Is something going on???

Watching the news and I am just not getting it. If as a lot of people say this virus is not much worse than the flu for most people then what is going on? IT's being treated like the end times. Is it the media going crazy or is it a lot worse than we are being told and they are trying to keep a lid on it? Also whole countries on lock down? Like I said just something smells wrong.

I agree, it seems weird to me too. I think they should say how old the people are that are dying.

They made a big deal when the first Canadian died from it. In Vancouver, ( lots of Chinese there) and was 88 years old, living in a home care home, and had a ton of health issues.

I’m not too worried about it.

It is the American "Fake News" doing what they always do; lying, hyping and sensationalizing everything. I don't know what their goals are for certain but I've got a real good idea.

I heard that it is more dangerous to people over 80 or already in bad health.

You have to realize most media is owned and controlled by people of the left and with an agenda to push. Stop watching the news and just live your life.

I think the media is downplaying it big time.Once the truth is known panic will be rampant.
People fighting in stores now to get the last bottles of sanitizers left on the shelves.

There is a real push to make this seem like a huge deal. It's hurting the stock market - which will eventually hurt businesses - which will eventually create unemployment - which will make people poor - which will make people willing to depend on the government. As long as everyone is doing well, the party of freebies won't be needed. It's not a coincidence that Biden and Sanders have cancelled rallies, the governor of MA has declared a state of emergency and so has NJ. The governor of NY has sent the national guard to New Rochelle. Shelves are already empty in some NJ towns and the NJDOH has told everyone to go out and stockpile food - a crisis created. All coordinated and carefully planned.

I seen the press conference with Trump and Pence and all the healthcare workers standing behind them.The look on their faces said it all.Worse than glum.Every one.
Many thousands dead in China apparently but reporting suppressed by gov't.

The media did its job. The stock market was going too high and they used it to bring it down so big investors could buy in. Nevertheless the economy is strong.

Here’s the deal. The disease attack rate breaks down like this. 80% who get it will have no symptoms or mild symptoms. The remaining 20% will get a real BAD cold. Of that 20%, it looks like 3-4% will die from it. Okay, it doesn’t sound too bad unless you’re over 70. Then the numbers jump to 8% dying.

Still not tooooo bad. But, people who already have COPD, diabetes, heart disease, significant lung damage or diseases of many stripes are at risk for dying.

It started in Wuhan, China. Wuhan has 11,000,000 people and Chinese people are pretty free these days to travel the world. Everybody under the sun who had a cough, fever, etc clogged the emergency rooms. Those who didn’t have it certainly did after they were exposed as they were in those over-run emergency rooms.
The population of the US has a lot of people over 65 who are heading towards being in that 20%. If we did a demographic survey of Tman members, it would be surprising to see how many of us are 65. Gosh, l’m almost 70 and will be in that 20% if southern Minnesota gets hit hard.

So far, few people have gotten it. The latest studies, by disease researchers around the country suggest we probably have 10 - 20 times the reported number of cases, because they are asymptomatic. Covid-19 as it’s called, is here. Avoiding it is possible. But depending on how old you are and what sort of physical health you’re in, could be the difference between a no-cold, mild cold, being in a hospital for 2-weeks of quarantine, or dying.

Wuhan, China, is a HUGE city. It’s like New York or Chicago, or San Francisco. People are packed in pretty tightly and as such, when it gets a toe hold there, things could get tough for the hospital industry. Unlike China, with 100 cities of 1 million people each, the US is sparsely populated by comparison. Soooo, the bottom line is it can be a big deal if you’re older and have pre-existing conditions. And, if we treat this as a serious threat to health, we’ll come out of it okay. Take it seriously. Wash your hands often. Keep your hands away from your face as much as possible. If you get a cold, stay home.

Yeah

Been going on for about 3 years now. Commie Democratic party trying to take down Trump.

I'm worried about it. But i'm stocking up on limes so things should work out ok.

Glum, I would say they looked serious but I'm not a face reader like Boco is.

Over 80? Worry! If your under 80? Need to be more worried about flu!

That might be the dumbest post you ever made.

The cable news networks and just about every other news outlet have been hyping this bullcrap 24/7 for weeks now.

Downplaying it...LOL...do you watch much American TV?

Thats not the dumbest post you have made,but its right up there with the rest.

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Neal Katyal, who served as Acting Solicitor General under President Barack Obama, tweeted Monday that President Donald Trump should be removed from office under the 25th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

If your a part of that group you need to have your will written and your family should already know who gets what. Should have funeral arrangements made. May still be fairly healthy but that can change quick even without getting a flu

Rusia, collusion, abuse of power, impeach, virus, etc... Etc...


