Does Trapperman represent most voting Americans?

I think it does.....the people on here correctly predicted the 2016 election.

What do ya'll think?

Yep about half and half .

I really enjoy reading your posts Boco. If you were forced to become an American, what state would you live in?
I ask cause I have a good friend from Ontario...

Most rural I’d guess.

Alaska.

No.

Your proposition and conclusion are illogical on their face. And Tman did not correctly predict the election. I remember the moaning right before the election. Many people here thought Hillary would win. Even Ken, to whom I lost a bet, said he expected Hillary to win.

And she did win the popular vote. More Americans voted for her than for Trump.

Most Americans don't trap or have any interest in it. Most Americans don't even hunt or fish.

Jim

James, What about when Mr. Dobbins neglected the "No Politics" Rule and let everyone pick their candidate?

I'm pretty sure Trump won amongst us.......did he not?

We represent the voters in states that mattered.

James, Thank you for responding to these questions. Most times I don't see an answer back.

So how did Trump win he still had a lot of votes (electoral votes) and I would bet a lot of people never voted thinking the fix was in already with that. Now that Trump did win I would hope voter turn out would improve knowing how important it has become.

I'd say about around 50 50 .

Fixed it for you James!!!

That is how she won the popular vote!!!!

Hillary got most of the major cities.Trump got most of the country.I thought Trump was going to win myself.

I'm thankful for the foresight of the founding fathers and the electoral college.

Their trying to rig that also.

Most Americans and the electoral college are not the same. Thus, Hillary winning the popular vote and Trump winning the electoral vote.

This thread's poll doesn't inquire about the electoral college, or geographic maps.

Jim

^^^^Yes Lugnut!!!

Today's politicians don't even have the vocabulary set the founding fathers had. Heck, even their wives (supposedly second class citizens), could out do, out think, and out write any politician today.

Just look at some of the correspondence from Abigail Adams and Martha Washington.

They show it was mostly the big city people voting for Hillary and most of the country voting for Trump.

Of course they are, they will stop at nothing no matter how dirty, to win. They thought for sure they had 2016 won, but us freedom loving 2nd supporters whipped'em.

Yep.
California(over 8 million total for hillary and 4.3 million more than trump} and new york compose over 20 percent of the dems vote total.

Those two states alone will make it a rarity for a Republican an to win the popular vote. This is also the reason polls are wrong alot.

I agree with you, Bruce, but what does that have to do with whether Tman represents most Americans?

Jim

Please answer this question James......

Who won the vote on T-man back in 2016?

We won.We beat all the illegal immigrants and the dead people.

So what you are saying is, trapperman represents the voters who actually win an election?

I guess the original post's poll has been forgotten.

Jim

Seeing the one map -- i think colorado or is new mexico is in serious trouble

Trapperman is like most of this country not like the big time cities.Most country people voted Trump

I don't recall there being a vote here, but if there was, I'm sure Trump won it.

Have you abandoned your poll?

Jim

You're dodging the question.

Jim

The country would be much better off if only property owners over the age of 21 could vote as our founders set us up to do. I definitely don't think anyone should be allowed to vote unless they are a productive member of society.

Trapperman is much more conservative as a whole then America is as a whole. We definitely, overwhelmingly wanted President Donald Trump to win in the poll. I don't think our confidence level was very high.

Keith

Not dodging the question at all.Trapperman just like most of this country other then the big time cities voted Trump

I was away from home working at the time of the election and stayed up all night to see Trump win.

The country is more evenly split than T-Man is. That wouldn't be the case if the media and educational establishment hadn't been hijacked.

Poll: "Does Trapperman Represent Most Americans?"

It says nothing about who voted for Trump.

Jim

Trapperman represents most Americans that live in the country which is most of America.

I created a poll about abortion. It got deleted.


This thread is not a poll. It is a question and discussion. Please do not take me out of context.

I was wondering where the "poll" was.

Apparently it only exists in one member's mind?

Just going to play the same old games, oh look over there, no over there, I meant over there and repeat over and over.

