Just a Mask? Time To Say NO!

When you ask why? - It's just a mask:
....."It's just a mask" can turn into "it's just a vaccine" very quickly. And it will, you can bet your bottom dollar on that!
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In less than 5 months, our government has successfully divided the country into "obedient mask wearers" versus "selfish people that refuse to wear masks".
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"It's just a mask, you guys". It's for "the greater good"!
Where have we heard this phrase before?💡
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In less than 5 months, our government has dictated what events are acceptable versus unacceptable to attend. Riots are OK, family funerals are not. Standing in a graduation line is a "safety hazard", but feel free to line up at WalMart, Lowes, and Home Depot.
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But it's "just a mask" & "safety precautions", you guys.
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In less than 5 months, our government successfully facilitated the closing of family-owned businesses while granting authority to large corporations that they have invested interests in.
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It's "just a mask" and "safety precautions" you guys. Oh & here's a measly $1200 that we stole from you in the first place. Enjoy!
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In less than 5 months, our government was able to successfully sway the population into believing that a CASHLESS SOCIETY is a good thing! In the name of a government sponsored virus.
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In less than 5 months, our government closed down public schools, and has "restructured" school moving forward under the guise of "public safety" from a "virus". These same schools fed children crap per the corrupt USDA food pyramid. But "health" matters when it comes to a government sponsored virus 💡
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It's "just a mask" & "heightened safety precautions", you guys.
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In less than 5 months, our government demonstrated how easily people assimilate to "guidelines" (that have NO scientific premise whatsoever) when they are fearful.
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What was up with all that toilet paper?
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It's "just a mask" & "6 foot social distancing", you guys. Oh, and dooky paper.
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In less than 5 months, our government has successfully instilled fear in a majority of the population in America.
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But citizens are not "afraid" of the people in power who are responsible for the removal of their "freedoms". Instead, they're fearful of their neighbors and family, human touch, and air.
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There are thousands of viruses that *could* affect the population, but these viruses do not matter because MSM didn't say they do.
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It's absolutely terrifying to me that so many people do not question authority because they see that authority as "all knowing." It's even more terrifying that these same people rely on corrupt "leaders" to be led, thus lacking all critical thinking skills/independence.
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Slaves to the system that keeps them oppressed.
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How quickly history is forgotten and repeated!
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What's most problematic to me about all of this is that the people who are wearing masks "for the greater good" will be the first to sign up for this shiny new vaccine that's had 0 longitudinal safety tests against an inert placebo.
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What's more problematic to me is that this Vaccine MAY be the deciding factor in life moving forward.
You thought a mask was inconvenient? Wait until you're told that you cannot enter a store without proof of the Covid-19 vaccine. Wait until you cannot go to public events, or travel, without proof of having received this vaccine.
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To everyone that doesn't believe this is possible - do you understand that our government just successfully dictated to people WHEN they were allowed to be outside, where they were allowed to go, and how their children would be educated, in less than 5 months? And that a majority of the population followed blindly because they were told to do so.
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You're kidding yourself if you believe that they're not going to repeat this behavior with a vaccine.
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If people have not protested the occurrences in America over the last 5 months, they will assuredly continue to abide by unsubstantiated "guidelines" that will include a vaccine.

Do you get a flu shot?

I'll tell you what is scary to me is people who copy/paste absolute drivel without ever running any of its claims through their brain.

Never said yes.

Didnt take long to prove your point MySide

Another canucky.

Did you have a polio vaccine? Were you in the military? Bet I have had 50 vaccines.

What the op posted has been happening in the lower 48. Might not be happening in Alaska.

I wont wear a mask! No vaccine either.

Never had a flu shot.

If masks work, those who want to wear them can, and they have nothing to worry about.
In the military I was forced to get shots for everything, and I was sick all the time.

My son got a flu shot 6-8 years ago. A week later he was so sick he couldn't go to work. I finally got the flu about two years ago for the first time. Never had a flu shot. I didn't think it was that bad till it turned into pneumonia. I was pretty sick then. I figure I got natural immunity to both now though. I got sick last Feb. Was worried it would turn into pneumonia again. I finally got where I could breathe again. Pretty sure that was chinese flu. I can't see how a shot can improve on whats already been done.

I'm not wearing a mask either. For weeks they didnt work and now its imperative? Whatever. I sure dont miss TV.

It is odd how Govt can pick and choose which bidnesses have to close and which can stay open. Never the Mom n Pop stores or Amy's Salon.

Yep Me too ! But then again.........I never got Typhus, Typhoid, Black Plague, Yellow fever, Polio, Measles, mumps, rubella, , tuberculosis, tetnus, smallpox or cholera.
But WHOA its all a conspiracy !!

I got my two shingles shots also, and the pneumonia. Might be time for tetanus soon. I get a shot or two of Canadian whiskey every night around 6pm. Taking my dog to vet tomorrow for a rabies shot. I love him.

You don't need the rabies shot Charles. It's a Democrat ploy !!

I suspect historians will someday look back at these times we currently live in and have an opinion.
Like we do when we look back.

I sure hope they say, "What an amazing turn around as a nation after that Covid-19 scare!"

As I went into Walmart today, and they checked my temperature, and made sure my mask was visible, I sure longed for the days when you could sneeze into your sleeve and the people around you didn't even notice.

MySide is correct. The government of the people, by the people, and for the people, has ratcheted up it's dominance to an all time high with Covid-19. Remember the days when you might think a political would respond to a letter or email you wrote? Far too many now, actively work against the electorate's choices and don't even care (AOC and Amazon). It's a badge of honor to diss your people it seems.

