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Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today.

Posted By: OregonBeaver

Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/14/20 01:53 AM

Spent a good part of the day watching testimony from tree huggers, granola eaters, trappers, cuddle a beaver groups and sportsmen. I've never water trapped a day in my life. But if these groups get a foot in the door..we've all watched it snowball in other places already like Colorado, California. Washington. The proposed petition was to ban beaver trapping on all federal lands here.. 30 million acres! The commission was tied in their vote 3-3 but was shot down in the event of a tie. A great win for us today!
Posted By: trapdog1

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/14/20 01:55 AM

Some good news! Pretty scary it could even be close to a tie, though.
Posted By: 330-Trapper

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/14/20 01:56 AM

Too close though!
Posted By: OregonBeaver

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/14/20 02:01 AM

To close indeed, these anti groups have a lot of money to throw around for publicity, lawyers, data. I fear more and more we're losing traction as trappers in some of our states..especially my own. It was nice to see our trappers association and the president of the nta there to support us in this fight..as well as many others.
Posted By: H2ORat

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/14/20 02:02 AM

remember Kate apointed at least 3 of the comission and her predecessor wasn't any better --- but that is great news. After my hunting experiences this year and the e-mail sent by our fearless odfw head guy - if you fish or hike you will be somewhat fine but expect us to join the WA and Ca consortium shortly.
Posted By: OregonBeaver

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/14/20 02:05 AM

Originally Posted by H2ORat
remember Kate apointed at least 3 of the comission and her predecessor wasn't any better --- but that is great news. After my hunting experiences this year and the e-mail sent by our fearless odfw head guy - if you fish or hike you will be somewhat fine but expect us to join the WA and Ca consortium shortly.


I fear you're right but sure hope you're wrong!
Posted By: H2ORat

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/14/20 02:09 AM

Tell me what to do about it and I'm on it. Short of murder. My influence counts like my vote does in this state.
Posted By: OregonBeaver

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/14/20 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by H2ORat
Tell me what to do about it and I'm on it. Short of murder. My influence counts like my vote does in this state.


Just bringing awareness to people and groups that we have a healthy beaver population and they are a renewable resource. Having a voice in these meetings really helps, or writing a short letter or email. Being part of your state and national trapping association. I try to involve every group I can to fight for our rights. The cattlemens association, ota, ita, nta, Oregon Outdoor Council. Sportsmans alliance, rocky mountain elk foundation etc. Our fur bearer coordinater in our state is great (Derek broman) giving our commissioners facts with an unbiased opinion. The more people we have to present REAL facts and boots on the ground experience. The better off we are in my opinion.
Posted By: SpottedOwl

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/14/20 02:30 AM

They’ll be back. Soon. Spread the word and educate. Do it carefully, lots of turn coat do gooders around, especially wild salmon and trout guys and fly swinging people.



Owl
Posted By: H2ORat

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/14/20 02:40 AM

Originally Posted by SpottedOwl
They’ll be back. Soon. Spread the word and educate. Do it carefully, lots of turn coat do gooders around, especially wild salmon and trout guys and fly swinging people.



Owl

Wait --don't those people live in the cities -- Oh, wait , nevermind. I was always amazed that our trapping laws were so much better than our neighbors - I think that is coming to an end.I would love to know how many have been replaced or left because of Kate( can we send her back to NY or whever she came from) . I have had a huge amount of respect for those in ODFW for fighting the liberal leanings, I am losing that respect rapidly however.
Posted By: beaverpeeler

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/14/20 03:44 AM

I have listened to some of the comments and questions from commission members from the urban areas near Portland.

Among the nuggets: The reason beaver are not building dams in the coast range is because trappers have selectively trapped out the beavers that know how to make dams leaving only the lowly bank den dwellers. (Obviously if we don't see a dam and lodge we don't now there are beaver around). That from a member I shall allow to be un-named from Portland.

My thinking is that a potential commission member should have some wildlife experience or fundamental knowledge. And preferably be a licensed hunter or fisherman.
Posted By: gdccowboy

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/14/20 04:27 AM

And if it’s all about salmon how about the tree huggers go after the gill netters that kills more salmon than everything else combined. Oh but wait our worthless governor got a big wad of cash from them and screwed over the sports fisherman. There’s about as much knowledge used in this state to manage wildlife as there is meat in a toast and cheese sandwich
Posted By: SpottedOwl

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/14/20 04:36 AM

Gill nets are a lock with the commission. To much interest of commissioners being a commercial supplier of the netters. At least we’ll get a new governor in the next election.

No not all of these granola grinders are in the cities. You’d be surprised how much not.