Trapperman isn't even close to an accurate representation of American voters. It may seem like it to most on here because we are mostly rural and most people we interact with share our same views. My whole townships population is out numbered in 1 big cities block and I can bet they don't have the same political lean as us.

I predict this thread gets deleted--and it won't be by me.

Jim

You didn't read the OP, did you?

Jim

I have to admit -- i didn't think trump would win, and i was preparing for the civil war that was to follow. I didn't even vote -- that will not be the case this next time. While i don't "like trump" as a person he is what this country "needed" and i could see that this last election. being from the left coast i hope everyone can understand my apathy towards the political realm. My hope has been somewhat restored by trump and the rally in virginia ( i thought that state was a complete write off) . I hope that the rest of America awakes and makes the changes necessary to bring back some semblance of reason to our great country.
The last time i voted was back in 198 -- 6,7 when they decided to outlaw hunting bears and cougars with dogs -- and we all know how that went.

We are living in two Americas. We'll see which one wins out.

Maybe you ought to re-read the thread title you wrote.

You certainly have the right to post whatever else you like, but don't try to squirm off the hook.

Of course there is thread drift, but if we're going to talk about whether most members support Trump, or whether he won most of geographic America, I have nothing to add, since these topics have been beaten to death already.

Jim

Most of this country is rural.so most of this country votes the same way as us.

Trapperman is probably made up of more conservatives than moderates, I doubt that there more than a very few liberals. And there are probably (hopefully)a far higher percentage of ultra-conservatives here than in most of America.

Amen -- Posco -- I am completely over the city folks.

Yep ...... or is it one america and one anti- america

Land doesn't vote, by the acre or otherwise.

Only people vote.

Jim

Posco, FREEDOM will always win against tyranny.....might get a little bloody though.

James,

I sincerely don't know how to respond to you. I am not squirming....ask me a direct question.

Have you been drinking?

And there You Go!

And that " Trumps " all arguments!!!!

And He laughs Triumphantly...ah hahahaha!

50/50......lol.....right.

I should have added to my post above that I do not think Trapperman is anywhere near a representation of Americans as a whole.

I do hope there are is a much smaller percentage of Americans who seem to be OK(some gleeful) with the way we are divided in to two large groups than we have here.
There is a smaller group of moderates wishing more Americans would reject the hate that our two political group cultivate.

Okay, Chancy, a direct question.

If you didn't intend to inquire with a poll, survey, tabulation, or similar about Tman and most Americans, why did you pose your thread title in the form of a question?

I think your thread here, like your deleted similar thread mentioning abortion, were to challenge one of my statements on that issue in a prior abortion thread also deleted.

Jim

Reading more into this than necessary James

"Does Trapperman represent most voting Americans?"
Are you kidding, only in my dreams.

Don't worry James, there will be a Democrat with a pulse for you to vote for in 2020.

Which sadly is not enough to stop an abortion for some folks.

But it is still .most of America so people in most of America voted Trump.

Some produce the rest consume what group is better to support.

Lol. Are you a lawyer? If not, you should have been one.

You're throwing up red herrings.

Jim

Maybe. One group does seem to believe they are the sole definers of what an American is. That's pretty anti-American isn't it?

I read a national poll a couple of weeks ago.

Voters self-identified as :

24% liberal
37% conservative
The final 39 % was made up of various denominations of "independent"

There is no way that TMAN is representative of that distribution.

Yes James, I did it to make a point.

You made a statement that most Americans support Roe v Wade. That means that most Americans support abortion. I think you are wrong.
If the American people were to have a popular vote about abortion, it would fall on its face and I think you know that.

The deleted thread got whacked and we don't need to discuss it further.

In this thread, I am asking a sincere question, and not a yes or no answer. We bicker about a lot of things, but for the most part, I think we all have common sense...... and that wins out.

24 + 37 + 61 = 122 percent.

Ken, one of those numbers is off.

Jim

IDK, there are a lot of people that I don't see eye to eye with on here.

