Virginia turns Anti-Gun overnight with Bloomberg

The old saying goes, money talks and **** walks.

We all should despise the anti American freedom gobblers like Bloomberg and his ilk. However, I'm left in wonderment as to why the voters aren't correcting these issues. I have no more sympathy for pro 2nd people who don't get out and vote, and participate.

I am with you Catch22, I have not missed any election of any kind in Michigan since 1963. I vote absent T now because it is so easy and I have much more time to go over the ballet and any proposal that maybe up for a vote.

a whole lot of good folks in Va are wondering the same thing

I love this guy.

I've been thinking, yeah, it happens lol. Being the voting is all computerized now and can be hacked and stuff, we voters should get a copy of how we voted. Proof and transparency, I'm thinking in some States we're getting hoodwinked.

I have said before exactly why it has gone blue and why more red states are going blue, even the liberals know why its going blue and write about it openly. It is only the conservatives who cannot figure out why there is a political shift for some reason.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/09/us/virginia-elections-democrats-republicans.html

The main reason is the demographic shift. White populations have steadily declines while minority population have increased. Statistically, minorities are far more anti-gun and than whites. One day Texas will flip blue and say goodbye to any chance for another Republican president.

4/5th's of the US population lives in urban areas. Voter turnout in rural America is critical to our lifestyle but at some point voter turnout will not be able to defeat liberalism.

Draw your own conclusions.

1,500 concerned citizens packed Virginia Beach City Hall to petition the city to become a 2nd Amendment Sanctuary city. This will happen soon in the city of Suffolk and also in the city of Chesapeake. We are not taking this attack laying down.

You are correct and have hit the nail on the head, this is exactly why liberal Dems want open borders. It about flipping TX blue.

Its about time that politicians blatantly going against the constitution get arrested and put away for breaking the oath of their office and treason.

Why do you suppose most recently naturalized citizens vote Democrat? Do you think it might have something to do with the man in the Oval Office?

"First he targets Muslims," my Japanese wife said to me one night, "then he targets Mexicans and South Americans. Who is next?"

And if you don't think these facts carry weight with naturalized citizens, you haven't talked to many naturalized citizens. Also, there is Trump's support for white nationalists to consider.

Most immigrants come from conservative cultures, and should be the natural allies of Republicans. Heck, why aren't they joining the GOP in droves? I wonder.

Jim

It is not just recently naturalized citizens, Hispanics are always 70/30 in support of the Dems the only exception are Cubans who fled Castro and congregate in FL. The Reps have not won the majority if the Hispanic vote since??? Heck I dont even know maybe the 50s,maybe never?

How can you say most immigrants comes from conservative cultures? Maybe socially conservative but certainly not fiscally conservative.

according to fact check its false news

Lol, I have you on ignore James and when someone quotes you and I see it, it makes me giggle, glad that I did what I did. You make a great go here on Tman gathering the suckers to your twisted Socratic method of nonsense lol. Holy cow, a deep rooted anti here with reign.

Where's Finster?

Why do you suppose most recently naturalized citizens vote Democrat? Do you think it might have something to do with the man in the Oval Office?
No. They are ignorant of our politics, so they listen to the lies which the Left tell them about Republicans being racist, homophobic, sexist, etc.
African-Americans have historically voted for Democrats for president for the same reasons.
There is a change a coming however. Major respected polling agencies are showing 33% approval of Donald J Trump as President of the United States of America. (let that burn into your soul).
"First he targets Muslims," my Japanese wife said to me one night, "then he targets Mexicans and South Americans. Who is next?"
I would hope that he would target the Japanese if they begin to flood our borders with intent to enter illegally.


And if you don't think these facts carry weight with naturalized citizens, you haven't talked to many naturalized citizens.
Why would a vast majority of naturalized citizen be for illegal immigration?! It would cause their wages to shrink.
Also, there is Trump's support for white nationalists to consider.
Cite me one example proving that ridiculous claim. If you mention Charlottesville, I will drive to your house and spit on your car. (Sorry, that's as mad as I get.)