And they get bonus points if they can tank a few economies and kill a few old people.

Strange how it doesn't effect many people under 60.

If there was something going on, it's NOT coming out of Washington! Trump announced this weekend that "The Coronavirus is not a big deal.... 0ver 60,000 people died of the flu last year. How many have died this year from the Coronavirus?"

There are senators, that both Trump ant Pence had contact with, that are being tested for exposure to this new virus. This last week Pence said that they would be over 1,000,000 test kits available, but doctors are not sure where or who has them.

I'm sure that this thread will either not go anywhere or will be flooded with comments about the "cupcakes", Demorats, liberals, gun grabbers, etc and how this is just a big joke, and not a real threat. Make America Great Again was not about "let's roll the dice on this threat."

For the first two week after 911, this country was completely united and we couldn't do enough to help total strangers. Within a month after, division started with being either Red or Blue, Conservative or Democrat, right or left. It turned into anti Muslim, anti Jew, anti Democrat, anti immigrant. It never stopped and got worse as time progressed. Clinton, Obama........ They've been long out of office. Let's deal with today's issues before there won't be a tomorrow.

Many, many years ago I was on this site under a different name, (forgot the name), and resigned a little over a year ago. I couldn't believe the threads when I first signed in under my new screen name. The hate and angst that was exhibited here was unbelievable. People wishing that Ginberg die from her cancer... "I'm going to send here a carton of cigarettes" was one of the posts made here. Why would anyone want to wish another person dead, just because you didn't agree with them?

This is a great site..... Lots of intelligent users that have a lot of knowledge about things other than trapping.
The Fermenters site is excellent, along with Just Trapping, Fut Handling, Trap Collecting , THANK YOU MR. DOBBINS. I had personal contact with your dad for many years, when I was high profile in trapping. Many letters on his wonderful personal stationary with the pictures on the top of his letters. He was"cutting edge" at that time... Way ahead of the wannabes!

I love this site, but a lot of "wading through the muck" to get get to the good stuff. Maybe a separate site just for Political, Venting, Let's Start a Fight threads.

By the way, I loved the thread about the gentleman who apologized for negative comment he made about another member. I'm sure that I may have do that to Danny Clifton, and for that I'm sorry!

I'm 77 years young, and just looking for new info to help the young people that come to me for the stakes I make for them, fur boards I make for them, and proper pelt preparation.

Like my tag line states... "I'm an old dog and these are all new tricks". Maybe this is the New Age we live in? I really hope not!

Yes.
In respect to investments. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0r2X0FmZtg


The Most Important Coronavirus Question
By: Alex Berezow
The first person to die from coronavirus on American soil passed away on Feb. 29 at a Seattle area hospital – incidentally, the same hospital where my daughter was born just ten and a half months ago.
For epidemiologists, the most important unanswered question about the Wuhan coronavirus, or COVID-19, is the case-fatality rate. But for the general public, the question is much more personal: “Might I – or anyone I love – get sick and die?” When faced with uncertainty, people make decisions cautiously, and they base them on emotion and personal experience instead of statistics. If enough people answer “Yes,” there could be major repercussions as panic sets in around the world. Small behavioral modifications, such as telecommuting or reducing factory activity to avoid spreading the disease, made by millions of people can have a large impact. The United Nations already estimated $50 billion worth of exports worldwide will be affected, excluding non-trade economic activities such as travel tourism, as manufacturing slows and governments impose measures like port restrictions. This is why it is necessary to develop a “risk of death” profile for COVID-19.
The first substantial effort to do just that was published by the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention. Though these numbers should be thought of as preliminary (and perhaps specific to only China), they allow us to begin to comprehend the risk that our global society is facing. After analyzing 44,672 confirmed cases, Chinese health officials estimated the case-fatality rates by age group:

