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Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed?

Posted By: Canvasback2

Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 03:15 AM

"Chinese chicken" will soon have a whole new meaning, as the U.S. Department of Agriculture recently gave the green-light to four chicken processing plants in China, allowing chicken raised and slaughtered in the U.S. to be exported to China for processing, and then shipped back to the U.S. and sold on grocery shelves here.
The actual arrangement will take some time to set in, however. "All this means is that we've deemed China's poultry processing equivalent to the process in the United States," says Arianne Perkins, USDA public affairs specialist. Individual companies will still have to be certified, something Perkins says has not happened yet.
While the logistics are hard to imagine-if we can't safely leave chicken out for the length of a family picnic, how can it be shipped halfway around the world and back with no ill effects?-the USDA is doing its best to reassure both chicken farmers and consumers that the process is 100-percent safe.
"The Food Safety and Inspection Service's number-one priority is always food safety," Perkins says. In the official memo, the FSIS says that "all outstanding issues have been resolved"-a pretty big promise considering that in the past year alone China has made news for passing off rat meat as mutton, selling sausages filled with maggots, inexplicably finding thousands of dead pigs floating in the waters of Shanghai, and even having an outbreak of the H7N9 bird flu in live poultry.



"We do have a concern about safety," National Chicken Council senior vice president Bill Roenigk said in a statement. "But we've been assured and reassured by the USDA that they will do 100-percent testing on poultry products from China. We have confidence that the USDA will do that testing and do it in a good and adequate manner."

However Perkins adds that while there will be increased testing on the chicken before re-entering the U.S., they will not be doing any on-site monitoring or testing in China, a fact that Rep. Rosa De Lauro (D-Conn.) said in a statement is "deeply worrisome" for American consumers. Even worse, a report just this month from the United States Government Accountability Office found that the USDA's domestic poultry inspections have a lot of problems anyhow, as they are in the process of replacing certified-USDA inspectors with those provided by the poultry companies themselves.

In addition to the concerns that this decision could open the door for even more unsafe practices, no country-of-origin labels are required under the new rules, so consumers won't know where their bird is coming from. Plus industry insiders warn that the move is politically motivated by a desire to get China to re-allow lucrative U.S. beef imports and will likely lead to allowing imports of Chinese chickens, a practice that's been banned since bird flu and other food safety concerns first surfaced.
All of this has many recommending to buy local so you know your dinner is safe and 100-percent all-American.
Posted By: Law Dog

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 03:25 AM

Meds or meat from China no thanks but we are getting it.
Posted By: white17

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 03:29 AM

Nothing is 100% safe....even if processed in the USA.

I'll tell ya what is "deeply worrisome" is having people like Rosa De Lauro in congress !

It's not like people are going to eat this stuff raw ! FCOL people do cook things before eating.

Now if we were talking about Chinese sushi I would have a different opinion
Posted By: Law Dog

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 03:33 AM

The last bbq wings we got from Mexico had enough feathers it could fly by itself I trust China even less.
Posted By: 330-Trapper

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 03:37 AM

Well that is concerning to say the least!
Posted By: ApocalypticGoatH

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 03:48 AM

When I read the label on processed food I want to have some assurance that the label is accurate. No thanks to food processed in China.
Posted By: KeithC

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 04:03 AM

I foresee the possibility of Chinese virologists coming up with a slow to show symptoms, extremely lethal virus, vaccinating all the Chinese people they want to save, placing the virus in thousands of tons of food shipped all over the US and rest of the world and becoming the world's only super power.

Keith
Posted By: white17

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 04:09 AM

Originally Posted by KeithC
I foresee the possibility of Chinese virologists coming up with a slow to show symptoms, extremely lethal virus, vaccinating all the Chinese people they want to save, placing the virus in thousands of tons of food shipped all over the US and rest of the world and becoming the world's only super power.