Most immigrants come from conservative cultures, and should be the natural allies of Republicans. Heck, why aren't they joining the GOP in droves? I wonder.
Left leaning liars such as yourself, I'm guessing.

52Carl,

I'm looking forward to James response to your post.

lol me too can't wait to see the spin on it

X2, bet it will be a humdinger lol.

A good ole boy southern gentleman once told me after having heated telephone discussion with a fast talking yankee, "I can talk fast too. It just takes me longer."
Jim generally falls off the face of the Earth when confronted with logic and reason. He tends to be all about "feelings".
Where you at, Jimmy?

Why claim to have me on ignore, then respond to me? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?

Jim

I don't know how to respond in the fancy way you did, Carl. So I'll have to try it this way.

You claim newly naturalized citizens are believing the "lies" told by the Left. (Sure, it's all a leftist conspiracy!) Maybe they aren't such gullible fools. Maybe they can see what's going on for themselves. Go talk to a few. I have.

African Americans must be specially big fools, in your estimation, since they've been believing the "lies" for generations.

You and the rest of Trump's ilk can threaten the naturalized Japanese next if you wish. Just come try to take mine. The fact that we're even having this conversation shows how messed-up our nation is now, with Trump in the White House.

Charlottesville. Now, come try to spit on my car.

Your calling me a liar is typical. I am not about feelings, but once the name-calling starts, I don't see the point in wasting time posting on a thread that's about to go poof.

Jim

If there are observable differences in demographics and how they vote why would someone not have that conversation no matter who resides in the white house?

James.

What group of naturalized citizens has Trump gone after?

The last time naturalized Japanese citizens.were gone after was during WW II by FDR.

Trump's ilk. Now there's some emotion.

Also I believe the Democrats are the ones holding Blacks back with the idea they can't succeed without affirmative action or social programs. A drug dealer wants them hooked for profit. A Democratic politician wants them hooked for a.vote.

I will start by apologizing for the "liar" comment. It was not fair to disparage the lying leftists by comparing them to you. I hope that they will forgive my sloppy wording.
Who ever said anything about going after any naturalized citizens who came here from any foreign country?! I thought you were better at spinning than that.
You'd better keep the car in a locked garage. You line stepper.
BTW, you are fully capable of responding in a fancy way. The problem that you are having here is a lack of a sound position in this debate.
If you insist that you are indeed incapable of effective debate, them maybe you should just pipe down and let the grownups talk.

Trump hasn't gone after any group of naturalized citizens so far, but who knows what he'll do if given a second term? I don't trust him on this, mainly because he's shown himself to be bigoted against non-whites (study his history of housing discrimination and publicly slandering a group of young blacks falsely accused of assaulting a white jogger). He target Muslim countries for a travel ban because he doesn't like Muslims. He targeted Hispanics in his crackdown on illegal aliens.

Meanwhile, he ignores illegal immigration by whites (and white slavery), mostly by people over-staying their visas and sneaking in from Eastern Europe.

Japanese citizens WERE once rounded up by the government and sent to concentration camps, so they tend to be sensitive when they see any group targeted by the government.

Your statement about blacks is only your opinion. The situation of many blacks in our society has far more to do with the history of discrimination than affirmative action programs, which are relatively recent. It's a complex subject, too complex to occupy this thread.

Jim

LOL

When you start a sentence with "I believe" obviously it's an opinion. Thanks for the clarification professor. Lol!!!!

Carl,

Your apology is meaningful and is accepted. Occasionally I've had to apologize too, and I think it's a sign of adulthood to do so.

The rest of your post isn't meaningful enough to require a response, so I'll just ramble on a bit as you have done.

Come on up and spit on my SUV, which is right out in the driveway. You won't hurt it. The rain will wash it off.

Your criticism of the style and content of my debate might be worth debating points for you, but only if you also provide a substantive response.

Jim

he he a haw haw haw

I'll be darned. A donkey has learned how to post.

Jim

Jim is misdirecting again. Quit playing the game where you are forced to defend Trump for the 18th time... This post is about Virginia's gun laws and Bloomberg.