There are many ways to view things and interpret them

RIGHT !! Thanks !! Fat finger

Should be 24, 37, 39

Maybe some of the moderate republicans and the moderate democrats labeled themselves as independent and the leanings of the party they are registered as being a member of?

No, many of the people who voted for her were not Americans. Some voters were even dead.

Here if you register as a independent you can’t vote in the primary and you cannot change and vote just before the primary.

I think a lot of folks voted for trump because they are tired of the same old BS coming out of the government. Same thing as the way Obama got voted in he promised a change. Neither have done a lot in my opinion in most folks lives seems like the POTUS now has got his self in a pickle with a lot of Americans. Seems like the important things just get overlooked. I feel the biggest thing that will get America is the continuing debt it cant go on forever and the hammer will drop.

I can see it now: if Trump loses the election, some of you will say it's because dead people voted.

Jim

Same in Pennsylvania.

And illegal immigrants

Maybe the vocal ones that post regularly don't fall into that representation, but I wonder about TMAN members as a whole.......?
There are a lot on here that claim to be conservative and I don't believe them.....in my mind, they would fall into the liberal group.
There are also a lot of members that don't post period.

They might say that, but independent candidates struggle to get 3% of vote tally.

Yep fence riders

You need a better non biased news source if you think Trump hasn't done much.

Most? No, but about half the voters. My buddy and I had a discussion about Trump the other day. He said, he’ll win the 2020 ection by a landslide. My reply was this....you and I live in an all white, rural community, hunt and fish, made our living from coal mining, and are surrounded by like minded people. But there’s a whole other world out there, people that would like to see Trump’s liver on a stick. You and I don’t see them, but travel about the country and you’ll find folks like you and I arein a distinct minority.

I don't mean 3rd party Brian. Talking about those voters who claim to be in the middle and vote both ways.

Ohh, gotcha.

I'll blame it on the Americans or (non) Americans that voted for the left side. I think he'll win again though. The American people are happy for the most part with the way things are.

About that percentage don't know if they're coming or going now a days too, so I can believe they don't have solid values either.

And. by the way Trump will win again 2020

I think Trump will likely win, even though I have $50 bet that he won't.

I was surrounded by progressives in Maine, and most will be voting Dem.

Jim

So you felt right at home ?

Yes, I did.

For ten days, nobody talked politics.

Jim

Is there really anyone, who knows they will be voting, that doesn't already know who (or at least what party) they will be voting for? I doubt it. Some will say they need convinced but they already know who's going to convince them.

They prolly knew what you know


Trump will win 2020

I highly expect our stock market and economy will suffer huge, intentional losses, close to the next election as the left sabotages them to try to stop President Donald Trump from winning the next election. Some of the liberal, big tech firms did it at the midterm election by reporting not meeting revenue expectations all at once.

Keith

^^^No to ADCs post
That's why we are all falling asleep during the trials. It really is black and white.

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If the other kid were honest, the next panel would have him saying; Swear your loyalty to one of the parties and they will make your decisions for you...takes the work out of the thinkin'.

I certainly think volatility will increase in October but .....at this point the market believes Trump will win.

If you want to see chaos...........let Warren or Sanders win.

Lots of tactics and a half deck of cards under the table

I’m shocked gas has not gone up already.

On the contrary. Gas is dropping due to the virus in China

That was the voter turnout for the dems in some parts of Californistan if I remember rightly. But it was lousy weather and on a nice day I am sure they could have gotten 136%

Like I said shocked waiting for the shoe to drop before November.

Anything could happen but I don't see a catalyst for an increase in oil prices.......EVER like we have seen them in the past. There is so much oil available that the supply is overwhelming demand. Some real serious stuff in the middle east will sure make it jump but not for very long IMO

A few refineries shutting down have done it in the past oil or not it could be done again.

Yeah but not for very long. We always have the seasonal change and cleaning thing that happens in the spring. But we all expect that. A major fire usually has some significant impact too. But I wouldn't see those things affecting an election.

