Any Dorn dog owners out there?

Wondering if anyone has the Dorn dogs to make pups with?

Got to ask.What is a Dorn dog?

There's been a few dorn dogs on Craigslist for coyote hunting lately. I have seen other decoy dogs offered too. There has been a bunch of hounds for hunting coyotes on Craigslist. I think with the high prices of coyotes, a lot of guys are raising and starting dogs to sell to make money.

Keith

Looked it up.Is a decoy dog.Never heard of them.

L. Craig O'Gorman has been touting the use of Dorn Dogs for the last 30 years at least.

w

I have some corn dogs in the freezer, not sure they'll help with the breeding effort though.

Makes sense as I have been bear,bobcat,coon,and rabbit hunting with hounds only.

I guess we are going to be hearing about porn dogs next.

w

you call me Walleyed.

I looked it up too , I've heard the term ' Judas dog ' however , somewhere.

Show. Us a picture of these dogs

This is what my Dorn looks like.
The late Vern Dorn from wy came up with this breed to decoy coyotes.
Aerdale, wire hair terreor, border collie, maybe more

Every good control guy probably uses some type of decoy dog

This is what my Dorn looks like.
The late Vern Dorn from wy came up with this breed to decoy coyotes.
Aerdale, wire hair terreor, border collie, maybe more
Thanks, I never thought of that
Oooppps I messed up

we used aussie sheperd to decoy in south dakota,,,if a dog gets much bigger than that it can be intimidating to the coyotes....when on den they will get mad and terretorial and go after the dog thus the herding type dogs because they will bring them back to the shooter.
I think ogormans use of them is ,was more as a trap dog and a sniffer for lost animals also a fighter

So they are mixed bred dogs.

Yup, aerdale is too dumb and aggressive, I think border collie smartened them up and timid them down

border collies are high energy,they can and do run all day long and they are super smart,many times they do things by instinct alone without being taught. Thats why so many herding ,working dogs were bred from them.

Been around aerdales.....was not impressed at all.

Looks like a fat yellow lab..

Lol.....

They look like a fat yellow lab though

I had a Dorn dog. Great dogs! Super companions and great on the Trapline.

A lot of hunting dogs like curs and fiests and working dogs like English shepherds and border collies are pretty variable in appearance. They are bred for the ability to do a task, not looks. In many ways, breed registries like the AKC have hurt the function of dog breeds by mostly focusing on appearance rather than ability.

Keith

A friend of mine had a fat black lab.

We called it a flabador......lol

Mine figured out on their own what find the trap meant, this one get back on ATV when I get ready to set traps

That's all hair, she's got a good 3" on shoulders back, she weighs about 40 lbs
Even got fur between toes, she's actually pretty skinny, eats every other day most the time

Both my females I could fill food dish in evening, still untouched next morning or afternoon

Haha!

Fat lab? Come on guys! She's slim as can be!

It was the camera angle

I think she's slimmer now that she's getting old, too

But also by having so many breeds included in the breed it's a hard deal and shot in the dark when it comes to breeding and getting certain traits.

Has a aredale shaped head

When breeding for performance, typically and ideally only dogs that can successfully complete the function they are bred for are bred. Breeding is both an art and a science. Form follows function to a fair extent.

If you breed for form only, function almost always suffers.

I think the main purpose of most breed registries for dogs is first to make money for the people who own and work for the registry. Second to allow the dog breeders to charge more for the dogs they sell. Many breed registries have no purpose past those two purposes.

Ideally the registries main purpose would be to continue to improve the breed, by only allowing dogs that met the physical standard and that were proven to be able to perform the purpose they were created for to breed.

Keith

But if you know what is in the breeding when your breeding for certain traits you can match up similar traits alot easier.

At first maybe but through hard culling and breeding best to best then line breeding on that you fix the traits you want. Most of these lines are the product of a lifetimes work. Also why so many lines don't survive the death of the original breeder.

But without doing skills tests on all dogs being bred, you do not know if they carry or have lost that critical trait. Unfortunately most breeders of hunting and working dogs, take a male and female of a breed they have access to and breed them together, just for profit, with no concern on whether they are actually good enough at their job to be bred.

To make it even harder, most very good dog won't throw as good as they are and some not so good dogs produce better than they are.

Good breeders have to have a keen eye, excellent memory, creative mind, tons of determination and some luck.

Keith

Bruce, she has aerdale color too, first dog was mostly black from border collie, her face was more wirey than this one

For hounds you don't need skill tests. if I want to breed a bear hound for example I want a fast moving hound that has a good nose with the brains that go with it.I want that hound to be able to run with its head up still smelling the track but not with its nose stuck on the ground.You also need a good treeing dog and one that will put the teeth to th bear not just sit back 50 yards and just bay at the bear.Then you match like bred hounds that also have those same traits and bloodlines.Its much easier if you know dogs in the pedigree.

Bruce in your area people for the most part probably won't keep any dogs that won't hunt the way they are supposed to. I live within an hour of 3 major cities and most of the people in those cities don't use their hunting or working dogs for anything but pets. It does not take long to ruin a breed, if you're not always only selecting qualified dogs to breed. There are hounds around here that have probably not had any ancestors hunt in 20 generations.

Keith

You could get a Jackdale terrier or a jagd but it sounds like the dog you want is more of a border collie. If you just want a dog to sniff turds that's not breed specific. If you want a dog that likes killing coyotes get one of the two I mentioned

I don't care where I live I would not be breeding my dogs to those dogs and I have lived from Maine to Arizonia.

I still think a dog with a pedigree behind him gives you a track record to start with and somewhere to go when searching for a particular type of working dog.
Dont get me wrong,ive had many great dogs without papers over the yrs(hounds and sheperds)who i bought with luck and knowing the parents but i like to be able to read the bloodlines on a working dog and see the parents in action. So i think a registered dog is a good way to go now that im older.
Luckily I had settled on a border collie pup for working livestock and a breeder was 25 miles from me who had both working parents on the farm working angus along with the pedigreeand registered parents so it was an easy decision I havent regretted .
Also my sons godfather is a well respected farmer living near there and knew the people who are highly thought of. Worked out well.
I dont cut cost when it comes to my son,i try to give him a leg up....he is bright and a good kid....he deserves it.
4 -h at 6 so he needed a good dog to work his meat goats teaching responsibility here,he feeds and waters his pup and all the cats now among helping clean house and a few other chores. He is a worker.