Is America Heading For Civil War? Of Course It Is…

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Is America Heading For Civil War? Of Course It Is…


Survival Update Team News and SHTF Events, Uncategorized 13 July 2020, 10:10 AM No Comments 1
In my home state of Montana, there has been a surge of people trying to escape the chaos and oppression of leftist states.

Some are here because of the pandemic and the harsh restrictions they had to endure during the first lockdowns. Others are here because they can’t stand the hostility of identity politics, cancel culture, and race riots. Either way, they are fleeing places with decidedly leftist influences.

Uprooting and moving to an entirely new place is not an easy thing to do, especially in the middle of a pandemic. For many people, such an idea would have been unthinkable only a few years ago. Believe me, moving to a place like the Rocky Mountain Redoubt is not an easy transition for most. Hopefully, these people understand that they will have to make extensive preparations for the rough winter and be ready to work hard in the spring and summer months to survive. Maybe they don’t realize yet how tough it is here; maybe they know and don’t care.

That’s how bad the situation has become – Rational and reasonable people are willing to leave behind their old life and risk it all to keep a margin of freedom.

In my view, it is clear that the political left has gone so far off the rails into its own cultism that there is no coming back. There can be no reconciliation between the two sides, so we must separate, or we must fight. I advocate for separation first for a number of reasons:

First and foremost, conservatives are the primary producers within American culture. If we leave the leftists to their own devices there is a chance they will simply implode in on themselves and eat each other because they have no idea how to fill the production void. The recent developments in the defunct CHAZ/CHOP autonomous zone are a perfect example. Those people don’t have the slightest clue what they are doing and it shows.

Second, if conservatives separate it provides a buffer that helps defuse future random conflicts. When you force the two sides into a box together eventually they will find a reason to try to kill each other. Putting some distance between them and us reduces the angst.

Third, if the leftists decide they don’t like that we have separated and are thriving on our own, and they attempt to antagonize or attack us where we live, then we hold the clear moral high ground when we smash them to pieces in response.

I fully realize that the third outcome is the most likely. War is probably inevitable. Why? Because collectivists and narcissists are never satisfied. They desire unlimited control over the lives of others and they will use any means to get that control no matter how destructive. Separating from them is only a stop-gap that allows us to take a superior position. Through peaceful migration, we set the pace of the conflict. Eventually, they will come after us, and there will be no doubt about our response then. There will be no way to spin the result in their favor, no way for them to play the victims.

Some people might question if we are actually to the point of open conflict; they might accuse me of “doom-mongering”. Others may argue that conservatives are acting “passive” and that we will never take any action. These assumptions are common right now because such people do not understand how history progresses and how group psychology evolves.

Domestic war is not something pursued lightly, or haphazardly. The average person knows at least subconsciously that it’s better to seek resolution or to remain patient as events unfold. Conservatives aren’t stupid; we know that before any civil war there is first a culture war. And, we know that the cards are stacked against us and that if we act rashly in any way we will lose position in that culture war.

So, we let the leftists spit and rage like madmen for a little while. Each day people who were on the fence when it comes to the culture war are witnessing this and come over to our side because we’re the only side that is sane. The drawback is, there comes a point in which calm professionalism might be wrongly perceived as weakness. And when people sense weakness among conservatives, they might run into the arms of the extreme left thinking that it’s safer to join the “winning team”.

I believe conservatives have not been sucked into a reactionary stance yet because they are thinking logically and refusing to play the game for now. In some ways, it is how we enter the fight that is more important than the fight itself. To understand why, we have to look at the bigger picture beyond the left/right conflict.

As I noted last week, the political left is a tool for a greater agenda. They are being used as a weapon of chaos by globalist interests. This is not “conspiracy theory”, this is a conspiracy fact. Millions of dollars have poured into Antifa and BLM related groups through elitist donors like George Soros and his Open Society Foundation as well as the Ford Foundation. Globalist institutions like these have been influencing the extreme left and promoting identity politics for DECADES. This is openly admitted. What we are witnessing in 2020 is simply the culmination of a half-century-long propaganda campaign that created the modern feminist movement, victim group status, entitlement culture, etc.

The reason for the agenda should be obvious: Chaos creates fear. Fear creates division and crisis. And, crisis creates opportunity (as globalist Rahm Emanuel once bragged). Meaning, the extreme left is going to start a war because that’s exactly what the global elites created them for.

