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Utah Going Back To Polygamy?

Posted By: Pike River

Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 07:25 PM

Not sure how I feel about this.


Do all your wives get to use your insurance at the same rate? Because theres a larger family will people now qualify for more public assistance?
Posted By: 330-Trapper

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 07:33 PM

Sister wives show....quit watching that years ago.
When it started becoming a Trainwreck.
Posted By: Law Dog

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 07:35 PM

Sounds like a lot of work disappointing 2 or more wives at a time not worth it.
Posted By: run

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 07:36 PM

King Solomon was a polygamist. 700 wives and 300 concubines.
Posted By: Donnersurvivor

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 07:42 PM

This is why I opposed and still oppose gay marriage. It set the stage for a whole lotta nonsense. Why do you think it is that every successful culture practices monogamy? It is because the peoples and cultures that did flourished and took over the ones who practiced polygamy. When one rich guy decides to have 100 wives that means 99 young men will be out there with no ability to have a family, they better hope porn and video games can keep those 99 pacified.
Posted By: cat_trapper_nv

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by Pike River
Not sure how I feel about this.


Do all your wives get to use your insurance at the same rate? Because there's a larger family will people now qualify for more public assistance?





Utah allowing polygamy will take more people off of public assistance. With the current law, the polygamist are only legally married to one wife. Which means the other "wives" are legally just single mothers with no income. People like to say its the LDS church presents in Utah that has the police hammering the Polygamist groups. It's not. The reason they are after them is because they know they are robbing the welfare system at a large scale.
Posted By: AntiGov

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 07:54 PM

Why would you want more headaches ?
Posted By: 330-Trapper

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by cat_trapper_nv
Originally Posted by Pike River
Not sure how I feel about this.


Do all your wives get to use your insurance at the same rate? Because there's a larger family will people now qualify for more public assistance?





Utah allowing polygamy will take more people off of public assistance. With the current law, the polygamist are only legally married to one wife. Which means the other "wives" are legally just single mothers with no income. People like to say its the LDS church presents in Utah that has the police hammering the Polygamist groups. It's not. The reason they are after them is because they know they are robbing the welfare system at a large scale.

Interesting
Posted By: Pike River

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by AntiGov
Why would you want more headaches ?



Because you know what is better than a beautiful woman?




The next beautiful woman.
Posted By: KeithC

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 07:57 PM

As long as all the people in a polygamous marriage are consenting adults, I don't care who marries who. It's their business, not mine.

Keith
Posted By: virgil1972

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
This is why I opposed and still oppose gay marriage. It set the stage for a whole lotta nonsense. Why do you think it is that every successful culture practices monogamy? It is because the peoples and cultures that did flourished and took over the ones who practiced polygamy. When one rich guy decides to have 100 wives that means 99 young men will be out there with no ability to have a family, they better hope porn and video games can keep those 99 pacified.

I hear they are making great strides in the porn industry.
Posted By: DelawareRob

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Pike River
Originally Posted by AntiGov
Why would you want more headaches ?



Because you know what is better than a beautiful woman?




The next beautiful woman.


No matter how hot a woman is. There is someone, somewhere who is tired of her crap.
Posted By: DelawareRob

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by Law Dog
Sounds like a lot of work disappointing 2 or more wives at a time not worth it.


Yup, I have a hard enough time disappointing the one I have.
Posted By: Boco

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 08:09 PM

Just like a bunch of animals.
Posted By: ky_coyote_hunter

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 08:10 PM

One thing that needs to be pointed out is the mainstream LDS faith does not currently condone polygamy.

It's the (FLDS) Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Warren Jeffs) that condones the practice...A very small splinter group of the original church.
Posted By: drasselt

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor


...every successful culture practices monogamy... peoples and cultures that did flourished and took over the ones who practiced polygamy.

... 99 young men will be out there with no ability to have a family....


Donner nailed it. Young men with inadequate responsibilities leads to societal problems. Think street corner drug dealers. Cultures practicing polygamy have been left in the dust of monogamous societies and produce an abundance of aggression which is projected outward for example Hostile Muslim countries.
Posted By: 330-Trapper

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
One thing that needs to be pointed out is the mainstream LDS faith does not currently condone polygamy.

It's the (FLDS) Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Warren Jeffs) that condones the practice...A very small splinter group of the original church.

With Him...their leader in Prison running the Show
Posted By: Boco

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 08:21 PM

I hear they de-nut most of the men(the ones who cant find wives).Polygamous societys call these de-nutted men Eunuchs.
Posted By: ScottPhillips

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 08:22 PM

You know what is bad about multiple wives?..............Multiple mother-in-laws!!
Posted By: adam m

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by run
King Solomon was a polygamist. 700 wives and 300 concubines.

Yup.
1 wife is a lot but 700 is either insane or genius. Keep in mind Solomon is considered the wisest person ever.
Posted By: Boco

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 08:25 PM

Must be related to Epstein.
Posted By: ky_coyote_hunter

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
One thing that needs to be pointed out is the mainstream LDS faith does not currently condone polygamy.

It's the (FLDS) Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Warren Jeffs) that condones the practice...A very small splinter group of the original church.

With Him...their leader in Prison running the Show

That's correct...Jeffs was practicing polygamy with young Women.... Girls in my estimation, and he deserves to be in prison.

Another point worth mentioning is the mainstream LDS stopped practicing polygamy in 1890 when Utah established statehood.

The sole reason for practicing polygamy was to rebuild the church body after the Spanish/ American war
nearly decimated the Mormon male population.

The Wives of the men chose the other wife or wives, and it wasn't a glamorous lifestyle or freewheeling orgy like people might imagine.

Mark Twain wrote about it once... He said while passing through their territory he noticed those were about the ugliest women imagineable, and that they were done a favor, Lol.
Posted By: Foxpaw

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 08:35 PM

I don't think it was those 700 wives that was causing Solomon all the trouble. It was those 300 porcupines that was doing it , yikes!
Posted By: KeithC

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by Boco
Just like a bunch of animals.


Name one species of animal, if you don't count humans as animals, that gets married.

