Required Vaccination

COVID-19 vaccines could become mandatory. Here’s how it might work.
After a COVID-19 vaccine is available, you may need to get inoculated to go to the office, attend a sporting event, or even get a seat at a restaurant.
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BY JILLIAN KRAMER

PUBLISHED AUGUST 19, 2020

YOU WALK TOWARD the arena, ready for a big game, tickets in hand. But what you see is a long line wrapping around the corner of the building and a bottleneck at the entrance as people search their pockets and purses for a small piece of paper. To be cleared to enter, you’ll also need that document—proof that you’ve received a COVID-19 vaccination.

This is the future as some experts see it: a world in which you’ll need to show you’ve been inoculated against the novel coronavirus to attend a sports game, get a manicure, go to work, or hop on a train.

“We’re not going to get to the point where the vaccine police break down your door to vaccinate you,” says Arthur Caplan, a bioethicist at New York University’s School of Medicine. But he and several other health policy experts envision vaccine mandates could be instituted and enforced by local governments or employers—similar to the current vaccine requirements for school-age children, military personnel, and hospital workers.

In the United States, most vaccine mandates come from the government. The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) makes recommendations for both pediatric and adult vaccines, and state legislatures or city councils determine whether to issue mandates. These mandates are most commonly tied to public school attendance, and all 50 states require students to receive some vaccines, with exemptions for medical, religious, and philosophical reasons.

Picture of army getting vaccinations
"Vaccination" by French painter Alfred Touchemolin, circa 1895. The painting depicts French army recruits being vaccinated with cowpox to protect them from the more virulent infection, smallpox.
PAINTING BY ALFRED TOUCHEMOLIN, UNVERSITAL HISTORY ARCHIVE/GETTY IMAGES
Adult vaccine mandates—compelling employees and the public to inoculate themselves—aren’t nearly as widespread, but they’re not unheard of. U.S. states and cities can and have forced compulsory vaccinations on citizens. In 1901, for example, Cambridge, Massachusetts, adopted a law that required all citizens aged 21 and older to get vaccinated against smallpox. Failure to comply could lead to a five-dollar fine, or the equivalent of $150 today. Those who challenged the order in court lost. (The last outbreak of smallpox in the U.S. occurred in 1949.)

Shirt, shoes, and inoculation required
Today, the U.S. military requires troops to be immunized against multiples diseases, including tetanus, diphtheria, hepatitis A, and polio. Several states require workers at healthcare facilities to be vaccinated against diseases such as pertussis, chickenpox, measles, mumps, and rubella. Hospital systems often require additional vaccinations as a condition of employment. And legally, all employers, in any industry, can compel their employees to get vaccinated.

The mandates can be directed toward customers, as well. Just as business owners can bar shoeless and shirtless clients from entering their restaurants, salons, arenas, and stores, they can legally keep people out for any number of reasons, “as long as they’re not running afoul of any antidiscrimination laws,” says Dorit Rubinstein Reiss, a professor of health and vaccine law at the University of California, Hastings College of the Law.

When a COVID-19 vaccine becomes available, some experts think states will require targeted industries to enforce vaccine mandates for their employees, especially those we’ve come to know as “essential workers.”

“Grocery store workers get exposed to a lot of people, but also have the chance to infect a lot of people because of the nature of their work and the fact that virtually everybody needs to buy food,” says Carmel Shachar, executive director of the Petrie-Flom Center for Health Law Policy, Biotechnology, and Bioethics at Harvard Law School. Hospitality industry workers—those who work in restaurants, bars, and coffee shops, for example—could also see similar mandates.

“It’s in an employer's interest to make sure that their workplace is protected and that you can't infect your colleagues,” Shachar says. “Having a widely accessible vaccine gets a lot of employers out of having to control their clients’ behavior.” And with a vaccinated workforce, “you don't need to worry if the people you're serving at the restaurant have COVID-19.”

