" main beams.

Not a chance.

w

Snowy, I’m a certifiable security specialist ! You want I should take him out ? Lol .

The fact of the matter is, its hard to score a deer by a picture...at least without a good reference. We all know the tricky camera angles. Years ago I posted pictures on another chat board of the same deer but from different angles. They were posted months apart. The general consensus was 130" on one picture and 155" on the other. The deer actually scored 141 and some change.

With that being said, its still fun to play the game. My initial guess of the OP's deer was 150", plus or minus 3".

ol'dad

Walleyed what makes you think this is a young deer. LOOK AT HIS SHOULDERS. !!! 150 plus all day long. gross.

Snowy - asking for a score from a picture is tantamount to starting a riot mate! Roughly - he's between 130-170. Not sarcasm, just best anyone can reliably do from the one shot not putting a tape measure on em.

Exactly, scoring from a photo, then arguing about it is just stupid. This just is ruining deer hunting for normal people. If you need the meat, shoot the deer. If you want something to brag about and say hey, look at me, do a check up from the neck up. Good grief.

Dang snowy OLe bucksnbulls*** is obsessed with you! Jotting down each date you make a post ....... LOL LOL I don't even know where I was on Oct 13 let alone what some posted on here

How long ago did you kill him? Ones that are that size are deleted from the records and no longer appear after 3 years

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Young Deer.

No mass to his circumferences,

G-2s and G-3 tines don't go 10",

brows less than 6"

main beams short, no more than 22"

inside spread looks average, no more than 17"

Not enough inches for 160" gross, let alone net.

135" tops and that's giving it extreme benefit of the doubt.

Nice potential though for greatness in 3 more years.

Let him grow up.

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I have deer hunted every year for 43 years,have a lifetime license in 2 states and have spent 1000's of hours in the woods. I take 4 weeks off from work every November to deer hunt and trap. Not only have I never killed a deer as nice as that one, I have never seen a deer alive as nice as that one. If I thought I had to pass that deer because he was too small I would sell everything I own associated with deer hunting and start shopping with my wife...... TOMORROW!

After looking closely at the pic snowy, I can tell you quite a bit. He is definitely a he and in the deer community he is known as Jud. Although he is very masculine he enjoys long walks in the rain, listening to the cicadas give the night to the crickets with his date and loves hanging with his special someone counting cars by the highway. He is actually only 2 1/2 years old, he gets his blocky build from his mom's (Jane) side. He would rather not be scored because he does volunteer work for the BBA. That is Button Buck Anonymous for wayward bucks and wishes not to offend them. He has referred to people who score him as idiots, his words not mine. Hope this helps.

It definitely helps Catch!! I've got a pretty good handle on what you score now too. Lol. Dont take me too serious I'm just having a little fun along with you.

1994.

It's listed in the Boone & Crockett Records of North American Whitetail Deer,

4th edition, published in 2003. Any buck scoring over 160" typical is listed after the 170" + deer.

It's all time B&C rank in 2003 was 4,423 and ranked 188 for the Province of Alberta

I stopped hunting Alberta in 2000 when hunts started going over $5,000 U.S.

BTW out of 70 typical 170" or bigger whitetail entries entered from Montana and listed in

the 2003 record book, only SIX had a main beam of 28" or more

28" Main Beams are fairly scarce in Montana.

Just saying.

w

From the pic I've got to work with, He just looks small.

it's really a blurry pic and I can't magnify it to study it better

After hunting Borealis whitetail in Northern Alberta, most whitetail look small to me.

And the rack looks spindley to me as well. Tines don't look very long when compared with the ears, either.

I just don't see a 160" rack.

So what do you think this deer WEIGHS Jbyrd63 ?

w

Young Deer.

No mass to his circumferences,

G-2s and G-3 tines don't go 10",

brows less than 6"

main beams short, no more than 22"

inside spread looks average, no more than 17"

Not enough inches for 160" gross, let alone net.

135" tops and that's giving it extreme benefit of the doubt.

Nice potential though for greatness in 3 more years.

Let him grow up. (This was sarcasm)

w


I have deer hunted every year for 43 years,have a lifetime license in 2 states and have spent 1000's of hours in the woods. I take 4 weeks off from work every November to deer hunt and trap. Not only have I never killed a deer as nice as that one, I have never seen a deer alive as nice as that one. If I thought I had to pass that deer because he was too small I would sell everything I own associated with deer hunting and start shopping with my wife...... TOMORROW!
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I never told anyone not to shoot any deer.

My point was in a few years he will have a much more impressive rack.

I'm not a Antler worshiper and I never was.

I am a meat hunter at heart

w

LOL walleye you think guessing antler score with that pic is hard his weight would be impossible!! First cant see all his neck. PLUS how long is his body? My guess of his age was based mostly on the width of his frame which is pretty clear on my computer. His rack is really good . Booner ? After deductions doubt it. But he is pushing 160 class IN MY OPINION ........ I have seen a bunch of 160 ish deer on the hoof. But you are correct in that a lot of 170-180 deer turn into mid to upper 140's when the tape measure comes out.


But as for Boone & Crockett scores they only leave deer that score over 160 but under 170 in the book for 1 print cycle . Which is every 3 years. The next edition that comes out those deer aren't published again. Only the "all time" (over 170) B&C deer stay in the records forever .

LOL

If you look at the pic real close he has some really nice brows. Look at the deers left side . The brow almost looks like his g-3 but that is really his brow showing up because of the angle.

Really?
Go ahead JBird, post those pics ONE more time.
And to the OP, I see mid 150- 160.
Dandy!

Very nice deer,some one needs to shoot it so we get a tape to it.My guess is 146-148 another year will put more mass on his antlers,it's a shooter or a good wall hanger.

Sorry but trail cameras absolutely can be used in Montana.The cell type can not be used in season.That law was changed a couple years ago.Check the regs.

I question your knowledge of Mt game laws .
According to taxi man it is legal to use game cams

Early in this thread all you were worried about was if snowy broke the law !
Always got to stir in something don't you.

You may be right on that, jbyrd63.

The latest B&C whitetail record book I have is that 4th edition and in it, they listed 39 Sub-170" Alberta whitetail scoring at least 160".

Some of those 39 Sub-170" deer were shot as far back as 1976, so at least until 2003,

they were still listing those sub-170" deer at the end of each listing of booners along it's rank.

Update******* I just checked my Copies of the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Edition B&C Whitetail Record Books

and they certainly DO continue to cumulatively list all Sub-170" whitetails scoring over 160 inches.

For Alberta, they list all whitetail entered over 160" inches in every Edition of the record book

from the 1st Edition onward through the 4th Edition.

Now maybe now a days, because of space considerations, they have stopped this practice, but as of 2003, they are listed in all the record books.

w

Hey Snowy,

Any more news on the security camera buck ?

Has he been ground checked yet ?

Any updates ?

w