Covid-19 stats are just not believable

Can a pathogen target a population group? Like a cruise missile. We have worldwide pandemic numbers and it seems COVID-19 prefers the land of red, white, and blue to everywhere else in this world. The U.S. has 6% of the worldwide population within its borders yet officials say we're tracking 35% of the worldwide cases? How can a virus, first discovered abroad, now be laser focused here? We have 330M people in this country and they tell us there's been 1.66M COvid-19 cases. Brazil has 209M people with 349,000 C-19 cases. India has 1.4B people and they report 132,000 C-19 cases.

Some speculate our healthcare has kept some alive and now they are susceptible, but Europe and much of the Middle East all have advanced medicine, and they don't have pandemic of this country's magnitude.

How can a virus, reported worldwide, only have one country in its sights?

Hmmmmm let me guess. No other country has a Trump!!!! Did I guess right?

I hope all is well. God bless

Been over this many times. The numbers in the US are exaggerated and they are cooking the books. A quick search for info online will explain it.

I think even the ones that were questioning whether they'd be alive for trapping season on here have finally opened their eyes. It's no secret this has been the biggest over hyped sensation the United States has seen in a number of years. Even the CDC's talking head Dr. Fauci is now admitting prolonged stay at home orders is a horrible idea. I've been watching my kids play in the cow lots, fishing, and enjoying any free time I have off with them. Honestly, it has been kind of nice to slow life down a little bit.

Somewhere around 50% of the American people plus everyone else in the world have a pretty strong opinion on why, but carry on with the excuses. Hoping for the best possible outcome for us all.

Morning Pawnee. All is well. Rain headed our way for a week and we sure need it BUT, trapping is going to get rugged. Pulled traps yesterday because you can't access these mud ranch roads when it rains. Ruts will last 1,000 years. I'll head back in when the rainy season ends. It'll be even hotter!

I think your Trump guess has merit, but I believe we live in a post-modern time when it's bigger than Trump. Ours is a way of life based on individualism and America is really the last holdout of our type of governance. The people governing. This is not how the majority of the world governments and leaderships work, evidenced by the fact that communism has been making a comeback in Asia and Central America in recent decades and we are all that stands in place against a whole list of bad people. We think of Russia when we think of Communism, but we are missing the big picture as the Communists march country to country. Socialism and Communism is a new norm and many with these ideals, even many Americans believe in this governmental governance. It's a real agenda. Has been since the turn of the 20th century.

It's just like Texas. Blue money is flowing non-stop into Texas these last few years. All progressive eyes are on Texas. Why? CA was turned. NM was turned. All the Northeast is turned. If they can turn TX blue....
It's over.
Blue will be the new shade for a generation.

If the USA can be brought to bear,
The world can move forward.

We're no longer a Christian nation.
We're no longer teaching civics, so the younger generation doesn't even know how to spell civil war, or Vietnam.
We're now people groups, pitted one against the other for other's gain.

But I remain a sheep with a different shepherd than most in this country and certainly when compared to the entirety of this world.
And I smile because He is in control and always has been.

It does sadden my heart to see those with no hope, or fearful of what we do not understand, or who place false hope in masks, or whatever. Tomorrow will be a new mask and a new pandemic, rest assured, but Truth remains constant.

Saw a woman at a gas station yesterday, wiping down her straw with a wipe, even after the straw came out of a wrapper. I smiled, said, "hello", but she didn't respond. You see, I could be the person who kills here with a pathogen that I left on the soda handle. How very sad. People do not perceive they are now able to control their lives, and fellow Americas (people) will be held in contempt. You see in already on this site. Some will be in their masked world, with others viewed as the opposition to it. Some think we can control this type of scenario with hand wipes and shelter in place.

I gotta news flash. We've never controlled our lives at this scale. Not before. And not now.
But there's never been a better time to take a kid hunting, fishing, or trapping!

Blessings!
Mark

look at the counties on the ny side of the line compared to the pa side.numbers game and hearing numbers from both sides of the line make it obvious.

More cases equal more money here in the US it’s incentive to lie about the numbers to gain more aid, dead is dead so they toss everyone in the same category to suck up the bucks before the next state gets the money.

X2

Law Dog,
I see reports are becoming more numerous every day about the long term effects of the 650,000 cancer patients not being treated and on the long list goes. Isn't it incredible how the whole world (well America) stopped for months for a virus?

My wife maintains no such crisis ever existed when the doc tells millions to stop smoking, lose weight, eat right, don't drink, etc. If folks don't want to get sick and die, she maintains it'd make sense that any memo given to us about how we could die, would make us alter our plans and habits. But we don't too much. We take pills if we can. It's better than changing life style.

But there's no C-19 pill.
Man, can you imagine if there was!

They include all deaths as covid-19

Maybe we as a nation have let our guard down and communism is winning the battle.
A sad thing but there is Hope. The war has already been won!

But, as stated on another thread, the true impact should show up in total mortality from all causes. Is that up? and if so, by how much? If not they are cooking the books or covid deaths are compensatory mortality,

Some states, Minnesota for one lists only laboratory confirmed cases. New York for example includes presumed cases. I know an EMT who says they remove numerous bodies from homes that are not tested and probable covid deaths so not counted. So maybe over counted in some states and under counted in others.

