Confirmed Coyote kill

This coyote was shot in a group hunt about a mile from my brothers a couple miles north of Zumbro Falls MN Weight confirmed DNR 75 # 80% coyote 20% gray wolf Guess it could have been a bit of trouble if it was more wolf

It did not take much wolf blood to make it a much bigger coyote.

Keith

Way to go

The wolf huggers will be all over that claiming a new rare subspecies and call for a trapping ban on all coyotes and wolves to protect it.

Yep!

Did the MN DNR do the dna test?

I expect it some day here in maine

If it was 50% wolf and 50% coyote in States not open to wolf hunting, would it be illegal to kill one?

Wow! The legs on that thing!!! Love that solid black tip though! !!

Gotta ask
How and why was the DNR involved

Good Coydoggie!!! Good n dead

This coywolf stuff is going to cause problems.

I'm pretty curious as to how it gets to be 80% coyote and 20% wolf? If a wolf and a coyote have a puppy that's 50%? Then that Coy wolf has puppies with another coyote. Wouldn't that make it 25%?

From what I understand different pups can carry different percentages of wolf genes.Im no expert just what I have read and seen on tv.

Done in an Anti lab!

The word "C.YW..F" uttered from the mouth of any trapper, is doing

a dis-service to all hunting, and trapping.

This is pure anti-hunting, anti-trapping propaganda designed to promote trapping and hunting bans

and this word should NEVER be used to describe any type of K-9.

w

Looks to me like the coyote was trying a little harder than the wolf.

But isn't k-9 a reference to a dog?

FAKE NEWS !!!!!!!!

That's how.

w

NO

Agree X 1,000

w

NOPE,

FAKE NEWS

It's very rare, But I totally agree with BOCO

w

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The word "C.YW..F" uttered from the mouth of any trapper, is doing

a dis-service to all hunting, and trapping.

This is pure anti-hunting, anti-trapping propaganda designed to promote trapping and hunting bans

and this word should NEVER be used to describe any type of K-9.

w[/quote]

Agreed good post

Must have they didn't show us just told us they did

That is the way I understand it, genes don't come out evenly balanced.

They get involved because they want to fine you for shooting a wolf ,It is twice what our coyotes weigh here and word travels fast a 39 # coyote is the biggest I ever got in 50 years

I think that critter is 100 percent young wolf.

Google search, amount of wolf DNA in a coyote
The answer is there

Not according to them(DNR)

I really thought you guys would have bigger yotes than pa.
Last year my biggest was 47#, biggest to date 52#.
On a certified scale

was it a female?

X1001! This is another example. Some see the pattern!!

Im just telling you what the Warden said no more no less ,No Anti anybody involved , And its a done deal you cant change it and I don't care !

Whats the matter with you mommy turn the lights off in the basement

The warden is an anti or it’s his buddy that shot it and he doesn’t want to have to give him a ticket for shooting a wolf so we call it a coy wolf,
This is fake news I agree
It’s a wolf

Actually it came out of Canada with Canuk tattooed under its tail so we shoot that inbred stuff

One thing I do know is that game wardens aren't

geneticists or wildlife biologists and that the State of Minnesota

doesn't have the dedicated funds to perform a genetic test

every time somebody whacks a large coyote.

Cat catcher has probably hit closer to the truth.

I still say it's FAKE NEWS and bad precedent

to use that word that should not be spoken by trappers........EVER !!!

w

Hybrid vigor is a real thing!

That low information picture along with the low information description all point to fake news to me.

Some points in this, the public oftentimes reports these situations to the DNR, being intimidated with arrest in Minnesota. In North Dakota it is more common for the dead wolf to find a hole to bury itself in. In South Dakota, they tend to call the Game and Fish which pretends it was an accident and confiscates the problem.

