Grony truck

Came back a little while ago from selling my last 2 coyotes and the 10 coon that I forgot I had in a different freezer when I sold everything else last time they were in town. Coon prices are way down due to the coronavirus they can't export anything into China. Hunter said they have a lot of coon in storage.
I did average $35 for the two coyotes. Coon were $1-$5 each. If you have freezer space to hold for another 10 months you might want to do that. He said all of the coon and rats go to China. Other fur has different outlets.

Well called Beav. The classic" later in the season price drop."

Too bad about the virus in China as that is the last thing the fur market needed! Thanks for the update!

Chris

You can't ship coon from the USA to China because of some virus??? Coon hides aren't effected by any virus that I know of.

I'm betting all those $1.00 and $3.00 coon have already found a home.

I'm sure we are going to hear the same thing after the FHA sale.


Thanks dirt this Isn't my first groney rodeo. LOL

FHA(latest fur market release) says its all mis information,Fur buyers will attend or contract with brokers and fur will be shipped.

GROENY ROCKS !!!!!!

w

Boco It's going to be the lack of buyers bidding against each other for that fur that may effect the price.

I learned all I need to know about groney in Dec. Took him 10 coyotes. Wanted to give me 50 each for 5 and 8 each for five. Dont think I will show him anymore.

The buyers may be able to ship but until the in-home quarantines are lifted, nobody will be processing the fur

Just goes to show you that old saying that goes as such
(Can't put a price on a good time )
Well this year might cost a bit more Hey lol

I got $25 for two bad ones that I thought maybe I shouldn't of skinned after I put them up. One was really thin in the shoulders and one had a lice spot about 3" diameter in the middle of shoulders. But it wasnt groney either.

If this thing goes on for 10 months there won't be a China.

Beav, you are my hero, not the guy in Iowa. Well, maybe Dave P too.

Should feel lucky he is about 1/3 that now.

Orders must be full or near full and or not interested in storing more coons for another season or two.
I shipped all my fur this year to FHA, maybe they will decide to hold over rats etc. if there is no market. I don't know how much fur they need to move to get commissions to cover expenses and keep the doors open.

Bryce

If he wanted to pay 30 why not just say so?

Com'on Bob. You were bragging on Herkimer 5-6 days ago. Let's talk up NY sales a little.

I thought I did that exactly that on two different prior threads ?

Did you read them ?

If you see a after my post, that generally denotes a touch of sarcasm,

as there is not a dedicated sarcasm emoticon available on this forum.

I wasn't bragging on those threads, but simply reporting the information.

You get hammered by the t-man peanut gallery no matter how one presents

fur sales information so there's that also.

It's danged if you do, and danged if you don't.

Carry on.

w

Does the word "excellent" ring any bells?

Like you ain't in the gallery?

My 1st time selling will be tomorrow....In prior years I didn't trap enough to catch many critters so I've tanned my bobcats, turned by foxes loose and gave my few coons to the neighbor kid to add to his few to sell.

I sure hope I don't get shafted but looks like the odds are in favor of it. It's always something..........

DING, DING, DING, DING, DING, DING !!!!!!

You are now a big, big winner, Dirt-Man.

I'm putting you on IGNORE!!!!!!.

Not even James has ever received such a high honor !!!

Congratulations !!!!!

w

Called easy arithmatic

If he wanted to pay 30 why not just say so?


Because most trappers don't understand the AVERAGE concept. That's all they think about Is the high end figure. And walk away as happy as a pig In crap saying gee I got $50.00 for that coyote.
At a groney stop I asked a coon hunter what his average was he gave me this blank look and said well I got $15.00 on 2 coon and $10.00 on 6 coon . As I looked at his check stub I asked well what about these 20 coon you got $3.00 for? Then he did what most trappers do he started down grading his fur. I think he ended up with a $5.00 average on those green skinned coon. But when he talks to his buddies he's not going to mention the $3.00 coon.

Groney Is a shrewd business man and you can't take that away from him. He will play you like a $10.00 fiddle.

I once made a stop at the rat wagon and placed a jar of Vaseline and a jar of sand on the window ledge. George said what's this about?. I said well I don't know If the screwing I'm going to get Is going rough or smooth so I came prepared. LOL

Groeny rocks!!!!!

Does Ohio have any sales in the eastern side of the state?

I agree. But that is the beauty of a free market. I can take my products and sell them elsewhere if I don't like what he is offering. When I bought fur I averaged for a lot, and often times I over paid to kids/women who showed up with put up fur and especially repeat customers with quality goods. It was good business in my opinion. Groney is in to make money, its business not personal. I had people get upset with us for what they said was low balling. I always responded with "chewed up & shot up coons and yotes aren't worth much no mater where you sell." Turns out when I saw them later, I was advised "should have taken the offer" as I offered them more per nose count than they averaged at auction.

I got out of the fur business 8 years ago, was still making money but saw the writing on the wall. I trap now to maintain predators around my farm and do the occasional nuisance job. When fur rebounds, I'll do it again. But I am not afraid to turn away low quality products. I don't envy the guys still buying fur with no way to move it for a foreseeable profit. That is risky business.

Guess NAFA should of paid more attention to him.

So price drops because they can't ship furs into china because of this virus? Wait a minute didn't we just sign a trade deal with china? We can't ship any of our goods to china from the USA? I call bull_ _ _ _ another reason to lower price.