I have been in five states in the last three weeks, and while I took some precautions, I didn't get attacked by this terrible plague! Running my fur routes to pick up fur from trappers, and most wanted to shake my hand, and I was not to frightened to shake theirs, if they wanted to! My wife rode along and helped with the work, and here in four days, will go to surgery and get a new shoulder. The Docs office called while on the road last week, and started asking questions, and they freaked out that we had been out of state and around so many people. She had to be tested on Wed for preparation for surgery, and was given a green light for it to proceed. While I wasn't tested, two people living as close as we do, I can say the chances that I would have it and her not having it, the odds would be extremely high!

The amount of people dying is rather low in reality if you take the same average number of deaths from all the other things that normally kill us, but mysteriously, no one has had any mortality from those things, it has all been blamed on the kung flu. Also funny, is that count is much higher in states that have a demonrat gov than those that are repubs. I for one am tired of the games and will not play their games, as most of the folks that can see through their nonsense. I can recognize a scam in this and won't play their game!

Better safe than sorry

If one person in your family gets itcand dies the whole numbers thing would shut you down.

We have 2 in ours. One died... another 47 days in hosp.

I'm Not gonna banter! But until it hits home you feel immortal.

Wow, what a surprise.

I won't banter with you but there's family members losing family daily around this country with a whole lot more lethality than Covid. Yet we aren't addressing a number of those issues. What about the families of people lost to suicide, uncontrolled chronic conditions, and even delayed treatment of cancer throughout this "pandemic?" Everyone focuses on what Covid may or may not be doing. No one is watching the sleepers that are going to kill off far more people in this country.

I will give you two real world examples. 60 year old with no health conditions and healthy as a horse. Has a known bad gallbladder that is considered "elective." Due to Covid-19 his surgery is delayed two months. He presents with fever, increasing abdominal pain, and is critical. His gallbladder that was stable but defective and needs removed has now caused an infection in his blood. Previously no health issues but almost dead. If he would have died I'm sure his family would have thought Covid hit really hard and not for the same reason as you.

13 year old honor student. Straight A student with no mental health history in her life. No health issues. Begins to feel depressed at home, worried about not finishing school for the semester, and the fact she hasn't been around any peers in two months. Downs a bottle of sleeping pills because she isn't coping well with isolation. Intubated (not because of Covid) survives. I'm sure her family has an outlook on Covid that doesn't match yours. It's all in perspective.

How could you have missed HCQ???
95% cured within 4 hours.
99% cured within 4 days.
(Helps to catch it early and not have any heart conditions.)

Sure is nice to have the last laugh.

Been telling everyone the raw data just wasn't matching the hype since February.
Had numerous posts deleted, here and on other forums, despite providing multiple sources backing me up.
Turns out my read was 100% correct.

I'd mention pearls before swine, but instead will close with a hearty, "Y'all are welcome."

Interesting trapdog. But if you do the history of the disease in the US you will find that it seems to have started in the eastern US. Your dem states were pretty much first to get it and were not in the least prepared for it. We, here in the Midwest had notice. Also lifestyle has a lot to do with it.
People packed together as in New York are much more vulnerable to such diseases.
Suspicious??
Not very.
just

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Well with all the time more people are cooking and eating. Myself I have gained a few pounds but we've had a lot of rainy, cold weather and I'd rather stay in and eat. So I'm sure obesity is on the rise. Of course I have no figures but I just bet road fatalities would be down. We Americans like to die and keep our pride, at least if I got killed by a dog, it was a big dog. So we have bragging rites if the Kung Flu gets us we know it was worse here than any place else.We have the greatest testing in the world ! One thing that amazes me that after closing all the close quarter places and they left the subways open, I guess it was necessary.

Its too late to lock the barn door after the horse is out.

I am seeing more testing on ivermec and on ivermec and doxy combined, hope its not false hope.

Good points, Just.

First cases were on the west coast, not the east.

I've noticed here the local news always increases the confirmed cases and deaths but the recovered number barely moves.

This is all a political ploy. Something bigger is going on behind the scenes in DC.

330 sorry for your loss. Why has the one been in the hospital for 47 days?

I've lost 6 family members and 100 have had it. One uncle spent 2 days in the hospital before he demanded to be released. He said it was worse than the flu and pneumonia combined. He's since recovered.

Proper ppe for this is a full suit with fresh o2 intake and co2 output anything else is false assurance.

A quick search for info online will explain literally anything anyone has ever thought possible, including the opposite to this claim.

Considering what we’ve learned about Covid, I’d like to know how it’s possible that Michigan has more deaths than India.


I-N-D-I-A!


(Also any other country with huge populations living so close together)

This is like when someone asks you a question and they already know the answer. HA ha.

Let's think about this for a minute. Three days a week, we have to go back and review cases and add more deaths to the COVID numbers. This is the 21st century. When you put info in the computer, it's all over the world in seconds, yet we do this every week. Have a hard time believing the numbers. Most hospitals are closer to empty than full. Even the doctors are saying open up. Sorry, but I have no faith in our governor. This is all about politics to her. She assigns the lieutenant governor to look into why minorities have been affected more, when it's as obvious as the nose on her face. They live closer together, causing more exposure potential,many have health issues already, and many don't trust the healthcare system so they wait too long to get help and then it's too late. Sad. And where does this happen most, Detroit, the thorn in the side of Michigan for years and run by her party for years. Do we have a problem, Yes. Is this virus terrible, Yes. Unfortunately, I think people are using this for their good not for the good of the people. We can open up safely without her holding our hand. We finally allow churches to open even though alcohol,marijuana and abortion have been deemed essential since this started. Hmmm. Maybe it's time to prayerfully consider all facets of our lives and how we will answer when we stand before the real Judge. May God bless us all !!!