Keith


I certainly share your mistrust of the Democrats ..OOPS I mean the Chinese....... and I am not a virologist by any stretch..........but I doubt a virus would survive that long and under those conditions
Posted By: KeithC

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by white17
Originally Posted by KeithC
I foresee the possibility of Chinese virologists coming up with a slow to show symptoms, extremely lethal virus, vaccinating all the Chinese people they want to save, placing the virus in thousands of tons of food shipped all over the US and rest of the world and becoming the world's only super power.

Keith


I certainly share your mistrust of the Democrats ..OOPS I mean the Chinese....... and I am not a virologist by any stretch..........but I doubt a virus would survive that long and under those conditions


Parvovirus, for instance can live in soil for over a year and take freezing temperatures. I am sure there are tougher viruses than Parvo. I would think a virologist could splice hardy viruses to less hardy ones to make very hardy, virulent ones.

Keith
Posted By: 330-Trapper

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by white17
Originally Posted by KeithC
I foresee the possibility of Chinese virologists coming up with a slow to show symptoms, extremely lethal virus, vaccinating all the Chinese people they want to save, placing the virus in thousands of tons of food shipped all over the US and rest of the world and becoming the world's only super power.

Keith


I certainly share your mistrust of the Democrats ..OOPS I mean the Chinese....... and I am not a virologist by any stretch..........but I doubt a virus would survive that long and under those conditions

grin
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 09:19 AM

my daughter has birds. lots of them. ducks geese peabirds of multiple varietys. raises and sells rabbits along with chickens. maybe i need to pay her to raise me about 50 a year. when i was a kid i did not like chicken killing day. wet feathers, guts, burning off pin feathers all stink. i like eating them but it always took several days after a chicken killing before i wanted to eat one. i still dont like those smells. can buy thigh/drumsticks in 10 pound sacks at walmart way cheaper than you can raise them yourself. i guess there is just not going to be any more cheap meat you can trust. might have to buy those ridiculously high priced deer tags ks sells. fishing license i still come out way ahead on though
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 09:31 AM

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Took this out of the freezer yesterday. Bought a show pig from a little girl whose dad went to school with my kids. I didnt feed it or anything but I trust him not to sell me a hog loaded up with antibiotics or something. I like buying already dressed chicken at the grocery store but there are options. This China thing happens I won't buy anymore. I can't figure out how its cheaper to ship birds from s.mo, ar, la, ok to china, dress them and ship them back, cheaper than paying those poverty stricken americans and mexicans to do it here at home.
Posted By: WhiteTrash 88

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 10:30 AM

Try not to buy any meat from Wally World or any grocery store for that matter. Buy a beef and a hog or two a year from local farmers that are fed out right with no additives. America is setting itself up for a pandemic in my opinion doing this kind of crap. May pay a titch more for meat this way but you get hamburgers that don't shrink to half there original size when cooking them and a lot better taste.
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 10:34 AM

The only way it costs more to buy a live hog or steer is if you don;t butcher it yourself and even then it shouldn't cost more. Look in your newspapers commodity report to find out the price of fat cattle or butcher hogs.
Posted By: WhiteTrash 88

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 10:54 AM

Your right that it shouldn't cost more but most of the butcher shops around here went up on their processing charges this last year. 3 or 4 of us have got together and butchered in a 2-3 day marathon. A ton of work but good times with good people. All the beer and whiskey increases the price per pound doing it that way 😃
Posted By: Eagleye

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 11:10 AM

Beyond the safety concerns, which I agree with. Think about the Supply Chain logistics involved in shipping a $2.00 chicken to China for processing and then back, I'm sure a bean counter came up with a huge labor savings and capital equipment cost savings but net net, the variable costs would offset any savings not withstanding safety and scheduling concerns. What's the mode of shipment, refrigerated containers, port-to-port, 30 day trip there and 30 day trip back on the water??? Air Freight takes 3-5 days between scheduling, clearance and receipt and would cost the price of the chicken to transact it. Sounds like a great idea frown
Posted By: 8117 Steve R

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 11:20 AM

Once the door is wide open to sending our chickens back from China after they have been processed, it will be an easy step to stop using our chickens and replace them with ones raised in China.
Posted By: Foxpaw

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 11:29 AM

What good does a $15 hour minimum wage do if we ship all the jobs to china for cheap labor ?
Posted By: Donnie H

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 12:02 PM

I figured they would do it like they done with lumber.
Buy logs and ship it out in international water and
saw it up and then ship it back as lumber. What is it,
12 miles out ? They have it figured out...


