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How did we get to this point

Posted By: Firemandivi

How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 12:28 PM

How in the world did the USA get to this point and how do we move forward from here? How do we heal this great country when so many people want to destroy it?

Protesters demand cops let themselves be stabbed or shot
Posted By: yukon254

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 12:34 PM

Got to this point by allowing pure communists to run and teach at the vast majority of the universities in the US. Healing wont be easy. Some think a civil war is the only way out and they might right. A good start would be to start voting some of the crazy left wing nuts running some of theses cities and states out of office.
Posted By: Yukon John

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 12:41 PM

43 officers killed in the line of duty since Floyds death. 9 afros killed last year by LEO, countless killed by their own race every day! WHOSE lives matter? At this point, military intervention is the only solution that I see.
Posted By: HobbieTrapper

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 12:48 PM

Wyatt Earp, Elliot Ness, law-enforcement will eventually get around just like in the past no need for military.
Posted By: Sprung & Rusty

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 01:14 PM

We were hijacked in the 60's. People didn't realize it.
Posted By: HobbieTrapper

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by Sprung & Rusty
We were hijacked in the 60's. People didn't realize it.


True dat!
Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 01:16 PM

I told my kids what needs to happen is that we stop accepting major parties candidates

if you accept you only have the option of bad and worse you always have bad or worse.

it must start at a grass roots level

city councils , village boards , county supervisors , sheriffs , county judges then work out from there , state reps , state senators , governor state supreme court. then it can start with Congress people and Senators


people think of things as top down leadership and it seldom is


bottom up is the way most things actually work and the county , state and federal governments are trying to keep up with the change of the people once they see a movement gaining momentum

this movement would have to start with a set of principals

from these principals you should be able to answer nearly any question asked. not on what is popular but what is the principal of the party.

Posted By: Getting There

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 01:32 PM

It will take a long time. Start by making people reasonable for there action. Put camera's in our class room to included collages.
Bring back the death penalty to be carried out with in 90 days. I know there might be some that my die that did not commit the crime.
Stop paying for more babies to get more money. You can only be on public assistance for so long. Give tax credits for married women that stay home and raise there kids. JMO
Posted By: trapper20

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by yukon254
Got to this point by allowing pure communists to run and teach at the vast majority of the universities in the US. Healing wont be easy. Some think a civil war is the only way out and they might right. A good start would be to start voting some of the crazy left wing nuts running some of theses cities and states out of office.


voting in theory would work, but imo i think there are enough uneducated nutjobs that will listen to all the BS the left is spewing to vote most of them out. That would help but I think they need to revamp the entire governement. stop these career politicians from staying in to get rich off of th people. the only problem is we have given them the power to the government and im sure they will not freely give it back.
Posted By: rudydog

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 01:56 PM

The whole attitude of the country/world seemed to change after 2016, not sure what happened then, but it has been a downhill slide since.
Especially if you enjoy trapping as a passion. It really hits home if you have trapped for 40+ years.
If only more of us could think on our own about what the change was?
Posted By: HobbieTrapper

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by rudydog
The whole attitude of the country/world seemed to change after 2016, not sure what happened then, but it has been a downhill slide since.
Especially if you enjoy trapping as a passion. It really hits home if you have trapped for 40+ years.
If only more of us could think on our own about what the change was?


I think most folks have an idea what changed, or didn’t, they just won’t say it.
Posted By: hippie

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Originally Posted by rudydog
The whole attitude of the country/world seemed to change after 2016, not sure what happened then, but it has been a downhill slide since.
Especially if you enjoy trapping as a passion. It really hits home if you have trapped for 40+ years.
If only more of us could think on our own about what the change was?


I think most folks have an idea what changed, or didn’t, they just won’t say it.


We had a president that started the anti-police movement when his speech started...."If I had a son".
Then in 2016 we shocked the liberals/establishment by electing a president that is for the people. This put them over the edge.