The numbers here in the USA are bull feces. Hopefully this will be straightened out at some point, but likely will not happen until after November presidential election.

This entire virus situation has been hyped by the media. Our government latched onto it also, due to the belief that citizens wanted action from them, and that caused the American people to freak out even more. There went the economy.

I wont even get into how a signed piece of paper (executive order) by county commissioners, mayors, and governors overrode our US Constitution. And how most US citizens just followed along.....dam scariest thing I've ever seen happen in my 55 years on Earth.

It’s hard to pinpoint without cherry picking. It’s what makes the epidemiology and anthropology of a pandemic so interesting. Cherry picking is left to the populous. Actual studying of the spread is with the professionals. Unfortunately, the worlds of public health, health care and politics don’t seem to have equal weight within public perception.

America is is a mobile country. Many other countries are not. Mobility spreads diseases.

America shares information for the betterment of everyone. Many others do not.

America is unequally divided meaning there are haves, have nots, elderly concentrated in care facilities, etc. but we don’t have universal health care, suggesting huge disparities when it comes to pandemics, including seasonal flu.

As a democracy with home (state) rules, having a national policy that offers equal protection generally doesn’t happen over night. Highly populated states are seen as getting the most benefits but in this case, are feeling the most impact. Spread out populations, such as with Wyoming, Montana, and the Dakotas have a seemingly lower concentration than say, Illinois, New York and Florida. Spread and population density have a lot to do with it.

Physical health, age, gender, occupations, Whether you live in single family dwellings or an apartment building, membership in community organizations (including churches), gated communities, having school aged children, and so on, go into the study of spread of diseases.

There are many other factors that go into studying the spread and concentrations of diseases. The virus goes where it’s taken. It infects ‘populations at risk’. How we handle the information will determine whether we can control this disease or it controls us.

And finally, medical recommendations (e.g. from Dr Fauci) will change based on the new information coming in. The general public doesn’t seem to understand covid-19 gives us New information as more medical investigators study the disease. The prevalence of Kawasaki Disease in children With covid-19 wasn’t known 90 days ago. It is a recognized subset now. What is known about the virus is about 100% different than what we knew in the beginning. Expect things will change as more research is done.

There will be approx. 40,000 less flu deaths this year......

We really need the overall death count for the country from 1/1/2020 to today and from 1/1/2019 thru 6/1/2019 and a comparison but that may not be enough, y'all just need to trust your gut.

God help us if Mr. Trump looses in November.

Judging from posts similar to this and past postings from multiple people on here I'd say you've already let the virus control you with misguided and unfortunate information. I don't think anyone is arguing that Covid spreads easier in high density populations. I don't think there's any question regarding the spread or concentration of Covid. I think everyone has accepted that it's not as deadly as the media would have liked you to believe from the beginning except for a few of you grasping at straws. You can look at Florida and I hate to say it California (I never thought they'd be a poster child for anything) on locations where there's a high population of people that had a much lower mortality rate than say New Jersey and New York. There's places in those states where people are stacked like corkwood just as much as New York and the deaths didn't happen. It's pretty obvious the numbers are being inflated. It'll be something to look back in the future when all other deaths stopped in this country for two months in those states....the numbers won't be out for some time.

Yep, all you have to do is use your head for more that a hat rack.

Example......NYC had it so bad, and were so overwhelmed they were out of bed space in the hospitals and were stacking bodies in refer trailers. Until, Trump built them temp hospitals and sent the medical ship in, That for the most part were never used!!!!!! Crisis over!

Teacher,
America is NOT just a democracy.

It is a Republic.

I think the numbers are somewhat cooked. I also think the USA has more capability to test than anywhere else therefore confirming more cases. If you test more people, you will probably have more cases. Lastly, the US health system is superior to most of the rest of the world and thus we naturally have more people in "high risk" categories that otherwise may have been dead long ago from one thing or the other.

China reported NO new cases today. LMAO

Ours here deff were, they admitted so and then pulled a nice even number outta their head and subtracted that from the death count.

I personally don't believe any of the numbers, from any state after following this. Ours has stopped posting the number had been following and has gone to a per 100,000 rate instead of actual numbers. It makes it look worse, especially for counties like the one I live in.

Example......
We have 2 deaths with a population of 24 almost 25 thousand. Instead of putting 2 on our county, they now list 8 per 100,000.

Deceitful

So do you guys think that covid could have put someone that is sick over the edge? If so it still is the factor that killed them.
As far as india goes their first case didn't start until a couple of weeks after the US did IIRC. Maybe their first reported case?
It ain't over guys.
just

Physical health (Unhealthy habits, smoking, diabetes control, being overweight), crowding, age, occupation, gender, sometimes cultural concentrations, rat/bird populations in the area, etc. lots of factors are considered when a disease shows prevalence for an area. But the curve seems to be flattening in areas where the populations at risk have been affected to the point of “micro” herd immunity.

Okay. So the numbers are off. Let’s for the sake of argument say the number of cases and deaths are off 25%. That means we still have 1.2 million confirmed cases of disease and 75,000 deaths. Aggressive testing is telling us about 10% of those tested (here in Minnesota) have the virus. A low percentage require hospitalization Now with the rest quarantining in place waiting to see if they develop a full fledged-hospital going case. MOST of the deaths in Minnesota so far have been in care facilities. The next population being affected are older people (like me). The odds of me getting it are probably much higher than you based with a cherry picking of age, pre-existing physical conditions and population concentration. Having spent a career in public health, the numbers are telling me I have to be careful.

