Right wing socialists.

In what world are socialists, in this case Nazi's, ( National Socialist Party) extreme right wing?

https://www.foxnews.com/world/germany-dresden-nazi-emergency

They're right wing if you look at the European model of right and left. There the left is international/globalist socialists and the right are national socialists. It was the difference between Mussolini/Hitler and Stalin.

Would that be the same as a rhino ? ..............socialist light.............bud light

All the same to me... They all worship the state as god.

Mike

Nazis/facists are at the far right on the political spectrum,communists at the far left.
Their ideologys are so different that they hate each other.In society where the two exist it has always led to war with one annihilating the other.Spain-Facists won with the help of Americans,and in WW2 the Communists won(Stalin) also with the help of the west(opening of the western front allowed the communists to defeat Hitler and take berlin)

does that mean capitalists like me who detest socialism and communism, who want free market economies, are centrists? That Bernie Sanders and Trudeau are right wingers?

I've posted this before .

I say communists socialists and facists are not all that different, they all claim the role of government is to nanny the citizens.

In the European system perhaps. Far right in the American system are anarchists, then as you move left you hit libertarians, then conservatives, then progressive republicans…the more left you go, the more big government you are ending in some form of authoritarianism where it's a one party government or dictatorship. Facism cannot exist on the American right as it is contradictory to small government by definition.

Anyone that says they are anarchocommunists are crazy unless they live in a monastery commune.

I'll give you my take. Read it if you don't have something better to do for 3 minutes.

Most of the uprisings in Germany are about immigration. Germany has taken in millions of immigrants in the last 5 years and they are seeing the reality of that gesture. Even if you are a socialist you can be hard right or hard left but it you can't really be a totally free right winger if you live in a country with a socialist government. The media brings in anti-Semitism but that isn't really the issue in my mind.

If you are born in western Europe you are a different human being from day one than if you were born in Kansas, Ohio or Montana. Socialists in Germany or France didn't sign up to be socialist when they were born, they were just dumped into a river, like hatchery trout, who only have one choice to join the others in swimming up the same current. Often on this site it seems like a lot of you think these folks "chose" to be socialist. None of you "chose" to be free and capitalist.... it was how the system worked for your parents and your friends and hence.. you.

At many dinners or lunches here when politics come up and I hear people bash Trump or Bush... or praise Obama, at a certain point I say this, " If I live in France the rest of my life I will never be French, and if you moved to America tomorrow for 40 years you will never be American. In Europe... when you are born they cut the umbilical cord a bit longer and attach it to the state. I tell them in America they cut it short and you are free. Many intelligent folks I've met here know more about our constitution than most Americans. Many friends of my age have kids who went to America for work and never want to come back.

In short it is a purely environmental issue. If they are exposed to capitalism and freedom... the right ones get it and others want to stay close to the tit.

As for the EU... they wanted to re-create the US, but underestimated the cultural differences between the original countries, which ironically was what made each country strong in the first place. But that's another topic.

And to close I'll give you a quote from my best friend about socialism. When you give somebody money for doing nothing... it will never be enough. Because somebody else is getting more.

All from the eastern front.

Pete

Absolutely... Does it really matter what "ism" it's labeled if the state ends up being the supreme authority on EVERYTHING?

It all boils down to one "ism" and that is statism. All the other labels are just semantics and playing a shell game with economics.

Mike

What about Anarchism,where does that fall on your weird political spectrum where left is right and right is left?

Well said, Pete....

Garry-

Look up horseshoe political theory. Should explain it.


There's a sizable ano-capitalist community out there. Some even "live" in a fictitious Anicapistan.

I wish to stay away from the political aspect of liberal/conservative but the link below does talk in brief about some of the subsidies that wealthy conservative firms and individuals are able to secure. I don't know how much these dollars compare to the amounts given to lower income and UE and disabled citizens but it seems we are willing to give the wealthy their due when we give the poor their due.

Bryce

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ten-examples-of-welfare-for-the-rich-and-corporations_b_4589188

if you haven't watched this video it is well worth watching. for me communist , fascist , socialist and National socialist aka NAZI were very much the same basic thing by different names with slight variations.

the video does an excellent job of explaining why.

They share the power and control idea!

Too many words, and useless energy spent.
It is as simple as this.
The Democrats deemed Hitler "Right Wing" for the sole purpose of aligning his ideology with right leaning Republicans.
End of story.

Sniper answered that.

Mike

There are times to be a lefty, in favor of labor.
And there is time to be a right winger, in favor of capitalism.

When either one goes too far then its time to jump ship and push it back to the middle of the stream.

When Capitalism goes so far that profit is the most important thing and things like working conditions and wages are forgotten then it time to be a lefty.

When the left goes too far and private property rights are abolished then its time to jump to the right.

Ideally you want minimal Gov't, maximum personal rights with a society that values and acknowledges its rights and responsibilities to itself and others.

Now our Gov't is growing ever larger, our personal rights are always under attack and society doesn't value others rights and it ignores it own responsibilities.

Right now the left has gone too far. Time to jump to the right.

I disagree. Myself I will always be on the right. Individual freedom is always the most important thing. The left is always about control.
For example, if a person is right leaning but don't agree with trapping, that individual would not try to eliminate one's individual liberty to trap but would just not purchase fur products. Demand for said product would determine the fate of trapping.
If they are left leaning and don't agree with trapping, CA being a fine example, they just eliminate/outlaw trapping. They don't recognize individual freedom but only recognize control.

yep, communism, socialism, fascism, all the same. no freedom at all. state controls every thing. even how much money you are allowed to have

calling Nazi's right wing is just more propaganda to accuse people who believe in live and let live to look like evil tyrants

Anarchy is total individual freedom with zero gov't intervention in your life.
Survival of the fittest.

Are you going to be on the right when it goes so far as to go into anarchy?
No rule of law, just total individual freedom. Freedom to do as I please? That's where an unchecked extreme right goes to.
There needs to be some level of control. Too much of anything is bad.

Anarchy would only be brought about by complete collapse of society. It will never, ever be legislated into existence.

Well said Mike & Danny!!!

Buwahahahahahaha!!!
This is ignorance pretending to be wisdom. So sad.

Yes Dirty D I would be left of anarchy because I believe in our Republic. I didn't realize that was what you were referring too. It seemed to me by your statement you were referring to left and right within our government.