So yes Rudy, I wish you could think back and realize when it started!
Posted By: rudydog

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 02:38 PM

OK
The thing about that i find hard to under stand is throughout history the guy in charge is usually the one who accepts the responsibility for what is happening under his watch.
I have never seen were the one at the top feels no responsibility and blames the president before him, or the one running against him for all the bad? Just never seen anything like that.
How can the one running against him have anything to do with any of this?
I didn't vote for the president before this one we have now, But after almost 4 years wouldn't you'd think it's time to grow up and take some responsibility?
Posted By: J Staton

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 02:40 PM

2016 became America first. The world didn't like that nor the establishment politicians of both parties. We the people are being punished for sticking it to the man. Let's be smart and stick it to the man once again in November.
Posted By: hippie

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by rudydog
OK
The thing about that i find hard to under stand is throughout history the guy in charge is usually the one who accepts the responsibility for what is happening under his watch.
I have never seen were the one at the top feels no responsibility and blames the president before him, or the one running against him for all the bad? Just never seen anything like that.
How can the one running against him have anything to do with any of this?
I didn't vote for the president before this one we have now, But after almost 4 years wouldn't you'd think it's time to grow up and take some responsibility?


How do you feel Trump started or is responsible for the riots in Democrat controlled cities?
Posted By: HobbieTrapper

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by rudydog
OK
The thing about that i find hard to under stand is throughout history the guy in charge is usually the one who accepts the responsibility for what is happening under his watch.
I have never seen were the one at the top feels no responsibility and blames the president before him, or the one running against him for all the bad? Just never seen anything like that.
How can the one running against him have anything to do with any of this?
I didn't vote for the president before this one we have now, But after almost 4 years wouldn't you'd think it's time to grow up and take some responsibility?



Are you stoned?

The runner that has been there for 40 years is blaming the guy who has been there for 4.

The current occupant of the White House is honoring the states rights to deal with their own issues. Don’t ask for help don’t get any.
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by rudydog
OK
The thing about that i find hard to under stand is throughout history the guy in charge is usually the one who accepts the responsibility for what is happening under his watch.
I have never seen were the one at the top feels no responsibility and blames the president before him, or the one running against him for all the bad? Just never seen anything like that.
How can the one running against him have anything to do with any of this?
I didn't vote for the president before this one we have now, But after almost 4 years wouldn't you'd think it's time to grow up and take some responsibility?

There has never been in time in my lifetime where a former president tries to undermine his predecessor's administration like Obama is doing to Trump. Obama tried his best to make America a Marxist country. He failed, but refuses to give up.
Posted By: Leftlane

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 03:11 PM

Maybe 2016 is the first time yall noticed it but I been saying we are headed for trouble for years. We have rewarded what I view is the worst behavior possible while getting squeamish about punishing anyone for wrong doing. Instead we blame everything but the perpetrator (think how often the gun is vilified).

Maybe 2016 is when all the turds of the world finally felt comfortable enough to show us what they really believe and what they would seek for our country's future. After all, it was 2016 when the media proved the facts do NOT matter so long as they can keep up the cheeto man bad crap.

Lat night, I was flipping channels in a hotel and noticed news cast after news cast making fun of our president for blaming poor forestry management for the wild fires instead of global warming. What a bunch of traitorous pukes!
Posted By: AntiGov

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 03:14 PM

This is what happens when you " Feed the Bears " for 50+ years[Linked Image]
Posted By: Marty

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 03:14 PM

The Trump win upset what had been a steady slide into liberalism nationwide. They then turned up the heat on the liberal policies and that made those things more apparent. What we see now is a coordinated nationwide push by liberal politicians to bring about a Trump loss. They are encouraging these despicable actions and allowing the large majority of these crimes to go unpunished which brings about more of it.....

How does it end? Could go a few different ways....

Every end scenario ends badly so prepare yourself for that eventuality. A Trump win is really our only hope but if that happens the blood could really flow right after....

The only way to stop it is federal occupation of the problem cities but there are not enough forces for that without the military and military option is a can of worms. One way that might work is to replace the liberal mayors, governors and councils with people who will use existing police forces to actually enforce the rule of law with an iron fist. But that may not be legal......most of this will not end while those leaders who choose to allow this behavior to continue without squashing it remain in control locally and that unfortunately will encourage more of it and it will also spread.
Posted By: rudydog

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 03:17 PM

No, not stoned,
I just look around and see rioting, record unemployment, a virus that is hitting our country harder than about any other, more violence than i have ever scene in my 50+ years.
On a local level record farm bankruptcies, all the sand mines bankrupt, etc.
And all i hear on here and from the president is "i take no responsibility".?
Not to mention the fur industry is gone to a point were it may never return, about all the fur farms are also bankrupt or shut down.
Sure my stocks are doing well, but if that is what making American great means i'm skeptical. I voted republican 100% of the time in my 32 years of voting till the last election, i don't know if i can afford all this greatness?
Posted By: keystone

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Firemandivi
How in the world did the USA get to this point and how do we move forward from here? How do we heal this great country when so many people want to destroy it?

