How much is golf worth to you....?

Just saw an interesting stat. Since Trump took office we have spent $550,000 of taxpayers money just for golf carts for the secret service. Unreal. Not about whether Trump is good or bad, it’s about how the country spends money like it grows on trees. I believe Bill Clinton was the last US president that actually paid a substantial amount toward our debt service. I’m a conservative republican and part of that mindset is being financially responsible. Where will this all end?
Also as a side note I’m part of an organization that receives inventory from the military that was purchased but never used. Brand new stihl chain saws, generators, etc etc. Even a humvee. The wastefulness is mind boggling

Remember the "Golden Fleece Award" given out each year from 1975 to 1988? Wasteful government spending has not stopped but for some reason the award was/is no longer given out!

Chris

Golf is one of the biggest wastes of land out there

China asked you guys to make a payment, so secret services sold their SUV’s and drive the President around in a golf cart now lol

Do the math over three years. I think that figure is nearly impossible.

But the good thing about golf courses is you can always make then into something else later. Unlike malls, subdivisions , parking lots,
junk yards etc.

*Be sure and Vote.*

that is a lot of money, but think about it this way, the secret service has to be all over the golf courses both in FL and NJ. Since Trump frequents both it makes sense. I would think Bush spent a lot on atv's for the secret service at his Tx ranch.

I am glad Melania has a small staff compared to Michelle's and Hillary's staff of around 2 dz. The FLOTUS has the smallest staff since Eisenhower. Around 4-7

I don't see why the First Lady should have ANY taxpayer-funded staff.

Jim

"How much is golf worth to you"

Not a plug nickle.. Same as most politicians

Cause Proxmire aint around anymore.

Look it my first X2^^

As a side note there is usually really good bass fishing in their ponds...Golf courses and politicians...

I love golf, I’ll usually pay no more than $45 to play a round, though I have paid as high as $125. My favorite part is the girl who rides around with refreshments.

I like to golf. Get together with a few friends that I rarely get to see and have a good day. Plus, I get to trap and squirrel hunt in the winter on just about all the courses around here. As far as the potus goes, I spose there are worse things they could do for hobbies.

I'd like to see proof. Also every president has wasted money, not just Trump....I like golf. I play a few times a year. Golf courses offer a lot. Can get used balls out of the water to sell. You can fish and even trap on golf courses. Here you have some fur bearers and also turtles to trap on the course.

Happy Gilmour is my favorite golfer.

Convert them all to Shooting Ranges

Archery golf is waaaaaaayyy better!

I was thinkin' rifles

Lowest unemployment in what, fifty years. All those extra people working , they're paying taxes we weren't getting before right?

Trump could dig up a big gold nugget in the backyard at the White House, and people would beech about the hole.

Don't forget , the current POTUS donates his $400,000 salary for the past 3 years. Haven't seen that since JFK.

With the strength of the current economy you'd expect the deficit would at the very least be holding. Can someone explain why it is growing in the best economy in 50 years?

Mine too. I'd watch more golf if more players were like him.

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I liked the way Granny Clampet shot a “round of golf”. Wonder if she ever found a good way to cook it?

I thought Trump promised he wouldn't play golf while President.

That is nothing when compared to how much the many trips to his properties has cost the taxpayer. And with a little research, you'll find that visits to his properties by republican political groups and foreign officials has enriched him by many times more than the 400k he donates to charity.

On the subject of his golfing, it's comical how many seemed to forget that he often criticized Obama for his golfing and said that he would give it up if elected.“I’m going to be working for you, I’m not going to have time to go play golf,”

I like golf.

I am pretty sure he has been working. Check the economy lately? Check the stock market lately? Check the trade deals lately?, yes that's plural. Check the TDS level lately?, its off the wall. Nothin urinates off a dem more than a workin Republican President.

Just about every president has played golf. I imagine they always will. Got bigger things to worry about.

We are talking about taxpayer funded golf expenses here.
But, since you asked, yes, I do keep an Eye on the market. It has continued to be very good to me since I took a chance on doing my own investing just after Obama took office. I retired two years ago figuring I could easily make it on my pension alone. Each year since, the growth in that one account has grown by more than my highest annual salary. The market has done great while trump has been in office. That doesn't have anything to do with the cost of trumps, or his predecessor's, golfing habit.

I look to the president as a CEO and I as an investor in this great Country. If he is doing what makes the economy strong and good for the Country, workin on keepin the borders strong and in his spare time he has been able to keep our enemies at bay, well, heck, play an extra round or two, on me.

The hypocrisy shows his character.

You are one confused individual.

Grackle,

If and when he gives our enemies billions of dollars like your hero did, you will have a right to complain. A few million to golf and relax is a drop in the bucket compared to what your hero gave to the Iranians.

Jobs everywhere, stock market setting records, wages higher, fixing the trade imbalance, appointing conservative judges, trying to fix the immigration problem and build a wall to keep illegals out and you complain because he plays a few rounds of golf. You have no character other than to beech.