Trump is not trying to pass Draconian gun laws in Virginia. Democrats with pulses are. And the democrat ( also with a pulse ) financing the showdown is also wanting to be president.

Quit dragging Trump into the equation. Virginia's current situation is solely the fault of democrat statists... with pulses.

Mike

Yep

Thanks for pointing out the obvious. Now if Jim would post again we can go off topic and have some fun.

So why not go back to the original topic in your own posts? Certainly, the subject of the thread should not be about me, James. Some of you completely distract things by condemning the messenger.

Someone claimed the Dems are always lying, so I pointed out that the head of the Republican party also lies.

But I'm game to get back on topic. I think Bloomberg is one of the would-be tyrants the founders of our nation warned us about. It's too bad if Virginia goes anti-gun. Join the GOA.

Jim

The 60's are over. Anyone who thinks "The Man" is still keeping the black community down is drinking some serious Kool-Aid. Most of the issues they face are of their own making. The victim narrative is tiresome.

Mike

Not for the left.

For some reason I thought this was about Virginia if you guys really want to know what the real problem in Virginia. First off it's the bulk of the population in all the county's besides around DC or Richmond not getting out and voting. In my county in the last sheriff election there were a little over 8000 votes cast and we have a population over 42000 that is the problem. The people need to get off their butts but it want happen until they lose all their rights to those of you who blame the president you are on the wrong track in this country it's the people that make the changes I don't have a count but I know county after county in Virginia have voted to be sanctuary county's for the 2nd amendment.

Not sure it would have mattered as 70% of Virginia’s population lives in the urban area. This is why so many counties are going with the sanctuary approach.

The president isn't anti anyone. He is anti trespassers/lawbreakers, which as commander and chief is his job.

Why so many become slaves to the democrats upon coming here illegally? Because stepping across the line gets them instant victim status and all the riches that come with it. Paid for by we tax payers thank you very much.

Osky

So simple a lawyer can’t understand it. lol

LOL

Speaking of Japanese flooding our border............today is Pearl Harbor Day.

Maybe James just needs to spend a night in a Holiday Inn Express.
That is a great line "So easy even a lawyer can understand it". ( Tort reform is on my Christmas wish list )

Osky

I live in Texas and am afraid you are right. We are getting flooded from people from liberal states. Texas has changed a lot in a very short time. Houston, Austin and other cities have turned not only blue but liberal nuts. Trying to take private land and turning them into no hunting zones parks and trails.

Thank you for posting, so many have forgot!!

JT...
It won't be long until we read about someone who has invited another into their home and the guest is offended and sues because of something they see there demanding it be changed. Maybe a gun on the wall or in the cabinet, whatever.
To me it's the same as people moving to new states then not accepting that state as it is.

Osky

JT, it has already happened, a police officer was selling his home and he had a KKK document hanging on the was. Someone came in to look at the house and see the document and reported it to his chief, he was fired from the police force. I do not remember the fine points. But he had nothing to do with the KKK. I think this issue is in the court system. You can go to jail for saying the N word.

I finally hired a guy to hang my African trophies on the wall, so now I have an official trophy wall. I'm can't wait to see how many visitors I offend.

Jim

Still can't stay on topic? Where's Mike to complain about thread drift?

Jim

I like the term "thread drift". Is it similar to emotion drift?

Poof, I'm gone.

Maybe like snow drift, made up of snow flakes.

Complete babble as usual. Not one ring of truth in the entire foolish statement and the Japs were not put in concentration camps, they were put in internment camps.... big difference.... Good grief your stupidity always shines right through.

You should hang your ideology on the wall if you wish to offend. It is highly offensive to anyone with an I.Q over 60.

Oh, he did not just use the J-word! Come on man. That's below the belt even for a guy like Jimmy. Not cool.

I never said I was politically correct. Get over it.

There's a difference between not being politically correct and being an A-hole. James wife is Japanese American.

Never said anything about James wife. Learn how to read.