Keith
Posted By: Foxpaw

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 08:50 PM

Are mourning doves monogamous?
Posted By: gryhkl

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 08:56 PM

Let the adults run their personal lives as think is best for them as. As long as it costs taxpayers no money, and hurts nobody, it's none of my business.
Marriage is being made a mockery for no better reason than to make some of our tv shows. Polygamy is no worse than much of what is allowed.
Posted By: Foxpaw

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 08:59 PM

Are all them pretty girls that was at the Presidents State of the Union that was all dressed in white all married to the same guy, I just thought since they was all being dressed the same , that they belonged to same guy.
Posted By: turkn8rtrapper

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 09:01 PM

Geese are monogamous. I am monogamous. They can do what ever they please. I would have to say that why on earth would I want twice or more times of all the challenges. I love my wife and take good care of her. I did the same with my children when they were children. You have to admit a good marriage is a lot of work and sacrifice. I don't think I could do my duties as a husband and provider with more than one. The grass is always greener but I think that depends on time of year and which side of the fence you are on at the time. Probably taste the same or worse after while too.
Posted By: hippie

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by Foxpaw
Are all them pretty girls that was at the Presidents State of the Union that was all dressed in white all married to the same guy, I just thought since they was all being dressed the same , that they belonged to same guy.


one is said to be married to her brother.
Posted By: KeithC

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by hippie
Originally Posted by Foxpaw
Are all them pretty girls that was at the Presidents State of the Union that was all dressed in white all married to the same guy, I just thought since they was all being dressed the same , that they belonged to same guy.


one is said to be married to her brother.


And another guy too.

Keith
Posted By: The Beav

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
This is why I opposed and still oppose gay marriage. It set the stage for a whole lotta nonsense. Why do you think it is that every successful culture practices monogamy? It is because the peoples and cultures that did flourished and took over the ones who practiced polygamy. When one rich guy decides to have 100 wives that means 99 young men will be out there with no ability to have a family, they better hope porn and video games can keep those 99 pacified.


No then those 99 young men turned gay LOL
Posted By: coonlove

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 09:09 PM

"The sole reason for practicing polygamy was to rebuild the church body after the Spanish/ American war
nearly decimated the Mormon male population." Quoted above.

Polygamy was being practiced by Mormons long before the Spanish American War.
Posted By: HobbieTrapper

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
This is why I opposed and still oppose gay marriage. It set the stage for a whole lotta nonsense. Why do you think it is that every successful culture practices monogamy? It is because the peoples and cultures that did flourished and took over the ones who practiced polygamy. When one rich guy decides to have 100 wives that means 99 young men will be out there with no ability to have a family, they better hope porn and video games can keep those 99 pacified.


What?

Are you stuck in a 100 women town? lol
Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 09:17 PM

I want to know if due to the marriage equality act , all states having to recognize the marriage of any other state If I marry a second wife in UT does my insurance company in WI have to then insure her on my family plan.
Posted By: Eagleye

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 09:27 PM

If one skins and the other one fleshes- I'm in!
Posted By: Ole

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 09:35 PM

For those who approve of polygamy...I wonder what the thought would be if a daughter decided to be the 15th "wife" of a polygamist. I suspect the later wives would be at the bottom of the pecking order and could really have a problem with self esteem. Maybe constant self sacrifice is a step on the stairway to heaven. There has to be some interesting psychology going on there.
Posted By: Foxpaw

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 09:37 PM

I was thinking if I had one that was a lawyer, one a doctor, one a teacher, one to do the accounting, one a banker, one a broker, one to take care of the kids, and one to take care of the house, and one to cook,I could hunt and trap all the time and Eagleye could rent his two to me to skin and flesh. Now that would be the "Life of Riley"
Posted By: Yes sir

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 09:55 PM

You guys are looking at this all wrong .... 1 wife 3 husbands .... one stays home and puts up with her...I mean takes care of here while the other two go hunt, fish ,and trap.. rotating weekends
Posted By: ApocalypticGoatH

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 10:04 PM


Originally Posted by Yes sir
You guys are looking at this all wrong .... 1 wife 3 husbands .... one stays home and puts up with her...I mean takes care of here while the other two go hunt, fish ,and trap.. rotating weekends



You're either very old or you like to hunt, trap, and fish to much. laugh
Posted By: pcr2

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 10:08 PM

most family trees must look like a baseball bat.
Posted By: ky_coyote_hunter

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by coonlove
"The sole reason for practicing polygamy was to rebuild the church body after the Spanish/ American war
nearly decimated the Mormon male population." Quoted above.

Polygamy was being practiced by Mormons long before the Spanish American War.

I screwed up...It was the Mexican/ American war....It started well before the civil war, and is well documented in church history.
Posted By: Yes sir

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by gray dog

Originally Posted by Yes sir
You guys are looking at this all wrong .... 1 wife 3 husbands .... one stays home and puts up with her...I mean takes care of here while the other two go hunt, fish ,and trap.. rotating weekends



You're either very old or you like to hunt, trap, and fish to much. laugh

I'll just say I've been married long enough tto know I'm usually more successful when I go hunting, fishing or trapping . Lol
Posted By: snowy

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/12/20 11:57 PM

Mitt Romney is an Utah man.
Posted By: brianmall

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by run
King Solomon was a polygamist. 700 wives and 300 concubines.



Lol

Yeah, and all his proverbs were from experience gained from errors in his life!


As in: Do as I say not as I do.
Posted By: 330-Trapper

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 12:40 AM

Originally Posted by Eagleye
If one skins and the other one fleshes- I'm in!

Thats funny
Posted By: Pike River

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by brianmall
Originally Posted by run
King Solomon was a polygamist. 700 wives and 300 concubines.



Lol

Yeah, and all his proverbs were from experience gained from errors in his life!


As in: Do as I say not as I do.

Written before all the wives and concubines.

Once he got mixed up in all those women he lost his wisdom....
Posted By: YamaCat

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by snowy
Mitt Romney is an Utah man.


As far as I know, he’s an Easterner. Utah just accepted him because, well you know why.
Posted By: jeff karsten

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 01:25 AM

[quote=ScottPhillips]You know what is bad about multiple wives?..............Multiple mother-in-laws!![/q


Scariest thing I ever heard on here
Posted By: jeff karsten

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 01:28 AM

NO Romney is not an easterner HE's not from Michigan He's where he belongs as he will make someone a fine wife
Posted By: Birdman382

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 01:38 AM

Ten four
Posted By: Sprung&Rusty

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by KeithC
As long as all the people in a polygamous marriage are consenting adults, I don't care who marries who. It's their business, not mine.

Keith

What if one of many women was your daughter?
Posted By: Grandpa Trapper

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 02:35 AM

Originally Posted by run
King Solomon was a polygamist. 700 wives and 300 concubines.