Those first four things you listed will kill you whether you have Covid or not they are also prevalent throughout the United States. Like I said no one is questioning Covid has spread throughout the country and the numbers of infected is probably quite higher than what has been found so far. The mortality rate is definitely the issue and if you cut out about four states that have exaggerated those numbers we would all have to lockdown for influenza.

I don’t remember the basic “rules” for defining cause of death. Maybe Wade knows as I think he has a medical background. But there are definitions that come to play and it is based on autopsy and medical histories. In the case of NYC, Chicago, New Orleans and so on, the bodies were stacked up and autopsies didn’t get done. So, yes, patients might have stage 4 kidney cancer with 6 months to live. But covid-19 was the immediate cause of death. I’m sure a lot of this happened.

Like 330- My sister-in-law had it however she did not die. She was extremely ill for a long time. Took like 2 weeks to get her result from her covid test.
I'm at the age and take BP meds where I take this virus pretty serious. Oh yeah I am also taking prednisone for an auto-immune problem since March so....triple whammy.

I have already written it on another post, but I will list what the CDC defines again here as a confirmed or presumptive death by Covid. In case you missed it. I'm just going to copy what I wrote on the other post rather than re-write it for you.


“As of April 14, 2020, CDC case counts and death counts include both confirmed and probable cases and deaths.”
Well what does that mean confirmed and probable? Well lets look a little deeper into the rabbit hole.
“A confirmed case or death is defined by meeting confirmatory laboratory evidence for COVID-19.
A probable case or death is defined by one of the following:
• Meeting clinical criteria AND epidemiologic evidence with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID-19
• Meeting presumptive laboratory evidence AND either clinical criteria OR epidemiologic evidence
• Meeting vital records criteria with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID19”
So a confirmed case we have a positive laboratory test for Covid-19 at the time of expiration (not necessarily even a guarantee cause of death from Covid but contributing factor). For the probable/presumptive cases we have to meet these guidelines above. So what are they? Let me show you.

Clinical criteria:
"At least two of the following symptoms: fever (measured or subjective), chills, rigors, myalgia,
headache, sore throat, new olfactory and taste disorder(s)"
I don’t know how many people you’ve been around that die. Almost every person I’ve been around that hasn’t died immediately from an illness has an immune response and when they are near death the body temperature spikes. A fever is also found in a large amount of illnesses outside of Covid-19.
OR
"At least one of the following symptoms: cough, shortness of breath, or difficulty breathing"
These symptoms are found in a whole host of illnesses, cardiac problems, and even that pneumonia that we have seemed to cure during this pandemic.
OR
"Severe respiratory illness with at least one of the following:
• Clinical or radiographic evidence of pneumonia, or
• Acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS). "
There’s that pneumonia again. So we meet “clinical criteria” for death by Covid-19 by having pneumonia found on a chest x-ray. Let’s just clear that up.

Laboratory Criteria:
"Laboratory evidence using a method approved or authorized by the FDA or designated authority:
Confirmatory laboratory evidence:
Detection of SARS-CoV-2 RNA in a clinical specimen using a molecular amplification detection
test
Presumptive laboratory evidence:
; Detection of specific antigen in a clinical specimen
Detection of specific antibody in serum, plasma, or whole blood indicative of a new or recent
infection "
There’s that word presumptive again which has been all around since Covid began. So reading this if a patient dies and has an antibody that shows they’ve been infected with Covid-19 at some point they meet laboratory criteria for death by Covid.

Epidemiology:
"One or more of the following exposures in the 14 days before onset of symptoms:
Close contact** with a confirmed or probable case of COVID-19 disease; or
Close contact** with a person with:
o clinically compatible illness AND
o linkage to a confirmed case of COVID-19 disease.
Travel to or residence in an area with sustained, ongoing community transmission of SARS-CoV2.
Member of a risk cohort as defined by public health authorities during an outbreak."

At this point there isn’t a state in the United States that hasn’t had some type of sustained ongoing transmission of Covid-19. So essentially every patient that presents to the hospital would meet the epidemiology criteria for death by Covid.

Now this one really makes a guy scratch his head.
"•Meeting vital records criteria with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID19”
So wait you can meet criteria for being one of the 64,283 deaths in the United States today without even being tested for Covid 19? What’s this vital record criteria we must have then?
"A death certificate that lists COVID-19 disease or SARS-CoV-2 as a cause of death or a significant condition contributing to death."
So to meet vital records criteria the death certificate simply has to say Covid-19 or SARS-CoV-2 as a contributing factor but we never tested for either of those things to prove it. Why would anyone do that? I’ll let you be the judge.

When it first got here ( me thinks it's been here before it went nuts) being 66 I was cautious. I live just north of the Indiana border, my wife has a hair styling business in Michigan. Whitmer extended the close down of her business till 6/13, and won't share her information with here legislators . Indiana is open Hmm. It doesn't take much to figure if the Hospitals code it Covid then they get more money. Or it's fear mongering.. Who can we trust????? not politicians!

There is a reason for everything that happens! Someone is trying to get our attention, we all need to read the 10 commandments and live them.. There are so many unanswered questions like how did it spread coast to coast so quickly? Airborne? I agree with Ryan at this point, never thought i'd say that LOL.. I've been out quiet a few times, very strange vib in the air like something is going to happen. Question for you Ryan, do masks really help or are they a band aid on a gapping wound??

