Spreading across the nation. The china consulate they shut down was facilitating these insurrections, a few days after they closed that consulate the insurrections spread to many more cities....
Spreading across the nation. The china consulate they shut down was facilitating these insurrections, a few days after they closed that consulate the insurrections spread to many more cities....
Americans have become so complacent in the past 35 yrs they don't even realize what's happening right now.
Very true, close to open insurrection going on some places.....could turn the corner any day now. I would imagine the feds are trying to shut down the $ flow which is supporting this.
So can the people defend themselves without getting arrested? Seems it's now a lawless city.
that is my question ?
I guess they will send out a detective in the morning to take down the story. so you better have your ducks in a row , he was inside you were backed into a corner and had no options left.
Wow...... If the law abiding citizens continue to vote for liberal officials in these cities, they deserve what they get. I hate to say that, but...... It's hard not to. You get what you vote for
Wow...... If the law abiding citizens continue to vote for liberal officials in these cities, they deserve what they get. I hate to say that, but...... It's hard not to. You get what you vote for
It's a wonder the average citizen or business owner hasn't defended property and killed more of these dirtbags up until now. Or it's entirely possible they have, but it's been kept quiet.
If the protesters got sprayed with bird shot everytime they burned a business or blocked a road, they'd go back to staying at home and being angry.
It's a wonder the average citizen or business owner hasn't defended property and killed more of these dirtbags up until now. Or it's entirely possible they have, but it's been kept quiet.
If the protesters got sprayed with bird shot everytime they burned a business or blocked a road, they'd go back to staying at home and being angry.
This is what happens when a "progressive" Left based city council/Mayor run the police department. And Seattle isn't alone here. I think we will se a lot of big cities burn. But remember...the voters voted these people in.
It's going to get real interesting here. This is just the beginning.
Here's an excerpt from the essay James Madison wrote explaining his words he wrote in the bill of rights a couple years earlier.
"Govt is instituted to protect property of every sort, as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of Gov't, that is a just Gov't which impartially secures to every man whatever his own."
The letter says the police won't respond to property crimes. Life safety protection remains in effect, according to the letter.
Jim
so if the punks are burning your car on the street it's ok but if they are burning in the driveway where it could catch the house on fire and you can't easily move your elderly mother from the house with her oxygen in the presence of fire?
one turns in the other in less time than it takes to make a 911 call.
if response time was already running 18 minutes as Seattle PD Chief Best stated , you were already on your own.
Do we have a lawyer among us who can explain how these cities and municipalities are going to avoid getting sued out of existence? And they shouldn't be allowed to pass their legal costs onto the insurance companies. Cities have assets. Politicians have assets. They need to be auctioned off to pay for all the damage they've caused. They want their cities destroyed? Let's help them destroy their cities through the courts.
“They’d been participating in these protests almost every day for the past 50 days,” Sheila Foster said. “He was doing it because he feels really strongly about justice, and he’s very heavily against police brutality, and he wanted to support his fiancee.”
who is feeding them??????????????????????????????????
Do we have a lawyer among us who can explain how these cities and municipalities are going to avoid getting sued out of existence? And they shouldn't be allowed to pass their legal costs onto the insurance companies. Cities have assets. Politicians have assets. They need to be auctioned off to pay for all the damage they've caused. They want their cities destroyed? Let's help them destroy their cities through the courts.
Probably similar laws that's protecting them here in Georgia. Our state constitution gives state and municipal governments immunity from prosecution. We have county commissions tearing down memorials in spite of state law making that a crime. Every injunction has been denied on the grounds of immunity. It's gotten to be such a problem that an amendment will be on the ballot in November that will strip immunity from state and municipal.
Why would any person or business want to stay in these cities? Which insurance company would be willing to insure anything in these cities? What tourist would want to visit these cities? With all this said, how can these cities survive?
Police departments are sued all the time, and they often settle out of court. So there are exceptions to their sovereign immunity - discrimination, acting in bad faith, etc. The point here is to exert massive financial pain to these municipalities in one form or another. But yeah, making a viable civil case would be tough.
Mainer , people expect that the Police have a Duty to protect when in fact it has been tested and tried by the supreme court that.
if a cop is standing in the next subway car watching your murder by being stabbed to death through the window they could choose at any time to open that door, he/she if under no Duty to Protect they can stand there and watch you be murdered , take down the description of the person stabbing you and when the stabbing finished and the danger to the officer entering the car has passed open the door and check on you and call you an ambulance. they have done nothing wrong in the eyes of the court.
simply to say , you were always on your own by legal duty.