Owl
Posted By: Wild_Idaho

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/14/20 05:15 AM

Get KB out of office and get you a state constitutional ammendment allowing trapping for life. As someone raised in Oregon it pains me to even see this kind of crap on the ballot. Can we just tar and feather KB already? She's done enough damage to that great state.
Posted By: gdccowboy

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/14/20 05:40 AM

Originally Posted by Wild_Idaho
Get KB out of office and get you a state constitutional ammendment allowing trapping for life. As someone raised in Oregon it pains me to even see this kind of crap on the ballot. Can we just tar and feather KB already? She's done enough damage to that great state.

I will second that motion
Posted By: Getting There

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/14/20 02:14 PM

How many trappers were at the meeting? How many trappers are there in the State? How many trapper write there State representatives ? I would bet if there were numbers put to the above question it would be less than 1% and you wonder why you are not wining. JMO
Posted By: Pike River

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/14/20 02:53 PM

Scary how close but a win is a win. Hopefully there is a well put together education initiative to help our cause.
Posted By: Grandpa Trapper

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/14/20 03:35 PM

Good news on the victory even though it was a narrow one. The bad news is the anti’s will keep coming back with their endless source of money until they get what they want.
Posted By: SpottedOwl

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/14/20 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by Getting There
How many trappers were at the meeting? How many trappers are there in the State? How many trapper write there State representatives ? I would bet if there were numbers put to the above question it would be less than 1% and you wonder why you are not wining. JMO





Easy sweet cheeks, you don’t know how it works here. Your numbers are wrong. There’s more than 1% here on this thread. We have been and are winning no matter how it looks. But we’re sinking. We don’t have the needed numbers to constantly fight this and prevail. How many trappers are in Michigan compared to our numbers?

As of mid October when I talked to ODFW, there are about 1400 branded trappers in Oregon(brands are forever since ‘68 or ‘69, death doesn’t take you off the rolls), there are an average of 250 - 300 trappers that get their lisc every season, there are 150,- 200 that actually and actively trap. I have to trust the accuracy of and to the person I spoke with. Of course these numbers fluctuate some year to year. These petitions are public but not announced. Salmon, trout, elk, deer and those are publicly announced and get lots of attention. Trapping unless a vote of the people, is handled "secretly" unless someone is actively looking for such things or stumbles upon it, it doesn’t make the radar. Historically the comment periods for trapping has been about half the time as comment periods for other other commission agenda items. This one was a week, Monday to the vote on Friday. Example, Fish get a month with several public comment meetings statewide in that time frame, before the vote. As far as less than 1%, out of 200 active trappers in the state, you have more than 1% here trying to spread the word and talk about it to keep information up to date and reporting that they were part of the meeting. State representatives have nothing to do with the fish and wildlife commission here, commissioners are direct appointees by the governor until they quit or are retired by the governor. Before you say it, Outdoors men and women don’t have the clout to vote our governor out in this part of the world. The influx of out of staters are sinking us, especially from the state south of us.

The NW has been and will continue to be a hot spot and testing ground for stuff like this. Oregon is the last hold out and they are learning from it. Once they perfect their technique they will start in other areas, like yours. It doesn’t start out as blatant as it has become here, it starts small and inconspicuous.


When these groups lose, they regroup and come back with more, people, groups, money, emotion based "science" in bigger/longer written petitions. Do you think each of the commissioners actually read all 212 pages of the petition?

They will eventually win here through attrition, but we’ll keep fighting them all the way if nothing else just to (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) them off and be a pain in their (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman).



Owl
Posted By: Getting There

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/14/20 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by SpottedOwl
Originally Posted by Getting There
How many trappers were at the meeting? How many trappers are there in the State? How many trapper write there State representatives ? I would bet if there were numbers put to the above question it would be less than 1% and you wonder why you are not wining. JMO





Easy sweet cheeks, you don’t know how it works here. Your numbers are wrong. There’s more than 1% here on this thread. We have been and are winning no matter how it looks. But we’re sinking. We don’t have the needed numbers to constantly fight this and prevail. How many trappers are in Michigan compared to our numbers?

As of mid October when I talked to ODFW, there are about 1400 branded trappers in Oregon(brands are forever since ‘68 or ‘69, death doesn’t take you off the rolls), there are an average of 250 - 300 trappers that get their lisc every season, there are 150,- 200 that actually and actively trap. I have to trust the accuracy of and to the person I spoke with. Of course these numbers fluctuate some year to year. These petitions are public but not announced. Salmon, trout, elk, deer and those are publicly announced and get lots of attention. Trapping unless a vote of the people, is handled "secretly" unless someone is actively looking for such things or stumbles upon it, it doesn’t make the radar. Historically the comment periods for trapping has been about half the time as comment periods for other other commission agenda items. This one was a week, Monday to the vote on Friday. Example, Fish get a month with several public comment meetings statewide in that time frame, before the vote. As far as less than 1%, out of 200 active trappers in the state, you have more than 1% here trying to spread the word and talk about it to keep information up to date and reporting that they were part of the meeting. State representatives have nothing to do with the fish and wildlife commission here, commissioners are direct appointees by the governor until they quit or are retired by the governor. Before you say it, Outdoors men and women don’t have the clout to vote our governor out in this part of the world. The influx of out of staters are sinking us, especially from the state south of us.