Donnie
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 12:47 PM

Chicken barns and meat processors are mostly within 200 miles of ft smith ar
Posted By: white17

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by KeithC

Parvovirus, for instance can live in soil for over a year and take freezing temperatures. I am sure there are tougher viruses than Parvo. I would think a virologist could splice hardy viruses to less hardy ones to make very hardy, virulent ones.

Keith



That's right! I had forgotten all about parvo. Saw that happen several times here in different dog yards
Posted By: run

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by WhiteTrash 88
Try not to buy any meat from Wally World or any grocery store for that matter. Buy a beef and a hog or two a year from local farmers that are fed out right with no additives. America is setting itself up for a pandemic in my opinion doing this kind of crap. May pay a titch more for meat this way but you get hamburgers that don't shrink to half there original size when cooking them and a lot better taste.

Well said.
Posted By: Pike River

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 01:26 PM

Hopefully wont be a terrible blow for the Tennessee Valley.
Posted By: BillyTraps

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 02:21 PM

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/china-chicken-reshipped/

things never die on the internet
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by Law Dog
The last bbq wings we got from Mexico had enough feathers it could fly by itself I trust China even less.


That's hilarious! I love it!
laugh
Posted By: Law Dog

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 02:40 PM

I never buy meat from Wally World the wife did long ago and it tasted like preservatives real nasty. They have no butchers that handle the meat it comes prepackaged and treated to sit for long periods of time and look fresh. sick
Posted By: WhiteTrash 88

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 03:16 PM

They just adding red dye #2 and water amongst other chemicals. Nothing that will kill you or make you grow an extra thumb according to the guberment grin
Posted By: mask bandit

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 03:25 PM

What I would like to know , why can't we process our chicken here? How can it be cheaper.
Posted By: Canvasback2

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by danny clifton
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Took this out of the freezer yesterday. Bought a show pig from a little girl whose dad went to school with my kids. I didnt feed it or anything but I trust him not to sell me a hog loaded up with antibiotics or something. I like buying already dressed chicken at the grocery store but there are options. This China thing happens I won't buy anymore. I can't figure out how its cheaper to ship birds from s.mo, ar, la, ok to china, dress them and ship them back, cheaper than paying those poverty stricken americans and mexicans to do it here at home.



How are they supposed to slaughter the Chicken and pigs, freeze the whole carcass so that it can be shipped to China; then thaw it out for processing AND then refreeze it for the shipping back to the USA ? Don't like all that Freeze , thaw and refreeze again...

Then , there is the shipping time..
China Shipping follows Shanghai Port, Ningbo Port, Los Angeles Port with its own container container vessels. The transit time is around 21 days.


Three weeks just to get to China. Month and a half round trip. another 2 days total, to load and unload the ship. and who knows how long to thaw, process and refreeze all that meat.

All the while NO USDA Inspectors on site in China.
Posted By: walleye101

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by mask bandit
What I would like to know , why can't we process our chicken here? How can it be cheaper.


Because no one wants to work if you give them free stuff for not working.
Posted By: danvee

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 04:38 PM

Talk to the POTUS about it
Posted By: Law Dog

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by mask bandit
What I would like to know , why can't we process our chicken here? How can it be cheaper.



Itís not cheaper for us look at LaCrosse boots they moved out of WI to save money their boots are made cheaper and cost a lot more then before.