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Of the 416 children aged 0 to 9 who contracted COVID-19, precisely zero died. This is unusual for most infectious diseases, but not for coronaviruses; the SARS coronavirus outbreak also had minimal impact on children. For patients aged 10 to 39, the case-fatality rate is 0.2 percent. The case-fatality rate doubles for people in their 40s, then triples again for people in their 50s, and nearly triples yet again for people in their 60s. A person who contracts COVID-19 in their 70s has an 8 percent chance of dying, and a person in their 80s a nearly 15 percent chance of dying.
The virus can be lethal in a variety of ways. Viral infections in the lungs can trigger an immune response so strong that it fatally damages the lungs. In others, a systemic immune response, called a “cytokine storm,” can cause multiple organ failure. This could explain why some young, healthy people are killed by the virus, such as Dr. Li Wenliang, the 34-year-old doctor who died shortly after alerting the world to this new strain of coronavirus. An older person’s immune system may not be able to fight a respiratory virus. Underlying conditions such as high blood pressure or diabetes can worsen outcomes.
The above statistics are no doubt frightening numbers. But there are at least three major mitigating factors. First, the number of mild or asymptomatic cases is unknown and probably substantial. Second, China is still a poor country with low-quality health care and, at the epicenter of the outbreak in Hubei province, was overwhelmed by the virus. (The case-fatality rate in Chinese provinces outside Hubei, where hospitals aren’t overloaded, is much lower.) Third, smoking is much more prevalent in China than America, especially among men (52 percent in China versus 16 percent in the U.S.), and smoking is a risk factor for poor responses to respiratory infections. Together, this means the case-fatality rate is likely inflated, and it would be a mistake to apply these figures to the United States or other advanced nations.
The real question, then, is how inflated the case-fatality rates are. At this point, it’s impossible to determine because scientists are still collecting data on how widespread the virus is. But to get a sense of how exaggerated these numbers might be, it is useful to examine the case-fatality rate for seasonal influenza. For the 2018-19 influenza season, the U.S. Center for Disease Control and Prevention provides estimates for the number of cases (defined here as “symptomatic illnesses”) and deaths. From these, we can derive case-fatality rate estimates by age group.

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If COVID-19 ends up being similar to seasonal influenza, then the case-fatality rates for COVID-19 are inflated by a factor of 20 to 100. Dr. Anthony Fauci, head of the U.S. NIAID, co-authored an editorial for the New England Journal of Medicine in which he wrote:
“If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively [emphasis added].”
We have reason to believe this view is closest to reality. In South Korea, public health officials screened about 100,000 people and detected over 7,300 cases. So far, the death toll is 50, which translates to a case-fatality rate of 0.7 percent. That’s still seven times worse than seasonal flu, but it’s far lower than the initial reports from China.

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The Future of COVID-19
Stat News describes two possible scenarios that epidemiologists envision for the future of COVID-19. In the first, COVID-19 becomes just another cold virus, and possibly evolves to become less lethal as well. What we call the “common cold” is actually caused by roughly 200 different viruses. Each year, about 25 percent of common colds are due to four coronaviruses, and some scientists think COVID-19 could eventually join this group as its fifth member. In the second scenario, COVID-19 behaves more like a severe seasonal flu, vanishing in the summer and returning to hit us hard in the winter.
In neither scenario does COVID-19 resemble the Spanish flu of 1918, which disproportionately killed young people. In neither scenario does the virus mutate to become more lethal. Most likely, the opposite will be true. There is an inverse relationship between lethality and contagiousness; that is, the most contagious viruses tend to be less lethal. Evolutionary pressures – namely, the biological imperative to reproduce as far and wide as possible (which means not killing people) – may push COVID-19 down this path.
For now, influenza remains the far bigger global public health threat. Each year, about 1 billion people become infected with seasonal flu, killing some 300,000 to 500,000. This season alone (2019-20), about 20,000 Americans have died from flu, including 136 children. Yet, very few people fear the flu. Society has accepted it as part of reality, and people carry about their daily lives without excessive concern over influenza. This is the likely future for COVID-19.
Until then, perhaps the last word should be given to virologist Dr. Lisa Gralinski, who told The Scientist, “If you’re over fifty or sixty and you have some other health issues and if you’re unlucky enough to be exposed to this virus, it could be very bad.” While everyone else should remain vigilant and take proper precautions (e.g., washing hands and avoiding crowds) until more data comes in, from a scientific perspective the public alarm is disproportionate to the risk.




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Universal precautions are your best and foremost defense. I agree with teacher on his post. Way over hyped by media. All experts have an opinion on predictions. Can't get a straight death count nor a accurate diagnosis or pending. If you feel sick stay home. If you have a fever stay home call your doctor office. If you plan on visiting people wash your hands periodically thru out your visit. Cover a sneeze or a cough. Soon spring will be here. Virus will break apart. The house will be back to impeaching Trump.

The data says younger people get it but older people, or those with significant pre existing conditions get it more often and with stronger illnesses. Kids, so far, are not getting hit as much as everyone else. But the belief is their numbers will change as more data is available.