Even the general public could be incentivized to get vaccinated. “Oddly enough, the best way to impose a mandate is to reward people with more freedom if they follow that mandate,” Caplan says. For example, with proof of inoculation, you would be able to attend a sporting event “as a reward for doing the right thing,” he says. “And I can imagine people saying, If you want to go to my restaurant, my bowling alley, or my tattoo parlor, then I want to see a vaccine certificate, too.”

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Booster shots could also be required, depending on the efficacy of future vaccines. Flu vaccines are effective about 70 percent of the time, says Lauren Grossman, professor of emergency medicine at the University of Colorado Denver, and new shots are needed each year. Yvonne Maldonado, a health policy professor at Stanford University, warns that any COVID-19 vaccine may not elicit lasting immunity and could require frequent boosters. If that’s the case, mandates would likely also include proof of booster shots.

Certified vaccinated
While the enforcement of such mandates wouldn’t be without its challenges, it would hardly be impossible or without precedent. To board an Emirates flight to Dubai today, for example, all passengers must present a negative COVID-19 test certificate. Once a vaccine is available, airlines could put in place sweeping regulations requiring COVID-19 vaccination certificates.

Reiss says federal laws could require proof of a COVID-19 vaccine to get a passport—which would then display an emblem showing your vaccination status. Driver’s licenses could be updated in a similar fashion, Caplan says. At work, employee badges could carry vaccination stickers, and a paper certificate from your doctor could serve as vaccine proof for public events.

Okay.

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It's all leading up to a chip in the forehead , folks

It's not hard to see

No thank you.

Yup, no thanks!

All of this put together is called brainwashing.

I didn't read all of that (yet); but if it's "mandatory", they can kiss my substantial buttocks...sounds too much like the "Mark of the Beast" for my taste.

just having it available, and it's likely I WOULD.

having said that, the last time I got the regular flu shot (about ten years ago); I got the flu. haven't had the shot (OR the flu) since!

If people go for that im going back to calling them sheep because they sure enough proved they are. You can kill an unborn baby because its your body and you can do what you want with it but you cant chose to get the vaccine for a mild virus

Please bend over so we can stick you.

Don't hve to get one, just can't do some things if this happens. Each to his own is what I say.

It was announced on the news tonight that every child in the state of Massachusetts is required to get a flu shot to attend school this year. I have little doubt, Covid-19 shots will be mandatory for going almost anywhere.

Keith

Not in this household.

It may be time to stand up and put a foot down.....or something like that.

Biden/Harris will be a big problem for us when/if they win. We are already seeing the beginning of the end.

Well if there's no consequences for vaccine producers when their products cause harm, and they do, then there is no incentive for the vaccines to be made safer.

I'm not anti vax, but I have seen first hand some adverse medical problems following vaccinations. Medical community doesn't want to admit much about that though.

There is BIG $ in vaccinating the world.

I'll wait and buy forged papers.

china vaccine for the china virus.

Article claims the flu shot is 70% effective, THAT discredits the whole piece, right there!

Life is about choices.
Be true to yourself and your beliefs.

Yep

I wonder if employers could legally require it

I don't know if it's legal or not, but where my wife works as a nurse she is required to either get a flu shot or wear a mask all during flu season. It's been that way for years.

if that doesn't either make your blood boil or run ice cold, you're not a True American!

My wife Donna asked me a sincere question as we were driving home from a super day floating down the Frio River with our youngest daughter Katie who's an RN, starting into a Nurse Practitioner program this coming week in San Antonio.

"How did our nation get to where it is now?"

That's the question of the day it would seem.

It did not happen by accident, people that crave power working a plan is how it happened.

My wife and I have already decided neither us or our kids will be getting it. If the school makes it mandatory, we will homeschool. If restaurants or any other business requires it, we will shop elsewhere.

Put a chemical in my kids bodies that was developed in a rush and then not properly tested, with unknown side effects and no real clinical trials? No. HE// no.

People are going to line up for it without question. I can't be the only one that keeps hearing "maybe by then we will have a vaccine"

and those of us on the correct side became complacent. when we stopped caring enough to be involved with our children's education, that opened the door for the socialists to teach our kids.