Yes, I realize all of that, but city officials have done something deliberately and with malice. They have mandated that the police ignore ongoing criminal activity so as to allow the rioting to continue. According to them, these are peaceful protesters and peaceful protesters don't destroy property - by definition.
So how does that not create huge legal liability for the city? Insurance companies should refuse to pay liability claims and then sue these cities for the millions (billions?) in property damage claims they will need to pay out due to their incitement of these riots.
I'm not simply being rhetorical here. I would like to know how city officials can legally get away with this sort of malfeasance?
The letter says the police won't respond to property crimes. Life safety protection remains in effect, according to the letter.
Jim
Jim, you are missing the most important part of the new rules, which is that the police can not use crowd dispersal techniques to get through the thousands of people preventing them from getting to the person needing their life protected. Without using tools like tear gas, rubber bullets, batons and fire hoses, even 100 police officers will not be able to fight through the crowds to save someone.
Yes, I realize all of that, but city officials have done something deliberately and with malice. They have mandated that the police ignore ongoing criminal activity so as to allow the rioting to continue. According to them, these are peaceful protesters and peaceful protesters don't destroy property - by definition.
So how does that not create huge legal liability for the city? Insurance companies should refuse to pay liability claims and then sue these cities for the millions (billions?) in property damage claims they will need to pay out due to their incitement of these riots.
I'm not simply being rhetorical here. I would like to know how city officials can legally get away with this sort of malfeasance?
If you sue the city, you are suing taxpayers. The perps don't get punished.
Yes, I realize all of that, but city officials have done something deliberately and with malice. They have mandated that the police ignore ongoing criminal activity so as to allow the rioting to continue. According to them, these are peaceful protesters and peaceful protesters don't destroy property - by definition.
So how does that not create huge legal liability for the city? Insurance companies should refuse to pay liability claims and then sue these cities for the millions (billions?) in property damage claims they will need to pay out due to their incitement of these riots.
I'm not simply being rhetorical here. I would like to know how city officials can legally get away with this sort of malfeasance?
If you sue the city, you are suing taxpayers. The perps don't get punished.
I DON"T CARE ANYMORE! I don't live in those places, and anyone stupid enough to voluntarily live and work under such insanity deserves the self-inflicted punishment their tax dollars provide.
Not sure I agree 100% with how the SC continues to rule on this but I can see a huge mess if they ever rule differently.
The SCOTUS is wrong imo from reading what governments sole purpose is suppose to be in the constitution and Bill of rights.
Yeah....i tend to go along with you on this.
From some constitutional law courses I've had I think the SC is keeping the door from being opened on a multitude of lawsuits related to LE responding to slowly or not in enough time to save a victim.
Social contract theory was put on the political map in the 17th century with the publication of Thomas Hobbes's treatise Leviathan. The central tenet of Hobbes's theory surrounded the protection of its citizens. The ONLY thing that could nullified the Sovereign's absolute authority, and thus the social contract between the citizens and their Sovereign, was the Sovereign's failure to protect them. Social contract theories that have followed Hobbes, from Locke to Rousseau and to our founding fathers, all recognize the role of sovereign protection of the citizenry as a fundamental tenet of any social contract. Without it there is no contract.
Here's an excerpt from the essay James Madison wrote explaining his words he wrote in the bill of rights a couple years earlier.
"Govt is instituted to protect property of every sort, as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of Gov't, that is a just Gov't which impartially secures to every man whatever his own."
Are those city officials following this?
Madison wrote the bill of rights and a couple years later the quote above, I assume to make sure people understood the role of Gov't.
they wrote Life, Liberty , and the Pursuit of happiness in the final draft.
It was originally Life , Liberty and Property that wording didn't resonate well with some but that is really what they meant I think Madison felt it necessary to clarify that as part of the role of government.
For if property is not respected and secured there can be no industry or agriculture. for if your property is not secure and government is not playing it's role in securing it anyone could take or vandalize your crop. burn you buildings , steal your wares without domestic security it all crumbles.
By this ignorant reasoning, then the Army, Air Force, Marines, and Navy and Coast Guard can just lay down their arms and go home also. We all swore an allegence to this country whether in the service or cop or a first responder, to protect and serve as to the constitution. What kind of sissys has the people of this country become. Where am I wrong?