As for the genetic percentages, the evaluation has been one dimensional, thinking of one breeding. Pups do reach maturity and do breed which would create a greater percentage of coyote. My neighbor had a wolf dog a number of years ago, until one of my other neighbors decided to administer lead vaccine.
Lastly, again in one dimensional, those posting are evaluating this as a natural breeding. This may have been a "pet" which escaped or was set free to run wild. People are always "donating" things to the wild, from horses to snakes. My brother's friend got a load of "wild" horses off the range. As they were doing the round up, they had left the trailer door open, and one of the horses ran up and loaded itself. Someone had dumped their pet horse out on the range, and the guy said it was a pretty good saddle horse.

I hope that everyone here as I did, left feedback when the public comments were open, to remove the wolf from the endangered list so it's numbers can be reduced. We are farmland and prairie hills here, and wolves are commonly reported. No one has mentioned this, but the old propaganda was that red fox and coyotes do not mix, but the last years here, fox have come back. Fox are evolving, just like these hybrids with human help are being evolved.

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One thing I do know is that game wardens aren't

geneticists or wildlife biologists and that the State of Minnesota

doesn't have the dedicated funds to perform a genetic test

every time somebody whacks a large coyote.

Cat catcher has probably hit closer to the truth.

I still say it's FAKE NEWS and bad precedent

to use that word that should not be spoken by trappers........EVER !!!

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I think your nuts. If you don't like the post have the Boss remove it .Again I don't care and I am not interested in your theory ,s COYWOLF COYWOLF How about wyote just a little wolf in it

So if dogs, coyotes and wolves can all interbreed and have fertile offspring, doesn't that make them all the same species? Scientifically speaking. The differences would be at the subspecies level. The coyote is just a mini wolf. The dog is a domesticated wolf.

Nothing wrong with your post except the use of that word.

I've given my opinion just like everyone else.

If you don't want to hear opinions different from from your own,

don't post controversial stuff, or hit the ignore button.

Beyond that I'll stick with my contention it's a bad word for trappers.

Carry on.

w

If a tiger and a lion breed together, what is the offspring called?

Anyways, just a pic of me and my Wolf!

Hmmm...both look wolfish

Seems like pretty basic genetics to me.

This is not my opinion, but read just a few days ago some wildlife studies show the eastern coyotes are getting bigger. Mostly in the northeast. The one in the picture sure looks like a wolf.

Several species of jackals are cross fertile with dogs, wolves and coyotes too.

Keith

I don't know about getting bigger, they've always been big since they moved into this area. I've got a picture here somewhere with one I called in years ago that caused a ruckus. Big long legged coyote, at the time most around here didn't even think we had any.

X2

^^

If a guy starts shooting coyotes that look like that one up here he'll find himself in jail in a short hurry. The guy should stay away from the casinos 'cause he burnt up all his luck.

As they have in Ontario

Nice coyote

30 plus yrs ago they were like this here.

kill em all,let god sort it out.

If a guy starts shooting coyotes that look like that one up here he'll find himself in jail in a short hurry. The guy should stay away from the casinos 'cause he burnt up all his luck.


Yup

we get 50 60 pound coyotes all the time in maine the bigest is 71 pounds tell me they are coyotes.

A lot of Truth to that!

that coyotes dead.

Read somewheres where the state of maine biologist still deem them as coyotes regardless.

My remarks aren't based on his weight, it's his features.

Do you realize how many Threads have been posted on this forum about Coyotes and wolves cross breeding and this one seems to really get your goat .That I really like now that I know who is who

Just a final note on this Topic : For those of you who think this is fuel for the Anti's you are absolutely right but not because of the title or picture so much as the comments .When you ignite the Anti's thinking and lead them thru the thread telling them what will cause us the most trouble . Most of them do not know the difference between a German shepherd and a groundhog .But I'm sure you will straighten them out . Think about it a little. some of you enjoy jumping on other trappers and hunters even so far as spelling errors .I am just shy of 70 you cant hurt me anymore because if its something I wanted to do or say its already been done or said . So EAT MY DUST. Bill

Are you allowed to possess dogs bred for nobility?

