COVID Tests Skewed?

Last night at our sportsman's meeting I was talking to a guy who said his wife was called back to work. She showed up at her workplace only to be told that all employees returning to work must be tested for the virus. If the test is negative for the virus, they will be allowed back.

She and another fellow worker went to the testing site, filled out paperwork, and were sent to the back of the line of people waiting to be tested. After nearly an hour of waiting, they tired of waiting and decided to return to work without having been tested and say they tested negative.

Three days later, they each received a letter stating they had tested positive for the virus!

Another guy listening said he had heard similar stories. We wondered how many tests are really positive?

And some Americans still want free healthcare.

There are lots and lots of similar stories going around.

Fake News - in my opinion.

I guess u have to decide if the guy was lying about the experience his wife had or not. I've seen the mayor of Wichita lie about the impacts of the virus in that city. Wiss miss thinks your lying about the story or the the guy that told u it was lying. Its for each of us to look around and decide what is truth and what isn't.

Yes there are so many iterations of this story going around that I'm not buying it.


https://www.sun-sentinel.com/corona...13-xk3aueospjef7dffzazn4zm5ky-story.html

Playing the devils advocate here..... so if you hear it happening frequently it must be a lie? Doesn't sound like rational thought. Maybe if there is some other considerations to go along with it being reported too frequently than a person MIGHT be able to justify a conclusion of untruthfulness. Based off my conservatiions with people in the health profession that I speak with directly and trust to share what they are seeing first hand i conclude there is a lot of deception with this virus to magnify its impact on the population.

There is incompetence in all fields of endeavor. But ask yourself why someone would fill out their paperwork and then go BACK to the end of the line. ?

We have ongoing testing here in the parking lot of our local clinic. You don't fill out your paperwork until it is handed to you by the medical professional. That person then, does the nasal swab and finally signs the paperwork.

At no point does your paperwork leave your hands before the swab goes up your nose.

I suspect that is the case nationwide. Still, there is no shortage of people trying to make things more difficult and contribute to a mistrust of the medical community.

I could believe this if it was being handled by the DMV

If that indeed is how the paperwork is handled your point has some validity

Here's another instance from clear across the country from Florida

https://www.khq.com/coronavirus/koo...72219ac-c6c9-11ea-b44a-cf05f43e9174.html

Here drive up testing is no more and can only get tested if you have systems or direct contact with positive person. Takes any where from 24 to 96 hours plus to get results depending on where you got tested.

I think the stories are made up too. I don't see any advantage to the the people doing the testing, to give a false positive, that outweighs the massive disadvantages if caught. All the details given are incredibly vague too. If it really hapenned there would be names, dates, times and places.

Keith

I have an employee i sent home until he could provide me a doctor's note saying he was clear. His grandmother has the Rona . He got tested and eight days later the results came in negative .

So he didn't have the virus eight days prior to the doctors note saying he was clear to return to work , but could have contracted it in the last eight days


Lots of holes in the system ........and alot of bs to go with it

Alot of the bs is money driven as well as political

I am disappointed this post is an hour old and we haven't heard sheeple yet. Maybe this is more about the hogs that are not led but driven. Driven by their will to disrupt and divide and conquer. There is always someone trying to prove something fake by doing something even more fake in an attempt to make the pieces fit.

Right ! The test only provides a snapshot of your health at that moment. You could easily test differently a week later.

I'll take this opportunity to provide a real-life example of how fake stuff and conspiracy crap gets started.

It happened right here on this forum.

Here is the link to the thread:

https://trapperman.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/6950857/re-covid-19-dna#Post6950857


Read the first post and then the last post.

I wanted to get some professional input on the OP claim and asked a medical professional for his/her opinion.

Here is the response;

"NO The cost to sequence every individual whether they are tested via swab or blood test for antibodies would be crazy. To isolate, purify, lyse, probe capture and then catalogue a genetic profile of the human DNA would be a ton of work. It would also be the largest medical legal issue EVER. To run tests or store identified data That was not consented or agreed upon would violate numerous fundamental laws we have regarding protected health information. If the government really wanted to do that why wouldn’t they just use blood from wellness exams, swabs from flu or strep tests etc?"