I wonder if he knew all their names?
Posted By: snowy

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 03:16 AM

Everyone claims Mitt is from their state. He most likely has a women or many in each state. LOL
Posted By: KeithC

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 03:35 AM

Originally Posted by Sprung&Rusty
Originally Posted by KeithC
As long as all the people in a polygamous marriage are consenting adults, I don't care who marries who. It's their business, not mine.

Keith

What if one of many women was your daughter?


If she was an adult and the man and other women were okay people it would not bother me at all.

Keith
Posted By: NonPCfed

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 04:52 AM

Quote
Originally Posted by brianmall
Originally Posted by run
King Solomon was a polygamist. 700 wives and 300 concubines.

Lol

Yeah, and all his proverbs were from experience gained from errors in his life!


As in: Do as I say not as I do.

Written before all the wives and concubines.

Once he got mixed up in all those women he lost his wisdom....


Yup, and his son had the overall kingdom of Israel torn in two due to Solomon's sins. The problem, as usual, was he started to believe his own BS that he could do it all on this own. Lots of those 700 wives, let alone the 300 extra bimbos, were foreign and brought all their pagan gods to worship with them. Solomon allowed it and even practiced worshiping them as well and that's were things went bad. God didn't allow Israel to be torn into two pieces while Solomon was alive because he was King David's son but the kingdom never recovered and started its downhill decline. The honey was no longer sweet...
Posted By: Scout1

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 05:01 AM

Originally Posted by KeithC
As long as all the people in a polygamous marriage are consenting adults, I don't care who marries who. It's their business, not mine.

Keith

[Linked Image]
Anyone OK with this????
Posted By: KeithC

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 05:21 AM

Originally Posted by Scout1
Originally Posted by KeithC
As long as all the people in a polygamous marriage are consenting adults, I don't care who marries who. It's their business, not mine.

Keith

[Linked Image]
Anyone OK with this????


I don't think anyone under the age of 18 should get married. No one should be forced to get married ever.

Keitn
Posted By: tjm

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 05:38 AM

Aside from the child molester above, there is about zero difference between polygamy and serial monogamy, well except maybe the polygamist continues to support the first wives and the serial monogamist just moves on and lets the woman fend for itself or become a welfare liability.
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 07:05 AM

when did polygamy ever stop in UT? FWIW not all the polygamists think Jeff Daniels is gods prophet. the mormans, like every religion, have different branches

wonder why so many religious leaders are pedophiles?
Posted By: Scout1

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by danny clifton
when did polygamy ever stop in UT? FWIW not all the polygamists think Jeff Daniels is gods prophet. the mormans, like every religion, have different branches

wonder why so many religious leaders are pedophiles?

Jeff Daniels is an actor, pretty funny! Warren Jeffs is a sicko that needs lead in his noggin!
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 11:44 AM

I'm glad you knew who I was talking about. Anybody that claims to be the voice of god is not someone i pay a lot of attention to.
Posted By: Pike River

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 11:54 AM

Maybe the LDS and the FLDS can reunite.
Posted By: JCBearss

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 11:57 AM

This post is internet gold
Posted By: gryhkl

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by tjm
Aside from the child molester above, there is about zero difference between polygamy and serial monogamy, well except maybe the polygamist continues to support the first wives and the serial monogamist just moves on and lets the woman fend for itself or become a welfare liability.



Wow, ya nailed it! Excellent point!
Posted By: BernieB.

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 12:07 PM

So if one wife is mad at you, just go down the hall to the other's bedroom for the night. Never have to sleep on the couch. pretty sure that's the whole motivation behind it.
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 12:22 PM

Imo the idea was to increase the members of the church. How many men would have 40-50 kids without having multiple wives? Another plus is teaching blind obedience. Lots easier to control people who are trained from birth to obey.
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 12:26 PM

Men didnt (don't) marry at puberty. They married in their early twenties. Many of them were pushed out or killed in all the gun battles of the early church. By marrying young girls there were more options. Pick up a few from your neighbor when he died and a few more when his daughters began menstruating
Posted By: BernieB.

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 12:59 PM

One time I told my wife that when she got to be 40 I was going to trade her in for two 20's. That didn't go over well. She brought it up again when she turned 40 and then I said I didn't want to have to start over training two of them. Well that didn't go over well either. Now she's 58 and I have learned to just keep my mouth shut.
Posted By: Mark June

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by BernieB.
One time I told my wife that when she got to be 40 I was going to trade her in for two 20's. That didn't go over well. She brought it up again when she turned 40 and then I said I didn't want to have to start over training two of them. Well that didn't go over well either. Now she's 58 and I have learned to just keep my mouth shut.


We've all been there Bernie. We've all been there brother.

I heard a man say one time (and now I snicker every time it comes back to mind),

He told his wife, "YOU KNOW! 95% OF THE WOMEN IN THIS WORLD WOULD LOVE TO BE WITH A MAN LIKE ME!"

And without missing a beat, she said, "Sounds about right. 95% of people are wrong at any given time."

cool
Posted By: Pike River

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by BernieB.
One time I told my wife that when she got to be 40 I was going to trade her in for two 20's. That didn't go over well. She brought it up again when she turned 40 and then I said I didn't want to have to start over training two of them. Well that didn't go over well either. Now she's 58 and I have learned to just keep my mouth shut.

I don't think you're wired for two20....probably blow all your fuses.
Posted By: Pike River

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by danny clifton
Imo the idea was to increase the members of the church. How many men would have 40-50 kids without having multiple wives? Another plus is teaching blind obedience. Lots easier to control people who are trained from birth to obey.

I just did the 23 and Me DNA test. My maternal grandmother was a Utah mormon that met my grandfather and got out.

Anywho....that side of the family tree is heavy with branches. Assuming because her grandfather had multiple wives
Posted By: Mac

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by BernieB.
One time I told my wife that when she got to be 40 I was going to trade her in for two 20's. That didn't go over well. She brought it up again when she turned 40 and then I said I didn't want to have to start over training two of them. Well that didn't go over well either. Now she's 58 and I have learned to just keep my mouth shut.



I heard an old guy tell his wife that same thing.
She came back "Dear, you are not wired to handle 220"
Posted By: ky_coyote_hunter

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 01:29 PM

Talk about the Mormons all you want, but at least they were out in the open about it....The Catholic's on the other hand with what they did, were not, they tried to hide it... And for that to have happened all over the word with alarming regularity points to a central condoning of homosexual child molestation.
Posted By: upstateNY

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by Scout1
Originally Posted by KeithC
As long as all the people in a polygamous marriage are consenting adults, I don't care who marries who. It's their business, not mine.