Imagine if the president was a beaver trapper. The cost of hip boots for the Secret Service alone would be staggering.

This is putting it in perfect perspective.

Again with the "Obama did....". It would not be so bad if those who use that as their fallback would mention the good that was done while Obama served too.
trump has done a great job keeping things moving along economically since being elected, no honest person can deny that.
The golfing, and the money it is costing taxpayers(subject of this thread), would not be nothing if it had been for the number of time trump himself complain about Obama doing it. I'm sure the good folks in trump's base were just as upset when people suggested that maybe Obama was playing too much golf when he was in office.

Grackle, every time a POTUS takes a dump it costs taxpayer dollars, more if he wipes twice. Your point?

Where do you suggest Mr Trump go visit? That fancy mansion the Nobamas bought on Martha's Vineyard?

BTW speaking of that, just how did they get the scratch to do that?

Good? WT# good did that PO@ do?

Say trump was the CEO of a company doing as well as the country is. What would his salary be then? Fifty million?

This country would be better off if from now forward we purposely elected highly trained highly intelligent business men. Instead of the dopey career politicians that have been running things.

They hate trump because he is doing too good of a job, making career politicians look like the get nothing done money grabbers that they are.

He also said Mexico would pay for the Wall..

I just saw wheres hes taking money from the militaries budget to fund it, during a time when our military needs its funding to protect our country from imminent military threats.

My .02


Shame on him.

Yup, three years later and you are still giving Obama credit for the economy, aint that special. Have him try it without a few TRILLION dollars of "quantitive easoning" Obama BOUGHT his economy, Trump has built his. Personally I appreciated Obama playin golf, every minute he played was one less he was messin up the country.

Not me Obama was useless too.

Our problem is that as a country we can't come up with a good canidate for either party.

Oh how I long to see another Reagan...but it'll never happen because society as a whole has changed for the worse.

So now we are stuck with tryimg to decide which candidate..regardless of the party.... Is the lesser of two evils.

I am sure that if you lived close to the border or lost a close relative to the drugs coming from mexico you wouldn't care where the money came from. Its an end around way to achieve his goal of building the wall. If you noticed he INCREASED the military budget FIRST.

dig, your hatred and worship has you blind. It is impossible for you to see anything but the negative with Obama and only see the good trump has done. There is much you miss, and will continue to miss, because of your affliction.

As the saying goes, Ignorance is bliss. That's why there are few happier people than those on the far right get together to bash Obama while praising trump and those on the far left doing just the opposite. I suspect the extreme right will be the happier of the two groups for another 4 1/2 years.

I was thinking about this thread, the majority of Trump's vacations have been working vacations unlike Bush or Obama.

Yes he's often at his golf courses instead of camp David. Think about it this way, would you rather stay at Camp David on the weekends or in a resort you own?

Also keep in mind there was a "mandatory vacation" Trump had to take due to remodeling at the white house. He spent that time working instead of actual vacation. People often use that long vacation to condemn him. I believe it was 3 weeks. In which he met with foreign leaders.

Bush used over 1000 vacation days, both Clinton and Obama each used around a year of vacation days.


I've never had a job where I got a year of vacation time in 8 years. In the 2 years before my daughter was diagnosed I had acquired 4-6 weeks of PTO. If it wasn't for pto I had or people donating their PTO to me I wouldn't have been able to be there in NYC for my family.

Maybe the potus, Senate and Congress should have a cap on pto. Both Senate and Congress need service restrictions like the Potus

I was impressed with that White house interview were he killed the fly.
https://youtu.be/gzgOS8dbF64

Got rid of a pest and ticked off PETA in one fell swoop. Almost a ninja like move on the fly.

I always made sure I had enough money in reserve so that if something happened I would have been able to take unpaid leave for several months if I had to be there for my family.

I have seen all the money spent on his golf games and other presidents and it seems that with all that money over many administrations we would be better off building a presidential Disney land with all the amenities for them to play at. Beaches, fishing, golf, shopping ect. all exclusive it would be cheaper than flying them around. We just excerpted to a trillion dollars deficit. Makes me sick

If you were a landowner losing part of your acreage due to the building of the wall(without compensation)
I bet you wouldnt be so gung ho for a wall to be built.



For the Wall to work we'd need it all around our natural border.cause drugs aren't just coming into our country through Mexico.

Where I live We need a wall between us and Detroit to curtail the drug problem...but then we're just a bunch of hillbillys so it doesnt matter about us

I don't worship politicians, I'll leave that to the godless liberals. As a Self- employed and a self-responsible person of this society I appreciate people who get S@#t DONE and do so in away that does not interfere with my personal life. I appreciate what Trump has done and I do admire his work ethic (self employed people notice these things). And Cathryn if you put Reagans accomplishment side by side with Trumps you would be pleasantly surprised.

[quote=cathryn]If you were a landowner losing part of your acreage due to the building of the wall(without compensation)

Do you really believe this?

Your almost there. Do you really think until Trump ran, we had a choice? We always voted for who the establishment gave us to choose from regardless of political party.