Our founding fathers saw this type of tyranny in their day also.
I also predict we ain't seen nothing yet. When the fast tracked vaccine hits the news stands, there will be demands put in place, in the name of public safety that will astonish and bewilder us, I predict. Let me see "your documents," will become the "new new norm."
But it's been done before in tyrannical governments. Same story, different year.

Our hope shouldn't start with government anyway. It should end there.

Blessings,
Mark

Yep , the mask is the new Lord and Savior

The mandatory chip in the forehead is up next

Remember when facemask was a 15 yard penalty?
Man, those were the days!

That darn Italian government,French government, UK government, Chinese government, Spanish government, etc. They are all out to get us Americans. They had it first and made our government and private health experts recommend many of the same requirements they implemented.

But I think there should be a rule that all networks can only broadcast COVID related topics for an hour a day. Lots of drivel that doesn't mean much gets repeated over and over. If one doesn't believe in science then OK, and if you do, Thank you. Novel means new and when experts change their opinion over time, I can understand that.
It's only teenagers who haven't experienced much that know it all. Many an "expert" has said " There is so much we don't know about this virus yet".

Should our military be really prepared if needed to defend our country? Should we and our governments do what it thinks is right to keep maybe 2-300,000 Americans from dying? I think the economy can stay reasonably open if people are careful but that doesn't seem to be happening.

Off my soapbox and let the blow back begin.

I am not getting the "vaccine" and I'm not wearing a mask. I've never had the flu shot, I did get my vaccines when I was little, that was before my parents knew better.

I think a vaccine is many years down the road. They can’t even figure out symptoms...basically if anything isn’t right it “could” be COVID.
I got talked into getting the flu shot one year and yep...got the flu and missed two weeks of work.
Uncle Sam gave us every shot known to mankind and it was a good 10 years after I got out before I finally got sick again, lol.
With that being said, I won’t get a “shot” no matter what it is. They can’t even get a flu shot right from one year to the next. And supposedly the virus will mutate so a shot or vaccine may or may not work anyways. And from what I’m reading, just because you get it once doesn’t mean you won’t get it again...remember it will mutate.

As far as following along, for the greater good, we do that in everyday life.
Why do I need to wear a seatbelt?
Why do I need to obey the speed limit?
Why isn’t the money I earn the same as I bring home?
Why do I have to have insurance?
Why do I have to pay taxes on land I’ve already bought and payed taxes on?

Every rule/law out there is for the “greater good” in some way...

Not sure the problem is with a vaccine. The problem for me is with a mostly untested vaccine. Yes it is going through a testing phase but it has many of the normal protocols relaxed or removed on the name of speed. I will not be getting a covid shot if I can help it.

Does anybody think the Gov't is looking out for our best interests?

Look I dont think the people in government want to see 200,000 or 300,000 or 3,000,000 people die. I also believe everyone who has power wants to keep it. I dont think they would let a good opportunity like this covid pass without consolidating power. Just look at the WHO they are really pushing to be the policy makers for the world. Italy China France Spain the UK and the US plotting together and the international media is spreading their "news"? That I cant imagine.

Life really is better if you dont take the news at face value. Yes Covid is real it can and will spread precautions are necessary just like any flu or contagious disease.

I will live my life and die when I die. I didnt plan on living forever anyhow.

X2

That is exactly the way I feel about it. Seems most that have drank the kool aid, have gulped it all. Staying away from that too. I'm old with diabetes, but not gonna just do what they say, just because they say it. There used to be some freedom in this country, but not much left nowdays, always someone wanting to point out how your wrong about everything that you do or how you live or how you have lived. I have no white guilt and am not scrared of the covid crap, and if I die, it is my life. There are some on. here that act like they're gonna catch it from the computer. The whole thing is that it comes down to personal responsibility. You take care of you and I'll take care of me, that's the way it has always been in this country till now. Take care of yourselves my friends.

Well said Mr. Steinmeyer.

No cases for 2 months.They opened the bridge to PEI now you have 5 new cases. What does that tell you.

They brought in 5 test kits? The tests have shown watermelon to have Covid.

FDA Outlines Its Conditions for Approving a Covid-19 Vaccine
Treatment would need to be at least 50% more effective than a placebo in preventing the disease



Updated June 30, 2020 11:20 am ET



WASHINGTON—The Food and Drug Administration released guidance Tuesday outlining its conditions for approving a Covid-19 vaccine, including a requirement that any vaccine be at least 50% more effective than a placebo in preventing the disease.

The FDA said that no vaccine would be approved unless a vaccine company had “clearly demonstrated” proof of a vaccine’s safety and effectiveness through a clinical study, according to the guidance.

The FDA also said a vaccine wouldn’t be approved simply if it leads to antibodies in the bloodstream of patients, on grounds that it is not known what level of antibodies will confer protection to patients.

The FDA said it would also require a vaccine maker to conduct further monitoring of safety after any approval and recommended that people getting the vaccine be followed for a year after treatment. The summary document said that such “post-market studies” may be necessary to “further assess known or potential serious risks.”

The guidance was described by FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn in an appearance Tuesday before a Senate committee, which is holding a hearing on the steps needed to get businesses, schools and other institutions to fully reopen.

“We have not lost sight of the need to protect our regulatory independence” even during the Covid pandemic,” Dr. Hahn said. In response to senators’ questioning, Dr. Hahn said he is also optimistic that therapeutics like convalescent plasma and monoclonal antibodies will play a significant role this fall in helping people infected by Covid-19.