I'm pretty sure it's over hyped. My only concerns are my 58 year old mother that just had a double mastectomy, radiation, and is on her 5th round of chemotherapy. My stepmother also has a compromised immune system since her liver transplant and my wifes grand mother's are frail.

I just saw a picture of a note left on my friend's Dr. Office door. It pointed out that every 4 years there is a the sky is falling pandemic. Had stats that showed how insignificant it is. Also listed the dates and corresponding illness listed. Ever one an election year

Its another political scam by the American communist party. There were now what 30 death all together in the US since January and I am picking a high number here. In that same timeframe a few thousand snuffed it wit the flu. But the flu is considered normal so its OK fr a bunch of people to die of it year after year. But the Corona virus .... now that one they can try and pin on Trump somehow and blame him fr every death by it. Then try and shut the country down for the most part and put the blame on guess who ?? Everything in the attempt to get that corrupt senile old codger into the oval office. This is going to be their last hoorah. They don't give a hoot about the anguish their actions cause and the more death the better.

Bingo Providence Farm...major catastrophe ever election year... vote for me, I'll save the world...

Don't be so modest, you know as well as I what their goals are. I just saw a poll asking whether the voters trusted Biden over Bernie to handle the outbreak. Their natural segue is to then ask if they trust Biden more than Trump. The media is something worse than despicable.

Hey Muskrat,what a great post.The division and hate of others is unbelievable. And to think that the rhetoric spreaders act so righteous .They get this line of thought from their church leaders , news outlets and politicians along with ignorant persons. This person is different, so they must be bad!What happened to love thy neighbor? Did Jesus not treat the oppressed with compassion? What happened to lending a helping hand.This is a great fourm but some want to spread their hate(fear) and use the forum as a sounding board for spreading crud.It is the Trapperman fourm not the spread hate and dissension forum.
Lets get back to civility.

Excellent post. Thank you

I agree. I'm pretty sure that Jesus guy wouldn't exactly be high-fiving people for their comments on this site. It also says no politics at the top of the page, yet look at all the political posts. It really confuses me on what is allowed to stay on the screen.

If someone ever wanted to try and dig up evidence to support the stereotype that outdoorsman are far right, I guess they can just pull up old Tman.

I haven't moved any further right than I am now for years. The left has gotten a LOT farther away from me though!

When you're fighting for the soul of the country, hurt feelings just don't rank that high.

Locked down....like cattle to a corral. Either serious or a test run.....

Check out what Acosta is asking and focused on!

All you need to know!

Y’all think this hype is bad, you should watch our local weather forecasters whenever thunderstorms are rolling in, life as we know it is ending, every single time. Guess eventually something really bad will happen and they can say we told you so.

Solid post

I think the Chinese government started it to stem the uprising in Hong Kong.

Amazing how all those people disappeared!

Nothing changed there,China just shut down reporting.

What is wrong with people when a kid runs into the street and the mother spanks him, she must be a bad mother? If she hurts his feelings he could be ruined for life.
What is wrong with parents when they won't let their 13 year old daughter go on a date with a 17 year old that has it all including a nice car? Telling her no could hurt her feelings , but Dad all my friends are doing it.
Why doesn't it seem to hurt when we lose something only a little at a time. If they move the land mark only a foot at a time how long does it take to notice I used to have 50 feet beside my house and now I only have 10. My neighbor used to have 50 but now has 90 ft. I'll not say anything, I don't want to hurt his feelings.
Many states used to have trapping but that's gone by the way side due to the interest of those who know little except of city life. To wear leather shoes or fur on my collar might hurt their feeling.
Their suburb friends may have seen guns on tv hurting people and that's bad and since the gun is the cause it needs to stop, but I'll not say anything it might hurt their feeling.

Some times we learn its better to fight to keep something than to fight to get it back.

Emily Dickinson wrote a poem "After great pain, a formal feeling comes". It explains that after great pain comes a numbness, one analysis is that emotional and psychological state, sort of match the physical effects of hypothermia: first you feel cold, then helpless, and then you slip away into death, losing consciousness. Surely any observer can see we are cold and not necessarily helpless but certainly have our hands bound, its goes against every grain in my body to just wait til I slip into oblivion and never voice even a peep.

And as far as just what would Jesus do. Even thou its been centuries since he felt the pain yet its only as yesterday. Surely he didn't intend it for a license to demoralize ever good thing he has made. I just wonder if it hurts the goats feelings when they are on the left and the sheep are on the right?