I could keep it going but don't feel like rolling around in the mud. Lol

Good grief man. Most of us were raised with saying Japs, Frogs, Limeys, Mics etc. It's not an insult like you sissies make it out to be. It's a culture, our upbringing and to make it out to be anything different is just silly. Grow some skin, Finster did no wrong.

Because you have no case. please point out where I said anything about James wife or option two would be to shut up.

When it comes to women and kids my skin is pretty thin. I grew up.the same way, there are many things I do differently now that I'm grown up.

Sissie, I haven't told you about my aches and pains yet. Lol

Hope you feel better and get back in the woods.

Well, no one was talking about women or kids. Get it yet?

James is the lawyer not me. I don't know if you knew before your post that James wife was Japanese. If you didn't consider this my apology. If you did,..........

Now go ahead and have the last word. Your personality demands it.

You still have some assumption that I said something about James wife. Yet I have asked you more than once to point it out. You have failed to do so. I have not edited anything or deleted anything. I will ask you one last time since you are the one defaming me. Please point out where I said anything about James wife? I accept your half hearted apology.

Thanks, Gray dog, but we have to consider the source.

Jim

Awe..............

An offended lawyer, seems to be running rampant these days. lol

I dont trust muslims.

The guy that built the mosque just west of hwy 69 on 156th street in Overland Park KS had to pay ahead of time for materials and freight costs for 2/3 of that buildings construction. Got a local muslim here and a dirt contractor I know literally had to tell him he was heading over to do bodily harm or collect money owed. They dont believe its wrong to stiff or steal from or lie to non muslims.

They come from a culture of pedophilia and religious extremism. Muslims have no use for the bill of rights and want to change our country not assimilate into it.

The professional victim, right on cue.

Nah, that's just that tired old "victim card" being trotted out yet again.

James I'd like to address part of this. You carry a very big torch for the issue of the past treatment of Japanese during world war 2. No, it was not right. When on your vent maybe consider what happened in October of 1937 in Nanjing China. The Japanese murdered upwards of 400,000 broader Chineese in Less than 8 weeks. The rapes of all ages were uncountable. So much of this horror brought out in the trials of 1945 and well documented in evidence. The Chineese were not given housing, food, some clothing, they were given unsolicited death.
My native ancestors were summarily slaughtered, starved, diseased, etc where found. Very few were given nearly the considerations the Japaneese were given during that 5 year period of world war 2.
Again I agree it was wrong. All of it is wrong. Fostering hate in your mind using past grievances is wrong as well. We can all go back far enough to do it, and NONE of our bloodlines are pure and without sin. My father was old enough to have direct contact with my greats who were lucky enough to live thru that period of American conquest in the west and lost family members in their arms. He taught us to never look back nor hold grudges. My fathers mother had no help, she walked to a doctor. My father was born prematurely due to bad circumstances, my grandmother walked home alone with him in a shoebox, wrapped in a kitchen towel and no more. He had reason to be angry if he wanted to be.
To be vindictive, and hateful is an easy path that leads downhill to nothing, the path of forgiveness is an uphill challenge, the rewards many and lasting.
I have learned myself in life that people standing on soap boxes are usually the ones who have the greatest need for soap.
Osky
On a lighter note, congrats to your alma mater I hope they go all the way.

Osky,

I’d like to raise a glass to your post but also to you. The truth you speak is a cure for many ills.

Here, here.

Thank you.

Osky

Osky, you're setting up a straw man. I never objected to the racial slur that was used. I just said consider the source, and thanked Gray dog for his consideration.

And the source proved I was right, with his "Yes, I am ignorant, and have a right to stand by my ignorance!" argument. Consider the source. I don't have the time or inclination to take on the monumental effort of trying to educate him.

Your examples of Japanese mistreatment of the Chinese and others, while true, is also off the mark. The concentration of Japanese into camps where they were imprisoned by force, lost their property at home, lost their life savings, HAPPENED RIGHT HERE IN THE US!

That's why recent history is so relevant to the slur. BECAUSE IT HAPPENED RIGHT HERE IN THE LAND OF THE FREE!

Get it?