Developing a vaccine is a priority for the Trump administration, which has dubbed the initiative Operation Warp Speed. The FDA has vowed to use all its available authority to expedite a safe and effective Covid-19 vaccine, fueling hopes that a preventive treatment can be developed quickly.

The Wall Street Journal reported earlier that the guidance would be released Tuesday, quoting a summary of the guidance in which the FDA stated that it “will not reduce its standards or cut corners in its review to approve a vaccine.”

The FDA has sometimes been faulted for moving too quickly in the campaign to prevent and treat the virus.

At least 160 antibody tests for Covid-19 entered the U.S. market without previous FDA scrutiny in March, as the agency rushed to get them to the public quickly. Under fire, the FDA mandated stricter review.

The agency also granted emergency-use authorization for two malaria drugs, chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, for Covid-19 treatment, which it later revoked after determining both were ineffective.

Guidances are a method the FDA uses to state its policy to an industry, in this case vaccine makers. A virus vaccine could be granted approval two ways—either as a full approval or as emergency authorization.
More on the Pandemic



A full approval by the FDA would require a vaccine company to amass trial data and submit all the details to an advisory committee of outside experts, a process that typically takes months.

An emergency authorization could happen more quickly than a full FDA approval, but would still require the vaccine maker to show through a clinical study that the vaccine produced lower levels of disease.

Government and industry officials have concluded that the standards the FDA is espousing for full approval will need at least 30,000 people in a clinical trial. But since the coronavirus pandemic has flared up again in the U.S.—including in Arizona, Florida and Texas—it may well be relatively easy for companies and doctors to sign up patients eager to see if they can participate in a vaccine study that might protect them.

Write to Thomas M. Burton at tom.burton@wsj.com


https://www.wsj.com/articles/fda-to-issue-guidance-on-covid-19-vaccine-approval-11593516090

The agency also granted emergency-use authorization for two malaria drugs, chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, for Covid-19 treatment, which it later revoked after determining both were ineffective.


Just had an article on FoxNews saying that a new study showed them to be effective in treating cases ov COVID-19. You can't "follow the science", because it changes almost daily. Just like the recommendations of these various government agencies.

Ken, White, if a placebo has 0 effect, what is 50% more of 0?

That does say something. THE DAY THEY OPEN THEY GET 3 NEW CASES. No cases up till the OPENING DAY. Isn't that fishy?

You got sick a lot in the military because you were living in close proximity to a huge number of other people. Diseases spread easily when people are crowded together and especially when stressed. The military gives vaccines to prevent worse disease spread problems that could prevent our fighters from being able to fight effectively.

Keith

Right now flu shots are not mandated? If the Vaccine will protect the person getting the shot, then it shouldn't matter if I'm a not vaccinated. Isn't that how we operate with the flu now?

Exactly! The people that want to be "protected" from this "virus" will get the shot, leave us people that don't want to get it alone. If this "vaccine" works, then they have no reason to fear the people that don't get it.

Same here & good for you!

My business consists of two people, Diane and myself. Under two of our governor's orders, we were deemed essential and required to stay open if possible to do so. Covid-19 has been very good for us financially. I have talked to over 40 people, in similarly sized, related businesses that were also doing very well.

Size of business did not matter. Selling essential items or providing essential services did.

Keith

Yep I thought about that very thing Mike. BUT......we know that placeboes DO have an effect. If not, that would not be the standard that other drugs are tested against.

Just thinking out loud here but.............we know that a positive attitude toward health and recovery from...say cancer... produces better results than the opposite. I suspect that is how a placebo works on our brain. It gives us some degree of confidence that our health will improve.........and so it does in many cases.

But to address your actual question...50% of zero is still zero. At that level no treatment or vaccine would be approved

Not everyone gets immunity from a vaccine. The more people who get a vaccine, the stronger the likelihood that enough people will be protected from a virus that the virus will have a harder time spreading. This is referred to as herd immunity.

Keith

That effect is called the Placebo Effect and is a very real, provable link between mental belief in the efficacy of something and physical health.

Keith

Who says what is essential? MI kept the pot stores open. Not essential in my book. Wal-marts stayed open, essential only because they sell groceries.

Exactly, during the lockdown they kept pot and liquor stores open, but no churches.
They let BLM people protest, but they wouldn't let let people have funerals.
Doesn't this say something?

TMan anti-mask thread #354.

I saw people wearing masks yesterday, more discussion is obviously needed.

And as our population continues to grow, we will have a growing proportion of unvaccinated people while older , vaccinated people die off. Pretty soon the virus is once again able to spread through the population.

That is exactly what we are seeing with diseases we pretty much had under control...like measles....but immigration is destroying that protection

Isn't that how we operate with the flu now?

"What kind of protection does the flu vaccine offer?

How well the flu vaccine works can vary. The flu vaccine is generally more effective among people under 65 years old. Some older people and people with certain medical conditions may develop less immunity after receiving a flu shot.

Reviews of past studies have found that, on average, the flu vaccine is about 50% to 60% effective for healthy adults who are between 18 and 64 years old. The vaccine may sometimes be less effective.

Even when the vaccine doesn't completely prevent the flu, it may lessen the severity of your illness and the risk of serious complications."

Source: Mayo Clinic

People elected by citizens of the United States decided what businesses were essential. Millions of people who legally use THC for pain alleviation, to maintain an appetite while suffering from cancer and medical conditions like glaucoma strongly disagree with you about pot stores being essential.

Keith

I don't think he is talking about medical marijuana. I think he is talking about alcoholics and pot heads. Although, it does seem odd that it was ok to buy alcohol, pot, and lotto tickets but not to schedule normal dental and doctor visits for months here in Michigan.

That was more to my point, yes.