Now, some might suggest that this places conservatives in a Catch-22 position; if we don’t fight back then we will look weak. We will be culturally isolated and eventually overrun and wiped from the history books. If we do fight back we will be giving the globalists what they want – A civil war that will tear America apart.

The suggestion by certain special interests will be that there is only one way out; use government power to turn the tide to our advantage. In other words, institute martial law. I don’t really see it that way.

Once we understand that a fight is coming regardless, our task is to position ourselves with the most advantage possible while keeping our culture and our principles intact. This includes our belief in constitutionalism, civil liberties, and opposition to tyranny in ANY form. Winning the fight is important, but maintaining our principles in the process is more important. Becoming a monster to fight the monster is the same as losing.

When the left comes for us (and they will), the fight has to be won by us, not government. We cannot hand even more power to government in the name of security. We cannot become the fascists the leftists accuse us of being.

I am often asked these days about my view of the 2020 election and how it will turn out. I did predict Trump’s election win in the summer of 2016 based on the idea that Trump’s presence in the White House would drive the left insane, as well as give the globalists a perfect “conservative” scapegoat for the economic collapse they had been engineering since at least 2008.

Trump’s cabinet of global elitists suggests his complacency in this plan. We still live under a one-party system pretending as if it is a two-party paradigm.

Furthermore, I am not convinced there will even be an election in November. With pandemic lockdowns surely returning as infections spike once again, the US economy will be in ruins by winter. Voting in a traditional fashion will be difficult or restricted in some states. And, mail-in or digital ballots will not be accepted by most conservatives because of their history of being used to rig election outcomes.

Look at it this way: If Trump “wins”, or delays the election, the left will riot and a civil war will be triggered. Conservatives will have to deal with the violence of the left while also dealing with the potential for martial law (which we cannot tolerate or support either). If Biden “wins”, it will be perceived by many conservatives who still think elections matter as a stolen presidency engineered through fraudulent ballot practices.

To summarize, if Trump is still in the White House in 2021, get ready to fight back against leftist mobs as well as martial law measures. If you believe in freedom, realize that fake conservatives that support government tyranny will be as much a problem as Marxist lefties. If Biden enters the White House, expect him to immediately implement unconstitutional policies including medical tyranny, gun confiscation, and martial law. Either way, it ends in war.

It’s also the classic false choice narrative: You can choose Marxism and communism, or you can choose fascism. Communism being the elevation of the weak and the oppression of the strong in the name of arbitrary “equality”, and fascism being the elimination of the weak or less fortunate in the name of making more room for the strong. Both sides rely on totalitarian government to assert dominance, and both sides benefit the elitist establishment. The great con is that there is no third option when there is; the non-aggression principle, citizen defense, voluntarism, and freedom.

Frankly, I almost prefer a scenario in which Biden and the left are perceived as stealing the election. At least then conservatives will be fully united once again and ready to fight, instead of passively relying on a Pied Piper like Trump to save them.

The truth is, in 2020-2021 we stand at a massive nexus point in human history. We are spiraling into a decade and a fight that will decide the fate liberty for the next century or more. On one side stands the global elites and the useful idiots on the hard left. They will push for a collectivist system that erases all memory of the Constitutional Republic we once knew, and they will get help from fake conservatives that value power over principle. On the other side stands the people that just want to be left alone; the free minds, the people that don’t need or desire to have power over anybody.

If humanity is to have a future at all, the second group must continue to exist and prosper. They are the wellspring that feeds us, that gives us something to hope for. If the elites and the social justice mob take control, there can be no future for our species. They desire what they cannot and should not have. They value only what they can take from others. They have a hunger that can never be satiated. They will devour the world until there is nothing left while claiming they stand for the “greater good”. War cannot be avoided with such people; the only question is, will liberty-minded people stay the course and stick by their principles or will they fall to their darker impulses to ensure victory?

This limbo BS will need to change and when it does it won’t be pretty but may be needed to save the Nation from ruin. This lawlessness and destruction need to end and end soon.

The longer it’s allowed to continue the bigger the backlash will be when it’s decided to stop it. I don’t believe we’ve seen the worst of it yet.

All Lives Matter..

Gonna have to separate the races as well. Blacks are jumping whites and beating them without knowing a thing about them....except that they're vulnerable old men, ladies, and young boys.