Jim

Whaaaaaaa

Cry cry cry away.... such a victim...…...My goodness how have you lived this long with all the persecution?

Does someone pay you to cheerlead and heckle? Any genuine ideas of your own?

Jim

Good grief... James, you are such a fake. I don't understand how you can even sleep at night. My God you have no morals, no patriotism, no love for anything but your own little world. How sad it must be to be you. I don't know how you do it. I don't understand how you can look in a mirror...… It would disgust me.

As long as you don't expect me to try to educate you, I'm fine with a mirror.

Jim

Don't expect a reflection, you need a soul for that.

I had one on the other thread your whining on. I explained that you are a nutburger and should shut up if you truly love your guns, your flag, your anthem and freedom. You constantly berate the man in office who still affords us what we have. You have been quoted with saying you'd vote for any dem with a pulse. How in the world are you that twisted man.

I think he just does it for the attention.

On a side note James, maybe you should petition the Gov for reparations for the Japs lol. It will keep you occupied and away from coming across as a anti American.

And the thread has devolved to name calling, typical.

Awe.....

This isn't the first time you've made an arse of yourself with a racist post, is it? Seems to me you've had threads against blacks deleted.

You're just a piece of work, aren't you?

Jim

Good grief, one libtard at a time please.

Can we get back to the original topic now please? Let's just leave the libtards to sit and play. There are other matters to attend to.

Right. You first crap all over your own thread, then expect other people to clean up.

Good luck with that one.

Jim

Lol, I got nothing against blacks or anyone else and I'd ask you to prove that. I believe that under the Creators sky we are all brothers and sisters. I just ain't skinny in my thinking like you. People that get butthurt because someone says blacks, or japs, or mics etc are creating a issue. Unless you know the person you can't judge. You preach heavily on here about all that's opposite to our way of life, i can't understand that. I do understand everything else because of your shallowness.

There you go again. Just can't help worrying and talking about me, can you?

I sleep fine at night. I'd sleep even better if we didn't have people like you in the ranks of hunters and trappers.

Jim

I don't understand why calling someone of Japaneses descent a Jap in considered racist? Is that one of those words the libs have decided are politically incorrect?

I have a friend who lives in Australia. I refer to him as the Aussie. Is that racist? How about when I refer to Boco and other Canadians as Canuks? Hate speech?

James, you bring out the worst in people.

Amen, he is not a good man and that's why I have him on ignore. I briefly fell for it again and will correct myself post hast lol.

Whaaa!

Jim

Do you know how silly you look, saying you have me on ignore, then responding to me?

Jim

You're a real piece of work James.

Every race,ethnicity or even someone in the next town has a nickname.
Some people are offended by nicknames,so those ones get used the most.
Spic,Mick,Jap,Limey,Yankee,Honkey,Canuck,Injun,Newfie,Chink,Squarehead,Pollock,Bohunk,Kraut,Raghead,Camel Humper,Jew,etc,all seem to be more acceptable in most circles then N-----.For some reason the N word is more offensive to most people than all others.
Why is that

Boco, that would be because there was common lynching of blacks, mostly in the South but also in northern states. Other racial groups, while targeted with slurs, beatings, etc., at least weren't hung for looking at a white woman the wrong way.

Jim

If that word evokes such heartbreaking memories and woe, why do they call each other that same slur fifteen times in a conversation?

Mike

The N word was made politically-incorrect by liberals just like many other words. Only they used that particular word as a social justice rallying point.

When I was in the army it was common for blacks to refer to each other as N word. Nothing nasty was meant by it.

You don't get it, Mike. I think they're mocking the white man by referring to each other that way.

Jim

You are the exact same as the people on the left who calls everyone who disagrees with them a Nazi.

James if that is the only meaning of the N word, why is it a ok for the black people to use it?
Saying that word does not in any way mean you or the people in your group are going to go and hang someone. In past history if a black person was hung every time the word was used there would be no blacks in America.
Very slippery slope when one subset of people can say certain words and others cannot.