You have to wonder why the idea of forcing Covid infected people into nursing homes is anything more the the culling of the elderly. To expose the most at risk people to a virus under those condition seems like a intentional move.

I haven't worn one since this all began unless I was forced to due to employment. I had to shave off even a 5 '0 clock shadow to pass the fit test for my N-95 mask for it to fit securely enough to prevent transmission of droplets. I can almost without hesitation estimate that every homemade mask even if filtered does not even come close to fitting properly enough to prevent droplet particles from an infected person from infecting you. I can see how you could argue it might decrease transmission from someone that's asymptomatic with Covid but at this point I am arguing this virus is no deadlier than any other virus we have encountered on a daily basis.

I’ve been having trouble with my internet connection so I’ll go back to a comment hippie made. He said they’ve had 2 cases per ~25,000 population and it was reported as 8 per 100,000. This is what disease investigators and health types call the prevalence rate. To compare apples to apples, a basis of 100,000 possibles is used. That way, it’s easy to compare your area with any other area. Just understand no one is being deceitful. It’s just the way medical comparisons are made.

Our governor WASN'T posting our deaths like that until 3 days ago. They had been reporting deaths and cases per county by the actual numbers, even listed one's in nursing homes. No more, just these numbers that if you don't look at the footnotes, you'd think the numbers are much higher than actual.

I understand most agencies report in this manner.

LAW DOG, our state also sent positive cases into nursing homes it really did a job on them, close to 70percent of our state's deaths were in personal care facilities, ..aka nursing homes.

Wade and I don’t seem to agree on much these days but I agree with him on the masking issue. The home made ones don’t do much but give us all peace of mind-that we’re doing something.

But I’ve had people in my office who should have stayed home with their coughing illness, who felt the agency couldn’t function without them being there. Within a week, most of the office had their crud. This is what scares me: those with a mild case spreading it because they don’t think about how it might affect others.

Teach,

My wife is a recently retired RNAC from a nursing home chain and is use to reading stats. She's been following our state closely.

The home made masks are about as effective as a screen door on a submarine! They probably do more harm than good with folks constantly fidgeting with them and then touching things with their contaminated hands.

I got kick out menards bfore , no.mask, not sure if sign, pay no attention, they try sell.me one at customer service for $1, I got one pickuo, what a scam, company makes $1000s a day on masks. Is there any covid. I think this stuff is a joke. Some kind scam by democrats. To ruin trump , if there ever are mandatory vaccine shots. I not trust get one, might be poison an or something to wipe out mankind. This stuff is just to wierd for me

You're wife is right. People who chose not to listen to health care professionals regarding the risks of not changing their lifestyle now expect others to sacrifice their jobs and their freedoms. Seems very selfish to me. If someone chooses to roll the dice only they should suffer the loss.

Bodies stacking up is due to the holds and quarantines places on them. The funeral industry does not have excess capacity to slow down the normal flow. There has been no increase in the normal number of deaths in ANY state. The numbers reported are directly related to political party in control.

The priorities of the governing don't seem to point to a pandemic. They seem to point to an agenda.

Close schools, churches, and most businesses.
Keep the essential locations open: liquor stores, cannabis shops, abortion clinics.
Even naming them as essential and non-essential is an agenda and has no place in any pandemic situation.

This is no list of pandemic proportionality. This is a political listing of preferred sites.

THAT is what this God-fearing, Bible toting, gun tooting, male gendered, covenanted husband of one wife, papa to 5, grandpapa to 11, and proud nationalistic American while on this earth can see without my glasses on.

Oh and I like to rule the beasts of the earth (Gen. 1:26) because others describe what I do as "trapping."

We must realize that in our world today, the list I just typed out is despised at each and every point. All of them. Front to back.

Evil would have us with no God, no self-protection, no gender specificity because it's named in Genesis 1:27 of God's Word, no fathers to lead in a home, and no nation called America where individuals are allowed to make self-decisions freely.

I call out evil and name it as it is.

And like some of us trappers, I ain't afraid to call out evil and won't play along because if evil is serious, so must we be!

I view Covid-19 as one of countless ways we will have happen to all of us exactly what happened to Adam (Gen. 5:5); he died.
No more, no less. We should grieve and respect the lives of all who die of any cause. Covid-19 should not change that perspective in us.
A person who dies of Covid-19 or a drug overdose ends the same; he/she dies, and we should bow our heads and grieve and thank God for the time we had with them while on earth.

Besides, smallpox in colonial America is the real deal in pandemics; estimated that it killed 3 in 10; variolation was used (scratching the pustules from the infected and given to those who had not yet contracted smallpox to lessen the mortality) to try and lessen the devastation.

As always, I look at history and think, boy-o-boy our forefathers were tough, tough, tough.
And the colonials prayed to God more often than today's America does, and I pray God's will be done and that this trend reverts.

Blessings,
Mark

Hair stylist for Great Clips worked a week with a fever. Exposed 91 clients. Should get jail time.

Oh geez.

exactly, why wouldn't you when the government gives you more money??? its disgusting and makes all the numbers fictitious

Stop reading the stats and you will be better off.

But uninformed.
just

Being informed by misinformation is worse than being uninformed.