By this ignorant reasoning, then the Army, Air Force, Marines, and Navy and Coast Guard can just lay down their arms and go home also. We all swore an allegence to this country whether in the service or cop or a first responder, to protect and serve as to the constitution. What kind of sissys has the people of this country become. Where am I wrong?
You are not wrong, at all!!
This is what you end up with when you don't tell the liberals where to put it. Too much pandering in today's world.
By this ignorant reasoning, then the Army, Air Force, Marines, and Navy and Coast Guard can just lay down their arms and go home also. We all swore an allegence to this country whether in the service or cop or a first responder, to protect and serve as to the constitution. What kind of sissys has the people of this country become. Where am I wrong?
You are not wrong, at all!!
This is what you end up with when you don't tell the liberals where to put it. Too much pandering in today's world.
By this ignorant reasoning, then the Army, Air Force, Marines, and Navy and Coast Guard can just lay down their arms and go home also. We all swore an allegence to this country whether in the service or cop or a first responder, to protect and serve as to the constitution. What kind of sissys has the people of this country become. Where am I wrong?
You are not wrong, at all!!
This is what you end up with when you don't tell the liberals where to put it. Too much pandering in today's world.
I think we all better be prepared to be on our own
probably time to start training with your family and neighbors at least getting cell phone numbers and communicating so that you have a way to contact them when you see suspicious activity across the street or next door.
I think we all better be prepared to be on our own
probably time to start training with your family and neighbors at least getting cell phone numbers and communicating so that you have a way to contact them when you see suspicious activity across the street or next door.
We already have that in our area -- with the cops average response time at 30 minutes, it is usually the bad guys calling the cops for protection from all the neighbors pursuing them.
The insurance companies are covered by an insurrection clause. The SC determined that police do not protect but they serve. It's kinda like the Post Office moto. I believe most LE do give it there all to protect however. Hard to overcome the size and strength of what is happening with your hands tied behind your back. I hate to say it but if I were LE in one of these cities I would have to seek other employment. I wouldn't blame them a bit. I can only imagine the guilt those officers feel watching and not being able to respond even though it isn't their fault. I'm not talking about the mayors or council or police chiefs that are liberal politicians. I hate it for the folks that have to live in those areas with no way out. I also hate it for them because just like a lot of folks that's their home town that is becoming a war zone. I'm afraid it's going to get worse before it gets better. I can only hope that the FEDs use every kind of tactic and technology at their disposal to handle these well paid perps. I have to believe that the likes of soros and those like him are funding this. Non of us could survive 2 months of rioting without a paycheck. Heck most of them are probably making more than the rest of us. I guess in their mind it's worth it to take down the U S Government. They believe they are smarter than everyone else that is until they are on the receiving end of what comes next. Keep your powder dry.
My nieces' husband here in Bum**** Nebraska is a Sheriff's Deputy. One of their best Deputies quit last week. The LEO's do their job to a T, but the judicial system has failed bigtime and turns the criminals loose. Nieces' husband is thinking seriously about throwing in the towel. There's no job satisfaction whatsoever.
The insurance companies are covered by an insurrection clause. The SC determined that police do not protect but they serve. It's kinda like the Post Office moto. I believe most LE do give it there all to protect however. Hard to overcome the size and strength of what is happening with your hands tied behind your back. I hate to say it but if I were LE in one of these cities I would have to seek other employment. I wouldn't blame them a bit. I can only imagine the guilt those officers feel watching and not being able to respond even though it isn't their fault. I'm not talking about the mayors or council or police chiefs that are liberal politicians. I hate it for the folks that have to live in those areas with no way out. I also hate it for them because just like a lot of folks that's their home town that is becoming a war zone. I'm afraid it's going to get worse before it gets better. I can only hope that the FEDs use every kind of tactic and technology at their disposal to handle these well paid perps. I have to believe that the likes of soros and those like him are funding this. Non of us could survive 2 months of rioting without a paycheck. Heck most of them are probably making more than the rest of us. I guess in their mind it's worth it to take down the U S Government. They believe they are smarter than everyone else that is until they are on the receiving end of what comes next. Keep your powder dry.
They think a lot of the rioters are getting the extra ui benefits and that is why the gop is not wanting to extend that program....