Osky

You've made a lot of incredibly stupid statements here over the years but that one is up near the very top. You really are quite clueless aren't you?

Black people use that word to mock whites??? That's the most common word they use when there isn't a white person for miles.
That is simply ridiculous.

Osky

That'd be hard to keep track of lol.

The words we use today and get you in trouble real fast. You have to watch when you talk about sexual orientation. There is a hole new can of worms. JMO

You didn't keep me on ignore for long, Catch22.

Jim

I don't think he responded to you. In fact, I know he didn't.

Speaking of ignore, are you still pretending to ignore me James?

Why wouldn't African Americans keep voting for the party that keeps promising them "free" stuff. Except they haven't delivered on those promises. Same with Hispanics. They aren't flocking to conservative areas, they go where the free stuff is. I'm betting you don't talk to too many illegal immigrants in Alaska. That's a laugher. You probably spend more time talking to yourself.

That response was for ol Jimmy, but it didn't include his ridiculous response from earlier. Eh, no sense arguing with a fool anyways, they just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Why would poor blacks be any less willing to vote themselves free stuff, when rich Republicans do the same?

How can you condemn any voter for voting their own self interest? Do you vote against yours?

Those were absurd posts you made, sneaky.

Jim

Says the guy who claims to be a gun-owner but promises to vote for "any Democrat with a pulse."

Yet another one of your incredibly stupid posts.

How many is that, I lost track lol.

Absolutely not. They weren't absurd. I believe you have hit your head too many times over the years it would seem. The minorities have fallen into the same trap for generations. Promised the world, given enough to barely hold on. Yet they still vote the party line because they've been trained well. It's absurd to think that any Democrat in office cares about them past their vote. You're incredibly naive to think otherwise.

It is indeed also a way of sarcasm when used among the same race . It is used in a general way to each other, whether white folk are present or not. It isn't said for them, it is used in an all encompassing feel of the "brotherhood ", involving any emotion needed to emphasize the point. Minka and Lugnut both have that correct, in part, as I have grown up experiencing this.

The slang is a morph from the original term , used by southern white slave owners in the beginning, which morphed over time to be used with disdain by some deep south white folk , and others , generally as insult , to this day .

When used in same race conversations, it has a range of inflection , sarcasm, or outright insult , emphasis without animosity, as a "brother I'm in this too" feel, appealing in forms of reason with emphasis ,even in tough guy , friendly love - brothers , close friends , etc .

In many of those contexts , there is no insult intended...but it has to be of the same race , in general . I have only known very few exceptions , such as intermixing races in close relationships . Even then, the treading is done with care .

Still recognized as a disrespectful name , even among black folk, when in a formal setting, or in front of respected older generation family especially, ( many who abhor that term ), they respectfully cease to use it.

It has been a long time since I have been in the deep south , where I grew up , but with close friends of mine who were black, or mixed race , that was what I observed .

Our Tman Tribe member, Wolfdog, must be smiling .

An advocate of the 2nd , hunting or trapping as well, can then know how to speak with anyone of any race in a mature, educated fashion, in words "seasoned with salt", as it were , to have a receptive audience , with listening ear respect , in explanation of the aforementioned subjects .

Just like the lad in the video that Finster posted in the start of his thread.

Elevating communication to the positive if possible , without being the proverbial bull in the China shop.

Points taken, Sharon.

I usually don't fight back, you may have noticed. But today I made an exception.

Tomorrow I'll go back to ignoring most of the attacks.

Jim

Watch it Catch, his giant ego and incessant need for attention will have him believing you are responding to him again.

Sneaky, I think they dropped you hard on the head as a baby. (See? I can do it too.)

I don't know what makes you an expert on black culture, outlooks, and voting patterns. Maybe you can enlighten me.

Jim

I can’t tell you the last time a black person was hanged by a white person for talking to a white girl but I can tell you the last time a white girl was killed by a black person for talking with a black guy.

Well said Miss Sharon.

That is a wise post, truth. Look into Candice Owens, she is a wonderful young Lady who gets it.

Sorry James, but you lost this war of words early on when you said most immigrants come from conservative cultures. Why'd ya do it Jimmy??