Keith

[Linked Image]
Anyone OK with this????

Looks like creepy joe biden getting ready to do some hair sniffin.
Posted By: Mark June

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 01:42 PM

Mormonism and Islam both would seem to focus on procreation as a means to make one's name great. Same old sin that's been going on since... well, way back when.
Modern day Mormon's really aren't aware of the behind the scenes doctrine of their faith, but it's not a traditional orthodox faith. Joseph Smith, who is their visionary, had a legal law marriage as a facade, but there are now compelling reports of over 40 others he "married" in secret. Sometimes marrying the daughter of a woman first and then her mother.
So you get women in this life seems to be a theme.
Islam just promises women in the next.
Women and sex.
Go figure. Who would figure you could get able bodied men if that were taught some of this from a mountainside or pulpit?

In our traditional Christianity, Moses writing that a man would become one flesh with one woman, a covenant created by God, and that a man was to only have one wife was absolutely outside normal customs of his time;

A time when marriage was pretty fluid, divorces were easily obtained with the man saying just a few words, multiple concubines were encouraged, eunuchs and more used as partners, man on man was not shameful, but expected, underage of any flavor was not wrong, orgies common, etc.

Today, we sit in the doctrine of the Christian faith when we say "I do, till death to us part." There had/has been no such teaching, before or since Moses was Divinely Inspired to write.
Posted By: ky_coyote_hunter

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 01:59 PM

I never would have thought of comparing Mormonism with Islam.....Wow!, just wow.
Posted By: 330-Trapper

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by BernieB.
One time I told my wife that when she got to be 40 I was going to trade her in for two 20's. That didn't go over well. She brought it up again when she turned 40 and then I said I didn't want to have to start over training two of them. Well that didn't go over well either. Now she's 58 and I have learned to just keep my mouth shut.

My Dad told Mom thst... and now theyre each others ex's
Posted By: grapestomper

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by BernieB.
One time I told my wife that when she got to be 40 I was going to trade her in for two 20's. That didn't go over well. She brought it up again when she turned 40 and then I said I didn't want to have to start over training two of them. Well that didn't go over well either. Now she's 58 and I have learned to just keep my mouth shut.


Maybe you can go for three in two years.
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 02:26 PM

Quote
Today, we sit in the doctrine of the Christian faith when we say "I do, till death to us part." There had/has been no such teaching, before or since Moses was Divinely Inspired to write.






Thats not really accurate. There are many cultures and religions where one man one woman is practiced. A sackful that had never heard of judaism.
Posted By: Mark June

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
I never would have thought of comparing Mormonism with Islam.....Wow!, just wow.


I didn't compare the doctrine of their faith ky_coyote_hunter.
I compared their dogma of what they profess about the woman.
Doctrine is another slice of apple pie.
And most Mormons I know, and it is a growing religion, especially in Africa and abroad, are really nice people who really don't know the core doctrine of their faith.

When I ask a Mormon (typically really nice, educated people), about the God they are knocking on my door about, there's usually two of them looking at me. One the mentor and one the student. I ask about their Father, Son, and Holy Spirit God? They say we believe in that. But then I say, but your church tenets say there is a Holy Mother in Heaven who conceived with a Holy Father and that's now 4 God's including the Mother? They start to defend. And I ask why their church believes that God, the Father was once a man? They usually go to another door at that point.

And I didn't even get to the part where Mormonism especially emphasizes the sexual act in marriage and re-production that begins the liberating process of spirit-children being given flesh and through the Mormon church process becoming God's themselves (Mormon Doctrine 320)??

"I cannot conceive it possible that God could be a person if he filled the immensity of space and was everywhere present at the same time. It is unreasonable... to imagine that even God the eternal Father would be in two places, as an individual, at the same moment. It is impossible. [Gospel Doctrines: Selections from the Sermons and Writings of Jospeh F. Smith, 12th ed. Salt Lake Deseret, 1961, 55-56]

Jesus warned us repeatedly there would be false prophets, professing in his name.
Amen.
Posted By: ky_coyote_hunter

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 03:11 PM

Mark, I know you weren't comparing doctrines.

Honestly, I didn't know what the word dogma meant, so I looked it up...It means an established opinion.

So you think Mormons and Islamist have the same opinions of there women?....Have you seen how followers of Islam treat their women?

You do know that the Mormon wives chose the other wives for their husbands, right?....Do you think they chose the hottest co-wives around so their husbands could have more sex?..Lol.

It was for procreation, and I'm not talking about the splinter groups, who knows what they do or did....There is such a misunderstanding about polygamy and the mainstream LDS church it's hard to believe.

Joseph Smith might have had a bunch of wives I don't know, or even care...But, the part about the holy father and mother etc. concerns their belief in the pre-existance and all things being in spiritual form in heaven before here on temporal earth.

Of course they aren't going to speak with you about that on a initial visit, you don't have the knowledge of where their even coming from to be able to carry out the conversation....Plus, if I personally were looking for a Mormon conversion from you, I might figure there would be easier converts who didn't think they knew how someone from another faith believed.
Posted By: jwill

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 04:06 PM

"you don't have the knowledge of where their even coming from to be able to carry out the conversation".
I dont think you need much knowledge to run from mormanism.As Joseph Smith made the claim in the King Follet discourse..."As man is God once was, and as god is man may become" God is just an exalted man in mormanism. And you can become God through exaltation and with youre wives populate a new solar system. Any religion where you become God is obviously false.
Posted By: Pike River

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 04:14 PM

Wouod be interesting if we start to see matriarchal families where one woman ties down a few fellas with income like in some Indian cultures.
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 04:16 PM

Quote
Any religion where you become God is obviously false.


Well thats exactly what I think when I hear about walking on water, getting tossed in a furnace and surviving, manna from heaven and a bunch of kids getting killed by a bear for teasing a bald man.
Posted By: ky_coyote_hunter

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 04:25 PM

I'm not trying to convert anyone....All religions have it wrong IMO.
I'm just explaining why they wouldn't engage him at that point about the subject.

I will say this about Mormons, as a people they have no peer, honest, hard working, clean living, and from sitting through many Mormon services learned they NEVER trash another faith and I find that exceptional.

After sitting through Baptist, Primitive Baptist, Southern Baptist, Pentecostal, Church of Christ, etc. services, and they all trashed other faiths during their services, which is uncalled for.