Protesters demand cops let themselves be stabbed or shot



Easy question! The internet and social media. Social media has gives certain groups a voice, a voice that the liberal media preys on. Without it many of these groups would have nothing.
Posted By: HobbieTrapper

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 03:25 PM

A little something for your world.

Posted By: HobbieTrapper

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 03:27 PM

What voice reads trapperman for you, because it is obvious your can’t see.
Posted By: Marty

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by keystone
Originally Posted by Firemandivi
How in the world did the USA get to this point and how do we move forward from here? How do we heal this great country when so many people want to destroy it?

Protesters demand cops let themselves be stabbed or shot



Easy question! The internet and social media. Social media has gives certain groups a voice, a voice that the liberal media preys on. Without it many of these groups would have nothing.


Social media is really enemy #1 and the main source of these anti-American groups power.
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by rudydog
No, not stoned,
I just look around and see rioting, record unemployment, a virus that is hitting our country harder than about any other, more violence than i have ever scene in my 50+ years.
On a local level record farm bankruptcies, all the sand mines bankrupt, etc.
And all i hear on here and from the president is "i take no responsibility".?
Not to mention the fur industry is gone to a point were it may never return, about all the fur farms are also bankrupt or shut down.
Sure my stocks are doing well, but if that is what making American great means i'm skeptical. I voted republican 100% of the time in my 32 years of voting till the last election, i don't know if i can afford all this greatness?

Prior to the pandemic, we had the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years.

Have you noticed that the violent rioting is mostly all in cities where democrats have been in charge? In MN, the mayor of Minneapolis begged the democrat governor to do something to stop the rioting, looting, burning, etc. For 4 days the governor did nothing. It took a threat from Trump who said he would send in federal troops before the governor activated the National Guard.
Posted By: Turtledale

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 03:54 PM

Rudydog are you saying this wouldn't have happened if Hillary, maybe who you voted for, was elected? This pimple has been ready to pop way before Trump came into politics. Biden been in this game for decades stirring this pot of unrest to a boil. Democratic controll is what has made these peoples actions what they are. Allowed to run unopposed in the streets demanding cops just go away. Anarchy rules the city streets. Trump has offered help many times but always told to go suck eggs by Democratic mayor's and governors.
Posted By: Boco

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 04:02 PM

CBC archives-Just watch me-1970

This is a clip from the FLQ crisis in Quebec.
I thought the PM statements at the time are uncannilly pertinent to what is going on now.

I dont know how to do the link if someone could link it it may be interesting to a lot of us in how he put the hammer down on the anarchists and his view of the situation.
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by rudydog
No, not stoned,
I just look around and see rioting, record unemployment, a virus that is hitting our country harder than about any other, more violence than i have ever scene in my 50+ years.
On a local level record farm bankruptcies, all the sand mines bankrupt, etc.
And all i hear on here and from the president is "i take no responsibility".?
Not to mention the fur industry is gone to a point were it may never return, about all the fur farms are also bankrupt or shut down.
Sure my stocks are doing well, but if that is what making American great means i'm skeptical. I voted republican 100% of the time in my 32 years of voting till the last election, i don't know if i can afford all this greatness?

Try looking at who the leadership is in the ciities that are being destroyed. It's time people see the results of who they voted in as mayor, council, DA, Governor. There is a chain of command.
Posted By: wallfur

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by rudydog
OK
The thing about that i find hard to under stand is throughout history the guy in charge is usually the one who accepts the responsibility for what is happening under his watch.
I have never seen were the one at the top feels no responsibility and blames the president before him, or the one running against him for all the bad? Just never seen anything like that.
How can the one running against him have anything to do with any of this?
I didn't vote for the president before this one we have now, But after almost 4 years wouldn't you'd think it's time to grow up and take some responsibility?