The elected people were only elected by half of their constituents base, of the small percentage that turned out to vote. I sure as heck didn't vote for or support the current governor of our state.

As I read the pros and cons of governments trying to keep everyone safe and healthy I wonder why people choose to: 1) decide it’s asking too much of everyone to wear a mask so that the vulnerable amongst us can be saved too? 2) to maliciously put their convenience ahead of the rest of us by going out in public while they’re sick, because they’re tired of staying home. 3) put themselves first without a care for anyone else.

You paint with a mighty big brush!

Chris

Is choosing to not wear a mask in public any different than Breaking the speed limit? Both may affect the safety of others.

If you see me in public without a mask on, stay away form me and I pose no risk to you.

If you're that scared to be out and about, get someone else to do it for you.

Yeah, he forgot to mention that the masks are a diabolical plot by the leftist cabal to eliminate our freedoms, end Christianity, give black people unchecked authority over whites and turn us all into transgendered mixed race libtards.

Oh and it makes Trump look bad.

From what I've seen today, the overwhelming majority of people are totally ignoring it this go-round.

( "It", as in the "it" in the picture)

I smiled when I read My Side, from Prince Edward Island in Canada, posting on an American site, like numbers of Canadians do, because in socialist Canada, they get prosecuted for coloring outside the lines. As the Big Five Eyes are interchangeable as it was when Canada was spying on Donald Trump My Side has been registered in Ottawa. Until Canadians stop the tyranny of Ottawa, it is all talk, and Ottawa knows it.
The last Canadian who challenged the crown was an American sojourner named Louis Riel. The Father of Manitoba, a champion of the Metis Peoples, as in non racist Canada, they don't put half breeds into a group by name. For Riel challenging the system, the crown hung him. Think of that about Canada, in they hung a Founding Father who dared champion freedom for Canadians.
Justin Trudeau just banned firearms in Canada, and not a word about that, but the complaint is about a mask. Make a Canadian wear a mask, and they complain like Thomas Paine. Take their guns and there is silence.

Yeah, he forgot to mention that the masks are a diabolical plot by the leftist cabal to eliminate our freedoms, end Christianity, give black people unchecked authority over whites and turn us all into transgendered mixed race libtards.

Oh and it makes Trump look bad. [/quote]
Nothing like jumping to the ridiculous ,is there?

Just asking, If your Wife worked for a Nursing Home would you still do the No mask around Public?

Masks are only recommended when social distance cannot be maintained.

I will not social distance from my wife.

Don't make our state look bad with a answer like that.....

Nothing to see here then. Keep moving.

James, is that you?

Just yesterday I was reading on here about everyone going out when they were sick just so they could spit and hack on other people because they were tired of staying home and put themselves first without a care for anyone else.

As a Healthcare provider I cannot find the words to describe the disappointment when I read some of these posts. We have more hospitalized C19 patients today than two months ago. We work long hours taking care of patients that are very sick and some die and we put ourselves and families at risk.

I sometimes wonder how many of them were exercising their freedom before they were hospitalized.

Wearing a mask and social distancing is a selfless act. Based on some of the posts I've read some of you are unfamiliar with that term. It's a shame.

I see a lot of people wearing masks, but no one really does "social distancing". Pretty much just normal personal space distance.

oneoldboot are you seeing more patients than you did a few years ago with SARS? Are more people dying now with chinese flu?

How many come in for covid vs come in for something else and test positive for covid?

Yes.

I do not have personal experience with Chinese flu, but the statistics I reviewed from the CDC reports 100K dead in the USA over ~ 2 years, so I would have to say "yes" to your second question as well.

Most, not all, but most present with respiratory distress that tests positive for symptomatic C19.

This is far from over.

i dont understand

I don't know how this movie is going to end, but I don't think even the higher risk people will hole up forever. At least a lot of them won't.

I think you're right. Can't just hide forever.

I would venture that most of the discontent stems from a lack of consensus from government medical officials. There are too many variable decrees to a Covid-family member pathogen, which itself seems to pick and chose who it effects and where.

My question remains when did virological pathogens genesis to the point of not crossing state lines or only effecting certain activities?
Talk about a "smart bug?"

No consensus of the governing or the bug and we wonder why the turmoil?

Oh, and then there's the "it's an election year" backdrop for kicks and giggles.

Bottom line, we don't have consistent medical or governmental answers on C-19.
If we did, all would be different.

As a healthcare provider what are some of the risks/complications that result from wearing a mask for extended periods of time?

One hundred thirty thousand people in the US are dead because of this virus.
And some of you guys don't give a rats behind?
Because it is inconvenient to you?
The ICUs are nearing capacity.
YOU may be one of the carriers.
So go ahead and claim your rights are being violated.
just

"The ICUs are nearing capacity. "

The cdc has information you may like to read.





CDC hospital monitoring data

You could be mistaken for a female muslim.

On the thread about herd immunity there was a video of a woman doctor, Kelly Victory. Amongst many things she said in that video was that no corona viruses have had vaccines approved for them. Doesn't seem like a vaccine for this one is very likely!

Well blow me over and call me sally

Besides, this vaccine deal is pushed by Bill Gates, who is a One Worlder, & he said himself (you can watch this on YouTube,) "I'm going to reduce the world's population from 7 billion to 500 million; we will do this by means of vaccines!" If he's going to reduce the population THAT much, why is he 'try to save the world' with his vaccine. Beside this is a flu virus, it changes, so you'll have to get new shots every year; it IS NOT deadly; it is not even very contagious; you have a 98% chance of recovery; those who have died of it already had one foot in the grave from other diseases! Why are they padding the numbers? Doctors have said they are being paid up to $40,000 for EACH patient that dies, if they put COVID on the death certificate! They have even said that if they test positive for COVID at the time of death, they go down as COVID death, even if they had died from a gunshot wound! Even with the inflated numbers, IT HAS STILL NOT KILLED AS MANY AS THE FLU!

