No More Fossil Fuels?

Biden and Harris have repeatedly stated that they plan to totally eliminate fossil fuel in the future. Everything will be electric powered by green energy such as solar. Can you imagine solar-powered military tanks, aircraft, etc? I wouldn't fly across town in an electric plane. Electric cars in cold climates would be crazy! Using your heater would reduce battery charge much faster than in warm climates. If you use your electric-powered car when it's -20 degrees, you'd be lucky to go 100 miles before it dies on you.

It seems the practical thing to do if pollution is such a big issue is to make fossil fuel by products less toxic. In my area, the city buses run on propane because it's more fuel efficient and less harmful to the environment.

Don't sweat it. You won't need to fly on airplanes. Won't need army tanks in a utopia all is peace. You won't need big tractors to farm, a hoe will suffice. You won't have any spare time to need boats , four wheelers and such. Your time will all be spent working on your counties collective farm. Unemployment will be 0%.

it's NOT about saving the planet...it's about bringing the USA down economically...

https://www.investors.com/politics/...admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

Right and it shouldn't be that hard to convince all these other countries like Russia, Iran, China, etc, that all is peace and a new utopia. Soylent Green, the movie comes to mind. The government decides when you do everything, even dying.

If somebody promises something in the future. It means they really are not going to do it.

You really never have much productive to say do you?

I was told that green stuff is Pistachio pudding, lol.

A lot of my clients are in the oil industry and I can tell you they are worried. If the communists win the senate race in GA we are hooped. For future reference they should no longer be referred to as Democrats or Liberals, they are communists pure and simple. Dave Rubin explained it well this morning. AOC +3 are the driving force behind the party now, and they are communists.

Alright, fossel fuel ussage will be ended in ten years. Carry on!

They call that bunch the "squad".It is being reported that the "Squad"is going to be expanded from the 4 up to many more.
Some of them have been tagged for cabinet positions apparently.
Doesnt sound good.That bunch are pure commie like you said Dave.
Biden is their hand puppet.

I understood what you were saying Dirt. Promises are easy to make and don't really cost anything.

Soylent Green, now you are going back! Most young people do not know what you are talking about. LOL

The democrats are likely looking into soylent green as a a way to use all the full term, viable, human babies they murder.

Keith

Not only will we lose energy independence but we will have to rely on other countries, including China, for battery storage:

This is a list of countries by lithium mine production in 2019.[1]

Lithium mine production (tonnes)
Rank Country 2018 2019
1 Australia Australia 58,800 42,000
2 Chile Chile 17,000 18,000
3 China China 7,100 7,500
4 Argentina Argentina 6,400 6,400
5 Zimbabwe Zimbabwe 1,600 1,600
6 Portugal Portugal 800 1,200
7 Brazil Brazil 300 300
8 Namibia Namibia 500

well, at least we know China's lithium mines are all green-certified as environmentally friendly...

Trending away from fossil fuels gradually is not a bad thing, and over the period of the next few decades I think we will become less and less dependent on oil. It’s not possible to do today but it will be in the future. The technology will be developed and I think it would be a wise to provide scientists and physicists With the resources to work on it.

40 years ago if someone had told you about iPhones and all the technology we have now you’d have laughed them out of town. Now you’re doing the same to the people who say that we won’t need oil in the future. Very closed minded. Nobody is going to end oil overnight. Or even over a decade. The jobs lost will be replaced by different jobs. You don’t think electric service stations will need maintenance or construction workers? You don’t think that the power plants/solar/wind/ whatever we come up with will need laborers monitoring and maintaining them?

If you don’t think green renewable energy will be viable and efficient in the future you are a fool.

2018 energy consuption

Exactly. Not to mention China's coal-fired plants that are supposedly around 2,000 and looking at building many more. Compare that to the US who has 12 and will be closing two more. But, we are the country that is destroying the world with our disregard for a cleaner environment.

folks have been trying to turn lead into gold for many centuries...

maybe someday they WILL!

I don't think anyone suggested that we should stop working on renewable energy, but even the term " renewable energy" isn't accurate. When you stop listening to the media and use the brains god gave you and do some research you will quickly learn that green energy isn't very green. I could give you many examples but I will let you figure them out for yourself. I know a guy who owns a company that builds wind farms and this is how he puts it, " until a windmill or a solar panel can build themselves you have nothing." Its true too, without oil we couldnt build and maintain those things.

If you think its a good idea to lose our energy independence you are a fool. I suggest you read the book, "The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels."

I have a small solar system at my trapline that consists of two 12-volt solar batteries, one 100-watt solar panel, and an inverter. All told that little system cost me $1000 for the batteries, around $800 for the inverter, and another $1000 for the inverter/charger. I run one 5 watt light and a sat radio. Sometimes I charge things like cameras etc. That system still requires me to run a generator every couple days to charge the batteries. The entire system will eventually need to be replaced so it isn't renewable at all. Then for comparison consider this. Last year I bought a 2000 watt Yamaha generator for about $1600. On eco mode one tank of fuel will last a week. From a financial standpoint the generator wins hands down.