A less sinister explanation to MJ's original question.........USA has the resources to do the testing......and most other countries don't. As a percentage of the population......or using some benchmark number.....like cases per 100,000 population, USA probably has no more......perhaps even less.....than other countries. Following state's announcement that testing will be available to anybody who shows up to ask for one.......no Dr. involved........our cases locally have increased 4X is just the past week alone. But that is people testing positive......NOT people stacking up in the ICU. So more cases, or more testing to ID the cases that have been there all along?

What really matters, however, is that nobody seems to know or care what the % of population is already walking around with the antibodies......meaning they have been exposed and may have already been sick, and didn't even know it. If so, that serves the same purpose as the vaccines the world is breathlessly waiting for someone to develop. At this point in time, for public planning purposes, the antibody tests are the only ones that really matter.

Its not about safety its about compliance. It is conditioning people to think governors and presidents have the authority to suspend the constitution and create law with a declaration.

It should be very obvious to the entire world that this new disease is not nearly as dangerous as we first were told.

Danny ,, kind my thoughts as well.

You'd better wear your mask, coonman, or the virus will take you.

If you don't get the vaccine, the G-men will hold you down
and inoculate you by force and throw you in a re-education camp.

They'll put your traps on e-bay, and scrap your Colorado.

You will be screwed, coonman !!!

They have the test but still no test for if you have the antibodies and are immune, Hmmmm? Sure seems like they would develop one sooner than later so they could use those that are immune to develop a vaccine more efficiently. Or am I drunk??

I put on a mask to go in the store the other day. Very quickly I realized the mask began to control my thoughts and actions. Then I realized the other people in the store wearing masks were in fact liberal zombies being controlled by their masks. The only people who weren't zombies were those guys who had refused to wear masks. I ripped off mask and ran out of the store, jumped in my truck and started driving as fast as I could. The masked liberal zombies were crowding into the street shooting rainbows at my truck from their fingertips...but I outmaneuvered them and sped away. Then I woke up.

We are the most mobile country. Period. It is here, and we are spreading it. May not end until 70% of us are immune. That is why we need a vaccine quickly.

So does anyone have statistics on the death rate do to the flu for the months of March, April and May In 2019.

We dont have accurate numbers for chinese flu deaths. How can we have accurate numbers for any other cause of death?

Coos you should leave the psychedelics alone. You have already damaged your brain.

Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of people who have died from the virus.
And dont tell me hundreds of countries conspired to lie.Thats a fantasy.

STAY_STOP_SAVE

Yeah,we had one guy on here awhile back that told us",it really isn't up to you"....in regards to being told we had to wear a mask.Talk about a zombie!

NOPE

Its about stopping a viral epidemic.

That's all, No secret conspiricies like some of you guys imagine.. Its been slowed considerably but you keep claiming, with NO proof, that it isn't a big deal.


just

They do have such tests.......at least 5 of them are FDA approved.......the question is why aren't they using them? The way they ought to be using them is to do random testing of folks who are out and about on the street. Prick a finger, get a drop of blood, test it. You don't need to do everybody, only a very small sample.....like 50 out of 100,000.

At least 4 to 6 weeks ago, two such tests were conducted widespread. One was from Stanford.....about 2,000 people in northern California. The other was about 3,000 people in NYC. Both showed folks walking around with antibodies were from 50X to 80X higher than known cases of folks that had tested positive for the virus itself. Knowing the % of the population that has the antibodies means everything. That is the yardstick you would use to measure where the overall population is with regards to antibodies. Antibodies are antibodies......if you get them from a vaccine or the virus itself......you get them.

If the a large segment of the population has already been inoculated by the virus itself, then its time to open the gate and turns the horses loose.

BTW, word came over the weekend that some states had been adding both types of tests.......virus and antibodies.....together. Two tests.....meaning two different things.
That is messed up.

There are a number of antibody tests already available and there has been several studies published that indicate the virus is more widespread and has been here longer than the experts thought. Many people who were positive for the antibody never were sick. The death rate for those who have symptoms and test positive is extremely low.....less than 1 in one hundred confirmed with symptoms die.

If you add the antibody positive to the clinical positive, the death rate per 1,000 is extremely low...in tenths or hundredths of 1%.

The CDC has been called out for adding the clinical and antibody number together to make the total number of cases higher and make it look like it is getting worse. The more tests, the more you find so numbers go up. Stop testing or only test sick folks, numbers go down.

Figures do not lie but liars sure as heck can figure how to make it sound bad!

I bet they could scare a lot of people into believing that common cold could turn into a "pandemic' by next winter also Lol

There's the truth people

LMAO
Have any of you guys ever thought of writing for any of the soap operas?
just

My personal opinion is this was a test run for the Antichrist to learn how people would react to something like this. The world governments tell us there is a bad bug out there and were going to die, and people freak the heck out, and what did they do, turn to the government for protection. People quit going to work, people quit going to school, people quit going to church, people quit life in a lot of places. How hard was that for the government to control peoples lives, imagine what it going to be like when the Antichrist steps up for real.

^^^^^^^^^^^or science fiction....

ranger i quit everything for about two weeks. the canary in the coal mine is the incarcerated and the homeless. their populations were and are not decimated. thats all i need to know the danger has been grossly exaggerated.