In my mind its looking a lot like when Joseph Stalin took a collapsed Soviet Union and gave urban types the go ahead to plunder rural types who didnt get on board with handing over everything they had to fuel an industrial revolution. Didnt end so well for the ones "like us".

The last few years, I didn’t carry a whole lot. Usually had a piece in my vehicle or in a drawer at the shop. Nowadays, I either have one on me or within hands reach most times. I won’t look for trouble, but I refuse to let me or mine be a victim because I wasn’t prepared. As this goes on, they will encounter more prepared people and it won’t end well for them. Unfortunately, the politicians DA’s mayors judges and governors are prosecuting the people who defend themselves.

You already are at war.
Look at the wars around the world.
They aren't what they used to be.

You can go to a fancy mall in most of these war torn countries if you're in the right spot, war is only happening "over there". Much of the war torn countries on earth are largely fairly safe and modern if you stick to the right areas, people vacation to literally every country on earth to this day.

That's what's happening in the US. Easy to overlook the madness when it's not around you.

It's why it's impossible to end cell based wars (*Cells of soldiers, not cellphones) they spread out, they operate semi-independently. Sleepers everywhere. but modernity lets them mingle and plan.

They will have to be eliminated as well.

I hear the Horn of Africa is nice this time of year... I dont dissagree with you just couldnt resist.

He is pretty much spot on with his predictions IMHO. I think it will get real interesting around Christmas time. I am probably a year late with my preparations as usual

I wish I could see this getting resolved in another way but I am not that smart.
I stop short of advocating a lot of things, but I sure as (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) wont loose any sleep when a traitor gets what's coming to him or her.

We'll I like being in the Republican party . We have a 3 to 1 in total guns owned over the Democrats

I lived through the 60s and that's what they thought after Vietnam I thought it would be 10 years before it got this bad again. Heck its been 30 years plus we are gaining ground!!!

Yes we do --- but I can only shoot 1 (maybe 2) at a time. I only take the place of about 12 democrats. +/-.

You might wish you were still at sea

Y'all need to stop watching the NEWS. Trust me, you won't miss a thing. The media are the Propaganda arm of the DNC. What you are perceiving as to what is going on in this Country is not even close to reality. These are desperate people who know that they are losing power in a big way. They have sent out their paid minions to stir up trouble. That is all they have left.
They are running Joe Biden for President. Think about that for a minute. Joe Biden. He cannot even remember his own name. Remember when he said, "The Obiden Bama Administration"? They know that he can't win, just as they also know that all of the socialist leftists from the Democrat primaries could not win. Biden is the consummate Trow-away candidate. Why waste a good candidate on an election that you cannot win? Klobuchar declined consideration as VP because she knows that Biden can't win and does not want to taint her run for President in 2024.
You can play both chess and checkers on the same board, but its always a good idea to know ahead of time which game you are playing.
Trump is not playing checkers.
One last question. Have you spoken to anyone who voted for Trump in 2016 who said they would not vote for him in 2020? I'll bet not.
I will bet that there are a lot of folks who didn't show up to vote for Trump in 2016 because they did not believe that he could ever deliver on his many campaign promises.
I am certain that those folks are not now thinking, "Finally Joe Biden. Someone I can get behind and support."

A lot of food for thought. I can only pray you are right.

I will take anything after what we got now, nothing but lies, greed and narcissism the worst America has ever had.

Sheepherder's disease?

I am for peaceful resolution, when such peace can be obtained. A civil war is the last thing rational people want to see occur. The real danger of a civil war, in the US, is that the rest of the world will demand that it be stopped. We have a huge military arsenal, including nuclear weapons, that many countries would fear falling into the wrong hands. That would at least be the “reasoning” and argument for intervention by a foreign power(s) and/or the UN. I am all for putting a good ole Savell-style slap-down on these rioting thugs. And, I think it needs to be done sooner rather than later. How that is achieved MUST follow the rules of law and order though. The world is watching, and many who watch plan for the destruction of America, while those inside our country work with them to achieve this goal. I expect the far-left to call upon other nations to assist them, just as in other civil wars/revolutions throughout the world. We should not underestimate our enemy or their resolve. They desire destruction and we must stand to preserve the freedom we love. Prepare for that day, pray for guidance.