Malcolm X was credited with the quote "Only a fool would allow his enemies to educate his children"....

The flu shot is 70% effective because the 30% of the time it doesn’t work, the patient has been infected with a strain of mutated virus that came about after production of the annual vaccine. Fortunately, the Corona Virus does not mutate as quickly as its cousin the flu virus.

I am not qualified to render medical advice. Many more of us aren’t either, thus we all make assumptions about a vaccine’s failure rate before the vaccine is even developed.

When has the flu shot been 70% effective, more like 50% on a good year 35% on a bad year.

I certainly have no issue with you making decisions for yourselves ( especially homeschooling !! ) but I don't understand why you would say ..." not properly tested, with unknown side effects and no real clinical trials"

White17, because in the past it has taken years, even decades to develop vaccines, and even then the side effects are not always known for many years later. This vaccine is on rush order, the government has already authorized it to be distributed without the required amount of testing and clinicals. I think that one day this vaccine will end up on one of those commercials, “were you or a loved one given the covid 19 vaccine in 2021? You may be entitled to compensation”

The part in bold above is not accurate. Nothing has been given approval by the FDA.
Some therapeutic.treatments........have been given emergency use authorization but no vaccine has that I am aware of. Could have missed it I suppose.

Several vaccine candidates are currently in phase 2 & 3 of clinical trials. Pfizer has enrolled 30,000 patients and Johnson & Johnson has enrolled 60,000. That seems pretty significant to me.

The FDA has also said they will not approve any vaccine that does not meet safety standards and provide efficacy of at least 50% over placebo..

There are, naturally, concerns about the speed at which this is moving. That is understandable. But it seems to me that this type of effort is no different than the Manhattan Project. I think we should make similar efforts in a lot of fields.

Might I add, there are already three known treatments of meds that not a few docs, worldwide , have already been using for those who are sick, with amazing positive results....meds that have been safe, well tested for decades for other ailments , that have seen good results with China Virus patients .

I too agree on the ability to speed up research in progress in a lot of fields...


This road bump in life cannot be allowed to cripple all avenues of life to breakdown indefinitely.

First the country is in the shape it's in because we have let it happen and second what is going on with the Russian vaccine they said a week or so ago they had one and were giving it to people?

Yes that's the 'vaccine' that was tested on 76 people ! LOL

and they dont consider"glows in the dark" a side effect.

The flu shot is 70% effective against the strain of flu it was created to vaccinate against. It's overall effectiveness is lower, when the receiver is exposed to other flu strains.

I'm not scared to get vaccinated. I don't think there's likely to be some sort of nefarious plot connected to vaccinating people.

Keith

I hate to say it but at least their trying something all we seem to do any more is bicker and fight.

What if a business owner says, “whoa there you vaccinated mutant, we ain’t serving the likes of you in here?”

"REWARD people with more freedom"????

The sheep outnumber the stout of heart so its just a matter of time till......

If you take a long nap you might wake up and not recognize the world.

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. I spit out my drink a little. Thanks

Mark asked "how did we get here". Well, as many of us in our 60's and 70's can look back and see indications that it started decades ago. Certain people in power only intend to do things that will better themselves, not the country. And in some instances, never for the good of the country. Democrats and Republicans. The most glaring example might be that hard work week that Congress puts in. 52 weeks a year equals 260 potential work days. Subtract the 26 weeks they are on recess (are they really working?), then subtract Monday and Friday of each "work" week because they travel home at taxpayer expense, and it ends up about 130 "work" days a year. Pretty tough schedule.
Include the fact that there no longer seems to be checks and balances. ALL of them are complicit together to some degree. To a certain extent none of Congress wants to rock the boat.
I would venture to guess (IMO) that it started during the Clinton administration. It limped along for many years until the community organizer was elected even though he stated he "wanted to fundamentally change America". Remember Joe the Plumber? Asking Barrack about spreading the wealth around? It all looked like a bad idea, but people voted for him because they hadn't liked Bush. Be careful what one asks for. But the masses (mostly urban) voted him into office. And the division of the country accelerated.
I'm not sure what the Democrat party has in mind, other than getting in control and staying there by handing out votes and money until we have an economy like Italy.
Let's hope Trump gets re-elected.