OK. there you have the opinion of a medical doctor.........who is, by the way, a member of this forum. No I won't identify the member.


So it is my opinion that Slick Pan, in the link above, was repeating something he had heard elsewhere..........with no basis in fact.

Pretty easy to see how that sort of thing can spread in this day of social media.......................IMO

My point is an eight day test result is absolutely worthless

This. It's an urban legend/myth/tall tale. So and so goes in to get tested, leaves before getting tested because they don't feel like waiting, and then get told they tested positive a few days later.

While the story has been heard many times over and not likely true , we'd be kidding ourselves if this government/covid isn't rife with fraud .

You can believe what you want, many will only believe that this happens when they have a personal contact they trust tell them it happened.

I have already had this experience from a personal friend and her mother who tried to get tested but left the line after over 2 hours wait time, they handed the clipboard and paper work to a staff member and left without being tested. Phone call the next afternoon saying they both had tested positive, they told the caller that they never test, the response from the caller was I only give the results. They received a mail confirmation about a week later saying they were both positive.

There are also many false positive test out there that never get taken off the books.


I don't watch football but I did hear this recently happened to Matthew Stafford. Sounds like he tested 6 times over a span of a few days and tests were 1-,2-, 3+,4-,5-,6-. Last I heard he can be with the team now because he had 3 negatives in a row.

The Governor of Ohio tested positive today. Maybe he just is over tested. You tell me.

Maybe he just wants time to himself ...

Supposed be 2 ppl I heard today that are positive for covid. At work, that not seen since call back a few wks ago, I thought they quit, no idea if true or not

Welcome back , coonman

As Mark Twain said "there are 3 kinds of lies.
Lies, dam lies, and statistics."

Zim

Not sure about that, but one thing I know for sure is there are alot of false positives that are counted. I am a correctional officer in NC at a processing camp. Every new arrival is tested and you wouldn't believe the amount of positive tests. The inmates are placed in segregation only to be let out a couple days later after they test negative. I would not hesitate to bet that this happens in 3 out of every 10 tests. We have only had 9 confirmed cases at our facility, staff and inmates combined. Keep in mind that we process apx 600 inmates every 3 weeks and ship throughout the state. So from what I have seen the numbers are "SKEWED" dramatically, as I am sure the false pos are not taken out of the count as medical staff have to report nightly. Just my observations....

"We rate the claim that hospitals get paid more if patients are listed as COVID-19 and on ventilators as TRUE.

Hospitals and doctors do get paid more for Medicare patients diagnosed with COVID-19 or if it's considered presumed they have COVID-19 absent a laboratory-confirmed test, and three times more if the patients are placed on a ventilator to cover the cost of care and loss of business resulting from a shift in focus to treat COVID-19 cases."

I'm lost. Hospitals get paid more than what?

more than they if it wasn't covid. Now your found. Lol

I see. If it is lung cancer they get less.

Dirt, hospital billing is a mess and I won't even try to dive into the different rates, charges, etc. That being said you can simply be charged differently for a hospital stay whether a physician admits you as "Observation" or "Inpatient." It's not much of a stretch to add a Covid- ICD 10 code for a little extra charge.

My sister runs a nursing home and they have to test all staff every week. 2 weeks ago the person that does the test screwed up and accidentally sent in 3 test that were never used. Meaning they never swabbed anything. All three came back positive.

Pee on this Ima go read about magnetic fields of 330s

I've inquired about that on the trapping only thread. I'm waiting to see where I can go read more about it.

What Medicare pays

By Tom Kertscher, PolitiFact reporter

An article shared on Facebook questions whether the count of COVID-19 patients is inflated, saying hospitals have a financial incentive to claim that a patient has the virus.

"Hospitals get paid more to list patients as COVID-19 — 3 times as much if put on ventilator," the story’s headline states.

The article was posted on WorldNetDaily, a conservative news website. It was produced by The Spectator, which describes itself as a conservative publication. The Spectator reported on comments made by Dr. Scott Jensen, a Minnesota physician and Republican state senator, in an interview with Fox News host Laura Ingraham.