Very, very, true.

It has killed double the yearly flu deaths in a third of the time.
May of those found dead in their homes--aren't even tested to see if the virus was the cause of their deaths.
Tom

Tom,

Perhaps the struggle is the conflicting reports from the docs, the media, and the governing.
As I mentioned on another post, this bug can't swim because the Red River between OK and TX stopped it on the Texas side.
Interesting.

When small pox wiped out the natives in this land, it was reported that one visit from an outsider could kill 1/4 to 1/2 of the exposed. That was in the prairie of our nation!
We got people not really following any rigid protocol and folks are not dying en masse.
That is really good news.

On a side note, did y'all see the meme that says 300,000 die of obesity related illness in our nation every year,
and our answer to that is to come out with...
another flavor of Doritos.

There's truth to that statement.

lol
Yeah, also they abort thousands if not millions of babies a year, and nobody cares about that.

thought this was a post on covid and masks--not abortions.
Tom

Tom,

Perhaps offer a bit of grace and understanding when some are confused as society wages a monumental effort in the name of preservation of life over here,
while they discount it over there.

I think that may be his point here.

Exactly!

Stay safe everyone, wear a mask! Don't spread COVID! Wouldn't want anyone to die!

Yet they have no problem killing babies and old people. -_-

Government policies tend to be a bit confusing. Picking winners and losers.

Might consider reading a bit more widely.

CV19 is NOT a flu virus. It is caused by a virus that is distinct from the flu virus.

I am also willing to bet you a hundred dollars...to be donated to the TMAN discretionary fund.......that you can't provide video or anything from a primary source IN CONTEXT, where Gates says he will reduce the world population down to 500 million.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52833706

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-gates-vaccinations-depopulation/

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/who...a/annual-letters-list/annual-letter-2009

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...es-did-not-outline-2018-plan-depopulate/

https://www.mythdetector.ge/en/myth/does-bill-gates-promise-us-depopulation-and-chipping

That Bill Gates crap gets old real fast. Sucks being married to Tin Foil Tina. She made me watch of video of Bill Gates saying how he wants to reduce the human population by vaccines. It wasn't there, but she still saw it.

I hope they open up the nursing homes soon. I got a patient that needs to go.

Your observation is exactly correct. I've come to expect self righteous, selfish, ignorant positions on here. Curiously, the more extreme the anti-social expression is the more likely it is that the author will be an extreme out-spoken Christian,

Jarhead

Do some research in stead if listening to the mainstream media. This "Covid" is nothing but a hoax to weasel our rights way! You can't gather, but angry mobs sure can to burn the cities down!

Very informative links ! Thank you...

As mentioned in FACT, this is what is called novel virus, not the same as flu strains.

Yes the virus is real, and as stated before, has taken many lives , and others , younger ones too, not a few have ongoing lung problems that they feel may be permanent.

Yes, the virus has been used by the left to cause political power for their agenda, just as they use everything else they can in desperation to dissolve this country.

Balanced use of experience and intelligence demands care in attempting to inform others of something that can have dire consequences for THEM, if we give them unbalanced , even mis-diagnosis content . Part of growing up from an immature child to an informed, discerning adult is refinement valued and respected .

To those who have died, their loved ones, and survivors who have suffered more extreme conditions, some even ongoing problems now, even though they are well...it IS deadly.

Author Trapper, I know you are a very young person. My saddles are older than yourself. Your calloused remarks of older ones , with "one foot in the grave " rubbed me more raw than being snapped by a Belisle .

I am not in that group of people who are susceptible to this virus, I am in good vigor of health, but I sure have ones in my life that I love, a veteran that I would be inconsolable if anything like that ever happened to this one .

Many on here have loved ones they feel the same way about.

Hopefully, when you have many more riding miles under your belt , you will have lived long enough to appreciate the older ones in your life, displaying the respect and appreciation and care for them as many here do.

Besides loved ones , relatives and friends , just to focus on our veterans alone should be enough to at least be a start of that appreciative life learning. The men who endured so much , for me, specifically WW2 and Viet Nam veterans , are among the best men to have ever lived , are priceless to me, and if one dearly loved became ill with this because of something immature and selfish that I did, even if they might live , but suffer greatly, I would be inconsolable.

Both yourself and MySide are very young to be playing "doctor" in a sandbox that is way over the heads of even virologists to figure out completely at this time.

I'll state AGAIN , in case of short attention spans, that yes this virus has been used as a political tool by the left to gain power in the upcoming election. Yes, they have ignored the terrorist mobs and protesters with not a peep of screaming about them getting the virus and commanding swift cease and desist of those mobs by strong arm force of very well funded police depts. that need to be kept that way. Tweaking numbers and stats .

IF time is taken , with adept reading comprehension, to consider the links that White17 so graciously provided , one will soak the dry sponge well in filled life fluid fed to the left side of the brain.

Do you have a link to the video? I would like to see it.

Keith

Well said Sharon!

Very good post Sharon. But my guess is,your advice-"-Is Blowin in the wind".
Tom

I agree that we need to let it ride now that we've accomplished our goal of slowing it. We will not stop it and to continue with business closures will harm more people than the virus will.

I don't care to wear a mask.
I do care about others.

I'm in the proverbial pickle position.

To all of the people who say "you must wear a mask" do you tell fat people they must lose weight?