Probably not a good representation by population, but by area it does. The one thing this map shows me is that there should be a call for a Convention of States now....before it's to late.

I supported Trump and said he was going to win from the day he announced he was running and I took a lot of heat on here for that. He will win this year also.

Wish it would happen


Marty, I remember that.

I'm more curious to see how regressives handle it.

That's how I see it.

I work with a group of guys who are mostly typical Tman member types, but are not members here. Gun owners, hunter/trapper types. Airplane, boat, snowmobile, owners. Love their freedoms but have no interest in politics. I would speculate that several don't vote. I assume that this group is more representative of Americans than those that post on this wonderful site.
Anyone listen or hear Adam Schiff today? If you aren't going to win an election..........try to destroy the publics faith in the election process. That is the next avenue the democrats are pursuing.
mt

Who's afraid of voter ID and why? LOL

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There is no institution in the country they haven't called into question. The media would be the exception and we all know why.

If someone is not a Trump fan, but strongly supports our Second Amendment rights, you call them a fence rider.

You haven't thought much on that position, have you?

Jim

I remember that. I'm glad you were right.

I was certain Hillary was going to win and was pretty much resigned to that fact. I was working out of state (voted by absentee ballot) on election day 2016. My thought was to get one last good night's sleep without Clinton as our president. So I turned off my phone and went to bed early.

This is the picture my wife texted me at 4:00 AM and how I found out Trump won. She had stayed up all night and watched the results. When I opened the text hours later I was very relieved and quite happy.

They have to have a name to call us, James.
Most of the group thinkers,on the right or left, are upset when a state takes the straight party ticket choice of the ballot. It takes a bit more thought, and they ain't used to it. Much easier to follow the flock.

Is it better to be a group thinker or a fence sitter?

Here we go again. Geez

Then the Democrats figure out ways that even thru they lose a election they still win.Here in Maine Bruce poliquin won and although he had the most votes lost on the recount thru Maines new voter ranked choice.

Ya got that right, lug. Anytime somebody points out that anything or anyone is not totally great or completely terrible, the same darn posters come out with the "fence-sitter" name calling.

I gots the deja vu's again. Help me Tom Cruise

The good news is, there is no way Jared Golden (D) is going to hold onto that seat. Adrienne Bennett (R) is going to clean his clock.

If Democrats can sustain the unrelenting, dishonest, illegal, unconstitutional attacks in an attempt to remove a duly elected American President, what chance does the average citizen have against the federal government?.

Is your statement an example of "group thinking" or "fence sitting"?

That's probably the biggest reason I would never consider surrendering my guns to them. I wouldn't consider it under any circumstance but that right there just reinforces the decision.

With all the name calling , don't forget to classify the large( group) of people who hadn't voted in years and came out to vote for Trump. The far left had gotten so bad that the average republican was too respectable to beat them. Trump was the (hail mary ) pass we had to have . I'm in this (group). I told everyone I met that if Trump doesn't pull this off , America is screwed.

I would describe the Democrat party as post-American, certainly post-Constitutional. Far too many ways to delineate why that statement is so and I have no interest in humoring or compromising with them, I want to crush them.

James you 're agnostic. There is no better definition of a fence center. As for politics you're definitely a democrat.
Grakle you're definitely "Captain Principled". A shining example of what every American should strive to be.

It's a bird, no, it's a plane.

No its mighty mouse

if you have paid even the least little bit of attention to what the Democrat party has turned into and still consider yourself a fence sitter, being called a name is the least of your worries.

Very true.

No, just a grackle...

You guys seem irritated

More like fence squatting! Might as well save yer breath, the grackle sees himself superior in intelligence because he lives around so many libs, and adopts their practices. I ignore him most of the time, but sometimes can't take the " holier than thou" attitude!

Oh huh

Just look at what’s going on in VA today the changing of the rules to insure poor leadership will continued and the people will have no say, if you think flooding the Country will illegals/refugees is for humanity reason you blind. Talk about changing the electoral collage so the rural vote is useless is all about power/control and not the people.

