End of the war in Afghanistan?

I'm hearing rumblings that we may have brokered a peace deal ending the war in Afghanistan?

Anybody else heard anything?

Mike

They been working on it with the Taliban. They should be trustworthy.

Taliban?LOL.

Well generally peace talks are held with the bunch you're fighting...

I'd put a clause in the agreement that any more terror attacks by person's trained in Afghanistan will render the agreement null and void and if so the US will come back and kill every living thing within the border... And then spread salt 6 inches deep over the landscape so nothing will ever live there again.

But that's just me.

Mike

If it were me I would put in a clause that a single opium poppy field shows up on a satellite image the whole country will be destroyed.

But thats just me.

They'll just grow em somewhere else Danny... Supply and demand. But I believe the Taliban had actually forbid the growing of them when they had control of most of the country. As soon as we moved in and put them on the run the Afghans went right back to growing them.

I guess the salt would put an end to that too. Lol

Mike

what about the war on drugs? is that over too? heroin sold over the counter in walgreens? we ought to have one or the other

It will be a deal like Nixon brokered in Viet Nam. The North Vietnamese really kept that deal, didn't they?

Jim

Get the heck out of there.

I don't think the Taliban leadership has enough control over its own people to broker a truly successful peace, but I do think things will improve in Afghanistan for the US. The Taliban wants total Islamification of Afghanistan. Unless they do what the US wants, in the short term, we will maintain a strong enough presence there that the Taliban will not get what they want.

Keith

I wonder why opium farming is tolerated

Money.

Keith

So after 20 years your finally admitting defeat?

It wont last. The Afganistan government isnt influential or strong enough to maintain any kind of real control and order.

In 5 years the Taliban will head the government through intimidation anf we'll be back at square one.

Americans never admit defeat... Ask any Southerner, they still don't know the Civil War is over.
ps. One can't lose a war if it isn't over.

"We" will be back at square one? Their problems are not my problems... If they wanna kill each other while racing camels and eating fried dirt, they can knock themselves out.

Now if they wanna make their problems my problems (again) we should use that clause I talked about above.

Mike

What would your "Vaunted" Canadian Military do if faced with the same
situation after a Canadian 9/11 event ?

Heck,

You hosers can't even keep a few Indians off the railroad tracks
while you're trying to build pipeline infrastructure through British Columbia.

Don't lecture us while you have Justin Trudeau running the show up there.

ROTFFALMFAO !!!!!

w

If the taliban takes over they will stop the opium again. The Afghans will spend all their time killing each other. Sounds good to me.

Nixon wouldn't have had to broker that deal if Kennedy & LBJ
hadn't gotten us into that quagmire in the 1st place.

If Barry Goldwater had been elected, He'd have nuked Hanoi,
there'd have been no Vietnam, and you would have had no
chance to badmouth the USA as much as you do now !

w

What BS. When have I ever bad-mouthed the US?

No, that one is beyond BS. It's a dammed lie.

Jim

If we pulled out of that rat hole completely (except for some clandestine - CIA presence) and directed all the resources elsewhere until needed
I think would be a good approach. Money spent on intelligence and precision strikes would be well spent. If there is a bit of collateral damage, so be it.
Those folks don't want a truce, never have - never will.

Zim

The Southerners call it the war of northern aggression.

Get out now don't look back , we had no valid reason for being there in the first place . that's my opinion !

We should do this first then broker peace. Any agreement with a Muslim entity be it a country or organization isn't worth the paper it's written on. The only way to ever have true peace with a any Islamic organization or government is to wipe them from the face of the earth.

When you badmouth the duly elected president,
by extension, you badmouth our country.

At the very least, you badmouth all republican presidents,
where in the case of the Vietnam War, you should
be laying the blame at the feet of Democrats
Kennedy & Johnson who got us into it
and then escalated.

All in my opinion, of course.

w

I just wish we would have Armageddon and get everything over with ……….

Garry-

“If you fail to learn from history you are doomed to repeat it.” Alexander the Great, Kublia Khan , the Soviet Union, and now the USA have gotten caught up in that hole called Afghanistan. Obama campaigned on ending that war, couldn’t do it and he was the Dems hero.Now Pre. trump wants to end it and the Dems want to stay, ??

Bring all troops home from the Middle East and put them on our southern border.

how dare you bad mouth our country

Or maybe worse, like the deal Obama made with Iran, when he shipped them piles of cash off the books.

I disagree. You can bad mouth a duly elected president. I see no correlation to bad mouthing the country. Obama was certainly an American hating scumbag that did his best to destroy the country in 8 long dark years. It doesn't mean I hate my country. It just means I think the President was an incompetent buffoon as well as the morons that voted for him. However, that's me. Since we are talking about James, who knows? He certainly has zero respect for much of anything in the way of decency, so him hating the country is not a stretch, if it is at all wrong. All liberals' know is hate and misery, just look at them. When they have no reason to hate, they make stuff up.

I have not read all the post, it will just be another Country that we have to rebuild or support or give add to for the rest of there lives. JMO

Peace deal with fanatics is a waste of time they have no honor.

Much more than that. almost all of the major wars have happened under or because of DemoRats. The exception would be the 1st and 2nd gulf wars. Other than that:
Civil war- DemoRats attack
WWI -Wilson
WWII- Roosevelt
Cold War- Roosevelt &Truman
Korea- Truman
Cuban missile Crisis (almost killed us all) - Kennedy
Vietnam- Kennedy- Johnson
Other than Gulf 1&2 the major mess in the middle east in these modern times can be attributed to Obama and Hillary for destabilizing Libya and Syria while shunning Israel.
DemoRats have no idea how to use diplomacy and there foreign policy has always been horrible.

