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Posted By: Eagleye

Survey Markers (Zim??) - 01/18/20 01:41 PM

My son marked these (2) survey markers with ON X on some new property we purchased while grouse hunting this year. Everything up in our area is typically Metes & Bounds- I was surprised when he sent me the photo because the seller said there was no registered survey filed. I would like to go back in the spring and put a T-Stake in. I’m assuming that there is a stake in the ground? Between the markers?

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Posted By: Osky

Re: Survey Markers (Zim??) - 01/18/20 02:13 PM

Eagle
Up in my country those yellow placards are near old pipes or pins, driven in the ground at the exact spot. Sometimes the old timers used the actual tree as the mark.
Those are the state markers, at least here, denoting the township sections I believe. They are what is used to figure out where private property lines are, but really have not been placed for a private individuals property line. So the previous owner probably never had a survey done.
I know this from experience on my property here, if it's the same system as yours.

Osky
Posted By: 330-Trapper

Re: Survey Markers (Zim??) - 01/18/20 02:16 PM

Our $ 2, 800 survey back in '97' was worth the Gold bullion
Posted By: Getting There

Re: Survey Markers (Zim??) - 01/18/20 02:17 PM

Take a metal detector and see if you can find the pins or stakes.

*Plan ahead to Vote*
Posted By: Eagleye

Re: Survey Markers (Zim??) - 01/18/20 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by Osky
Eagle
Up in my country those yellow placards are near old pipes or pins, driven in the ground at the exact spot. Sometimes the old timers used the actual tree as the mark.
Those are the state markers, at least here, denoting the township sections I believe. They are what is used to figure out where private property lines are, but really have not been placed for a private individuals property line. So the previous owner probably never had a survey done.
I know this from experience on my property here, if it's the same system as yours.

Osky



Osky, that's good intel- I was a little confused on why there is (2) markers.
Posted By: Eagleye

Re: Survey Markers (Zim??) - 01/18/20 02:21 PM


Bingo- that's the premise of my alternative use for my metal detector post



Originally Posted by Getting There
Take a metal detector and see if you can find the pins or stakes.

*Plan ahead to Vote*
Posted By: Bear Tracker

Re: Survey Markers (Zim??) - 01/18/20 02:39 PM

We have a tree on the southwest corner of our property with a small silver survey tag nailed into a chopped out area in it. We never could find the pins, and my nephew is a surveyor. But you are correct in that they are used for reference to marking pins.
Posted By: waggler

Re: Survey Markers (Zim??) - 01/18/20 05:28 PM

Those are "bearing trees". There should be a survey number on the signs, check with your State survey office, the survey is probably recorded.
There may be information on the sign itself that will help you find the corner.
There should be a distance and bearing that will help you find the corner.
You don't really even need to know the bearing. Just pull two (or more if there or more than two BT's) tapes from the trees the distance indicated, and where the two tapes cross is where the corner is._
Posted By: Eagleye

Re: Survey Markers (Zim??) - 01/18/20 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by waggler
Those are "bearing trees". There should be a survey number on the signs, check with your State survey office, the survey is probably recorded.
There may be information on the sign itself that will help you find the corner.
There should be a distance and bearing that will help you find the corner.
You don't really even need to know the bearing. Just pull two (or more if there or more than two BT's) tapes from the trees the distance indicated, and where the two tapes cross is where the corner is._


Waggler- do you think the corner is a section mark?
Posted By: J.Morse

Re: Survey Markers (Zim??) - 01/18/20 05:57 PM

Looking at your deed (if not even a county map) should answer the "is it a section corner" question. As for those metal signs, yep, very likely are witness points to the actual pin/monument/re-rod corner post. There are usually 3 points to help find the corner. Metes and Bounds is used when a parcel isn't of "normal" size that can be found using the typical Township/Range/section type description....example being you bought a "forty", typically 40 acres, or 1/16 of a congressional mile square section. That section will be one of 36 square miles found in that "congressional" township. If your property is just some oddball shaped chunk of land it will be tied, somehow, into that Township/Range system....at least if it was originally surveyed using the methods spelled out by the Northwest Ordinance of 1785. Google it.
Posted By: white17

Re: Survey Markers (Zim??) - 01/18/20 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by Eagleye
Originally Posted by waggler
Those are "bearing trees". There should be a survey number on the signs, check with your State survey office, the survey is probably recorded.
There may be information on the sign itself that will help you find the corner.
There should be a distance and bearing that will help you find the corner.
You don't really even need to know the bearing. Just pull two (or more if there or more than two BT's) tapes from the trees the distance indicated, and where the two tapes cross is where the corner is._


Waggler- do you think the corner is a section mark?


The ones I have seen in AK are as Waggler describes. There is info on the plaque that gives Township, Range, section.......and then bearing and distance to the next location. I do NOT think they are section corners at all...........but could easily be wrong. Where the heck is Zim ??? So undependable !!
Posted By: Bigfoot

Re: Survey Markers (Zim??) - 01/19/20 01:01 AM

Eaven if your property has not been surveyed your neighbors may have been surveyed .
Posted By: Clark

Re: Survey Markers (Zim??) - 01/19/20 02:19 AM

Metes and bounds in WI? I’m thinking the USPLS has you covered:

https://www.e-education.psu.edu/natureofgeoinfo/book/export/html/1826

If you find another corner or three connecting the dots is not that difficult. Granted not the sort of accuracy Zim would want but good enough for the purposes of recreation.
Posted By: BruceDafter

Re: Survey Markers (Zim??) - 01/19/20 02:28 AM

Look like section corner bearing tree signs to me. Any chance there is 1 or 2 more? Are the trees 'blazed', chopped into? Doesn't necessarily mean yours or the neighbors property has been surveyed, just that the section line has been run. The signs don't always have the section, township, range info, it might just state that there is a survey marker in the area. Each tree or bearing marker, (utility pole, culvert, etc.) is measured in distance and angle to the corner. The info should be on a corner form on record with the county.
Posted By: J.Morse

Re: Survey Markers (Zim??) - 01/19/20 03:21 AM

.....one other thing to know, as stated above, the parcel you bought my not have been surveyed as such, but the township and section lines were all surveyed at one time.......the courthouse will have those surveys recorded. There may only be the very first government survey (doubtful, but possible, I only know about my part of the country!). Those old government surveys can be some very interesting reading. Most of the old-time surveyors recorded all manner of info, such as tree/forest type and quality, topography and possibly even some of the beasts they encountered. It may very well be worth taking part of an afternoon to make a visit to the county seat.
Posted By: Eagleye

Re: Survey Markers (Zim??) - 01/19/20 11:18 AM

Just checked Hunt OnX… added a few map layers and nothing stood out. When I look at the Plat Map it is highly plausible that that point runs through a Section line that runs East to West but not a Section Corner. I'll perform more due diligence at the courthouse next time I'm up and try to metal detect the pin location. I already own the property adjacent to the survey markers and no recorded survey is filed for that.
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