Won't be but a couple of more days before CNN starts referring to it as the "Katrina Virus".

^^^^ this! I avoid the news as much as possible. Just lovin and enjoyin my life in the country. No drama needed. Lol

COVID-19 spreads much faster than the flu.
While 60,000 people died from the flu last year, that's still a low percentage of people diagnosed with it.
The death percentage for the flu runs around .2%-.5%.
The death rate for COVID-19 is right around 1% for those diagnosed.
Remember those numbers are for all strains of the flu, and for only 1 strain of the coronavirus.

Old people and immuno-compromised people are at a greater risk of dieing from it.

The corona virus has been around for years. It is this strain that seems to be really nasty for some reason.

I have a feeling we're going to see the death rate ramp up if it takes hold here in the U.S.

Covid 19 is from snakes-first time they have seen a reptile virus cross over.In the past flu from other mammals and birds was the origin.(warm blooded)
6% death rate in Italy from covid as of this morning and climbing as it takes hold in that country.

You sound scared Boco.

Been a horror for months now the last I heard about 20 dead so is it what they are saying it is or not?

I think the commie Dems pulled trigger to soon on this crisis as well! It will burn out before July and they will look like a bunch of idiots like normal

As I understand it........the kung flu gets in the bloodstream and pretends it is a bcaa. Older people and people that are sick may need more bcaa's than they have in their bloodstream. So this virus poses as a bcaa and a healthy, younger person's cells say...no thanks, but an older persons cells may be folded by the need for bcaa's. Once it is in a cell it is safer from the immune system which is mostly in the bloodstream.

Hope I understand that well enough to explain it, came across this info earlier today. So if you feel your in an at risk group get some bcaa supplements and take them.....humapro is a very good complete bcaa supplement.

I will see if I can find anymore info on this.

What is a bcaa?

branch chain amino acid

I'll pass,sounds wonky.

So, here is that info as I saw it.

Eggs have a lot of protein,i wonder if that would work too.I eat a lot of eggs and meat.
Might be hard on the vegans.

I got essential amino acids and bcaa's mixed up in my explanation. I hope the actual info clears that up. Humapro is an essential amino acid supp.

Essential amino acids, are not produced by your body. There are 9 essential amino acids, and often termed as indispensable. As a first step, you will need a protein-rich diet to feed your body, with essential amino acids on a daily basis. For example, vegetarians, or vegans, will necessarily need to consume a protein-rich dietary source, like lentils, legumes, vegetables, or grains, every day. Non-vegetarians have wider options, like eggs, meat, or fish, to consume every day.

They can’t impeach trump and they know they can’t win an election the way the economy was going. Make a big deal about something small and scare everyone into a frenzy.

I’m way into body building (I know, totally not a trapper thing to do) I take branch chain amino acids every day to help with muscle recovery. I guess I’m good!

It is actually essential amino acids not bcaa'.

99 percent of the people are good. If your old and weak, ya better worry.

That says it all!! Unbelievable

the 3 BCAAs and included in the 9 EAA.

I had in interesting talk with my doctor today. He has been perplexed as to why all the hype over washing hands and such to prevent spread and the total ignorance of making sure your immune system is strong by taking immune boosters, vitamins b, c, and d, as well as zinc. Before I went to China in December, I started taking immune boosters for this very reason. I bought a months supply for $22 last week at the local pharmacy.

Coronavirus has proved that entire world can be easily manipulated through fear by simply controlling media and academia.

If you lived in northern Italy you'd think differently

I figured we would get better information on what the virus was capable of out of Italy than we did out of China. The real numbers coming out of Italy dont look good. It looks like it is really is overwhelming there medical system. Will it kill millions probably not but the results of it looks like it will cause more problems than we may realize. You start shutting down a country and the medical system for weeks or months serious ramifications will follow.

I don't think I would. The first thing I'd be asking is what the regular flu numbers were last flu season in Italy and I'd be comparing those to the currant corona hype. I doubt I'd be rushing to the store to hoard toilet paper.

You wouldn't have to ask, all you'd need to do is go to the local hospitals and look around.

Personally I'm not overly concerned about the virus, what will happen will happen.

But take northern Italy for example, the hospitals are inundated. Respirators are becoming in short supply, hospital beds in many areas are filled. They are even discussions about who to give preferential treatment to.

Now say you have a heart attack or in a car accident in that region. I've read reports that ambulance times have gone from 8 minutes average to an hour things start to get real.