FYI
ABC s news show "what you need to know " just reported that there are over 100 possible corona virus 19 vaccinations being tested world wide.
8 are being human tested.
I'm sure you guys can volunteer.
just

I will say I had some real concern going into this coronavirus thing, but I also thought that if this is real we will know in a couple weeks or a month tops. My x is a nurse in a managment position with a large hospital group, my sis is a traveling nurse that is working in a large city right now, one of my good friends wife is a nurse in a good sized city, and one of my best friends lives in an area that is considered a Hotspot here in ks. The friend who lives in the Hotspot works with two guys that where confirmed with it and came in direct contact with them days before they were confirmed but he never got sick and the confirmed cases never got sick enough to even be concerned about it. The three nurses I've talked all said the seriousness of the virus has been way over played for all but a small group of at risk people. 2 of the three nurses were quite concerned going into this thing. At what point do we put more value on what we really see happening around us and start thinking for ourselves?

I would like to get an antibody test. Had something in February with all the symptoms. Dont know where to get one.

You dont have to volunteer for testing you can get paid. I dont think I would meet the standards for a test subject. I have not heard about any vaccine tests being done here. Where in KC do I go? Who do I call? I dont want to go someplace far off for however long it lasts.

30 some years we haven't found a vaccine for the aids virus, haven't developed a vaccine for sars, my understanding of vaccines is they take a long time to develop if they ever can be. Heck the influenza vaccine is only 20% to 40% effective and thats likely being generous. If 70% percent of the population has already got antibodies to the coronavirus and if a vaccine came out that was 30% effective then the vaccine would only help 10% of the people that took it. And there is already 9 confirmed different stains of the virus out there.

I'd start by contacting your county health department

health department said they are not doing it. get a dr to order it and send it to a lab. lady on the phone is unaware of what labs are doing it

If this is a true public health emergency like it has been sold to the masses, the antibody test should be front and center to determine how widespread the virus really is compared to the number of serious cases and fatalities. More folks who have been exposed without serious issues is a good thing when looking at getting back to normal. Every local health department should be offering the antibody test to anyone willing to get it. You get your finger pricked and have the result in 15 minutes. Why is this not already being done?

I do not trust the WHO and the CDC anymore than I trust CNN at this point.

Hmmm.Interesting
Do you trust the president?

The tests take awhile to produce.
I don't know how long a finger prick sample lasts but as someone said above they are still trying to find a vaccination for aids.

I dont. Reminds of old "read my lips".

Mark...“Reported cases” vs. “actual cases”..

I think that’s the difference.

I was an advocate for a shutdown. Every person I am close to is in the high risk category. But then they did shut things down and I saw what a joke it was. In my mind, a shut down was a shut down.... a couple grocery stores open with employees bringing a gallon of milk, loaf of bread and pound of butter out to your car. But it was nothing like that. Food joints, banks, hardware stores, liquor stores, cigarette joints, realtors, car dealers, etc were all still open for business with only the smallest of businesses suffering. With many out of work, and less places to shop, everyone flooded to Lowes and Walmart. I work at Lowes and our store had record breaking numbers every day of the shutdown.

I now believe that the shutdowns contributed to the disease. If people were busy with work, and had more places to shop, I feel less would have contracted it!

I believe the disease is serious. I believe it's contagious. But I also believe that the state and federal governments have no clue what to do with it, and in many cases might be endangering us more.

Not 100% but way yonder more than the alternative that we had to choose from. But I do feel for him trying to sort through all of the ever changing data from the so called experts to try to determine the best course of action moving forward. His top advisers are as wishy washy as can be and there is no way win whatever he does.

Just my opinion but I do believe some of the social distancing has helped. Mainly, the cancellation of the big events that would have brought folks together from all over the country. Ball games and similar big events with lots of folks crowded into small areas.

I am not sure closing schools made much difference. I am also not sure the other shut downs did more good than they did harm. Essential versus non essential determined by a bunch of career politicians has been a pretty bad joke at best. Some of those brilliant politicians should be charged with murder for forcing some very high risk folks to be exposed to known infected folks....when nursing homes were forced to take in virus patients. Lots of folks died because of those bad decisions for sure.

The shutdown, as I understand it, was never intended to stop the spread. It was to slow down the spread so the health care systems were not over run. For the most part, that worked but the unexpected shutdown of the health care system has created bigger problems. Many folks are not getting the care they need for other conditions either due to their own fear or the fact that the medical community closed down.

According to the latest work in China, they are saying it was probably starting in Wuhan around November at the latest and they never really confirmed their first death until late December. Why? Because nobody was looking. Even when they had their first probable death in late December, few were looking. It wasn't until around the Chinese New Year around January 25th that it really started becoming a story around the globe.

When the shadow of the big ugly giant known as Covid-19 was coming upon us, the US government was busy working to defend/impeach the president (January 21-31) which they could have started a month earlier. They didn't care about some Chinese virus. The media had bigger things to report and slant.

At first it wasn't in the US until mid to late February. Now the CDC says it was confirmed January 20th with the person flying from Wuhan on January 15th. I'm sure that patient "zero" wasn't socially distant on the 14+ hour flight from China so how many of those 300+ passengers were exposed? Chances are a lot as the person would have been within 2 feet of probably a minimum of 11 people for the entire flight. The person probably used the same restroom at least 2 times that was shared with at least 50-100 people. These people probably landed and went and hugged/kissed how many of their family members immediately after exposure. If you trace the expose chain, just this 1 person likely resulted in the exposure of 1,000's of people by mid-January. Chances are he/she wasn't the first and only either so it probably was spread far and wide by late January.