.....drain the swamp then you will see who is at the bottom of all this
Posted By: rex123

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 05:00 PM

Every one comes on here blaming one party or the other for what is happening to this country but how do these people get in office? The problem is us ,we vote them in they don't just pop up. It's churches , yes the internet, it's our morals as a whole.Anything goes, and when someone does try to change it little special interest groups from one side or the other jump up and start crying. The answer ,I really don't know anymore you used to have a majority of decent people who stayed the course but there seem to be to few any more to matter. It will come full circle but we won't like the out come.
Posted By: HobbieTrapper

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by rex123
Every one comes on here blaming one party or the other for what is happening to this country but how do these people get in office? The problem is us ,we vote them in they don't just pop up. It's churches , yes the internet, it's our morals as a whole.Anything goes, and when someone does try to change it little special interest groups from one side or the other jump up and start crying. The answer ,I really don't know anymore you used to have a majority of decent people who stayed the course but there seem to be to few any more to matter. It will come full circle but we won't like the out come.


They’re still out there, it’s just been good for so long they got complacent.
Posted By: Sprung & Rusty

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 05:23 PM

Scary times ahead.
Posted By: rex123

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 05:39 PM

HobbieTrapper, I hope your right.
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 07:13 PM

Saw on TV the other day a bunch of BLM protesters holding signs. One of the signs said, "White Lives Don't Matter".
Posted By: cfowler

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 08:21 PM

Regardless of who is to blame for getting us to this point today, it will be our fault, if we don’t address it and restore our nation to the principles upon which it was founded.

You might have to do more than vote and hope.
Posted By: Firemandivi

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 11:54 PM

I vote in every election but the choice is always the lesser of two evils, it is rarely if ever the best choice. And nothing ever changes. I would love to see term limits on all elected officials but I doubt it will happen in my life, heck I would also love to see unbiased news but its never going to happen. So honestly what do you think the average person, people like us can do to change the way this country is going?
Posted By: J Staton

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/15/20 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by Firemandivi
I vote in every election but the choice is always the lesser of two evils, it is rarely if ever the best choice. And nothing ever changes. I would love to see term limits on all elected officials but I doubt it will happen in my life, heck I would also love to see unbiased news but its never going to happen. So honestly what do you think the average person, people like us can do to change the way this country is going?

Convention of States or civil war at this point.
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/16/20 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by Trapper7
Saw on TV the other day a bunch of BLM protesters holding signs. One of the signs said, "White Lives Don't Matter".

They got the momentum. I blame mainstream media.
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/16/20 12:08 AM

They're all well and fine in the big cities.......
Posted By: Leftlane

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/16/20 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by J Staton
Originally Posted by Firemandivi
I vote in every election but the choice is always the lesser of two evils, it is rarely if ever the best choice. And nothing ever changes. I would love to see term limits on all elected officials but I doubt it will happen in my life, heck I would also love to see unbiased news but its never going to happen. So honestly what do you think the average person, people like us can do to change the way this country is going?

Convention of States or civil war at this point.


GB demanded this and that of us in 1876. We shot the (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman)
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/16/20 12:12 AM

My kids are raised. I guess I'll make the sacrifice to get the ball rollin.
Posted By: Crit-R-Dun

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/16/20 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by Trapper7
Saw on TV the other day a bunch of BLM protesters holding signs. One of the signs said, "White Lives Don't Matter".


That sounds racist.
Posted By: Leftlane

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/16/20 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by Gary Benson
My kids are raised. I guess I'll make the sacrifice to get the ball rollin.



It's not a task I look forward to but I wouldn't let you work alone Gary
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/16/20 12:20 AM

Yup, LL. I'm afraid it should have happened awhile ago.
Posted By: Leftlane

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/16/20 12:27 AM

Your probably right and we are probably nothing short of cowards if we leave this problem for our kids to solve
Posted By: white marlin

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/16/20 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by rudydog
OK
The thing about that i find hard to under stand is throughout history the guy in charge is usually the one who accepts the responsibility for what is happening under his watch.
I have never seen were the one at the top feels no responsibility and blames the president before him, or the one running against him for all the bad? Just never seen anything like that.


you're joking, right?

Obama blamed GWB for the lousy economy for 9 freaking years!
Posted By: trapdog1

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/16/20 01:31 AM

And then Bummer tried to claim credit for the booming economy when it turned around.
Posted By: white marlin

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/16/20 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by trapdog1
And then Bummer tried to claim credit for the booming economy when it turned around.


