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Posted By: Yes sir

Trump and the virus - 03/13/20 10:45 PM

Here's my thoughts. Trump's smart and usually a couple of steps ahead of everyone else. He knows putting a travel ban on European countries and saying what he has will and did further cause the panic to rise. I'm sure he realizes more panic will cause more issues in the financial markets which wont help him in his reelection. So I'm assuming he thinks the consequences of not doing what he did were worse than the consequences of what he did. So what does he know that we don't? Am I missing something, what's your thoughts on his actions? My post isnt meant to be political just trying to get more of a grasp of what is going on in this situation. The president isn't against calling the media out on false propaganda but he's not saying very much about this situation being completely bogus. The president doesnt seem to be much on over reacting.
Posted By: Boco

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/13/20 10:47 PM

Trump asked his generals why cant they just bomb that pesky virus with a drone.
Posted By: Yes sir

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/13/20 10:49 PM

Could the virus only be part of something bigger going on or maybe triggered something else that might put us in danger. This whole thing including the President's actions seem confusing.
Posted By: Catch22

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/13/20 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by Yes sir
Here's my thoughts. Trump's smart and usually a couple of steps ahead of everyone else. He knows putting a travel ban on European countries and saying what he has will and did further cause the panic to rise. I'm sure he realizes more panic will cause more issues in the financial markets which wont help him in his reelection. So I'm assuming he thinks the consequences of not doing what he did were worse than the consequences of what he did. So what does he know that we don't? Am I missing something, what's your thoughts on his actions? My post isnt meant to be political just trying to get more of a grasp of what is going on in this situation. The president isn't against calling the media out on false propaganda but he's not saying very much about this situation being completely bogus. The president doesnt seem to be much on over reacting.

Saying your post aren't political is in line to we are all blind and stupid. Tell me, what are you after, what do you wish to gain from this ridiculous post?
Posted By: Bogmaster

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/13/20 10:54 PM

I think it time to realize, this thing is worse than we originally thought.The president is trying to save lives.
I knew I should have bought more toilet paper last night.
Tom
Posted By: walleye101

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/13/20 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Yes sir
Here's my thoughts. Trump's smart and usually a couple of steps ahead of everyone else. He knows putting a travel ban on European countries and saying what he has will and did further cause the panic to rise. I'm sure he realizes more panic will cause more issues in the financial markets which wont help him in his reelection. So I'm assuming he thinks the consequences of not doing what he did were worse than the consequences of what he did. So what does he know that we don't? Am I missing something, what's your thoughts on his actions? My post isnt meant to be political just trying to get more of a grasp of what is going on in this situation. The president isn't against calling the media out on false propaganda but he's not saying very much about this situation being completely bogus. The president doesnt seem to be much on over reacting.


Maybe not everything done and said has to be about getting reelected. He's doing his job.
Posted By: Yes sir

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/13/20 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by Catch22
Originally Posted by Yes sir
Here's my thoughts. Trump's smart and usually a couple of steps ahead of everyone else. He knows putting a travel ban on European countries and saying what he has will and did further cause the panic to rise. I'm sure he realizes more panic will cause more issues in the financial markets which wont help him in his reelection. So I'm assuming he thinks the consequences of not doing what he did were worse than the consequences of what he did. So what does he know that we don't? Am I missing something, what's your thoughts on his actions? My post isnt meant to be political just trying to get more of a grasp of what is going on in this situation. The president isn't against calling the media out on false propaganda but he's not saying very much about this situation being completely bogus. The president doesnt seem to be much on over reacting.

Saying your post aren't political is in line to we are all blind and stupid. Tell me, what are you after, what do you wish to gain from this ridiculous post?

You've missed the boat here catch. I'm trying to understand what is going on here. I'm trust Trump , voted for him and will again. Just seems to me there has to be a bigger threat than what I'm understanding for the president(that I trust and believe in)to make what I believe is such a serious move considering what the consequences are. I apologize if you find it ridiculous. I'm truly just trying to grasp what going on.
Posted By: Foxpaw

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/13/20 11:09 PM

Maybe old lives matter. I am thinking there may have been many already died and it was called flu, if once the testing starts and the numbers go sky high it may be its been here awhile.
The President is just working with the hand he has been dealt.
Honestly I don't know, I keep hoping we all will wake up and it will be a new day, but I ain't bettin on it.
Posted By: il.trapper

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/13/20 11:09 PM

I seen a few minutes ago the Stock market made a late jump. I am guessing after the SOE was announced. So, he may be even smarter than a lot of folks think.
Posted By: 330-Trapper

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/13/20 11:11 PM

The bigger threat IS the Virus...!
Posted By: walleye101

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/13/20 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by il.trapper
I seen a few minutes ago the Stock market made a late jump. I am guessing after the SOE was announced. So, he may be even smarter than a lot of folks think.