So Trump leads your flock, Trump is my Shepherd, I shall not question the lies, I will follow as directed and on and on. Hey Benson think what you want but your not much of a cyber bully. Try it with some grade school kids you will have more luck. I love my country but have seen way to many good people go home in body bags to take any kinda war light across the sea or at home because of bad politics and a few with their finger on the trigger. Nuff said

So you have caught a case of Trump derangement syndrome- it happens. Try some corn starch of diaper powder but do NOT think anyone around here will take you seriously when you mention honesty.


Tell me who the dems offered up last election to beat Donald Trump. Could you really be so simple as to think Mrs. Clinton would offer you any type of honesty? Or could it be that like the talking heads on TV, you think nobody will call you out on BS like that. Sorry, you are playing in the wrong sandbox.

Then, IMO- you go basically full libtard talking about war. War is horrible no matter where it is fought- I would never debate you on that because you are right.

But, lets look at the last election that has your panties wadded up. Hillary Clinton & Barack Obama had a choice to reinforce Stevens position and they chose not to. Then, they put out some BS and now totally debunked narrative about how peace loving muslims who only wanted to graze sheep and mutilate young women were suddenly angered by a video which sparked off an attack of the American consulate in Benghazi. In the end- she said "what difference does it make".

I for one think it makes a difference. I think a lot of people went to the polls to make sure that a woman with that little of regard for American lives would NEVER become president. If you cared so about good people going home in body bags, then where is your outrage? Do you use it all up on Trump and sweat your brain so much it is about to quit working?


I am saying I think your post was quite hypocritical but I have an open mind. If you can set me straight and defend Mrs Clinton or even Joe "My kid is lootting Ukrainian oil but its not a conflict of interest" Biden get after it. I will be watching for your response danvee.

FOX NEWS showed Biden with 49% of the vote, Trump 40%.
The democrats want Biden to win, but his running mate will be the president after Biden is removed from office for incompetence due to dementia.

Don't forget the quid pro quo they tried to pin on Trump and came up short for lack of evidence.

Then there's ole Joe on tape talking about how he got the prosecutor who was looking into Hunter Biden's dealings with Ukrainian oil. He admits to telling the Ukrainian president if he wanted to see any money from the US, he'd better do something about the prosecutor. Then Biden says, "SOB, within 8 hours the prosecutor gets fired!" Evidence on tape! Yet, the main stream media ignores it.

Trump is giving the election and senate to the democrats and our guns will go with it. Obama started the executive order stuff, trump topped it 2 fold and can't say anything to calm the civil unrest just another reason to take our guns and more freedom. The pot keeps getting stirred and it will cost us all. They all lie and not defending them but we have in my opinion been worse off with him and he needs to listen to his advisors, but every time they disagree they are down the road. I wonder why the Republican party is even starting to fight him now Republicans against Trump its not going good.

This sucks to say... But it's where i'm at today with all this...

But is there any doubt that in the next months before the election America doesn't have another disaster or two? My guess is a large scale mass shooting? But it wouldn't shock me if something worse happened, bombs even... They are ready for it, and their response is ready, it will be how they try and take a final swing at Trump before the election, knocking down what's "happened under his watch" or "how poorly the WH reacted to it" They'll call for big bans, they want the electorate riled up as close as possible to the election.

It's crazy out there, and with all this time left pre-election there is no way they've stopped escalating!

How many people have died so far in protests on both sides this year? Might wanna get ready to add a zero

Republicans are starting to side with the Democrats on this BLM crap or staying mute and not supporting Trump. Cowards caving into the mob.

You know one of the things that truly makes America great? We don't take up sides and slaughter each other over our differences.

Throwing around the idea of civil war is childish and downright stupid. Those who entertain these notions and fantasize about turning this country onto a war torn third world don't need to read encouraging commentary from the likes of us.

So true it is one of the reasons I always was grateful for not living in a banana republic. Its time for some cool heads and leadership

Did you forget about the recent riots killing 80 some people and causing million of dollars in damages over so called differences leaving these democratic cities looking like worn torn third world cities.

Of course not. I'd like to not see it get blown up into a civil war. What you describe would be a good day in a city in one of the war torn countries in the middle east. I dont trust that we wouldn't wind up there if this "civil war" takes place. We're not taking about a well planned and executed military operation or something.

I'd suggest a vacation to the horn of Africa or the middle east if you want a preview of civil war. And you will see the difference between riots and warfare.