So yes, I will defend Mormons quite a bit, we can learn a lot from them.....Now, what do y'all think about the Catholic Priests, and what they were doing to all those little boys around the world, which seems 100X worse to me than polygamy.
Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 04:50 PM

the way i look at it in the US you have the right to any or no religions belief.

trying to legitimize a religion or belief structure that requires faith as part of it's explanation makes it so that anyone can believe anything and short of one having a longer history than the other they are equally valid under the law.

why the major religions don't really question Pastatarianism , is it a made up religion sure but prove any other isn't using the logic you would use to tear down this one.

and so it is.

I don't have a problem with multiple wife's (spouses) as long as they are all legal adults , whom of their own free will choose the union and may dissolve the union at any time.

whats worse , a woman who has kids with 5 different baby daddies and Baby daddies that have 9 children with 9 different women and support none or a man with 2 wifes and children that he supports fully.

the problem is less that a person would have multiple spouses and more that we have a system of welfare and subsidies that people will exploit to their benefit , they are more likely to be exploiting these benefits when not showing a legal marital status.

clearly not having a system of legal second marriage has turned it into an exploitation of minors as "wives" in many cases.

perhaps a system where the legal adult person spouse had to travel to obtain a marriage license from the state capitol where they could be interviewed independently to determine if this is their free will and offer them a safe way out should they ask for it.
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 05:19 PM

The way i understand it is that in Utah a girl can marry at 14. So a couple marries in their church then registers at the county clerks office. When its time for wife #2 he divorces wife #1 under state law but remains married to her under church law.

By legally marrying a 14 year old child he avoids any charges of statutory rape even if they leave the state of Utah. A man has one legal wife but 4 church wives say, and the church wives have 4-6 kids apiece. They all live on the same piece of property and have communal meals and worship together. Each wife and her kids each have their own mobile home which the husband takes turns visiting in the evening and spending the night in.

So the 4 women he has divorced under state law apply for welfare. Now the husband gets 1/3 or whatever the max is of his paycheck garnished to "pay" for the welfare and medicaid but his wives receive about 20 times that amount in benefits.

It is all a grey area legally and we get to pay for it. Its that whole government foots the bill thing I have a problem with.
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by adam m
Originally Posted by run
King Solomon was a polygamist. 700 wives and 300 concubines.

Yup.
1 wife is a lot but 700 is either insane or genius. Keep in mind Solomon is considered the wisest person ever.


Also, if not the wealthiest, one of the wealthiest in his day.
Posted By: BernieB.

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
I'm not trying to convert anyone....All religions have it wrong IMO.
I'm just explaining why they wouldn't engage him at that point about the subject.

I will say this about Mormons, as a people they have no peer, honest, hard working, clean living, and from sitting through many Mormon services learned they NEVER trash another faith and I find that exceptional.

After sitting through Baptist, Primitive Baptist, Southern Baptist, Pentecostal, Church of Christ, etc. services, and they all trashed other faiths during their services, which is uncalled for.

So yes, I will defend Mormons quite a bit, we can learn a lot from them.....Now, what do y'all think about the Catholic Priests, and what they were doing to all those little boys around the world, which seems 100X worse to me than polygamy.

[b][/b]

So I guess you have just started your own.
Posted By: Donnersurvivor

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 05:31 PM

Did you know you have over twice as many female recitatives as male. DNA research proves over the course of history females have been far more likely to reproduce than males, it was obvious that most men historically did not have a chance to reproduce and that men of means partnered with multiple women. Then along comes monogamous cultures were every young man has a near equal chance to reproduce, as a result those cultures have far less infighting and will go on to take over and eradicate the cultures who practice Polygamy.

If men of means again become the hoarders of women and that access to quality women is largely regulated to those with wealth then those who see little opportunity to attract a quality mate will have to take greater and greater risk to aquire wealth. Being cutthroat and aggressive will again become the way to get ahead rather than stable.
Posted By: Castormound

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 05:38 PM

Anyone who wants more that 1 wife can have at it!!!!!!!
Posted By: Mark June

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by BernieB.
Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
I'm not trying to convert anyone....All religions have it wrong IMO.
I'm just explaining why they wouldn't engage him at that point about the subject.

I will say this about Mormons, as a people they have no peer, honest, hard working, clean living, and from sitting through many Mormon services learned they NEVER trash another faith and I find that exceptional.

After sitting through Baptist, Primitive Baptist, Southern Baptist, Pentecostal, Church of Christ, etc. services, and they all trashed other faiths during their services, which is uncalled for.

So yes, I will defend Mormons quite a bit, we can learn a lot from them.....Now, what do y'all think about the Catholic Priests, and what they were doing to all those little boys around the world, which seems 100X worse to me than polygamy.

[b][/b]

So I guess you have just started your own.


There are over 11,000 documented theisms on earth. Many find the one they themselves deem good.
Posted By: Pike River

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by danny clifton


So the 4 women he has divorced under state law apply for welfare. Now the husband gets 1/3 or whatever the max is of his paycheck garnished to "pay" for the welfare and medicaid but his wives receive about 20 times that amount in benefits.

It is all a grey area legally and we get to pay for it. Its that whole government foots the bill thing I have a problem with.

They count household income. Each woman would have to have a unique address not just separate trailers.
Posted By: Pike River

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Did you know you have over twice as many female recitatives as male. DNA research proves over the course of history females have been far more likely to reproduce than males, it was obvious that most men historically did not have a chance to reproduce and that men of means partnered with multiple women. Then along comes monogamous cultures were every young man has a near equal chance to reproduce, as a result those cultures have far less infighting and will go on to take over and eradicate the cultures who practice Polygamy.

If men of means again become the hoarders of women and that access to quality women is largely regulated to those with wealth then those who see little opportunity to attract a quality mate will have to take greater and greater risk to aquire wealth. Being cutthroat and aggressive will again become the way to get ahead rather than stable.

Where does adultery fall on the scale between monogamy and polygamy?

Plenty of people live polygamist lifestyles without ever legally registering their relationship. Sometimes the spouse knows...sometimes not.
Posted By: tjm

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 05:57 PM

Take the church out of it, is everyone still opposed to polygamy?

Any men here have a second or third wife?

Does the Judeo-Christian God made marriage "forming one flesh" "til death do we part" doctrine not mean that all those marriages cannot be broken by civil divorce?
The same doctrine as a Church Marriage?
So are the twice (or more) married Christian men adulterers or polygamists?
Posted By: Donnersurvivor

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Pike River

Where does adultery fall on the scale between monogamy and polygamy?

Plenty of people live polygamist lifestyles without ever legally registering their relationship. Sometimes the spouse knows...sometimes not.