No coincidence since it started going up during the press conference. Business people reacted well to the fact that he was bringing in the private sector to help with this. And, just the opposite of what the Libs wanted to hear because those BIG businesses are supposed to be the bad guys that they want to bring down.
Posted By: Yes sir

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/13/20 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by walleye101
Originally Posted by Yes sir
Here's my thoughts. Trump's smart and usually a couple of steps ahead of everyone else. He knows putting a travel ban on European countries and saying what he has will and did further cause the panic to rise. I'm sure he realizes more panic will cause more issues in the financial markets which wont help him in his reelection. So I'm assuming he thinks the consequences of not doing what he did were worse than the consequences of what he did. So what does he know that we don't? Am I missing something, what's your thoughts on his actions? My post isnt meant to be political just trying to get more of a grasp of what is going on in this situation. The president isn't against calling the media out on false propaganda but he's not saying very much about this situation being completely bogus. The president doesnt seem to be much on over reacting.


Maybe not everything done and said has to be about getting reelected. He's doing his job.

I get that my, point about reelection is that I dont believe there is political reasoning for the steps he took.
Posted By: walleye101

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/13/20 11:21 PM

And my point is that there doesn't have to be.
Posted By: Yes sir

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/13/20 11:30 PM

I think we are on the same page Walleye. I'm either coming across wrong or everyone one is pretty touchy about this topic so I'll just check out on it. I'm a little behind, I didnt even know the President had a press conference today until this thread. I'll watch it myself and maybe it will clear somethings up for me.
Posted By: Yes sir

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/13/20 11:41 PM

I think we are on the same page Walleye. I'm either coming across wrong or everyone one is pretty touchy about this topic so I'll just check out on it. I'm a little behind, I didnt even know the President had a press conference today until this thread. I'll watch it myself and maybe it will clear somethings up for me.
Posted By: Marty

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/13/20 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by Yes sir
Here's my thoughts. Trump's smart and usually a couple of steps ahead of everyone else. He knows putting a travel ban on European countries and saying what he has will and did further cause the panic to rise. I'm sure he realizes more panic will cause more issues in the financial markets which wont help him in his reelection. So I'm assuming he thinks the consequences of not doing what he did were worse than the consequences of what he did. So what does he know that we don't? Am I missing something, what's your thoughts on his actions? My post isnt meant to be political just trying to get more of a grasp of what is going on in this situation. The president isn't against calling the media out on false propaganda but he's not saying very much about this situation being completely bogus. The president doesnt seem to be much on over reacting.


He realizes that the perception of the government not doing enough to save people is much worse than what is going to happen from what they are doing. 5000 people dead globally from kung flu and people here in the USA are loosing it, that is sad.
Posted By: bblwi

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/13/20 11:55 PM

You are trying to figure out what is going on in the mind of a narcissistic sociopath when you get that all figured out let us know.

Bryce
Posted By: Getting There

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/13/20 11:59 PM

I would guess if someone made a political statement post it would be deleted. That is why the comment was made, just my guess.
Posted By: cfowler

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/14/20 12:00 AM

Yes sir, I think I see where you're coming from. "Something" seems a little off. I think during any time of uncertainty, people look to their leader for direction. Or, at least to see what direction they may be heading as a country, and hopefully, there's an explanation that makes sense.

Many believe as our president first stated that, it is nothing more than a flu. Why then the take steps to treat it any differently. Why give-in to the panic, why risk creating further panic, why?

A possible scenario I explored...The virus started in China. So did the panic. It created an over-load on medical services, and required drastic draconian measures. Foreigners fled. Citizens fled. The virus and the panic spread. There is some anecdotal evidence that the spread was intentional in some areas of S. Korea, by it's own citizens. A new element of fear enters and panic levels rise. Quarantines, though mostly self-monitored, are implemented, but restrictions arise and borders close. We enter 2020 in an economic war. Our opponent in that war reveals it's might though our dependence on them. Though they may suffer with less, we will suffer with none. And there you have the true effect of the virus, it's psychological, biological warfare. IMO, Trump is calling their bluff. Cutting them off at the knees.
Posted By: Actor

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/14/20 12:01 AM

It is my humble opinion, the President is trying to get in the game ahead of any real threat that can bring down the country, and economy. By declaring a State of Emergency before the SHTF, is a very smart move. He is putting in place the means to activate all of the resources available, if and when they are needed. Some past Presidents have waited 6 months or more then they react to the problem, this one isn't, he is being preemptive.

When a hurricane is going to hit Florida or some other state, their governors act days or weeks ahead of time, so there will be no delays in providing immediate assistance. Why should the President act any different?

To me this is a very smart move... if action isn't required, then so be it. If it is required, he has the bull by the horns.