Fat people are not going to kill you--unless they fall on you.
Your refusal to wear a mask,could very well lead to someones death.
Tom

Jarhead,
Thank you for your service to our nation (I gather from your TMan handle you served) but that said why disparage someone from standing for their belief system. Do you believe in the military? Are you proud for that tradition? If yes, go for it bro.

Some faithful in all beliefs are a bit off center, but that doesn't mean throw the baby out with that bath water. Just smile and move on from the goofy ones, true?
Because society can also put the word, "military" very easily after, "self righteous, selfish, ignorant positions" and that'd be regrettable also.

Just saying.

Blessings to you and thank you again for the service allowing us to be free to discuss topics like this openly.
Mark

Point taken.

I could kill someone driving home from work today.

I could kill someone with a forklift at work.

I could snap on my coworkers after having to wear a mask in 90 degree heat and high humidity for 14 hours a day for weeks on end because I can't breathe, can't see and get dizzy.

If you see in me in public without a mask, protect yourself and stay away.

I won't sneeze on you.

Yes Racer Man, and bowhunter, I so dislike wearing a mask. I'll never get used to seeing them no matter how cute some are made . Hardly anyone wears them in this NW area. It isn't a high risk area . Everyone does just as you mention , stay a safe distance , keep the sanitizer gel handy, and don't touch the face. Business is doing well. Minding with care the ones who are more susceptible.

I have only had to wear a mask twice so far, in privately owned businesses who are complying with the "suggestions" of the county , but they are working well and things are picking up for them fast.

Good vit D sun, fresh air, working , living life, using common sense .

I just have a soft spot for those who need TLC , so deserved .

If I were in high risk areas , I would comply with those mandates , though I will never be used to wearing masks. I have a nice one too, a leopard face and design made by a friend from Romania.

Getting the country back in the saddle to work, good economy , happiness and safety is the only way to be, as other countries and states have been doing , with success and common sense.

Heard a virologist on the radio say that wearing a mask is a waste of time....Just about every person in china wears one from the time they are born and it didnt seem to help them..

Mark, Thank your for your thoughtful reply. I certainly did not intend to include you in my above comment. Sorry for painting with too broad a brush. You have my full respect.

Jarhead

"7 tips to live a happier life

Eat nourishing food. ...
Sleep seven to eight hours a night. ...
Keep company with good people. ...
Avoid news overdose. ...
Get regular exercise. ...
Do something meaningful each day. ...
Think good thoughts for others.

May 2, 2018"

Source: Mayo clinic

10x!

Thank you; very true! Trying to keep a virus out with a mask, is like trying to keep mosquitoes out with chicken wire!

https://www.facebook.com/angie.lee....602/3619149994779890/?type=3&theater

https://youtu.be/uaSmvGce0Sg

You HAVE to watch these!

Wow, good links, ABO!

Sharon,
I meant absolutely no disrespect when I said "One foot in the grave." What I mean when I say that is those you already have multiple sicknesses and diseases, who are already on the verge of death, and a slight flu is all it takes to push them over the edge; again, zero disrespect intended!

Why do you seem surprised ?

They were posted from your own IP address.

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Both yourself and MySide are very young to be playing "doctor" in a sandbox that is way over the heads of even virologists to figure out completely at this time.
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I am not acting on my own authority, nor pretending to be. All the info I refer to is from professional doctors and those who follow politics closely.
https://www.youtube.com/user/drbuttar

Look up David Icke as well. They exorcise much more authority than I do.

With respect,
AuthorTrapper.

You sir, have my full respect as well. That will never waver or be deterred. Period. End of paragraph.

I never served in the military, as Vietnam ended a few years ahead of my high school graduation, and as a young college kid, I felt utter empathy for those in uniform who sacrificed for our nation, because the clowns were out in full force in the 70's. Closest I ever came to getting my butt royally handed to me, was when I suggested to a few dudes one day in Ann Arbor, at U of M, that they sack and bury their attitude, as they harassed a female service member.

Now the clowns probably have well paying, tenured professorships at universities of "higher" learning.
My carnal self would still like to find those 3 clowns and see how they aged. I still work pretty good for my age. I bet they did not.
"Alright carnal, that's about enough."

You might want to look a bit more closely at DR Buttar

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashid_Buttar

And your 'authority' David Icke

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

I appreciate your respectful response, AT. Again, this NOVEL virus is NOT the flu.

I have known a number of susceptible people actually hang in there many more years than expected. Even with active cancers, and when you love someone with the depth of power that only decades of living can hone for someone, every day is something dearly appreciated .

Every veteran who leaves this life is yet another immense volume of amazing experiences , stories, and the love for them that is so tragically lost.

Between my father , long gone, a seven times decorated WW2 veteran dog fighter and gunner, who taught me to pilot a DC3 at 16 years old, to the veteran in my life that I love more than my own existence, I just have a tremendous soft spot for them , and all people of such richness in living colour.

If men like these got shot at, shot up, shot out of their planes and choppers for our freedom, the least we all can do is to protect them , and if that means being careful , yes and even wearing a mask when needed , or in a hot spot of illness, that's the least I can do.

That has nothing to do with the politicizing of this virus , or the attempted control of the people from socialist left state governors and mayors. I'm well aware of all that and will never comply with wearing anything they want to push, nor any other ideology along with them.

Your thought and response shows that you had heart in motivation, and I do appreciate that. Thank you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZi__gz7_Mo
What about the contaminated q-tips they used for covid testing? Oh, what a 'tragic mistake!'

Why are 81% of tests "False positives?"