The NW has been and will continue to be a hot spot and testing ground for stuff like this. Oregon is the last hold out and they are learning from it. Once they perfect their technique they will start in other areas, like yours. It doesn’t start out as blatant as it has become here, it starts small and inconspicuous.


When these groups lose, they regroup and come back with more, people, groups, money, emotion based "science" in bigger/longer written petitions. Do you think each of the commissioners actually read all 212 pages of the petition?

They will eventually win here through attrition, but we’ll keep fighting them all the way if nothing else just to (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) them off and be a pain in their (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman).



Owl


Owl

Your reply is 100% right, my point. The more trappers that you have at the commissioners meetings the better your chances will be. Michigan has the same problem, Michigan was shot down on having a Dove season along with other issues. So you are not alone. You are right, the tree huggers will be back. Trappers and hunters are dropping off in most States. The more trapper and other people you can get involved the better you will be. Trapper are on the low end of the food chain to many.
Always remember if you do not blow your own horn no one will do it for you. JMO
Posted By: wy.wolfer

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/14/20 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
I have listened to some of the comments and questions from commission members from the urban areas near Portland.

Among the nuggets: The reason beaver are not building dams in the coast range is because trappers have selectively trapped out the beavers that know how to make dams leaving only the lowly bank den dwellers. (Obviously if we don't see a dam and lodge we don't now there are beaver around). That from a member I shall allow to be un-named from Portland.

My thinking is that a potential commission member should have some wildlife experience or fundamental knowledge. And preferably be a licensed hunter or fisherman.

I can't help it but this brings to mind the words and album title of one of my favorite comedians, Ron White, when he exclaims "YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID".
Posted By: gdccowboy

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/14/20 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by Getting There
How many trappers were at the meeting? How many trappers are there in the State? How many trapper write there State representatives ? I would bet if there were numbers put to the above question it would be less than 1% and you wonder why you are not wining. JMO


Nothing like people trying to spread the word and fight for trapping and having someone that just has to try to run them down shows real moral character JMO
Posted By: Getting There

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/14/20 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by gdccowboy
Originally Posted by Getting There
How many trappers were at the meeting? How many trappers are there in the State? How many trapper write there State representatives ? I would bet if there were numbers put to the above question it would be less than 1% and you wonder why you are not wining. JMO


Nothing like people trying to spread the word and fight for trapping and having someone that just has to try to run them down shows real moral character JMO


The last thing I would do is run anyone down that is trying to get a rule change passed that I agree with. It takes a lot of effort, time, funds and organization. The more people (trappers) that are working on this rule change the better but in most cases this is not the case. That is where the l% come from. You are not alone. JMO
Posted By: beaverpeeler

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/15/20 12:07 AM

Would like to share an email I got this morning from a retired game warden that works tirelessly on our behalf. He was one of many that testified via zoom at the virtual commission meeting yesterday:

" A heart felt THANK YOU to everyone who worked with and supported the Oregon Trapper's Association in our quest to maintain the opportunity to engage in our most precious outdoor pursuit. While the petition was denied by a tie vote of the Oregon Fish and Wildlife Commissioners yesterday, it became apparent during the Commissioner's discussion that our sport and Oregon's trappers are in peril. I was completely disgusted and angered by the personal attack endured by ODFW's Derek Broman during open testimony, and have reached out to him and thanked him for his professionalism and in-depth knowledge of not only the dueling science of the issue, but the human dimension aspect as well. Oregon is blessed to have such a qualified young scientist/biologist working for the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife!

The Beaver Work Group and the Trap Check Interval Work Group that are being formed will provide each of us and our organizations the opportunity (hopefully, equal opportunity) for input on how best to manage Oregon's fur bearing wildlife. While I agree with the concept of the work groups, I also fear that the disrespect for trappers and the dismissal of our first-hand knowledge of beaver and all fur bearers as citizen scientists will be overshadowed by the anti's and their supporting academics. The message that was repeatedly expressed by those supporting the petition was how if Oregon bans beaver trapping, beaver will become abundant and thereby mitigate the negative impacts of climate change and prevent devastating wildfires.

This message in my opinion is a subterfuge. It is clear to trappers that beaver and their management is a means to the ends---BAN ALL TRAPPING IN OREGON.