If I heard It once I've heard It a 1000 times well If you don't like this buyers price you can always walk and sell somewhere else. That may have been the case 10 years ago but not In this day and age. And there are lots of trappers who don't put up fur for one reason or another. So that cuts out the auction option since FHA doesn't except green fur. So In lots of areas Groney Is the only option and you don't think that he knows that.
We had at least 5 fur buyers In our area back In the 70s. The competition was strong and groney wasn't even In the picture.

Earlier this year, on this site, where there many "how much is GFW paying for coon" posts. Without fail, every time guys started sharing actual intellectual, beneficial market info, there would be uproar from the trappers who only cared what their garbage carcass coon were worth. By doing so, they are ignorantly contributing to a negative spiral. I see this behavior as damaging in the current market.

I'll never understand how grown adults can so easily fall prey to the top-price hype game as already mentioned. Selling fur is not like a scratch-off ticket, yet it seems trappers are still just throwing their fur on the counter and staring wild-eyed as if it is some type of lottery. I have zero respect for buyers that do this, and they will never get my business. True averages tell a story and are accurate market indicators, but for some reason buyers and many sellers seem to avoid them. There is a buyer in this part of the state telling guys he's paying $100-$120 for good coyotes. By good….he implicitly means western. The average guy hip-snaring rubbed coyotes in his neighbors swamp will never even come close to these prices. Yet, nearly everyday, I have someone tell me they heard coyotes are "worth $100". I again believe that trappers who make no effort to analyze their pile sorted price breakdowns and who perpetuate the top-price hype as also damaging the current market.

The "I sold my fur for nothing and I'm mad about it" argument is invalid. There are plenty of ways to sell fur even in this current situation. If you are unable to put-up your fur, then those who can will begin to fill the niche and put-up for other trappers. That is the way things are leaning at this point. I would almost guarantee that a post on this site looking to pay a trapper in your area to process fur would be successful. Everybody I know that puts up fur will take a dozen of this or that for another guy to make a couple bucks.
The postal service, as well as fed-ex, ups, spee-dee, and the like, will all gladly take a little money to ship your fur wherever your heart desires. Fill up an old NAFA bag with fur, double bag it, triple zip-tie it, and start making calls to see who will ship economically. I will say for $50 or less you could ship a big bag full of fur. Compared to a tank of gas (or more) that is very fair. Especially if a buyer is willing to pay part of the shipping cost.

Always happens!

ya'll gonna be like the demonrats and run outta people to blame.and sell fur to.

If demand drops off in January, where do all those buyers that show up at the Canadian Auctions at the end of February ( and pay top prices) and yet again in MAY come from?

So your going to hire a put up man to do your fur. Most put up men I know charge around $7.00 to put up a beaver and know your going to turn around and sell It for $8.00 if your lucky. Most will charge $4.00 just to scrape and board a coon and coyotes will cost you $10.00 or more. The only man making any money In the skin game Is going to be the put up man.

I did It for NAFA for over 12 years.

Beav, do you recall someone named Greg that was running the truck for GFW? At least I think his name was Greg. He always treated me right. But there's been a someone else running the truck the past several years. I refuse to sell to him.

I only posted so everyone had a chance to decide if they wanted to keep their coon in the freezer "til next season or sell for way less than expected. I believe there are LARGE areas in China that are quarantined, no in or out movement. Possibly that's why they can't get the coon hides into China.
I'm just reporting what I was told. Rats and coons...……………..down. Beaver and coyotes...………….stable.
Beav has a good point. If' you are going to have someone put up your fur, do the economics first.

Dirt...late winter is always a buyers market

Yep....and there is plenty to made on coyotes, castor is higher than ever, and if a trapper wants to "make" anything on coon then they need to put them up themselves.

My point was that the days of just trap whatever and sell it for profit are over. Each trapper should make an effort to learn what is going on with the market, what makes sense for them to do as far as catching, put-up, etc., and the logistics of how what will sell for them and where.

Everything doesn't have to be an argument, every time.

It doesnt?

yes it does.

I agree, but not because orders are filled in a normal year. IMO.

They also have the option to sell their fur for top prices at May auctions and/ or as price protected dealer lots in March in a normal year..

lets all try it once to prove we can all do it.

i'll go first."no thank you"

try it,its not that hard.

Your saying that to a lot of people who forgot what it is to market their own fur. Most just sent to auction and are use to not having say over what they get and just always figured that was the best.

Groeny Rocks!

HE REALLY DOES ROCK !!!!!

w

Thanks for posting. Alot of folks are posting there complaints, thats their opinion and they can have them same as I can. I have sold to groeny the last 2 seasons as he is the only option. I live in southern Illinois and he doesnt get down here til the begining of march. The coon prices you got are consistent with what he has payed us the last 2 years. Usually $1,$3, and $6 piles. Last year we had a few giants that got $10 or $12 for but that size are rare around here. Since this communist state of ours has graciously given us permission to hold green fur year round thats probably what I am going to do. Not necessarily hoping for better prices but to not have to rush getting them put up.

liberty biberty

If you would only just say NO like some are saying. You have to get your act together and find different ways to market your fur. It's pretty simple just get them all tanned and sell them on Ebay LOl

So this price slump is not short term an use are saying that may have hold coons 10 months before improvement ? That sucks if so, was working on late mid season stuff, an start on coon stretching to.morow again, lot big prime coon , how bad are mink ?

I'm gonna try dying some coons to look more like coyotes. I'll let you know how it goes

Don't be getting their panties in a wad again!

They did that with skunks back in the early 1900's

They tried to make skunks look like coyotes?