Couldn't agree more with Mr. Bill. The last thing I remember reading said that all Maine coyotes have 10-20% wolf DNA. What I find ironic is the whole wolf/lynx thing. In Maine trapping as we know it has drastically changed because of the lynx, but coywolfs can be hunted year around. In MN they trap and snare with no burdensome "save the lynx" regulations, but seem to have great concerns about the gray wolf.

Snowpa , as another old fart I agree .

I didn't make my comments because I'm concerned what antis think.

Here in wolf country an animal that looks like that is likely going to be a wolf and when it is the law will come down.

A feral mutt then?

I am home ! And I was not singling you out and I do understand your point .

I find it interesting that they claim it is a wolf coyote cross. I heard of a few caught here in ND last year and the G&F was called and they came out and took blood samples before release or from the dead animal. (So not all ND caught or shot wolves find a hole to bury themselves in, as star Flakes suggests) The samples all came back wolf crossed with dog. Maybe wolves think our coyotes are ugly.

Sorry Bill,

I don't have a goat, but kudos to you for trying to get It.

As they say, "Have a nice day".

w

YEAH--he likes sheep.

Without catching canines from everywhere and dna testing them all we may never know, I’m from New England and have only trapped here but my opinion is that here in the northeast we have a bit wider variety of dark color and typically a bit larger of a coyote. The pics of ones I seen king Robert Waddell lay out were almost a matching catch. ( maybe he’s just that good where he only catches matching coyotes). I caught over 20 coyotes this year and I’d be hard pressed to lay out 3 of the same looking hides. All that bigger, darker equals wolf talk is just that, talk. A coyote is a coyote. They get bigger in certain areas of the country just the same way deer and bears do. They ain’t feral dogs or southern red wolves or anything else cross. Oh and when a wolf comes across a coyote in the wild, he eats it.... cuz he’s a wolf..

The studies I have read show that almost all "wolves" in the lower 48 states have both coyote and domestic dog dna. I therefore believe they should be given no protection, whatsoever.

Keith

Amen

X3

TTT so it's still here.

they are eastern coyotes they have a little bigger skull then the western and are about 20 to 30 pounds heaver. have a courser fur and more of a color range they are a hybrid coyote

So they are all mutts and should have no protection! I also agree with Bill, we are our own worst enemy! Need to tone it down, but may be too late! Have you ever asked yourself why trappers are so aurgumentive?

Trappers are NOT argumentative !!!!

We're Debating !!!!!

w

I asked myself that once lee....yeah, it started an argument

If you watch the crossbreed documentary posted by Bruce T on the subject,

you'll see that the scientific community have been using the term for years.


Now the antis have picked upon it and are using it to justify imposing bans

on hunting & trapping where these "new species" range overlap with wolves.

I think the Province of Ontario has already dodged a proposed ban on hunting

& trapping of hybrids near the Algonquin Provincial Park

Here in New York State, the researchers at Syracuse University

School of Environmental Science & Forestry have been using such

language for years also so It's well used, but dangerous terminology.

If you ever need to beat back a wolf re-introduction proposal in your home state,

words and language matter.

w

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A species is defined by the dominate gene, period.. The further north they live the bigger they have to be to survive, Bergman had it right.. The correct name is Eastern Coyote, period.. Don't jump in to the coywolf BS or like Jonsie stated , the ARPs will want to protect a New species that isn't.. I trapped one her in 91 that weighed an honest 70 pounds, it was a rather large Eastern Coyote. I didn't even think it was special. Just figured it was a big Eastern Coyote, skinned and sold it as a coyote. Sure wish I would have had it tanned tho. The evolution continues!

Very Well Said.

w

Looks exactly like the critter I caught in Northern MN during a open and legal wolf season. Trapped and registered as a wolf. No one told me it was just a coyote??