Plenty of people were living gay lifestyles before it became legal to marry. Only a couple years after it became legal it became widely accepted to the point we are praising castrating children, allowing 8 year olds to dance on bar tops while men throw money at them, teaching about gay sex in schools and allowing trannys to come read to kids in public schools and librarys wearing dresses.
Posted By: Donnersurvivor

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by tjm
Take the church out of it, is everyone still opposed to polygamy?


Done, Church is out of it for me. I oppose gay marriage, polygamy, legalized drugs (to various degrees). I do not practice religion, I am just a Conservative who would like to see the country and culture continue.
Posted By: ky_coyote_hunter

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by BernieB.
Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
I'm not trying to convert anyone....All religions have it wrong IMO.
I'm just explaining why they wouldn't engage him at that point about the subject.

I will say this about Mormons, as a people they have no peer, honest, hard working, clean living, and from sitting through many Mormon services learned they NEVER trash another faith and I find that exceptional.

After sitting through Baptist, Primitive Baptist, Southern Baptist, Pentecostal, Church of Christ, etc. services, and they all trashed other faiths during their services, which is uncalled for.

So yes, I will defend Mormons quite a bit, we can learn a lot from them.....Now, what do y'all think about the Catholic Priests, and what they were doing to all those little boys around the world, which seems 100X worse to me than polygamy.

[b][/b]

So I guess you have just started your own.


No, Just choose to focus on Christ
Posted By: ky_coyote_hunter

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by danny clifton
The way i understand it is that in Utah a girl can marry at 14. So a couple marries in their church then registers at the county clerks office. When its time for wife #2 he divorces wife #1 under state law but remains married to her under church law.

By legally marrying a 14 year old child he avoids any charges of statutory rape even if they leave the state of Utah. A man has one legal wife but 4 church wives say, and the church wives have 4-6 kids apiece. They all live on the same piece of property and have communal meals and worship together. Each wife and her kids each have their own mobile home which the husband takes turns visiting in the evening and spending the night in.

So the 4 women he has divorced under state law apply for welfare. Now the husband gets 1/3 or whatever the max is of his paycheck garnished to "pay" for the welfare and medicaid but his wives receive about 20 times that amount in benefits.

It is all a grey area legally and we get to pay for it. Its that whole government foots the bill thing I have a problem with.


Hey Danny,

You can marry in Utah at 18 without parental consent, or 16 with parental consent.....Very well may have been 14 in the past though.
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 06:23 PM

looks like they changed it to 15 and a judge has to be involved



https://statelaws.findlaw.com/utah-law/utah-marriage-age-requirements-laws.html
Posted By: ky_coyote_hunter

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by danny clifton
looks like they changed it to 15 and a judge has to be involved



https://statelaws.findlaw.com/utah-law/utah-marriage-age-requirements-laws.html


Well crap, I just read something completely different.....Okay 15 with court approval, gotcha.
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 06:29 PM

whatever the age how hard is it to get a unique address for separate dwellings on a piece of property. especially in a county where polygamy is practiced by the majority of the residents?
Posted By: ky_coyote_hunter

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 06:30 PM

Good question.... The welfare fraud is one big problem I'd have with it.
Posted By: Donnersurvivor

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
Good question.... The welfare fraud is one big problem I'd have with it.

Maybe the solution is welfare reform then. There is no reason we should incentive single motherhood, if you have a kid and cant afford them and your family and community is unwilling to help... there is a long wait for adoptable babies.
Posted By: Pike River

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by danny clifton
whatever the age how hard is it to get a unique address for separate dwellings on a piece of property. especially in a county where polygamy is practiced by the majority of the residents?

Guess it would depend on the municipality.

Some wont let you just subdivide Willy nilly. If you do subdivide you would get charged more property taxes more than likely.

During interview process they will ask how many people live at the property. If an investigator notices that a person is there more than xx amounts of nights per month or account (assistance)could be closed
Posted By: crowheart

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 06:52 PM

You people just need to drink the right beer! [Linked Image]
Posted By: tjm

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by tjm
Take the church out of it, is everyone still opposed to polygamy?


Done, Church is out of it for me. I oppose gay marriage, polygamy, legalized drugs (to various degrees). I do not practice religion, I am just a Conservative who would like to see the country and culture continue.

So, you think the string of abandoned ex-wives and single mothers is better for society than the same number of women and kids would be in stable plural marriages?
Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 07:08 PM

as the father of 18 and 15 year old daughters who married his 21 year old wife at age 21 I can tell you neither of my daughters are ready to marry.

modern society keeps telling us that 18 year olds are not old enough or mature enough to own a firearm which is an inanimate object that basically has one rule don't point it at anything you don't intend to shoot.

yet thinks a 14, 15, 16 , 17 year old girl granted with consent of her parents is old enough to marry and enter into a very complex relationship for life.

I have 2 cousins who got married early 17 , I won't go into detail but I think 18 and 25 years post first weddings and several other failed marriages later they really weren't.

I am willing to say there might could be a 16 or 17 year old that is mature enough for marriage and if they are they will have no problem first becoming an emancipated minor aka under age but legal adult.

my parents also got married at 19 and are still together I am sure some ones grandmother here got married at 14 , 15, 16 , 17 but I think we can also say that it was a different time. creeping that Marriage age up to 18 without emancipation at least insures everyone is a legal consenting adult .

maybe some give and take you can marry as many spouses as you like as long as all the spouses sign each marriage license independently and are legal adults entering into the union with all the spouses of their own free will.

I don't care what consenting adults do with each other but minors shouldn't be getting married.
Posted By: ky_coyote_hunter

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by crowheart
You people just need to drink the right beer! [Linked Image]
Lol, Wonder if they stock that brew in Utah?
Posted By: KeithC

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
Originally Posted by crowheart
You people just need to drink the right beer! [Linked Image]
Lol, Wonder if they stock that brew in Utah?



It's brewed in Utah.

Keith
Posted By: Donnersurvivor

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by tjm
Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor


Done, Church is out of it for me. I oppose gay marriage, polygamy, legalized drugs (to various degrees). I do not practice religion, I am just a Conservative who would like to see the country and culture continue.

So, you think the string of abandoned ex-wives and single mothers is better for society than the same number of women and kids would be in stable plural marriages?


How did you possibly infer that from what I've said?
Posted By: ky_coyote_hunter

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 07:28 PM


Quote



It's brewed in Utah.