Jensen said on Fox News that doctors are being encouraged to cite COVID-19 as a cause of death on death certificates and he suggested that money is a motivation.

Medicare has determined that a hospital gets paid $13,000 if a COVID-19 patient on Medicare is admitted and $39,000 if the patient goes on a ventilator, he claimed.

Jensen did not respond to our request for information.

The federal government has decided to pay hospitals more for treating COVID-19 patients. But it isn’t a windfall in the way the headline suggests. And there is no indication that hospitals are over-identifying patients as having COVID-19. If anything, evidence suggests the illness is being underdiagnosed.

How Medicare pays hospitals

Medicare pays for inpatient hospital stays using a diagnosis-related group (DRG) payment system. The hospital assigns a code to a patient at the time of discharge, based mainly on the patient’s main diagnosis and treatment given.

Medicare then pays the hospital a prescribed amount of money — regardless of what it actually cost the hospital to provide the care. The amount can vary in different parts of the country to account for labor costs and other factors.

The amounts

The dollar amounts Jensen cited are roughly what we found in an analysis published April 7 by the Kaiser Family Foundation, a leading source of health information. (Kaiser Health News, which partners with PolitiFact on health fact-checking, is an editorially independent program of the foundation.)

There isn’t a Medicare diagnostic code specifically for COVID-19. Using payment rates for similar respiratory conditions, Kaiser estimated the average Medicare payment at $13,297 for a less severe hospitalization and $40,218 for hospitalization in which a patient is treated with a ventilator for at least 96 hours.

"A COVID patient on a ventilator will need more services and more complicated services, not just the ventilator," said Joseph Antos, scholar in health care at the American Enterprise Institute. "It is reasonable that a patient who is on a ventilator would cost three times one who isn't that sick."

Medicare will pay hospitals a 20% "add-on" to the regular DRG payment for COVID-19 patients. That’s a result of the CARES Act, the largest of the three federal stimulus laws enacted in response to the coronavirus, which was signed into law March 27.

"This is no scandal," Antos said. "The 20% was added by Congress because hospitals have lost revenue from routine care and elective surgeries that they can't provide during this crisis, and because the cost of providing even routine services to COVID patients has jumped."

Ohio gov. now tests negative.

This is a common problem.

"Compare Medical billing costs for Pneumonia (Simple Pneumonia & Pleurisy With Major Complications) in U.S. Hospitals

CMS.gov released billing data from 2575 hospitals for "Pneumonia (Simple Pneumonia & Pleurisy With Major Complications)" in 2011 . The average medical billing charge was $37,408.93 and the average medicare reimbursement was $10,053.70."

"Roughly 15% of people infected by the coronavirus could require hospitalization, and a small share require invasive mechanical ventilation. The cost of these admissions will vary by severity and payer. In an earlier analysis, we estimate that, among people insured through a large employer’s private health plan, hospitalization for pneumonia ranged from an average of $9,763 to $20,292 in 2018 depending on severity and comorbidities associated with the condition. However, patients who need to be put on a ventilator would have much higher costs. In 2018, ventilation treatment for respiratory conditions ranged from $34,223 to $88,114 depending on the length of time ventilation is required, for patients in large employer plans. Treatment costs on a per patient basis for comparable admissions will be lower in Medicare and Medicaid, where providers are reimbursed at lower rates. For example, average hospital payments for pneumonia with major comorbidities or complications are $10,010 under Medicare, and hospitalizations for respiratory system infections requiring ventilator support are $40,218. Under the CARES Act, Medicare will pay a 20% premium for COVID-19 treatment, but per admission payment is still less than that for the same type of admission for people with private plans, on average."