Enter Chinese New Year on January 25th until about February 9th. Most of the country shuts down and is somewhat isolated when the virus is really ramping up. The new cases were about asymptotic for a few days and then started really climbing. From this time until early March the Chinese National Health Commission changed the case definition of Covid-19 7 times. During this time China reported about 55,000 cases where as some modeling by a group of Chinese scientists published in a medical journal that based on the rates of climb after each case definition change, there should have actually been somewhere in the ball park of 232,000 cases. So it really came down to how one defines Covid-19 positive.

I suspect China has many more Covid-19 related deaths than reported but it simply was not identified in their definitions. What we have learned in the US is that the definition likely hasn't changed as much but it has been much broader all along and likely the reason we have more cases. We also know that Covid-19 deaths are not only Covid-19 deaths but deaths that tested positive for Covid-19 or showed symptoms. What we don't know is how many deaths were truly only because of Covid-19 nor how many cases of Covid-19 are really out there.

My gut feeling is that when this is all said and done with, we will find that this highly contagious virus has been much more rampant than anyone reported but it was simply not that deadly unless you had some underlying condition whether you were aware or not. Perhaps even genetics could be a big player as some people are likely more resistant than others.

On a side note, I was in China from December 5 until December 17th. We traveled all around the country for the time going by van or high speed rail. We spent 2 days in the Yellow Mountains about two and a half hours (by high speed rail) from Wuhan. If anyone should have had it, it is me and the 6 people I was with the entire time as we traveled through the country or on the 14 hour flight with 300 of my closes Chinese associates from all over the country. My co-worker from China and her husband came back to the US on January 18th. I am pretty sure I had it around early February and probably gave it to my wife and daughter as we all had a dry cough for about 3 weeks. I also had a (probably viral) rash that I just chalked up to be around a 2 year old that was in day care most days.

Ironically, assisted living homes are been shown to really suffer from the disease but there seems to be little if any fuss about day cares which are famous vector transmission incubators. Head scratcher there.

A lot of stuff doesn't add up to me so I've just chalked it up to nobody knowing what the heck is really going on.

This past weekend will be the true test of the seriousness of this virus as I saw the most activity out and about since February. There better be a big outbreak of this in 12 days or the media and government's bluff might have been called.

There’s testing for antibodies but it’s just like the original antigen testing. It takes a while for the testing to get out. Remember no one in the United States knew what Covid-19 was until the start of this year. Our healthcare system will have the testing within 2-3 weeks. Workers with higher chances of exposure will have the ability to be tested first. I’m in line.

The antibody test has been available here for at least a month. Call a local pharmacy for a drive in appointment, drive in, rlll your window down. answer a couple of ID questions, get your finger pricked, wait in the parking lot about 15 and get the test results. Yes, you do have to pay for the test and just because you have the antibody, the medical folks are still not sure you have immunity since this is a new virus.

Health care workers and first responders should be tested for sure. Nursing home staff as well.

Thanks for the info QBD and Wade, I'll ask my Doctor tomorrow if its available here. I got swabbed last week for pre surgery on my hand. It was easy, a swab inside the nose right in my truck. They sent the results to my Surgeon.

Health care workers should be first.

I don't think the tests are that available here in Iowa. Why? Probably because they don't have enough.
Also they aren't sure what the tests really tell. That takes time.
just

Looks like as of yesterday, 132,655 Iowans tested. Don't know if that is good or bad.

Some might find this information released from the CDC this week as quite interesting.
"The overall cumulative COVID-19 associated hospitalization rate is 67.9 per 100,000, with the highest rates in people 65 years of age and older (214.4 per 100,000) followed by people 50-64 years (105.9 per 100,000). Hospitalization rates are cumulative and will increase as the COVID-19 pandemic continues.
Hospitalization rates for COVID-19 in adults (18-64 years) are higher than hospitalization rates for influenza at comparable time points* during the past 5 influenza seasons.
For people 65 years and older, current COVID-19 hospitalization rates are within ranges of influenza hospitalization rates observed at comparable time points* during recent influenza seasons.
For children (0-17 years), COVID-19 hospitalization rates are much lower than influenza hospitalization rates at comparable time points* during recent influenza seasons."

I've been told a number of times not to compare Covid-19 to influenza but I am going to. The overall rate of hospitalization for influenza this year is 69.00 per 100,000 as of May 14, 2020 according to the CDC. The good news is if you have Covid-19 you have about a 0.000679% chance of going to the hospital for care. Enough to shut down a country I am told. Before anyone comes on here and says yes the elderly have a higher rate of hospitalization from Covid the same could be said about the younger children during influenza season. The drive home point is that this virus affects a different demographic of people but overall is not the monster the media would have lead you to believe.

but (strangely enough), was "enough" to put a self-administered stake in the heart of President Trump's booming economy...the ONLY hope the Dims had of standing even a ghost of a chance in 2020.

Never let a good disaster go to waste..........................

Yep, I'm fully convinced that is why all the media hype, pelose and company saw a chance after their failed coup with the impeachment and russian collusion failure bull excrement. The media and dims are who have brought this country to it's knees.

Now you know Lee that you have several strikes against you when and if the political tide changes in this great nation.

A. You're named after the General that has had statutes in his honor removed from public areas.
B. Your death ray, which is working awesome by the way!!, will be analyzed by the elites, confiscated, and deemed an enemy of the people.
C. Your past tech posts will be brought up during the Pelosi tribunal, considered treasonous, and that's that.

When I'm captured and asked by the elite intelligencia if I know you....

I'll say YES.

Blessings brother!
Mark

Ha ha, birds of a feather! Like I said before, I'd rather die on my feet than on my knees! Keep the faith, bro!