Illegals getting IDs and maybe voting, the rule of law is being ignored more and more what will that lead to down the road? If the lies and games being played today don’t alarm you check your pulse.

Its unreal to me the Ignoring of the Laws

At least now the president is a legal American.

X2!

I believe with the games going on today if the Dems ever get the majority in both houses elections will be useless, voters will useless.

They dont need to change the rules they already are winning. Trump is a speed bump on becoming a more left leaning nation, demographic changes have already sealed the fate of the Right in America. We a only a couple elections away from Texas going blue solely due to demographic change, once that happens Republicans will be forced to meet the dems further left.

As for Tman representing voters in America... absolutely not. Tman is probably 85% libertarians 10% right wing conservatives and 5% liberals.

Think this looks like a division between rural and urban America? With the exception of Indian reservations.

The reservation are the only blue spots on the SD map.

I agree with everything but the last part. No way there are 85% Libertarians here, and more liberals then 5%. Regardless, hopefully Trump gets to appoint another Justice to SCOTUS, and with his other lower court fills, we can hold on a while to our America.

I also agree Catch22. Ain't no way there are 90% democrats and only 10% republicans on here.

Look a VA how much damage will they do before it gets to the high courts then who says they will honor that ruling when it comes down. A lot of what they are doing today has been settled before in the courts.

Yep the numbers are crazy but you can guess who’s the Libertarian.

Libertarians not Liberals. I probably exaggerated a bit but I would best the majority on this site are Libertarians. I can only think of a couple people I would describe as Liberal on here, 5% seems about right.

I know you meant libertarians donnersurvivor. The gist of the statement was that by voting for a libertarian candidate in a national race, you're voting for a democrat by proxy.

You have made an excellent point with that in bold above, cattails! And many here would call a good ole principled republican a "fence-sitter" now.

The left went way to far one direction and, to balance the scale, we republicans went way to far to the right, to a point that has some looking for an armed revolt that will certainly end lawful gun ownership in this country.

Anyway, I got beaver to catch. Y'all fellers have a good one.

Absolutely not, at least not in a presidential election, due to the electoral college. For example, in 2020 Trump's gonna win Nebraska's electoral votes, guaranteed. IT doesn't matter if I vote for the libertarian candidate, Constitution party candidate, or Mickey Mouse. No matter how I vote, I'm not hurting Trump's chances at re-election in any way. Maybe in a swing state it might hurt, but not in most states.

By the way, there are plenty of left-leaning people who vote third party, and in swing states, and using this same logic you could make the argument that by voting 3rd party they're voting Republican by proxy.

Go get them.

It's so obvious to see and makes me wonder how any real American could even fathom voting Democrat. Eventually things will go really bad if the democrats gain control and the blind left will be crying woo is me and the right will be saying we told you so. By then it will be to late to turn it around.

I am not a Libertarian. From viewing responses on Tman I think many people who call themselves Conservative tend to lean more Libertarian.

This is a free test that somewhat shows were you stand politically

https://www.politicalcompass.org/

Libertarians are not liberals. Libertarians want less government. Liberals want more government and to be ruled and told what to do and how to live.

Democrats were for slavery, supported the KKK and were behind keeping blacks out of certain colleges. Of course this was decades ago, but non the less, democrats were responsible. Yet us right wingers hated bummer for what he was doing to our country and the left called us racist for it. Lmao.

No, the majority are Republicans. Most here aren't for things like abortion or the legalization of all drugs or having someone like Gary (Spicolli) Johnson represent them. There are some overlapping commonality's such as smaller Government, gun rights and such but I think a more accurate poll here, imo of course, would be 70% Republican, 20% Liberals, 9% Libertarian and 1% of the "Stay off my Lawn party".

I think that would be pretty close Catch.