When your energy producers dies you find more of the full cost that isn't being told. Wind turbine blades are being tossed into the landfill. Solar panels are not now economically recyclable either. From what I have been reading thorium salt reactors make way more sense. They can be run off the spent fuel from our other reactors. They can be made to shut down so there is no danger of a runaway.

Wind and solar would be forgotten if they weren't being subsidized. alt Reactor

Green energy as clean energy is a lie.
https://www.prageru.com/video/whats...2gpGauS98Ol-wqXDZSMbFdqHlZ9NJA__bx95zs_E

In the U.S. we have 4 basic forms of reliable energy; Nuclear, Hydro, Gas and Oil, and Coal. Each one has its pros and each ones has is cons. Solar and wind are not there yet and will not be for a long time. One big problem that would solve a lot is for each person in this country to start taking personal responsibility. Recyling doesnt make you more green than the neighbor. What are you willing to give up to help with the problem . Everyone likes that house AC very cold. We like our gas guzzlers to move fast. For the life of me I dont understand why there is not a nuclear reactor on every lake large enough to support one. I believe natural gas is the cleanest as of now, but Im biased as im in the gas turbine industry. But you can forget solar and wind, just aint happening!

how many landscapes have wind turbines spoiled?

I used to be able to appreciate our "purple mountains' majesty"...now, all I see are man-made monstrosities. I see the scars of human-influence on Nature.

Since tax dollars are spent on green energy I wish hydrogen was front and center. As for eliminating fossil fuels maybe in my granddaughters life time...maybe.

and for the record...you can see the [darn] things from an altitude of 30,000 feet!

top ten wind energy States


"Republican Senator for Iowa Chuck Grassley is a strong supporter of the energy source, calling President Trump’s critical statements about wind energy ‘idiotic’"

Wonder if Chuck has relatives/business interest in the wind turbine industry?

Watch the video wildflights posted. Trump is correct to be critical of wind energy. I think Im beginning to understand why AK is turning blue.....

Future energy to harvest will be thermal from the earths magma and tidal energy.

We better find an alternative fast! Remember back in the 1970's we were told we would run out of oil soon! I think it was President Carter that passed the nationwide 55 mph speed limit to save what little gas we had left.

Nixon signed it into law

Because Iowa ( a red State by the way ) is number 2 on the wind energy list? I bet he is big fan of ethanol( another subsidized renewable energy source). Maybe he is swamp people? Are subsidies socialist? If so, what does that make Grassley?

If we do away with fossil fuels (oil, gas, coal), what will fire the smelters to make metal components for the green energy equipment?
How do you make steel and aluminum components, copper wire, and batteries without heat generated by burning fuel? Making heat with electricity is extremely inefficient. Imagine how many hundreds of acres of solar panels or wind turbines you'd need to power one smelter

Let me say this: Diversity of options is a good thing. I'm glad we have options for energy. But forcing systemic change by government fiat is unwise.

What I've heard are proposals to phase out fossil fuels by the year 2050. That's thirty years from now.

Jim

Proposals are fine. If you have the means to implement them. How much corn can be grown if farm machinery has to run on batteries or ethanol?

What will a pair of blue jeans cost if battery powered semis haul them from L.A. to Tennessee and sailing ships bring them across the Pacific? Where do the batteries come from? Material to build them is all in Afghanistan and China.

I dont think any of that will happen unless there are breakthroughs in energy production. The big question is how do we stop Venezuela and Madagascar from producing cheap goods by using fossil fuel?

I am wary of proposals that are fantasy. Just like telling people they are safer when they are unarmed , just because someone would prefer something was reality doesn't make it reality.

V.A. hospital still has a sign on the door that reads : For your protection guns knives or other weapons are not allowed.

No worries. You will be issued your monthly ration of energy along with your food and water.

let the market decide if/when.

This, of course, is the real answer.

Got to make sure them dead people vote first before they turn them into food.

He's just being realistic. Don't be sad.

Most likely conclusion.

Railroads have already figured out how to move trains with electricity. All they need is a few 3000 hp diesel engines to produce the electricity.
Solar panels and wind generators may help a little but only makes sense from a homeowners perspective, and it will have to be government subsidized of course.
Solar would work great way up north where it's dark 24 hrs a day.
Wind power will work great when the wind doesn't blow.
AC power can't be stored.
You can bet TPTB already have it figured out how to line their pockets with the kickbacks.

Its sad that some on here will be ok with that!

What is the maximum MW that wind can produce per acre? Is the land under the turbines useable for anything else, crops, grazing, etc.?

I said earlier that we can never replace fossil fuels. Instead, of wasting time and money on solar, wind, etc, we should be looking for ways to make fossil fuels more environmentally friendly. Natural gas should be considered. Solar and wind are OK as a supplement to energy, but not the solution. Electric cars in a cold climate are ridiculous!

Remember when Obama gave GE over 600M to work on solar powered energy. They couldn't make it and ended up moving to a foreign country.