Garry-
Posted By: star flakes

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/14/20 12:16 AM

If you listened to the press conference and have been reading the science, the fact is there is a peak rate coming to the United States. The early travel ban blunted that, but it is still coming. The experts stated today that China and Korea mirrored each other in peak rates. That should transfer to the United States. What the President did today was in the emergency was free up all the stored resources which FEMA and the Pentagon have for the public. There tons of this stuff stored around the country for everything from nuclear, biological, earthquakes, meteor strikes and pandemics.
States like North and South Dakota declared today as it allows coordination and again accessing those resources for the public.

This virus is not even begun yet. It was blunted, where it was not contained in Iran and Italy, where people died as they did not have enough respirators. For 3 weeks Mike Pence has headed a team, which was revealed today, coordinating with numerous industries to keep things like hand sanitizer to toilet paper in the supply chain.

The Governors will pay the crucial role in this. Surprisingly California's Governor is doing a good job. Georgia, Ohio, the Dakotas, New York in it's crackdown are all managing the clusters.

What was crucial in this, is the testing kits, in they were developed to be drive through, a nasal swab, it goes to a machine which tests RNA and 24 hours the results are back. It is not the results, but the importance is in tracking the infection lines. That is how this will be shut down.

The President is going to be blamed, but it is all our responsibility to have common sense. Stop doing things that expose us in unnecessary trips. Washing hands and using disinfectants. Stop touching your face and touching everything in public. If people would show some restraint, the numbers on this would drop quickly. It only takes one idiot though who has to drive 100 miles to go shopping when that can wait.

Just remember the President and his team have been preparing for 3 weeks. The peak is coming yet to the United States. What he is attempting to do with the experts is not make this a 7 week peak of infections. Remember that 7 weeks as that is what this all about on the data collected in China and Korea.
Posted By: maintenanceguy

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/14/20 12:23 AM

A couple of possibilities:
(1) He's really trying to do the right thing. This tactic has seemed to work for him when everyone else in DC works hard to look like they're doing the right thing, Trump seems to always out maneuver them by just doing the right thing.
(2) He's trying to get elected and knows a crashed stock market and the repercussions of that will hurt his election. Remember "it's the economy stupid"? The election is 7 months away. The stock market was due for a correction but, if he can push stocks far below their value now - the economy recovers and that upward momentum gets prices at a peak again right before the election. He then gets to claim that he saved the economy with his quick action on that dangerous virus and saved us from the virus - that just went away on it's own because it was never a big deal to begin with.
Posted By: GROUSEWIT

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/14/20 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by maintenanceguy
A couple of possibilities:
(1) He's really trying to do the right thing. This tactic has seemed to work for him when everyone else in DC works hard to look like they're doing the right thing, Trump seems to always out maneuver them by just doing the right thing.
(2) He's trying to get elected and knows a crashed stock market and the repercussions of that will hurt his election. Remember "it's the economy stupid"? The election is 7 months away. The stock market was due for a correction but, if he can push stocks far below their value now - the economy recovers and that upward momentum gets prices at a peak again right before the election. He then gets to claim that he saved the economy with his quick action on that dangerous virus and saved us from the virus - that just went away on it's own because it was never a big deal to begin with.



X2 both
Posted By: mnsota

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/14/20 12:34 AM

You are trying to figure out what is going on in the mind of a narcissistic sociopath when you get that all figured out let us know.

I firmly believe our President is doing his best to insure the best outcome for our country.
Posted By: Catch22

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/14/20 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by bblwi
You are trying to figure out what is going on in the mind of a narcissistic sociopath when you get that all figured out let us know.

Bryce

Blah
Posted By: Lugnut

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/14/20 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by Marty
Originally Posted by Yes sir
Here's my thoughts. Trump's smart and usually a couple of steps ahead of everyone else. He knows putting a travel ban on European countries and saying what he has will and did further cause the panic to rise. I'm sure he realizes more panic will cause more issues in the financial markets which wont help him in his reelection. So I'm assuming he thinks the consequences of not doing what he did were worse than the consequences of what he did. So what does he know that we don't? Am I missing something, what's your thoughts on his actions? My post isnt meant to be political just trying to get more of a grasp of what is going on in this situation. The president isn't against calling the media out on false propaganda but he's not saying very much about this situation being completely bogus. The president doesnt seem to be much on over reacting.


He realizes that the perception of the government not doing enough to save people is much worse than what is going to happen from what they are doing. 5000 people dead globally from kung flu and people here in the USA are loosing it, that is sad.