I don't think there are many like me on T-man.
In the last 3 years alone, I would have pushed the BIG RED BUTTON 3 times at least.
And drone strikes, I would have ordered 1000's of them. I am a warmonger in the first degree.
But it's the only way I see to keep this GREAT COUNTRY AT THE TOP.
I got a bottle to finish and then a long nap.
GOD BLESS AMERICAN AND KEEP HER FREE

I think there is a large percentage of people who vote Republican who are labeled Conservative but are actually Libertarians. I understand there is a Libertarian party now and I was not referring to the specific party but beliefs.

In normal times any of the other candidates on that stage would have made great presidents. Trump was the only one who understood their language, It's a shame what things have come to. I fear that as others have said, trump is just a speed bump in the road for democrats.

Democrats sure have been doing everything they can to remove that speed bump.

If I remember right, there was a Tman poll during the Republican primary and most members here wanted Cruz. Then they settled on lesser of two evils. Marty would definitely be the exception.

Every time I see this map.... I think to myself it's very obvious where all the people "living on the system" are. Minnesota is a great spot to look at. look at the whole state, Minneapolis, Duluth, and there is a couple other spots on that map that are poor areas. They voted for more free stuff, benifts, nonsense, and not for bettering the country.

And the ironic thing these people don't get is even when a Democrat is in office and done with their term, they still remain poor. Some people just dont get it.

Whats that huge blue area east of calif?

Prolly Denver

What ? ?

You and crack le are fence riders because you guys overanalize everything , to the point you become confused and cant come to a rational conclusion on anything


I dont care if you support Trump , he will win without you

Strongly support 2nd A ? ..........You once said you would relinquish anything greater than a single shot rifle without a fight . Basically a single shot rifle is where you draw the infringement line in the sand.


Just pick a side and stick with it ........if you are a democrat , admit it ..........no one cares

I don't think t-man even accurately represents most conservative voters. Honestly, I think we would fall somewhere on the far right fringes. Our views on 2A and the rest of the Constitution fall in line with normal conservitive views but overall, we seem to have a degree of self reliance not typically found outside of our little clique here.This self reliance normally shows in our political views. Now I'm not saying that we are the old grey bearded guy that smells like skunk sitting in the corner booth of the local cafe with his back against the wall, ( well, ok, some of us are...lol) but our ability to think for and take care of ourselves sets us apart somewhat, even from most main stream conservitaves. I could be wrong and I'm sure many will find fault with my views, but it's just what I see, so take it for what it's worth.

x2 Chicago's not hard to spot either

The Rez I believe.

Blue are the welfare States and Cities really it's plain as day.

And the Democrat party still wants to keep many minority groups enslaved. Just think what would happen if all the poor folks, particularly minorities became upper middle income; they would leave the Democrat party in droves. The Dems keep many of these folks dependent by keep them poor, thereby relying on handouts. The problem is Dems can't really even produce much in the way of significant handouts. It's a stick and carrot game. The Dems say vote for us and we will provide XYZ, after they get voted in the offers of free stuff pretty much disappear.
I think many African-Americans are wising up to this scam.
Look at history:
Lincoln was a Republican
Martin Luther King was a Republican
Up until just recently many Democrat congressmen were or had been KKK members.

p.s. My maternal grandfather became a Republican after the KKK burnt a cross in his yard, this happened in Indiana in the 20's. He associated the Klan with local Democrats.

Even the roots of gun control are found in the racism of the Dems and the KKK during reconstruction. The earliest gun control laws were an attempt to prevent newly-freed slaves from arming themselves. It never changes.

I think you're right, well said.

and i resemble the grey bearded,skunky smelling guy.

I wish Trapperman represented average America. Even with the guys on here who we don't see eye-to-eye with regarding politics we can still be friends. That quality of America seems to be disappearing fast in this Country.

The silent majority is more like us then them city freaks many believe in the basic things we do like Country, fairness, freedoms, 2 genders and doing our own thing and being left alone. I have a lot of people I know that don’t trap, hunt, own guns that care less what I do really with my spare time.

I have known people my whole life I could not tell you what religion they are guess it never came up.