This is an interesting look as well! https://youtu.be/os63_osqIzo

This whole Covid scenario is just weird. Weird. There are valid reasons for all sorts of action, so we're all confused.
Our daughter works in the pulmonary unit in Fort Worth and told Donna yesterday about some goofy deal where the testing they do goes into some database, and comes out counted twice? I have no idea what/where/how/which/where because it seems there is no consensus about C-19 after months.

It's Trump's fault!

"Why do you seem surprised ?

They were posted from your own IP address."


Yes, I could feel that -relative , brother, etc.

Funny how it "seems" as a surprise ...

The puppy who's feet are on the computer keyboard is fitting...

Sharon,

I just think that folks don't have clarity on the situation, so we're doing the best we can. No one wants to harm another person. It's such a vast situation with families, jobs, and all the rest, that a more concise direction from the medical officials would be helpful.

I have prayed God's Will be done in this country and I trust in His Purpose for all of it.
Pestilence has caused great suffering, hardship, and anxiety, and we wish it weren't so anymore.

Blessings!
Mark

The video you posted makes no mention of 81% of anything.

You might also note that the WP reporter specifically says that no one is making the case that the contamination was deliberate.

So what's your point ?

I heard from a funeral director the other day at a outing that he has worked on Covid-19 related bodies that had the death counted in three counties. The county that their hospital was is, the funeral homes county, and the deceased's home county. He stated that this is a common practice, has anyone else heard of this.

David Icke: quite the role model for a young person.


Icke believes that an inter-dimensional race of reptilian beings called the Archons have hijacked the earth and are stopping humanity from realising its true potential.[15][20] He claims they are the same beings as the Anunnaki, deities from the Babylonian creation myth the Enûma Eliš, and the fallen angels, or Watchers, who mated with human women in the Biblical apocrypha.[131]

He believes that a genetically modified human/Archon hybrid race of shape-shifting reptilians, known as the "Babylonian Brotherhood" or the Illuminati, manipulate global events to keep humans in constant fear, so the Archons can feed off the 'negative energy' this creates.[15][132] In The Biggest Secret (1999), Icke identified the Brotherhood as descendants of reptilians from the constellation Draco, and said they live in caverns inside the earth.[133]

Icke said in an interview:

"When you get back into the ancient world, you find this recurring theme of a union between a non-human race and humans – creating a hybrid race."

"From 1998, I started coming across people who told me they had seen people change into a non-human form. It's an age-old phenomenon known as shape-shifting. The basic form is like a scaly humanoid, with reptilian rather than humanoid eyes."

A bit much.

But common sense is a useful tool. A buddy and I were planning on fishing tomorrow morning. He called me this morning and said he has been in contact with someone who may be infected. That person is waiting on test results. We decided we'd go fishing some other time.

"I am not acting on my own authority, nor pretending to be. All the info I refer to is from professional doctors and those who follow politics closely.
https://www.youtube.com/user/drbuttar

Look up David Icke as well. They exorcise much more authority than I do.

With respect,
AuthorTrapper.[/quote]





Look up David Icke as well. They exorcise much more authority than I do.

With respect,
AuthorTrapper.[/quote]"





I saw that link . I am familiar with that sort of diagnosing. Which still did not address the specific subject at hand, including the testimonials from patients with other issues. I got the overall glossing of theoretical belief system being expressed .

The plethora of medical info on the net is long and caution is more than warranted without actual experience in such field. Looking into the undercurrent of sources can have enlightening understanding .

Again, you both are very young , reasoning with adults on the forum who have hands on experience many subjects , that if you listen to such ones, you can up your learning curve massively .

You know what you went through when you first joined here . It took some hard yanks on the reins by Mr Paul to turn you from your gallop over the proverbial cliff.

You, and your brother/s, have the unique opportunity to become fast matured , respectful young men who don't argue , but really taking in wisdom, or to stay only in a single dimension realm of thought , and to save face, stay that way, arguing .

Mark, I do appreciate that , hence the adding to this unfocused situation with further off the target leanings, with added staged "surprise " backup, thoughts that do not portray love and protection to the vulnerable in the way they were worded , received the attention asked for.

In not wanting to harm another person, articulation of thought to that clear effect would be helpful.

Possibly, this sandbox just might help to that end.

I'm not sure what the response ^^^^^ means, but who would wake up in any morning and say, I want to hurt others today. I don't believe it happens among anyone sane.
We are the free"ist" nation on earth and the pandemic has cloaked that freedom. That's the angst IMO, rather than a conscious effort to hurt others.

I have far too much of a science background and it probably clouds my thinking, but I know one thing for certain; viruses get around real well. This one has traveled the globe. If we don't want to get it, we'll probably have to quarantine until it goes away, or there is a vaccine of some worth.

Who knows, right?
That goofball Fauci sure doesn't. He's had more theories, even on a new virus, so we give him some running room, than Carter's got pills (my dad's old saying).

I hope all stay safe. We are a very unhealthy nation held together by great medicine, so some are more at risk than others.
To them, we wish for only a good outcome.

White17, respectfully, here is a link to a video a friend sent me. https://youtu.be/C2Mdf_1LuZI It is not the video I remember seeing, but it comes close. This one is a lot longer: https://youtu.be/JaF-fq2Zn7I

Sharon, please understand I was not trying to argue with anyone. I simply gave our family's (and almost everyone we know's) opinion of this fiasco, and tried to present as much evidence as I could to back it up. No disrespect intended.

With that, I remove myself from this topic.
Thank you,
AuthorTrapper.