EXACTLY!
Posted By: Pawnee

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/16/20 02:06 AM

We got here by us not taking them seriously and by them following the Marxist hand book.
1) get rid of God
2) break up the traditional family
3) take over education since the family is gone
4) last but not least create tribalism (white against black, poor against rich, Catholic against Protestant, etc...)
Posted By: rudydog

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/16/20 02:26 AM

Originally Posted by trapdog1
And then Bummer tried to claim credit for the booming economy when it turned around.

When Bush left office the economy was in free fall, It then was turned around under the next president, during his administration. And it continued on an upward tend till about 6 months ago.
What is not true about what i have just said?
Posted By: Actor

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/16/20 02:45 AM

Originally Posted by rudydog
OK
The thing about that i find hard to under stand is throughout history the guy in charge is usually the one who accepts the responsibility for what is happening under his watch.
I have never seen were the one at the top feels no responsibility and blames the president before him, or the one running against him for all the bad? Just never seen anything like that.
How can the one running against him have anything to do with any of this?
I didn't vote for the president before this one we have now, But after almost 4 years wouldn't you'd think it's time to grow up and take some responsibility?


Have you lived underground for the last 50 or more years or just not paid attention... ???

Garry-
Posted By: Gene Dziza

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/16/20 02:58 AM

The economy always cycles. It goes through expansion and contraction. It does this in countries that have the same leadership, year after year and it does this regardless of policy influences. I think some policy changes, such as lowering the corporate tax rates so that billions came back into our economy from foreign held corporations can have a pretty positive effect on the economy.

What is discouraging is the anti capitalist, socialist, give me something because I am entitled attitude that is growing among young people, many of whom have never become productive in their lives. These are not Republican voters propagating these ideas. What is discouraging to me is the feeling that I am considered a racist because of the color of my skin. That I am accused of being privileged because of the color of my skin, when I have busted my butt for everything I have and nothing was given to me. These are not Republican voters making these accusations and inciting these riots and it is not Republican leadership that is sanctioning this behavior and letting it go on.

What the heck has happened to the Democratic party? They act like they don't like America.


I
Posted By: WadeRyan

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/16/20 03:20 AM

I don't even live in a big city. Consider the majority of the people around me pretty respectable people. Even without living in the big city I can see the writing on the wall. Not if but when?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/16/20 03:28 AM

Pawnee,

They're yelling right over you brother.
It's not easy being a Christian in this country founded on Christian principles. Not in 2020. Not even on a trapping site. There is no safe haven. There wasn't in the Messiah's time. There wasn't in Washington's day. There isn't one today. There isn't even heaven on earth at a world renowned seminary for that matter. I have some sort of gathering here on campus Friday night, led by a group of students (of color) who will meet with faculty and students to discuss current events. I'm going. Might be my last night here, but Jesus never spoke of color, as he waded into lepers and prostitutes, and criminals, and picked a bunch of no-names as his bunch to spread His Gospel, that He taught them, to proclaim to the ends of the earth. Most of them died for their faith - you could kill them, but you couldn't take the resurrection from them.

Well, here we are 1,987 years later, and 244 years after the founding of America and the followers of Christ are still here. Washington would cheer the humble on. And he would know, as the faithful know, it isn't rosy all the time. Plus, the faithful have millions of modern-day Pharisees in our churches, who are "followers in name only," and while you can't tell them from the rest, Jesus tells the faithful you will know them by the fruit they bear.

All is well. It's just a bit crazy right now, Trump or no Trump.
We pray for God's Will to be done for the sake of our families, our neighbors, and our enemies.

Blessings,
Mark
Posted By: lee steinmeyer

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/16/20 03:48 AM

Well put, Mark, and spot on. It will be interesting before it's all over!
Posted By: J Staton

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/16/20 10:47 AM

Mark when y'all have this meeting remember James 1:19-20. As you said race is not a concern when speaking of the love of Christ. Hopefully these students understand this.
Posted By: hippie

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/16/20 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by rudydog
Originally Posted by trapdog1
And then Bummer tried to claim credit for the booming economy when it turned around.

When Bush left office the economy was in free fall, It then was turned around under the next president, during his administration. And it continued on an upward tend till about 6 months ago.
What is not true about what i have just said?