Keith


Perfect!
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 07:28 PM

We can not legislate people into responsibility. Government can, and does, reward irresponsible behavior though. IMO this needs to stop. The government is taking money from the working man, who has to carefully budget to take care of his family. Then the government gives it to someone else who does not want to take responsibility for themselves or their children. If that family man that earns says no, I wont pay, then men with guns put him in prison. This has to stop. The only outcome of rewarding irresponsible behavior is more irresponsible behavior.
Posted By: Donnersurvivor

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by danny clifton
We can not legislate people into responsibility.

Where legalized drug use has gone up, prostitution is most popular where legal. I think we can legislate morality/responsibility (to a degree).

I agree with everything else you said about enabling.
Posted By: tjm

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by tjm

So, you think the string of abandoned ex-wives and single mothers is better for society than the same number of women and kids would be in stable plural marriages?


How did you possibly infer that from what I've said?

On what other basis could you be opposed to polygamy, if not religious? It seems obvious to me that one is the alternative of the other.


Personally, I think every man that takes a second woman, with or without marriage, should be required to live with both or all. It might make fewer divorces and fewer single moms. You think we can legislate responsible men?
Posted By: tjm

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 08:56 PM

GCP, The ever increasing age of majority is the enabling of advanced irresponsibility on the part of our youth, if men are old enough to reproduce at 13 years make them take responsibility at that age or make their parents responsible for all their babies and for the son's baby mommies too. Telling a 15 year old that they can't be responsible is telling them to be irresponsible. By age 21 a vigorous young man could have left behind a dozen kids that we have told him he is incapable of being responsible for and a young woman could have had several babies that we are willing to absolve her of responsibility for and place in the care of the state.
We need to teach responsibility to children before they reach puberty not at middle age. Our society wants to enable immoral actions? If that's so, we should require children to stay at home til age 26, or more.
Posted By: 330-Trapper

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 08:57 PM

I dont believe the Mormon men are submissive to their Wives wishes in any way

Not procreation for strength...nah just don't believe that

Their chauvinism wouldnt allow for that.

It was A Mans Set up from the start.
Posted By: Donnersurvivor

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by tjm

On what other basis could you be opposed to polygamy, if not religious? It seems obvious to me that one is the alternative of the other.


Personally, I think every man that takes a second woman, with or without marriage, should be required to live with both or all. It might make fewer divorces and fewer single moms. You think we can legislate responsible men?


Did you miss all my other post in this thread? I am wondering if you are accidentally confusing polygamy and monogamy?
Posted By: BernieB.

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
Good question.... The welfare fraud is one big problem I'd have with it.

Maybe the solution is welfare reform then. There is no reason we should incentive single motherhood, if you have a kid and cant afford them and your family and community is unwilling to help... there is a long wait for adoptable babies.



There's a very strong reason for this: the democrats have been buying votes with welfare and other government programs for decades. And when Lyndon Johnson said he would have the blacks voting democrats for the rest of their lives, this is what he was talking about. The democrats have always believed that if they cannot physically enslave the blacks they will economically enslave them and it's worked pretty well for them.
Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by tjm
GCP, The ever increasing age of majority is the enabling of advanced irresponsibility on the part of our youth, if men are old enough to reproduce at 13 years make them take responsibility at that age or make their parents responsible for all their babies and for the son's baby mommies too. Telling a 15 year old that they can't be responsible is telling them to be irresponsible. By age 21 a vigorous young man could have left behind a dozen kids that we have told him he is incapable of being responsible for and a young woman could have had several babies that we are willing to absolve her of responsibility for and place in the care of the state.
We need to teach responsibility to children before they reach puberty not at middle age. Our society wants to enable immoral actions? If that's so, we should require children to stay at home til age 26, or more.


I am all about responsibility and teaching responsibility.
there are definitely stages of responsibility.
teaching kids about guns and safety even if they want nothing to do with them a very minimal there is no such thing as a loaded gun and if you want to see a gun you have to ask your mother or I and we will get it for you and show you and supervise.

my first child to start puberty was age 11 explained the realities of how bodies work , it was no mystery when we got done explaining. keeping it as age appropriate as one can concentrated on the science of it.

sat my son down and he got the same understanding of how the body male and female works.

the parents are also absolutely responsible for what their minors do to some extent if your daughter gets pregnant at 16 then you as her parent need to help her with that child till she is 18 as well as the boy and his family working out a custody schedule and making sure someone is always caring for the child and that it is being well provided for.

I absolutely am about your an adult , and full adult responsibilities at 18 does that make me think my 18 year old daughter is ready for marriage no she hasn't graduated high-school yet.

I am also opposed to children living at home till 26 , I moved out to attend school at 17 never moved home again I visited on weekends I made it work others can too if they put some effort in.
Posted By: Sheepdog1

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 10:15 PM

better own a silk farm and one hec of a cotton farm. Not to mention a distillery and headache remedy
Posted By: ApocalypticGoatH

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/13/20 10:30 PM

I told my kids I wasn't going to raise their pets or their illegitimate children. Haven't had to do either. My daughter in law will be delivering my first grandchild in June.
Posted By: Scout1

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/14/20 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by Pike River
Wouod be interesting if we start to see matriarchal families where one woman ties down a few fellas with income like in some Indian cultures.

That would look like a ball of garter snakes mating!!
Posted By: Scout1

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/14/20 02:45 AM

Read the book " Under the Banner of Heaven" by Jon Krakauer. There is also a documentary I believe on Netflix. The FLDS ones are screwed up. I believe it's Colorado City where a big portion lives. Sickening!!!!
Posted By: brn2fsh

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/14/20 05:31 AM

And his father is from a polygamist colany in Mexico.
Posted By: star flakes

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/14/20 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by KeithC
As long as all the people in a polygamous marriage are consenting adults, I don't care who marries who. It's their business, not mine.

Keith



It is a matter of DNA. One male with 5 wives could father 60 children, all inter related with the same defects of the original male. Interbreeding creates weaker DNA, retardation and amplifies the problem of disease. For example, the father might have heart disease, and as his children would not have nothing but other close cousins as the same male family would have all the wives, it would produce a race of humans with bad hearts.

It becomes all of our business as a weakened gene pool is not there for us when we are old, to protect us from other nations in war, or from more healthy criminals in the next state over, who decide they want our nice things. Whether it is homosexuals using sex for their own political means or one male producing a race of inbreds, it all weakens the nation, and every person has the responsibility to not be a burden on the community, as a family living traditionally is being infringed on by those who are violating the social and medical realities.
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/14/20 09:04 AM

so your saying the government needs to dna test every american male? any defectives need sterilized?

you going to give jews or amish a pass? they are closed societys that been around a long while too.
Posted By: Foxpaw

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/14/20 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by star flakes
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Originally Posted by KeithC
As long as all the people in a polygamous marriage are consenting adults, I don't care who marries who. It's their business, not mine.