Don't worry the CDC is on top of the testing. If you believe that ask somebody with Lyme how accurate the testing is. Personally I think they could be spending time and money some other way than all the testing. There has been some thats been sick as dogs with it only to test negative. It seems to just be the nature of the beast and as long as you or I are not a statistic then it doesn't matter, lol.
One thing I have seen in the beginning was we only had 1 case, she worked at SIU University and she was kept at home. Then we had a girl at church came down with something in her chest and she tested positive then in a few days she remembered she had been sanding concrete with no mask. She tells her Dr. and they tested her 2 more times negative and let her go back to work. Both cases was on the county tally and the girl that had had the concrete dust was never taken off.

Then we went weeks with no other cases and then all of a sudden from another big hospital in an other county they brought in a 87 year old woman dying with it and on hospice. Our little hospital had an agreement with the other to help out each other. I assumed that since things were dying down that maybe they needed at least one patient so they could get in on the gravy train. Well she died here and never was counted. So I am thinking well she got counted somewhere else. Then my best buddy died from it at St. Louis and he has never showed up on the count here. So thats 2 that wasn't counted here.

Now we have 8 in our little hospital with it that is not from here. In the mean time the last week its gone like wildfire in the bank, grocery store and one church.

I guess when the vaccine comes out I will be first in line provided I can get it without the chip which is another prefabricated lie for dissension and thats the gospel, I guess!

They cant even get the testing right but you will be the first in line for a vaccine?? Seems it would be easier to develop a test than a vaccine.

Well I'm wearing out staying isolated as much as possible , as a three times a week church goer and haven't been since this all started. Go get supplies once an month. My wife has to go to the Drs often with her ankle and no way way can I believe hospitals are a safe place. In the mean time my best buddy dies from it that only lived a mile from me. So at least getting the vaccine I have a hope and if in the trials its not killing anyone then I figure at least no harm. Got any better ideas I'm open to them except that when the election is over this will all magically disappear?

God's words in the Bible speak a fair amount on worry, trust, death, about who is control and who will provide and take care of you. That's were my faith and trust comes from. Not trying to turn this into a religious thread and I know some of you guys aren't believers so no need to make me aware of that. Just one Christian talking to another here.

Not discounting your motive in any way here Yes sir, but I'm not a fatalistic student. I believe if God provides me a way out I intend to take it, if a vaccine is it then so be it. I can always jump off the cliff later? Not going to happen!

Here is a link for all you fake news people and the ones that think that false positives don't happen

https://www.bigcountryhomepage.com/...ovid-19-cases-all-ruled-false-positives/

The same thing happened in at least two other counties nursing homes in Texas with one of them originally reporting 38 residents positive which in fact turned out to be all negative.

Not all of us out in rural Texas have the health facilities you Northern people have.

Our county has no testing facilities so the National Guard comes around about twice a month. You have to preregister with them a week or so before the scheduled test date and they only do a set number of tests.

I preregistered with them back in June and the day of the tests I had an emergency and was out of the county. So I did not get tested.
But 5 days after the scheduled date, I get a call from the County Judge informing me I had tested positive and would have to quarantine for two weeks.

So go ahead and believe what you want to but if it happens to you, what will you think then ?

As for me, I will not believe a single word anybody with any government says. If I get it and die, that is what God intended.

Interesting this urban legend happened to one of trapperman's own.

Dirt, since you’re enjoying indulging yourself in medical billing. Go find out what each one of these ICD-10 codes tacked on a hospital bill runs:

Covid ICD-10 codes

ive had this happen to 2 different people

Is it even possible? Medical billing is ludicrous. The acronym is FUBAR.

So we have all heard numerous reports of false positives. Has anyone from the CDC looked into the percentage of false positive results in the nationwide testing protocol? Or false negatives as well? It seems like this would be important information to know when trying to manage a pandemic. Or does knowing not fit well with the narrative?

“As for me, I will not believe a single word anybody with any government says. If I get it and die, that is what God intended.”

Same thing my parents said when they boarded a plane in Georgia in early July and flew to Washington for a month long vacation. They visited Oregon, Idaho, and Glacier National Park in Montana. They are back home now and Dad cut his grass yesterday in 95+ degree temps before I could get over there today. Dad will be 84 in Jan and Mom will be 75 in October. The only issue they had on vacation was when Dad slipped and fell, skinning up his leg, while hiking up a mountain with my brother, lol.