They will also change the voting laws, bring ion more people to nationalize and place them in cities that benefits their being voted in while supporting them. They also will re-structure the scotus if they can.

You can blame political parties if you want. But people vote them in and they are there because they are what people want. I am a lot older than most on here and what I see is we have become like a small child at the dinner table. Eat your liver and you can have ice cream. We don't ever want to eat the liver so we go with the one that gives us the ice cream.

There is a good probability that it will get very bad here shortly.......we could have the first madam president within 9 months. They thought they had it done after two terms by obummer but Trump threw they for a loop so if they get in again they will put the hammer down. It could get dicey.

If a COVID-19 vaccine is truly effective, why would they force everyone to get one just to enter a sports stadium, school, or restaurant? That doesn't make any sense. The vaccinated people would be immune to the disease and would have nothing to fear from those who have not been vaccinated. The only people susceptible to the contagion would be those who chose not to be vaccinated.

What's that quote from C.S. Lewis about the greatest evil being that which is forced upon us for our own good?

Of course, we let them do it to us with mandatory seat belt and helmet laws. So, I suppose we will let them force us to be vaccinated, too.

I think there is a correlation here with laws making some drug use a crime. Either a person has a sovereign right over what they put into their own body, or they don't.

Except we know the CDC intentionally lies to us. I would never trust anything the CDC says. I'd look for a more trustworthy source of information than the known and proven liars at the CDC.

I've never had a flu shot and have never had the flu. I got a cold about 10 years ago is all.

My wife used to get a flu shot every year and every year she got the flu. She asked the doctor why? He said it was a different strain. Three years ago, she stopped getting the flu shot and hasn't had the flu since.

Exactly. It is always a step by step process. Often taking many years. Every big change is planned this way. The powers to be have quite the algorithms going on. And they never let a disaster (real or made up) go to waste

I will pass.No thanks

You should sign up as a volunteer for testing the covid vaccine then. BTW a 28-year old man just died who was doing exactly that...

The only nefarious plot I see is one to condition people to accept more government control for safety concerns. They can KMR.

Run Forrest Run...!

Truer words were never spoken

So all of you who are or were parents home schooled your children to avoid the mandatory vaccinations that every state requires of public school children? None of you work at jobs that require certain vaccinations? Why do you suppose the US Military vaccinates Everyone in their command?
I believe in modern medicine. It's saved my life several times.
I'm happy to get a flu vaccination every year. I'll be happy to get a Covid vaccination.

Good. Then you'll be protected from all of us who don't get a vaccination and at that point will no longer have a reason to tell us what to do. Capeesh.

It's a religious exemption . Homeschooling had nothing to do with it. We home school becuse we want to raise our children not pawn that off on someone else. I also don't want people with different morals and values in a position of authority over my children.

And no my job wont require getting a shot and if it did I would find something else. Maybe take up fur trapping for a living.

Never had a flu shot in my life. Up until last January I never had the flu. Our entire family got whatever that was. I suspect it was Covid. t took most of us several days to recover, some still had symptoms a week later.

I doubt I'll start getting a flu shot, especially if it's "required."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/volunteers-discuss-side-effects-receiving-155411326.html



March 16 We were just hearing about the Virus. How could a vaccine already have been developed?

How come there is no cold, herpes, or AIDs vaccine after all these years? Anybody know? Serious question.

The last couple weeks my family has had to many expirence with covid wards , with dad dieing and mom still fighting . Several of the nurses we have encountered have had a vaccination as part of human trials

28 year old died

Said was a placebo? Thought was a double blind study.

Hey I think this may need to go into my thread about end of times LOL

They may come with a Vaccine . But leave with lead !!! LOL!