Thankfully we have the best health care system in the world here and if it hits the fan hopefully having more hospital beds and essential equipment should make a difference.

It looks like the way to control this is travel bans between regions and quarantine of people and cities. That is what China did. If that happens here you'd be glad you went out and bought a pack of TP. I'm going to get some tomorrow if I can, not to hoard but because we are almost out lol.

The wolves only kill the old and weak deer too.

YEA RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im sure the white house will be telling us today to just take vitamins.

It's a fact........average age that this has killed is 80. Look it up.

Since I'm headed south in a few days, I looked up the risk. If I get infected in my age group 1.3% death rate. For no medical conditions the death rate is 0.9%. I think I can multiply these two to get the risk 0.01% of death if I get infected.

Pretty sure everything else I am going to do is just as risky if not more.

Dirt, you also have to figure in that they are only testing people they are sure have it. IE, older people who are sick with it.

Now, if younger people were to get tested, we'd find way more have it and are not even showing signs.


Bottom line is, of older people who get it, the mortality is xxx, not xxx of people of all age groups

Safe travels!

Be sure to wash your hands ! Lots of people ain't been washing their hands, esp. those old people in the nursing homes.

Where I'm headed, the old people better hope I don't catch it on the way.

Here's an example of twisted percentages..

AARP put out a medical paper in Oct. Of 2018 with stats for the previous flu season. Of deaths with influenza as a cause of death, 80 percent were over the age of 65.
When you mixed in the hundreds of thousands of people, healthy middle aged people who get the flu that don't die the death rate drops dramatically.

If symptoms and testing for coronavirus covered all age groups as it does for the regular flu, the percentages would be alot lower, which with limited testing it doesn't.

Im either climbing trees everyday or I'm 65ft up in my bucket truck swinging a chainsaw around, I'm pretty sure I'm at higher risk of death doing my job than I am catching coronavirus. I've never been one to live in fear of dying, I hope to live a long healthy life and watch my kids grow up and hopefully grandchildren. But I see no reason to freak out over stuff like this, if it's my time then I'll meet my maker

My wife is turning into her mother, based on my calculations we have 3 months of TP on hand. lol

Well, it looks like you boys on Trapper Talk got this conundrum all figured out. I read all the precautions and remedies that you have laid out, but am afraid that because of my age, I'm basically S.O.L.!

I didn't realize that "Make America Great Again" didn't include people over 60. I guess we're just a big herd of elk, with their teeth worn down..... "They won't last the winter"!

I remember as a youth, classmates on crutches with legs incased in steel braces, because of polio. In the '50's Salk found a serum that eradicated the disease. TB and measles were basically non existent until some independent thinking moms decided not to vaccinate their children because of a possible fear of autism. I taught school for 44 years and have seen how kids have changed and how many more are on "prescribed medication" to alter their behavior.

Let's leave politics out of this POSSIBLE health situation. Let's try to Make America Sane Again.

Muskrat Love

My wife went to Walmart in Abingdon Va today and the TP shelves were empty, but a local grocery store had plenty. Based on what is happening I think everyone should expect to get the virus eventually and make plans accordingly. That doesn't mean panic, but take your time and get prepared before it becomes prevalent in your area. Because we live in the country and can avoid contact with others to a large degree we may slip through, but there is no guarantee. My DIL is due in 5 weeks and lives in Durham NC. We will of course travel there, visit her in the hospital, and then have a good chance of coming home infected.

What people are trying to say is, this is no more deadly than the regular flu for your age group.

They said prepare for this virus so being as I'm 69 I bought a new shovel. Hope it rains ground is kind of hard. Still got to figure out how to cover myself up?

I had 4 guys at the house on Monday taking down 3 trees. The owner was scrambling up and down the trees like a monkey, in among live power lines. Took down the trees from the top down. Made it look easy.

I spent 37 years underground in the mines....not even close to the hazards these guys face everyday.

Yea bigbrownie it's a very dangerous job but after 20 years of climbing daily I feel about as safe in a tree as I do on the ground. Now underground mining would scare the crap out of me. I'm claustrophobic. Lol

Yeah, well when you tie yourself to tree and cut some of it down and its full of bees, I bet you don't say well if its my time or what ever will be will be. I bet your first priority is to get untied from that tree, lol.

Very true Foxpaw, I've had it happen twice. Repelled down once right into a hornets nest, I was moving like speedy Gonzalez trying to get untied. Finally did but got 38 stings before I could