How much for the Stihls?

I know it for a fact. I have family in Texas right now...who own land bordering the river dealing with the govt concerning this issue. Part of thwir land will be cut off..inaccessible completely...if and when the Wall is finally built.

The Rio grande isn't straight... And part of their land will be same as gone in the event that the Wall is built

digger, can you bring yourself to recognize any of the negatives with trump or the positives with Obama?

A good friend of mine is a third generation logger, timberland owner, and mill owner. The price of his oak and cherry has dropped around 35% since the tariffs were put in place. He said if he didn't have a few side businesses going it would be very hard to keep the place running. He was a huge trump supporter-now not so much.

Illegal immigration is way down. Cost savings to us. Mexico is now actively blocking the caravans of illegals plus retaining the "undocumented" within Mexican borders. Cost on them.

In business there's more than one way to make the other guy pay.

And those dammed horseless carriages shut down the buggy whip factories.

Well at least he can go in any restroom he wants, he can marry a rich man, he can get foodstamps and a free phone, he can get on Obama care. If you can not keep a third generation business afloat because of a temporary down turn, Don't blame Trump.

And have you heard the folks on foxnews express their concern over what will happen to all the people employed by the insurance companies if single payer healthcare ever come to be? It is laughable to hear their arguments.

Deflection?

He doesn't swing the way you must, digger--not that there is anything wrong with that, I suppose.

And the guy is keeping his business afloat. Many others in the line of work will not.

On a happy note, if one is in the market for cherry, oak, or some of the other hardwoods, now is the time to stock up. You can save tons if buy it green from a mill and you have a place to dry it for a couple years.

My yard looks like a salvage yard because the bottom has fallen out of the my k marlet

The last time I played golf... it cost $3.50 to play 9 holes and $5.00 to play 18 holes. There weren't any golf carts... had to walk and carry clubs or hire a caddy. Want to guess when that was?

Garry-

It would be worth it if it made things safer.

Trump's golfing wouldn't be objectionable, if he hadn't promised not to do it as president.

Jim

In the long ran, the terrifs will help the country. There is always someone who gets effected regardless. There were no positives with bummer.

Yeah, he lied.

Big. Beautiful. Wall. Remember? Spanning the entire border. Remember? Lied again.

All they have done, as of 11/19, is replace 78 miles of existing barriers.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v..._replacements_for_existing_barriers.html

Truth

The export of american dollars to Mexico through reverse ATM machines has slowed significantly . They are paying one way or another


I challenge any no waller to spend thier vacation in a bordertown or maybe east LA ................if you live , get back to us on the need for a wall

Whats golf?

Grakle is not confused, he knows exactly who he is.

I forget now as its been a few years ago but I remember one of our presidents said a lot of deals are hashed out over a round of golf.

Gentlemen Only Ladies Forbidden

If Trump walked on water,,gryhkl would say "look,trump can't swim"

Hey, I voted for the dude. That doesn't mean I can't see his hypocrisy and that of some of my fellow republicans.

Hypocrisy,,,I get a kick out of the green deal climate changing liberals,,jetting all over creation and driving around in their big old suv,s

Yep, they're just as bad.

Ask the great , late Robin Williams that question , you get this :
https://youtu.be/pcnFbCCgTo4

Trump has donated his entire salary since in office. It will add up to $1,600,000. Isn’t that worth something. Meanwhile Obama recently purchased a 15 million dollar mansion. Where did he get the money? Taxpayers?

I bet Trump hits pro v1's.

All I know is the GOP is getting set back for years to come by what is going on. As far as the abuse of the constitution it will continue if it gets by this time, that to me is the real issue. Abuse it now it will continue for all administrations yet to come.

Your party are the ones destroying the Constitution

Your party is a real threat to trapping rights as well

That is the reason trump wants no Americans to believe anything they don't hear on his news outlet....while he has been spreading "fake news" since the day he was sworn in 3 years ago today and lied about the crowd size.
The republican party members who are at the most extreme right have the cowardly republican politicians running scared and trying to stay safe hoping this all blows over

A mirror can do the same thing for some folks also.

Now to get the weasel democrats running scared, and thing will get even better than they are.

I'll take your word for it, fg.

I think the most dems are running scared of the socialists in their own party.

Bill Clinton paid nothing, that was taxpayer money, as Clinton put in retroactive taxes or taxing people twice to confiscate money from them.

And yes there is not any fiscal responsibility and never will be, as Donald Trump is a socialist, not a conservative. He had kept Obama's polices in place as have the GOP. The democrats are marxists due to community organized Obama. America is an exact replica of the German economy of the 1940's in debt spending, relying on cheap foreign labor, the corporations are fed tax money directly from the government. This is what socialism is and defending it, because your republican or democrat is in power is progressing this to the elimination of the middle class, which is where the freedom and liberty is in a nation.
Ronald Reagan's America is gone. You can love America, but know you are loving socialism and that is why all of this outlandish spending is created, as that is what socialism is, the public looting of the Treasury.