Psych!!!

Don't forget to mention the British empire !!!

w

Yep to OP. I wonder what the blue will have to hate on this for. One can only imagine what hate they will have, and the end is what they wanted from the start. Negative and hate will follow from media on the red.

The reason was to kill or capture Bin Laden. Who knew it was going to take 20 years and cost so much?

Hmm not sure what we would do, we've never lost a war so hard to say.

I'm bugging you guys obviously. I dont think you ever should of had boots on the ground there. No american or Canadian lives were worth it.

Image if we put just a fraction of the money spent on this war towards schools, infrastructure, healthcare, etc. What a waste of time and life.

I offer as Exhibit: A....... Canada's sound whipping during the War of 1812
at the hands of the fledgling United States of America.

You've been hiding behind the skirt tails of Lady Liberty ever since then.

If It wasn't for the United States, you'd be speaking
either German or Russian.

w

Pullout we can always bomb them later.

Or cut taxes or reduce deficit.

I thought boco settled this one already? Anyway a quick google search claims the opposite.

oh really , could have done all that and more for a whole lot less in lost lives and money , don't ya think !

The only war the US ever won without help was Granada,lol.

Fixed it for you, BOCO

Canadians can't fight or win wars, and they can't spell either !!!!

w

and how bout that bacon they got.

Looks like ham to me.

Granada is a flippin' bird.........The granada dove.........not a war !!!

w

On October 7, 2001, a U.S.-led coalition begins attacks on Taliban-controlled Afghanistan with an intense bombing campaign by American and British forces. Logistical support was provided by other nations including France, Germany, Australia and Canada and, later, troops were provided by the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance rebels. The invasion of Afghanistan was the opening salvo in the United States “war on terrorism” and a response to the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, D.C.

Dubbed “Operation Enduring Freedom” in U.S. military parlance, the invasion of Afghanistan was intended to target terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaida organization, which was based in the country, as well as the extreme fundamentalist Taliban government that had ruled most of the country since 1996 and supported and protected al-Qaida. The Taliban, which had imposed its extremist version of Islam on the entire country, also perpetrated countless human rights abuses against its people, especially women, girls and ethnic Hazaras. During their rule, large numbers of Afghans lived in utter poverty, and as many as 4 million Afghans are thought to have suffered from starvation.

In the weeks prior to the invasion, both the United States and the U.N. Security Council had demanded that the Taliban turn over Osama bin Laden for prosecution. After deeming the Taliban’s counteroffers unsatisfactory—among them to try bin Laden in an Islamic court—the invasion began with an aerial bombardment of Taliban and al-Qaida installations in Kabul, Kandahar, Jalalabad, Konduz and Mazar-e-Sharif. Other coalition planes flew in airdrops of humanitarian supplies for Afghan civilians. The Taliban called the actions “an attack on Islam.” In a taped statement released to the Arabic al-Jazeera television network, Osama bin Laden called for a war against the entire non-Muslim world.

After the air campaign softened Taliban defenses, the coalition began a ground invasion, with Northern Alliance forces providing most of the troops and the U.S. and other nations giving air and ground support. On November 12, a little over a month after the military action began, Taliban officials and their forces retreated from the capital of Kabul. By early December, Kandahar, the last Taliban stronghold, had fallen and Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar went into hiding rather than surrender. Al-Qaida fighters continued to hide out in Afghanistan’s mountainous Tora Bora region, where they were engaged by anti-Taliban Afghan forces, backed by U.S. Special Forces troops. Al-Qaida soon initiated a truce, which is now believed to have been a ploy to allow Osama bin Laden and other key al-Qaida members time to escape into neighboring Pakistan. By mid-December, the bunker and cave complex used by al-Qaida at Tora Bora had been captured, but there was no sign of bin Laden.

I wonder how many terrorists will be let out of jail free?

Something is better than nothing. JMO

19 years of war, 2 Trillion dollars spent, 2,400 American service members killed and 20,000 wounded.

If this was a victory I don't think we can afford to win many more wars. I am glad its coming to an end.

We’ve been in there 19 years. Over 2300 dead, 20,000 wounded. Costs of over $800 billion. I’m not sure that you couldn’t spend another 20 years there and you would still would be facing the same stalemate. My son in law did two tours in Afghanistan, and didn’t see much light at the end of the tunnel.

I believe the country would soon revert back to their tribal ways when we pull out. It is an untamed land, and hard to conquer. Just ask the Russians.

When Nixon withdrew US forces from South Vietnam in 1973, few had little doubt that the NVA and Vietcong would overrun the ARVN in the south. In the spring of 1975, when the capitulation in the south was at hand, Congress had little interest in refighting a war that seemed to have no end. Trump said today that if things go south in the region, we’ll return with a vengeance. He would do well to follow what Gerald Ford did, and stay out of reentering the fray.



As the last helicopters left the US embassy roof, Tom Polgar, the CIA station chief in Saigon in April 1975 said in his last radio dispatch.....”Those who fail to learn from history are forced to repeat it. Let us hope that we will not have another Vietnam experience and that we have learned our lesson. Saigon signing off”.

It’s time to sign off from Afghanistan.

Bigbrownie your spot on we did not learn from Vietnam and as long as we have a finger in Afganistan it will not be over.