Because most immigrants come from conservative cultures.

Anti-abortion. Anti-gay. Religious. Personally conservative about spending money. And so on.

Jim

You guys are killing me.
You have let all of the air out of my unarguably successful trouncing of Jim in debate earlier in this thread.
Now I'll likely have to start all over again. Not a huge deal, as I find him to be an easy mark.
Y'all get too emotional and slanderous in response to his words. He feeds on that. You need to stick to the facts, use logic and reason, even if he pretends not to understand.

So everybody in Cuba is a conservative, got it. lol

What I don't understand is why are they defending the use of a word they can't spell.

Immigration has removed my ability to vote in self interest in a meaningful way. I live in a district that was partially rural and partially conservative. Elections were always a toss up and typically the democrat candidate was pretty moderate to appeal to the rural voter base. After a decade of resettling Somalian "refugees" here my distract and more so my state has gone far left. I can still vote but it doesnt matter, whoever wins the Democrat nomination is going to win and those running on the Dem ticket no longer need to appeal to the more conservative voters.

America is not an idea it is a place and Americans are not an idea they are a people. Liberia has a constitution patterned after the U.S, no one is looking to immigrate or vacation in Liberia. Settlers from America brought U.S traditions and culture there but yet it is a mess with no real hope for a bright future. It is insane to think we can take people from anywhere in the globe and transplant them here in mass and expect them to adopt to our way of life.

Realize I am talking on average here as there are exceptions to every rule but African Americans still have a separate culture from White Americans. They go to different churches, listen to different music and largely live in their own communities away from White Americans. Violent crime, poverty, illegitimacy, welfare usage are all huge issues in the African American communities, there has been 400 years of coexistence between white and black Americans yet we still have not integrated into a homogeneous culture, why should we believe new immigrants are going to integrate in and support our laws and values?

There was a time period when even though African Americans lived in separate communities, they supported the American way of life. Volunteering to fight for this country, becoming business owners, promoting education and spirituality. Yes they faced many challenges but they refused to be victims.

"...why should we believe new immigrants are going to integrate in and support our laws and values?"

First-generation immigrants do not fully assimilate. It's the second or third generations that grow up fully American. This was certainly true of my own family.

My paternal grandparents immigrated in 1910. My grandparents had a marriage arranged by their parents. Nothing American about that.

My great-grandparents never fully assimilated. My grandmother was forbidden to speak English in the home. She hated the rule, wanted to be American. After leaving home, she never spoke anything but English.

It's normal for first-generation immigrants to think the way they were raised to think. English is usually hard for them. So is the cultural change.

Jim

It was difficult to play victim although previous immigrants were exploited, the welfare state hadn't been invented yet.

James, it's a bit disingenuous to compare someone voting to keep their own money vs someone voting to try to take someone else's.

It's taking from everyone when they grab their tax cuts that run up our deficits.

Jim

How is letting someone keep more money they earn taking from someone else?

Do you honestly belive 3rd or 4th or 10th generation Somalis are going to integrate into the U.S and adopt the same values and culture?

Only a nutburger would!

The rest of us, native born Americans, don't have the same values and culture--so why should we expect it from Somalis?

But yes, I do think third-generation Somalis will integrate into our culture, such as it is.

Jim

Catch 22: For someone who claims not to read my posts, you're sure quoting and trying to insult me a lot.

Jim

I should have said "similar" not "same".

As a kid I was taught that everyone is the same or has the same potential, I believed this into my 20s, suddenly there were all these dissimilar people around (Somalis) and they did not fit in and they acted quite strange yet I assumed that was from being new arrivals and they would figure it out soon. As time wore on it started to become clear to me people are not all the same and they do not all have the same mental capacity, I was making myself nervous as everything I had been taught was being contradicted by my life experience so I went online mainly in an effort to assure myself I was wrong in my thinking that some people are less intelligent. I found Charles Murrays book "the bell curve" and things started to make sense a bit. All of a sudden I could see that IQ varies across people groups, the average White American IQ is 100 but Somalis only had an IQ of 68. I still couldnt accept people groups could vary this much on average so I assumed IQ was probably mostly meaningless then I ran across studies that showed IQ and income correlate and those with lower IQ simply will not be able to do high functioning jobs or even rather simple jobs, if your IQ is below 83 for instance the Military will not take you.