Thanks Anthony. I'm sure if you listen carefully you can tell he is talking about reducing CO2 to zero. He specifically mentions reducing human population BY 10-15 percent from the current level. Not reducing it to 500 million.

More careful listening reveals that he proposes reducing population by three mechanisms.

1. New vaccines
2. Health care
3. Reproductive health services.

Nowhere is he proposing reduction of population by using a vaccine that eliminates people.

Thanks for posting those videos. The longer one is, IMO, very interesting and fairly logical. I agree with a lot of it. BUT, I disagree with the basic premise that CO2 drives an increase in temperature. I believe that a lot of research by people who really understand the physics and the chemistry, has shown that CO2 lags temperature rather than leading temperature.
Does this mean we shouldn't pursue some or even all the things he is talking about ? No. I think there is value in much of what he says.

One key thing that he mentions more than once is that PRIVATE companies and MARKET economics should be involved in these projects. In fact, private industry should be the driving force. Not government. IMO

Back to population and health care for a second: I don't know how much of Gates you have listened to or if you have read his stuff. But When he talks about improving health and healthcare, he believes....and he may be right.......that family size world wide will decline if the health of each person is improved. In some African countries people may have ten kids because they need to......or they THINK they need to because infant mortality is high. So if they have ten kids they may actually have three survive to help provide a living for the family.

We did the same thing in this country. When this was an agrarian nation, families were larger than they are now. In fact, we even cleaned out orphanages and put the kids on trains and sent them west where farmers took them in as family members. It provided them with homes and was another source of labor.

As medicines were made available here, and farm equipment replaced human labor, healthcare became better, nutrition improved, childhood mortality was reduced. Those things and more drove down the reproductive rates of American families. A couple came to realize that if they were moderately successful at just keeping the family unit fed and sheltered, that each member of the family was better off if the family was smaller. More assets were divided by fewer mouths because each pair of hands was more productive.

That is what Gates is saying.

If African families no longer believe they need to have 10 kids, because more will survive due to healthcare, reproductive services, and yes vaccines..........then the birth rate will eventually drop, as will the population of the planet as a whole. We have proof right here that that process actually works.

I don't see anything wrong with that goal nor do I see any shady conspiracy or ulterior motives behind what he is proposing.

OK Anthony ....your brother's using your home IP address to add weight didn't help at all.

Your care in reading white17's reasoning can advance you 1,000 fold .

The likelihood of some not discerning at all his shared info will be expected from those who see beneath the surface.

Of course you will not remove yourself from the topic .

The info white17 has so graciously given the bandwidth to consider takes time in deepest thought to absorb.

Wear a mask. Protect others from you. 80 percent of the people are a symptomatic. I deal with COVID everyday. It’s not about you wearing a mask. It’s about protecting others. You can have the virus and not know it. Unless you are tested you don’t know.

My daughter most probably had COVID back in February, got it on a plane between Beijing and Moscow. All three of them got it - her, grandson 1 year old, granddaughter 7 years old.

The past couple weeks, she's gotten really sick with a lot of symptoms similar to COVID so she went in and got tested. It came back negative. My wife told her to make sure she gets tested for Lyme disease as well. (Wife has had Lyme twice, says the symptoms are very similar). So she got tested for Lyme as well, also came back negative. The doctor told her that people should be exposing themselves to COVID so they get the antibodies, just like back in the day when some kid got chicken pox, all the mothers would bring their kids over to get exposed so they got chicken pox and got the antibodies. COVID is the same way says this doctor.

A week passes and she's still sick. She goes to another doctor yesterday, he took one look at her and told her she had Lyme disease, clear as a bell. She gets tested, sure enough test comes back positive.

Guys this isn't like connecting your car to a computer to tell what's wrong. It's not an exact science and most of the times the doctors are just guessing and trying to figure things out. Tests sometimes work and sometimes they don't. They are really guessing on this COVID thing, and I guarantee you that a year or two from now we are going to look back on this and realize how stupid it all was and how little we know about it.

Nonsense. If you don't have it, how are you protecting people from you? And if you have it, you have no business going out, that's what quarantine is for. Speaking of quarantine, we do not quarantine well people, only sick people, so why do people think they need to be quarantined when they are well?

This whole mask thing is biased against those of us who have already had it. I can't give it and I can't get it, so why should I be forced to wear a mask? This whole mask thing is stupid.

Read Pete's post again. You can carry the virus and not have symptoms. That answers your first paragraph of questions.

Your post makes his point further. There are so many factors at play, we aren't MDs and we don't know what we don't know. Take the advise of medical professionals and wear a mask, on top of social distancing and hand washing. Keep it simple.

https://youtu.be/wegZJI6NvpU

Bingo^^^

Good post. Our ambulance crew was told the same thing last spring.

Thank you! I have a brother and a sister who are EMTs and their entire crew thinks this is BS!

Q mark

Who knows, right?
That goofball Fauci sure doesn't. He's had more theories, even on a new virus, so we give him some running room, than Carter's got pills (my dad's old saying).Q

I'm surprised at that statement from you mark.

IIRC Fauci has said
this virus will get worse.
It has.
This virus will probably mutate.
It has.
Wearing a mask will help control the virus.
It has

Theories or were they warning of possibilities from an expert?

I take what you say about trapping as coming from an expert.
If it doesn't work for me in my situation are you a goofball?
just

Q author trapper

"Thank you! I have a brother and sister who are EMTs and their entire crew thinks this is BS! "

I have 4 doctors who don't think this is BS.
my primary physician
my cardiologist
my oncologist
my ENT dr
They are so concerned that I also receive 2 different calls a month to check on my health and well being.
I tell all of them I am following guidelines and doing fine.
just