I got a antibiotic a few years ago made in the US $97.00 for a less then 2 oz, the same size refill was made in China it cost $97.00 also so who is saving really not the working man.
Posted By: Law Dog

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by danvee
Talk to the POTUS about it



Hows your 401K ask POTUS.
Posted By: danvee

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 05:54 PM

IRAs and stocks have been doing great for the last 3 administrations grain and cattle markets anemic. Chickens going overseas possibly is no more migrate workers to do the dirty work that was done in US processing plants.
Posted By: KeithC

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by danvee
IRAs and stocks have been doing great for the last 3 administrations grain and cattle markets anemic. Chickens going overseas possibly is no more migrate workers to do the dirty work that was done in US processing plants.


The stock market crashed in 2008 during George W. Bush's administration, within a very obvious 3 administrations. Please explain how you possibly think that is doing great.

Keith
Posted By: hippie

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by BillyTraps


Seems people won't look at this.

Funny part is and Danvee won't like is Obama allowed their chicken here, lol.
Posted By: Teacher

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 06:11 PM

I know the translator for the Smithfield-Shuanghui International meat deal. Shuanghui was famous in China for selling low cost meats equivalent to our hotdogs. They wanted to be able to sell higher end food where there was a greater profit. So, they bought Smithfield. The product transfer was one way: from the US to China.

Interestingly enough, they tried to sell the Chinese public on the idea that Shuanghui was now producing a better quality. But the Chinese public didnít believe the new brightly colored packaging or labeling. I think they now are able to sell Smithfield processed meats only under the Smithfield name because the Chinese see American food manufacturers/processors as providing a better, safer product.
Posted By: Law Dog

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 06:16 PM

China would not think twice to poison Americans heck they use toxic paint on kids toys years ago that says it all.
Posted By: Law Dog

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by danvee
IRAs and stocks have been doing great for the last 3 administrations grain and cattle markets anemic. Chickens going overseas possibly is no more migrate workers to do the dirty work that was done in US processing plants.



Best economy ever! LOL
Posted By: jeff karsten

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 06:32 PM

What makes you think its going to be OUR chicken coming back??
Posted By: KeithC

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 06:44 PM

A lot of the chicken will likely be completely Chinese. It will only exist on paper in the US before it is sent here from China, because they can grow it there cheaper too.

Keith
Posted By: WhiteTrash 88

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 06:52 PM

Gonna have to leave a foot on em to sell em here so we can tell if it's a chicken or crow or eagle. 😂
Posted By: Foxpaw

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by WhiteTrash 88
Gonna have to leave a foot on em to sell em here so we can tell if it's a chicken or crow or eagle. 😂



Or buzzard or cat or dog or bat, rat on a stick, the options are endless , lol !
Posted By: bblwi

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/14/20 08:01 PM

Supposedly the trade deal is all done and ready to go but most of the details are not public and also none have been passed by the respective legislative houses in Mexico, Canada or China. There is currently a hefty tariff on some of our poultry products but yes the exporting of whole slaughtered chickens to China may improve the poultry markets over time. Leave it to the USA to not process here and add the value or jobs here. Sure it will cost more but I guess food safety and quality control come far down the line to low cost. Especially if the major market for much of the chicken is nuggets and other bits and pieces.

Bryce
Posted By: OntheOttawa

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/15/20 12:46 AM

All in the quest for greater profits, screw everyone else.

As far as China being a stalwart of public safety one only has to look at what is happening right now over there. Does anyone really believe their #'s in regards to how many are infected or died daily?? They needed a hospital so bad they built one in days, but the number of sick people at that time was not all that great, supposedly. Doctor who was the whistleblower, dead. Coverup bar none.

And don't forget you guys as their beloved Chairman said: CHINA FIRST
Posted By: BuckMink

Re: Chinese imports of meat: Did this get passed? - 02/15/20 01:56 AM

I believe jobs need to be here first but the other thing is, what person says hey I want to slaughter chickens for a job? Who do you think is gonna take that job? Not the current high school or college student! Its sad. Cant even get people into the trades.
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