Personal ethics

Okay, forget national whatever. This is about you personally.

If you could gain a prime award. An award that is a personal goal but can be anything important to you BUT to the vast majority of your friends and colleagues the method by which the award was granted appears to be questionable or even outright wrong.

Question, do you accept the reward?

Me, I would refuse the award and insist that until such time as all facts be brought to light disassociate myself from the process. My good name is far more important if for no other reason than my own vanity.

But maybe I'm just a Pollyanna.

You're an honest Conservative........not a bought-and-paid-for Democrat......

If I truly earned it then yes I would accept.

Ethics come in when when you are given a Nobel Peace prize for not earning it. I wouldn't accept something like that.

If the only thing in life we desire is the end point then the long journey of life has little meaning. In many cases in our history and other events we don't recognize the contributions and values of people and events until long after they are passed or the events are over. When I was a very new instructor I developed a system by which my students could manage and develop a genetic herd so they could understand inheritance. My supervisor thought it was a good program and submitted it in his name for a merit award and he received the award. My co-workers were really mad, but for me seeing my students gain better knowledge was the real value.

Bryce

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First of all I had to look up Pollyanna. I'm not the type of person that would except any award. If good things I do make people better or feel better that's great. As far as recognition, I don't need it. Me and the Maker know what my life has been like.

You mean like Obana did for doing nothing?

I prefer not to have my name made public. I’ve turned down public recognition at work, but did tell them to go ahead and deposit the funds to my company card, lol. Then again, I’ve never received recognition for something I didn’t do.

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I gotta fact check you here, Obama did two major things during his presidency, the first thing was make every conservative a racist through the eyes of the media, the second thing he did was put a bullseye on law enforcement. He did some other stuff to but those are the two things that stick out in my mind.

keystone, you are right about those two things. But, if you google Obama Nobel Peace Prize, it states they couldn't really find a reason he got one, even referring to him as getting it for doing nothing to deserve it.

Setting racism back to the pre-MLK days certainly was one of his most major accomplishments.

I was in the forth grade. Teacher gave us an assignment to do. I was doing my thing, and it came down to the wire to turn in. I grabbed a book and found a short story, which was the assignment. Yep, plaugerized that sucker. One of lifes lessons and made a better person of me! Teacher thought it great and announced in class that I had turned in the best story. Uh oh, man my conscience was eating me up. I missed the bus that afternoon to go and confess my sin to the teacher. I walked about a mile and half home that afternoon, then told mom. That's when I really learned the value of this leason.

Huh, I cheated everyday in school, never felt bad about cheating my way through something I did not want to participate in. In 9th grade or so I learned I could intercept my report card and then make a fake one, went as far as to pull the logo off the school website and everything, saved a template so it only took me a few mins to come up with a fake one to give my parents. Did that for years.

Donner, you think that is alright? Cheating is for losers. My mom and dad beat that in my head. Yours should have too.....no matter how old you are.

Lying to your parents is not something to be proud of,Donner,let alone brag about.

How’d this go from someone proud of cheating to someone possibly getting recognized for something and others not thinking it’s on the up and up.

I do know now that anything I read or hear about Donner is a lie or he cheated to get it or accomplish it...some things just don’t need to be on social media, lol.

I don't seek awards so I have no opinion regarding this question.

Whatever guys. I'm glad I made it through school my way, I have the paper to show for it. Should I have turned down the diploma? I didn't belong there and a threat of violence made me go everyday.

The only thing that could get me to school was the threat of violence, my mom tried to let me skip and make me do terrible jobs around the farm and I would always take that option.

The thread was about personal ethics and kinda vague, it may have drifted a bit off topic. Now you know a bit about my personal ethics, if you physically force me to do something with the threat of being hit if I do not comply I will do it but you will get a very minimum effort.

This ^^^^^

I should have just let them shove the Ritalin down my throat so I could sit still and take the state sponsored schooling that was being force fed to me... now I see the light, you guys really opened my eyes.

Just out of curiosity who did I harm in all this? Who was the victim? Imagine coming up with your own code of ethics and morals instead of just adopting the ones the church and your parents beat into you... I know crazy thought right.

My bad for taking this thread sideways Warrior.

How does it go? Something like if you're not cheating, you're not trying. And if you get caught, you're not trying hard enough!

The #1 way to steal joy in your life, is to......

compare yourself to others.

Donner, I'm sorry I made that second post. It sounded like I was judging you, but it shocked me what you wrote! An observation....Most kids that grew up like you never had any good in their life. I've known lots of them, dead at twenty to thirty years old or incarserated! Glad you came out okay!

You taught me something today Donner. Thank you.

It's all good. My mother was/is a saint and I quit getting hit when my dad found Jesus. I can get a bit sensitive when it comes to forcing kids to do things that make them miserable or hitting kids.

but you STOLE that paper.

STOLE!? Lol... there is a theory. Who did I steal it from? Who was the victim?

I loved school, but hated to have to learn anything I wasn't interested in! I'm a hands on guy, would never make it since they got rid of most of the shop classes. Came home from nam, thought maybe I could do the college thing. No thanks! Could do about anything with my hands. They push kids all the time in the wrong directions. Donner, if things would have been approached differently, you prolly wouldn't have looked at it like you dicribed. Everyone is good at some things, just need to find that interest!