Again, thank you,

Stan Steele

Keep Oregon Hunting, Fishing, Trapping and Sport Shooting
Posted By: OregonBeaver

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/15/20 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Would like to share an email I got this morning from a retired game warden that works tirelessly on our behalf. He was one of many that testified via zoom at the virtual commission meeting yesterday:

" A heart felt THANK YOU to everyone who worked with and supported the Oregon Trapper's Association in our quest to maintain the opportunity to engage in our most precious outdoor pursuit. While the petition was denied by a tie vote of the Oregon Fish and Wildlife Commissioners yesterday, it became apparent during the Commissioner's discussion that our sport and Oregon's trappers are in peril. I was completely disgusted and angered by the personal attack endured by ODFW's Derek Broman during open testimony, and have reached out to him and thanked him for his professionalism and in-depth knowledge of not only the dueling science of the issue, but the human dimension aspect as well. Oregon is blessed to have such a qualified young scientist/biologist working for the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife!

The Beaver Work Group and the Trap Check Interval Work Group that are being formed will provide each of us and our organizations the opportunity (hopefully, equal opportunity) for input on how best to manage Oregon's fur bearing wildlife. While I agree with the concept of the work groups, I also fear that the disrespect for trappers and the dismissal of our first-hand knowledge of beaver and all fur bearers as citizen scientists will be overshadowed by the anti's and their supporting academics. The message that was repeatedly expressed by those supporting the petition was how if Oregon bans beaver trapping, beaver will become abundant and thereby mitigate the negative impacts of climate change and prevent devastating wildfires.

This message in my opinion is a subterfuge. It is clear to trappers that beaver and their management is a means to the ends---BAN ALL TRAPPING IN OREGON.

Again, thank you,

Stan Steele

Keep Oregon Hunting, Fishing, Trapping and Sport Shooting


Thank you for sharing this. Its people like this gentleman, Derek and many others that give me hope for a long future of trapping for generations to come. Itll always be an uphill battle for us. But sticking together ill stay optimistic. I called and thanked jim soares (ota vice president) yesterday for all his hardwork and representing us very well too.
Posted By: Getting There

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/15/20 01:22 AM

Thanks for posting. It has always amazed me that the commissioners will listen more to the people that know the least about the subject than the people that do. The State pay's biologist to do studies but they do not follow there advice. JMO
Posted By: beaverpeeler

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/15/20 04:09 AM

I have been asked to take part in the Beaver Work Group. I'll keep y'all posted in the months ahead.
Posted By: Getting There

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/15/20 04:32 AM

Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
I have been asked to take part in the Beaver Work Group. I'll keep y'all posted in the months ahead.

Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
I have been asked to take part in the Beaver Work Group. I'll keep y'all posted in the months ahead.


Who is heading up the Beaver Work Group? State of Oregon, Private group, Trapping Org. etc.
Posted By: OregonBeaver

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/15/20 04:55 AM

Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
I have been asked to take part in the Beaver Work Group. I'll keep y'all posted in the months ahead.



That's great news! And please do
Posted By: Trapper Dahlgren

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/15/20 10:49 AM

a good read ,everyone could learn from this post , all state need to get active with there NRC. keep up with what is going on in your state , join the state trapper's an the NTA ,
Posted By: Nostalgia

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/15/20 11:26 AM

There almost should be a beaver ban petition in Wisconsin for a couple years the way the feds trap them here.
Posted By: beaverpeeler

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/15/20 04:39 PM

The two work groups were proposed June of 2020 at the game commission hearing on a proposal to ban beaver trapping on the Siuslaw National Forest. At that time the do-gooders also hit us with a proposal to shorten the trap check interval to 24 hours. I believe the game commission proposed this and both sides will be represented.

I was approached shortly after by Stan Steele and asked if I might participate for our side along with another pretty articulate and well informed trapper by the name of David Walp. We both had sent letters in support of our side for the June hearing that Stan liked.
Posted By: newhouse114

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/15/20 04:59 PM

Just as a side note, the above mentioned “retired” game warden and our esteemed beaverpeeler have a very long history. I will refrain from giving specifics but I did have the pleasure of witnessing first hand some of their early interactions!
Posted By: beaverpeeler

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/15/20 05:02 PM

Your idea of 'pleasure' be twisted and perverted sir! "nuff said.

Stan, who is also a trapper had eyes in the back of his head....but he made me a better trapper.
Posted By: old_newbie

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/16/20 12:02 AM

How can the state ban trapping beaver on Federal land? Just curious.
Posted By: H2ORat

Re: Beaver ban petition shot down in Oregon today. - 11/16/20 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by old_newbie
How can the state ban trapping beaver on Federal land? Just curious.

The state " manages" or mismanages alot of our fed lands.
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