Keith



It is a matter of DNA. One male with 5 wives could father 60 children, all inter related with the same defects of the original male. Interbreeding creates weaker DNA, retardation and amplifies the problem of disease. For example, the father might have heart disease, and as his children would not have nothing but other close cousins as the same male family would have all the wives, it would produce a race of humans with bad hearts.

It becomes all of our business as a weakened gene pool is not there for us when we are old, to protect us from other nations in war, or from more healthy criminals in the next state over, who decide they want our nice things. Whether it is homosexuals using sex for their own political means or one male producing a race of inbreds, it all weakens the nation, and every person has the responsibility to not be a burden on the community, as a family living traditionally is being infringed on by those who are violating the social and medical realities.


Can anyone comment about DNA to explain about the clans were not to mix with Moab and Ammon until the 10th generation had passed. Ruth was a descendant from Moab from which David and Jesus was descendants. I have heard some try to get around the link by saying Ruth wasn't a descendant from Moab but I doubt that holds water.

Another thought is if the effects of DNA is almost mute after 10 generations, then how did the writers know that unless the Word was inspired?
Posted By: Foxpaw

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/14/20 02:41 PM




I also found some stuff that says you can have same DNA and not be any closer related than just human. They call that DNA by state or by descent. I didn't list any links because they are selling dna stuff and explaining why theirs is best, and I'm more ignorant than a hog on ice on the subject.

Nor am I pro on the multiple wife thing, just seeking knowledge.
Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/14/20 03:56 PM

the Amish figured out the inbreeding issue they swap families between communities , see it quite a bit here my wife works with a lot of Amish who need fuel delivered and thus sees all the names and knows when a new family hits the area or one leaves because they are coming in to set up an account to get fuel delivered.

polygamists could also figure it out , I think they choose not to.

even Iceland figured it out with the Bump App , Iceland is particularly hard because your last name is your fathers first name and son or daughter so they built an app using data from the genealogy records tap phones and if you screen goes green she is further than 2nd cousin if it goes red say hey cuz!

it happens even in small towns , a friends mother when she was going into highschool said ok here is the thing we have a lot of family in the area A LOT and you don't know them all so if you like a boy and your going to go on a date I need to know his dad's name and his moms maiden name and I will tell you if you can date him. good thing she met here husband at an out of town track meet. he was from 40 miles away next state over and her mom had never heard of the family.

the town I grew up in date-able girls in my high-school class were slim if we start adding up Kin out to second cousin I am well over a hundred I think I have at least 25 first cousins.

I moved 2 hours away to school and found a wife born on the other side of the state.
Posted By: KeithC

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/14/20 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by star flakes
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Originally Posted by KeithC
As long as all the people in a polygamous marriage are consenting adults, I don't care who marries who. It's their business, not mine.

Keith



It is a matter of DNA. One male with 5 wives could father 60 children, all inter related with the same defects of the original male. Interbreeding creates weaker DNA, retardation and amplifies the problem of disease. For example, the father might have heart disease, and as his children would not have nothing but other close cousins as the same male family would have all the wives, it would produce a race of humans with bad hearts.

It becomes all of our business as a weakened gene pool is not there for us when we are old, to protect us from other nations in war, or from more healthy criminals in the next state over, who decide they want our nice things. Whether it is homosexuals using sex for their own political means or one male producing a race of inbreds, it all weakens the nation, and every person has the responsibility to not be a burden on the community, as a family living traditionally is being infringed on by those who are violating the social and medical realities.


Negative recessive traits, which need two genes to express, are more likely to show, but so are positive recessive traits. This is why all of our domestic animals are heavily linebred. Negative recessive traits are not particularly common in most species, including humans and are very rare in many species.

Humans are already very inbred, which is why we share over 99% of our DNA.

There are enough people who won't be polygamous to make it a non issue. Ignoring all this, gene therapies, to replace defective genes are now becoming commonly used. Negative recessive genes will soon just be regulary edited out, when they are an issue.

Keith
Posted By: Rolee

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/14/20 10:06 PM

Any mormons on here? Can they trap?
Posted By: Boco

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/14/20 10:08 PM

There are a few on here that are only one M short of being mormons.
Posted By: KeithC

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/14/20 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by Rolee
Any mormons on here? Can they trap?


I am not a Mormon, but have a very good friend Chad, who is a Mormon, albeit not a very religious one. I have known him for 34 years. When he doesn't have to work, he hunts more than anyone I have ever known. He is a lineman and works a lot. He traps some too and fishes a lot. I was the one who got him into hunting, when he was a little kid living two doors down. He has been my youngest brother's best friend, since they were 6 and went with us hunting and fishing hundreds of times, growing up.

Keith
Posted By: Rolee

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/15/20 12:12 AM

No doubt keith, i hear lots of good things about mormons,, wouldn’t wanna be one but generally good people same with jehovas witnesses..
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/15/20 12:20 AM

I have no use for the jehovah witness cult. Had to call the sheriff and complain about trespassing to get them to leave me alone. I know a woman raised in that cult. She rejected it when she got into high school. Her parents will not speak to her if they meet in a grocery store. Its part of their superstition since she was baptized a witness then rejected it. Like I said no use for them at all. Mormons are polite. Only show up every few years. Dont get pushy and the Mormons go on their way when I tell them I don't believe.
Posted By: Rolee

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/15/20 12:47 AM

Fair enough danny
Posted By: Mark June

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/15/20 01:03 AM

Utah is a beautiful state grin
Posted By: Pike River

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/15/20 02:41 AM

Originally Posted by Rolee
No doubt keith, i hear lots of good things about mormons,, wouldn’t wanna be one but generally good people same with jehovas witnesses..

Just folks tryimg their best to be 1st century Christians. They domt harm me none and seem to be nice folks. Same with Amish and Mennonite.
Posted By: Grandpa Trapper

Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy? - 02/15/20 03:25 AM

Originally Posted by Rolee
Any mormons on here? Can they trap?


I am not Mormon but live in Mormon country and have some relatives that are Mormon. Yes they can trap and some are very good at it. In fact, overall Mormons are conservative and are gun owners. They are a survivalist religion that believe in being well prepared for the future. The old Boy Scout thinking.
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