It took me a couple years to finally come around and realize science shows people are not all the same, they do not have the same capabilities and there is a reason certain cultures have evolved the way they have. I see no reason to allow in low IQ immigrants who will not adapt to our culture or even have the mental capability to serve in the military (on average).

IQ tests are culturally slanted. I wouldn't expect people from a truly foreign country (as opposed to Europe) to do well on American IQ tests.

I question your 68 IQ figure, and would like to know what you base that on.

All that said, I agree with cutting immigration of those who have nothing to offer our society.

Jim

IQ can only be culturally slanted if the test is verbal or written. IQ is the measurement of how effectively someone can solve a problem within a given time frame and you can do that without language or cultural bias, I put up a picture of an example question that will have no cultural bias.

The 68 IQ figure is actually based on Kenyan and Ethopian IQ test as they did not actually test Somalis but genetically and culturally they are similar to Ethiopians and Kenyans but Somalia was to dangerous to actually test in country.




EDIT- forgot the link to Somali IQ study. https://www.researchgate.net/public...Intelligence_of_Somali_Refugees_in_Kenya

Most of America is being assimilated into the black culture.

I believe that problem is probably culturally biased; I'm not an expert, so I won't pretend I'm sure.

The whole idea of problems to be solved on paper may be foreign to Somalians.

Jim

Going to assume you have not been to Toronto lately? Canada is not far behind.

Please elaborate, Boco. If true, then black culture is the superior one, no?

It's refreshing to see the thread inhabited by intelligent beings.

Jim

Toronto is already assimilated into black culture has been for 2o years at least.
What I find real funny is the young native people from up the coast(very isolated) dressing and acting like the blacks.
Not long ago everyone hated blacks now everybody wants to be black.LOL.

Evolution does not care about intelligence, art, music, space exploration it only cares about reproduction.

That could be true but it would not explain large IQ gaps found in other studies that have been done on university campuses nearby. Charles Murray tested on Campuses when he was working on "the bell curve" Obviously we cannot do that study as Somalia lacks universities.

Don't get a sprained arm from patting yourself on the back, Carl. In truth, you can't name one time you trounced me.

Don't kid yourself. Personal attacks don't count. Neither does saying you'll spit on my car. Sorry, no debate points for that. A child can do that.

Jim

An IQ less than 70 qualifies someone for S.S. disability for mental retardation. I certainly can't speak to the question of determining IQ among different groups of people accurately. Yet even the U.N. paid for I Q research at one point. Done by a couple guys from Switzerland. When their results came back the same as every other study done the U.N. rejected it. I dont think the studies (yes multiple) are flawed. If we are going to make headway with racial tensions in this country we will HAVE to look at things the way they are and not the way we wish them to be.

Things like the smartest people in the world are Asians and Ashkenazi Jews

Because they’ve solved so many problems by themselves without paper?

And enter the problem. It is about "trouncing" someone or "scoring points", why cant it just be a discussion of ideas and beliefs with ideas being shared freely and backed by facts/statistics?

We become so married to our beliefs that any attack on them seems like an attack on our person. We need to learn to separate our beliefs from our identity so that an attack or counter to one is no longer an affront to the other.

Very true. The AK 47 or RPG seems to be their preferred medium for problem solving.

Mike

You might better pack a lunch.

Words of the truly trounced right there.

LOL! I don't even remember what we were talking about.

Better try again.

Jim

You claim to be pro gun,,yet say you will vote for any democrat with a pulse.isnt that voting against your own interests?Dip stick jimmy.

Names, just names.

It is incorrect to refer to an African-American using the 'N' word.
As a Caucasian , it is offensive to call me a 'cracker'

So now , I identify as a ' Saltine-American ' .......lol