I believe you are exactly right on point one and I completely agree with point two.
Posted By: walleye101

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/14/20 01:17 AM

I think he intended and accomplished two things today
1) Provided some reassurance that preparations are being made to address and contain this. Seemed to work based on the market surge.
2) Stick it to the Democrats by surrounding himself with the private sector who are stepping up to assist with this. Gotta say it was a stark contrast to the Dems when they address the public surrounded by a bunch of career bureaucrats.
Posted By: Andy27

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/14/20 01:22 AM

Though it was all a hoax? Now today he said it’s not. So now it’s serious. Whatever trump says is right that’s for sure.
Posted By: Catch22

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/14/20 01:26 AM

Originally Posted by Andy27
Though it was all a hoax? Now today he said it’s not. So now it’s serious. Whatever trump says is right that’s for sure.

Oh angry andy lol.
Posted By: cattails

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/14/20 01:36 AM

I've had the same feeling about this, until today . I'm going with walleye 101 on point #2. The dems jumped on this thing like a crotch rocket...What a perfect time to push for universal health care, right before the election. Trump says ahhh not so fast, calls it a national emergency, turns loose the private sector. It's a hyped up power struggle.
Posted By: brianmall

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/14/20 01:41 AM

Originally Posted by walleye101
I think he intended and accomplished two things today
1) Provided some reassurance that preparations are being made to address and contain this. Seemed to work based on the market surge.
2) Stick it to the Democrats by surrounding himself with the private sector who are stepping up to assist with this. Gotta say it was a stark contrast to the Dems when they address the public surrounded by a bunch of career bureaucrats.



Lol

And just waived interest on fed student loan?
Posted By: wr otis

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/14/20 01:50 AM

He knows the virus is a seasonal and possibly temporary problem.

He also knows panic and global recession is the bigger danger.

He cares more about this country and it's people than most people want to give him credit for.
Posted By: bblwi

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/14/20 02:02 AM

Leaving infected persons off shore in cruise ships so their numbers are not counted in the total of infected persons in the USA was a trigger to me that his responses were to keep numbers lower and that resulted in sick persons not being brought to places where they could be treated with better care. We have several state executives that are working very well on behalf of their citizens which is what is needed when we have voids in leadership as we do now at the federal level. Trying to solve a medical crisis with politics and tax breaks and tax delays indicates to me a real lack of understanding what is really needed by 330 million citizens in this country. We could have had that same leadership void with other leaders or parties but this is what we have now good, bad and or ugly.

Bryce
Posted By: walleye101

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/14/20 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by brianmall
Originally Posted by walleye101
I think he intended and accomplished two things today
1) Provided some reassurance that preparations are being made to address and contain this. Seemed to work based on the market surge.
2) Stick it to the Democrats by surrounding himself with the private sector who are stepping up to assist with this. Gotta say it was a stark contrast to the Dems when they address the public surrounded by a bunch of career bureaucrats.



Lol

And just waived interest on fed student loan?


Sure, tossed them a temporary bone.
Posted By: Dr. Fur

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/14/20 02:35 AM

Originally Posted by wr otis
He knows the virus is a seasonal and possibly temporary problem.

He also knows panic and global recession is the bigger danger.

He cares more about this country and it's people than most people want to give him credit for.



There is no evidence that the virus is seasonal or not seasonal.

The point is that we will have family and friends who die from this.

We should quit making fun of people taking it seriously.

If you want a government official who is telling the truth, look at Dr. Anthony Fauci. He is the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease. I think he was appointed by Reagan or Bush. Honestly, Trump missed the boat from a true factual standpoint. He is trying to play catch-up. All reports said he didn't listen to the experts, he got mad at the TV coverage and wasted 3 weeks. Oh well, that is water under the bridge.
Posted By: danvee

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/14/20 03:15 AM

My opinion he decided he does not know everything and listened to good science his advisers and calmed things for the time being and what was done is getting ahead of the curve. As far as the stock market temporary bounce was due to what he said but we have not seen the bottom.
Posted By: wr otis

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/14/20 12:44 PM

"When we have voids in leadership as we do now at the federal level" Bryce

"All reports said he didn't listen to the experts" dr fur

Sounds just like to quotes direct from the fake news media. Trump's a lousy president and horrible person because the media told me so.
Posted By: west river rogue

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/14/20 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Catch22
Originally Posted by bblwi
You are trying to figure out what is going on in the mind of a narcissistic sociopath when you get that all figured out let us know.

Bryce

Blah

blah x2
Posted By: west river rogue

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/14/20 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by mnsota
You are trying to figure out what is going on in the mind of a narcissistic sociopath when you get that all figured out let us know.

I firmly believe our President is doing his best to insure the best outcome for our country.

I agree..Go big Don
Posted By: DuxDawg

Re: Trump and the virus - 03/14/20 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. Fur
Originally Posted by wr otis
He knows the virus is ... possibly temporary problem.

He also knows panic and global recession is the bigger danger.

He cares more about this country and it's people than most people want to give him credit for.


There is no evidence that the virus is seasonal or not seasonal.

If you want a government official who is telling the truth, look at Dr. Anthony Fauci. He is the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease.


x2 to all of the above.

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