The victim in an unrighteous act has always been the same; ourselves.
We see > we deem what is good > and we take or decide what is good and bad.
This is the original sin of humanity and it is still among all of us today.
We trade our soul for things of this world.

What our society used to deem unacceptable follows the path sin always does, slow and steady erosion towards ruin.

Driving at the speed limit >>>>. driving a bit over the legal limit (not caught yet) .>>>>>>>>>>> a few miles an hour "more" over the limit >>>>>>>>> a lot over cause I'm in a hurry (my rules now) >>>>>>>>>>>. busted!!

What? I was just going over a little bit? What me? You gonna write me up? I was late! Cut some slack here!

Nope, you've been speeding for a long, steady, slow erosion to sinful righteousness.

Same with adultery. Same with drinking. Same with porn. And on and on.
We see > we deem what is good > and we do what we want.

The Apostle Paul wrote it for us for a reason;
1 Thessalonians 5:22; Abstain for every form of evil! or the Greek says it; From every appearance of evil abstain!

Sinfulness is in all of us. Sin may be forgiven but the action of "abstaining from evil," is a slow and steady walk also.
That's why we humbly pray for divine help.

Blessings,
Mark

Every now and then someone shares a truth to live by.
This is astoundingly good advice.

I do not view it as an unrighteous act in the least. I did what I did to get myself through a situation I was forced to be in. To compare it to adulatory, porn, excessive drinking is Ludacris.

I fail to see the moral outrage from copying someone's math homework or faking a report card. I find locking kids in a building against their will for 7 hours plus 90 mins of bus rides a day much more morally repugnant.

There have always been two opposing world views of what truth is;

1. Truth is revealed from outside us.
2. Truth is revealed from within us.

Everybody decides this question and the beauty is we have that choice.

Blessings,
Mark

I get rewards every day. Nobody but me knows it. I am in the service industry and every time I see a smile on a customers face or the relief when they realize they didn't break the bank I get a little lift in my step. I think to hopefully leave this earth better than I found it for my family, my friends and the folks I come in contact with will be earthly reward enough. I had a professional life before this one. I was fortunate to experience a lot of things and was nominated for many awards. I generally turned them down as I had done whatever it was and saw a positive outcome so that was reward enough. The real reward will come when this earthly life is over and I get to celebrate for eternity.

But on the other hand, look in the ghettos at the results of NOT requiring a kid to go to school.
I hated school more than anybody, but it is good that I was forced to go against my will or I would be even dumber than I am.

I dont have a problem making a kid wait till there 16 to quit school. Pretty bad idea though. The job opportunities just are not there any more.

not that I served in the military (I didn't); but I sure as heck wouldn't want to be in a foxhole with you.

Those of us who did tended to get that little issue squared away. Let's just say some folks ain't meant to be in a line unit.

IQ has been shown to be a large factor in life outcome, IQ and grades in school DO NOT correlate. You would have had the same IQ weather you went to school or not, you would of only had less formal education. IQ does correlate to income as someone who is intelligent can choose to remain in a low paying job they enjoy but someone with a low IQ cannot be a doctor, lawyer etc.

Under extraordinary tough circumstances I made it to the top 10% of income earners this year, the school system or my diploma is not the reason why. Ghettos are the result of a congregation of low IQ people who have to much competition in the workplace due to immigration and or an unwillingness to work and have a reliance on Govt.


I made my own job, I have never used my diploma once. One of my biggest regrets is not leaving school the day I turned 16, my parents would of kicked me out but it would of been worth it. The last two years were a total and complete waste of time.




I've had a real job since I was 15, always doing "mans work", find a boss who has anything bad to say about me, find a boss who will say I did not focus and do a great job everyday. By 18 I had a crew of three other men working under me doing work in Windtowers. Some of Y'all want to paint me as lazy or deceptive, you weren't there when I was going to school and working 30 hours a week plus trapping (rats were 6+ bucks a piece then). I saw the Matrix to early, school is largely useless and a near complete waste of time. The only thing school did was make me hate learning, it was when I got out that my real education started.

To me it wouldn’t mean anything if others thought it was earned through less then honest means

And that would go double for myself if I knew it was given to me for or by less then honest means

I’ve never been big on awards in the first place, there nice for kids but i think when you reach adulthood if your doing the right thing it should go without saying. Just my opinion.

Donner, I notice your writing and sentence structure are on the high side of a lot on this forum. It amazes me that you are so good at writing and spelling, when you said school is worthless! I wasn't interested in a lot of classes, but gained immensly from them, even if I didn't know it at the time! Well done!

I just got done cleaning up my old Facebook post, you should of witnessed my writing and sentence structure at 18 after graduation, it was atrocious. As an adult I wanted to be taken seriously so I worked on my writing skills. I realized I had better arguments than many people but was being dismissed due to poor grammar, my grammar is still not perfect but I can get by now at least.

I personally know 2 millioniares that had an 8th grade education. One came from a family of 18 kids, he was one of the oldest, left home at 16 with $6.32 in his pocket and says that was the best day of his life.

Hard work and effort will get you there, if you have the nads and work ethic! I love a success story!

I believe that if YOUR MANE is on it, being a business or a project at work (except on TM) your ethics mean a lot otherwise use an alias and do whatever!

I'm betting there are more than a few more millionaires that graduated high school and likely college than there are millionaire drop-outs.

There are also a lot that have the silver spoon stuck in their mouth too.