The “revolutionaries” have already declared and started their civil war. If they don’t simmer down, us Americans are gonna have to exercise our Constitutional rights to preserve freedom and the Republic. Our freedom was won, and it will be defended. The “left” needs to get “woke” to that idea.

We'll just sit and wait then until Democrats show cool heads and leadership.

Where ya been? We got no leadership.

I don't think there's anyone left who's cut out for providing leadership in a time like this. McCain is the last I can think of. Trump, love him or hate him, is not a unifying force. Biden might not actually be aware of what is going on.

If Biden wins I am shutting down my company as I am not going to pay taxes to that bunch of idiots.

McCain was a dem......

You can call him a democratic or what ever you want but he fought in Vietnam was a POW he was a brother and an American because of it and was called a looser by Trump. Donnie H what have you done for your country??

They're not really on your side either. 2 party system is broke.

Spot on.

The two party system is indeed broke.

Don't worry, you can vote for the candidate that is spawned from this rioting, anger and BLM come 2024....
That should fix it......

I don't see any way the Democrats put their genie back in the bottle at this point, they've shown us exactly what they are. They were lying to us all along and most of us knew it. I'm afraid we're going to have to fight if we're to salvage the America we've known. I'm willing to do just that.

This civil war fantasy stuff must be the result of some kind of arrested development.

Get out there and get after it and see what happens. It's not going to play out like the Hollywood movie in your head.

I say that because I'm very disappointed that Pres. Trump isn't getting support by the Republican Party in D.C.
And everyone knows that the Democrat party is self-destructing.

Ever since McCain gave that famous thumbs down vote on repealing Obamacare, I stopped liking him. A spiteful move on his part.

Gary, he won't get support. He's not part of the establishment. That's why they all wanted him out as soon as he got in. Both sides are corrupt and do not have us in their best interest. Trump is postponing things. They don't like it.

Y'all are giving the Democrat voter way too much credit.

Now this is spot on!

Danvee...I've worked since I was a teenager and paid taxes to help keep up all those who
are artist...draws a check and never has had to work. Get their " check" every month.
They seem to be the 1s who has time to burn down their cities and loot what the working man
has. I respect vets and always will...


Donnie

So what you're saying is.....................there's (not) a chance.....
I think you're right. It's just a matter of time.

There's always a chance. It's not going to come from a politician though, so we need to stop looking for one to save the day. WE THE PEOPLE is our chance.

Sessions going down hard on the primary, 2-1. Another swamper bites the dust!

Not to sound like a broken record but a Convention of States should be tried first. If said Convention and what comes out of it is not followed, that's the time to pick up arms.

A ? Was asked. What has Donald Trump done for his country. Ran for president and won. Kept his campaign promises. Fighting the career corrupt DC gang. Boy is he going to fight for us this fall to get re elected. John McCain wasn’t called a looser for being a vet. He was a looser because he became a career politician and used the tax payers to fill his coffers. That is why he is a looser. And so many in DC

Watch the HBO documentary. The White House circus. You will here and see the hate for Trumpvfrom Democrats and republicans. Trump disrupted there organized crime ring

Perfect

Look at us now look at them, half of them dont even know if they are boys or girls. We have got this. They only way we lose is if we do nothing.

Who's they? Where do you draw the line? All Dem voters? Non-Christians? You'd better clarify before you get out there guns blazing. Don't want no chaos.

Think for a minute what you're suggesting. Killing your fellow Americans. War.

This is a vile discussion and the most anti-american thing I can think of. Snap out of it.

"They" are easy to pick out.

let god sort em out.

BLM and ANTIFA (Democrats) don't seem to have a problem killing fellow Americans do they?

“They” are the socialist/ communist like Antifa, BLM, etc. who want to overthrow this country and start anew with their ideas of what a society should be with only their ways as the only way. They don't care who or what they destroy or even killing people as long as long as they get it.

This guy seems to think things are going to blow up before or after the election. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLbbyf349Is

I am not convinced an all out civil war is actually the only way.

I cant help but wonder if some strategic targets like say armed protesters demanding money wouldn't off course be a great place to start, but also I think the anti American approve the mobs while attempting to prosecute anyone who stands up to them DAs like the one in St Louis would run the risk of being a 2nd but very quick set of follow ups.


I cant help but wonder if the rest of them would step back and have a 'duh huh' moment