You left out that most of the recovery acts were done under Bush and the 110th Congress such as bailing the banks out and fixing the housing crisis. Under Obama and the 111th congress, most of that money went to renewable energy companies ( where are they now?)
And his so called "shovel ready jobs" which even be said wasn't shovel ready.


You haven't answered me as to how Trump is responsible for the city riots.
Posted By: Crit-R-Dun

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/16/20 11:05 AM

If you can draw any sort of comparison I don't think you can make a direct link to leadership. We are experiencing a comparatively minute volume of unrest and look at the goof ball we've had running the country poorly the past 5 plus years.
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/16/20 11:09 AM

Presidents have nothing to do with the stock market. That's in the hands of much more powerful people. Obumm.er ruined everything he could, but that's one thing he couldn't
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/16/20 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by rudydog
OK
The thing about that i find hard to under stand is throughout history the guy in charge is usually the one who accepts the responsibility for what is happening under his watch.
I have never seen were the one at the top feels no responsibility and blames the president before him, or the one running against him for all the bad? Just never seen anything like that.
How can the one running against him have anything to do with any of this?
I didn't vote for the president before this one we have now, But after almost 4 years wouldn't you'd think it's time to grow up and take some responsibility?

"I inherited this mess".......sound familiar? Bout 2008 or so
Posted By: Pawnee

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/16/20 11:36 AM

Well said Mark

Originally Posted by J Staton
Mark when y'all have this meeting remember James 1:19-20. As you said race is not a concern when speaking of the love of Christ. Hopefully these students understand this.


You were probably raised like me to be Color Blind!! Now saying that is racist. If you just value a person for his or her morals, values, work ethic, etc.... and don’t recognize their color they call you a racist. Exactly what the Libs of 30 years ago wanted!! Now those same Libs are blinding following the Leftist and they are in for a rude awakening. If you guys have time I’d encourage you to read the list of demands or the Manifesto on the BLM web site lots of stuff on there that will make your head spin. Not enjoyable reading but we all have to be educated when talking to uniformed people pulled in by this Crap
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: How did we get to this point - 09/16/20 11:39 AM

J Stanton,

Thank you for your suggestion. It's a good one for sure.
I'm not in the least angry. I, like most here are saddened, attempting to be humble yet convicted in faith, and it's a group effort because there ere are "many" cultures represented here on campus. It's pretty special how DTS is the most diverse of all non-denominational seminaries on God's earth, with folks from 60 nations studying here on campus. I personally find it helpful to hear from others not raised among our tribe and tongue. Two men I've met are an example. They both help me understand that our tribe's way is not the only highway, and I attempt to explain to them "what America is all about." Just last week, I found myself trying to explain, "assisted living" to one of the guys, who asked me; "Do Americans put people in other people's houses when people get old?" Try defending and answering some of this stuff about America. "Well....."

One man is 66 years old, 4 years older than me, and is an attorney from W. New Guinea Africa (his name is D'jaba), whose village saved $$ for four years to send him here to Dallas (Christianity in Africa is growing faster than all other religions, but Christians are brutally persecuted by Muslims and others who aren't faithful at all). Another man is from Rwanda (Andrew) who survived the genocide in that culture's horrific civil war in the early 1990's as a 4 year boy, because his mother placed her body on top of his as others from the "government" slaughtered 3000 in his village that horrific day. Andrew is alive, and all his siblings are not, because his mother's body could only cover one child, as she alone took all the spear jabbing to protect Andrew as he lay trapped under her. He was pierced three times but survived. He's a great guy, and it's very humbling as you listen to a man tell you, he literally "carries his mother's blood" as he describes what civil war looks and feels like. I know for me personally, when I talk with Andrew, and listen to him tell what happens when people in a nation grab something to shoot, or stab, or kill their neighbor who they don't like, it gives you humble pause when you hear some in America call out for doing just that. Perspective is what we might call all this. Perhaps our culture needs more of it. Personally, I feel blessed to be American and I tell my new friends I'd die to protect our blessing called America, but there is a bigger kingdom than this one.

So thanks again J, for the counsel. I appreciate it.
We debate here often, so I suppose the conversation this Friday night will revolve around, "How can people stop hating one another." I'll watch students try and figure that out. With 60 nations here, I bet it'll be interesting.

Blessings,
Mark
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