yahoo says civil war is very possible

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-ba...d-off-biden-taking-office-015446889.html




take time to read this one

And?

Of course we are on track to war but not because to good people of the Republic want war. It is because our birthright as a free people is being stolen from us. This is just the culmination of what our founders listed as "a long train of abuses".

Wow, all those protests might might seem peaceful when this is all over.

Read it and concluded I need to load more ammo this weekend.

Not only will I have to deal with ANTIFA and BLM but I guess I need to get ready for the Qanon nuts too. All three groups are deranged and enemies of mine in this civil war. And don't forget the feds.

I might conscript the illegals for my army.

This touches on a good point.....there will be more than 2 sides in civil war II.

Fitting, get foreign mercenaries involved, really going all out to parody the fall of Rome.

I am worried more about an invasion of illegals. Dad will work cheap. Mom says her kids belong to a guy still in Guatemala or Venezuela or whatever and signs up for welfare. Borrows a couple kids from her friends too so she shows up with 6-8 in tow.

Don't have any birth certificates or anything cause they were all born at home. Has the paperwork all filled out and in her possession before she crosses the border. Part of the service the coyote provides. Gets pushed to the front of the line for subsidized housing cause they got no where to go. Mom dad and kids move in together. Dad gets a job with a landscaping company for 14 bucks an hour to supplement the 900 dollar cash assistance check and the 3000 dollar a month food stamp card. Mom dad kids and dogs all register as democrats and get mail in ballots.

Meanwhile Americans are expected to pay a 200 dollar tax for each firearm and magazine capable of having 10 rounds, gasoline is 5 bucks a gallon, electricity natural gas and propane triple in price because of new energy tax. The tax burden on the wealthy increases so many jobs are lost in areas where profit is not that great. Things like manufacturing. The huge increase in welfare demands means money gets printed. Inflation rears its head again and the economy crashes.

Muslims are piling in by the tens of thousands. Creating neighborhoods where Sharia law is enforced and Americans are expected to accept it. just like in Australia and Europe.

Law enforcement is cut in half. Murder and theft rates explode.

People are scared and start demanding more government.

That is what I see is likely anyway

A civil war or a very similar amount of disruption is the goal of the extremely, overly obvious attempt to steal the US Presidential Election. It is so obvious, that it is clear enemies of the US are using it to make us hate each other, rather than just get biden into office.

Keith

Russians, Chinese, some of the middle east must be salivating. Sad and scary times.

This is all radical fantasy but if it happened I expect there would be a lot more than 2 sides. Race, wealth, politics, religion and mental illness would all be dividing lines (with.some obvious overlap).

I'll be dug in defending the farm with my wife, kids and maybe my new Latino militia.

Two pictures of what is actually taking place in my humble opinion

Yep.

Nothing I could add except maybe to quote Gary- I know I am paranoid but am I paranoid enough?

Here is my biggest concern. They're likely just sitting back waiting to sweep in while were most vulnerable.

They already have

Qanon will fall by the wayside as the truth of reality is revealed, gunfire does tend to clear things up. The reason we have so many differing conspiracys now is the cognitive dissonance of seeing but not understanding. The human mind seeks order and normalcy and will impose order where there is none.

A re-do of the election using only paper ballots that have signature/citizenship verification seems like the only way to address the problems.

Simple, logical and correct approach to the situation. We all know the libs have been cheating in elections for a while now, no one with any brains doubts that. This election they went all out, using the china created pandemic to their advantage just as they used it to destroy the economy as best they could. They allowed their cities to be burned. looted and taken over hoping to influence the election. They had time to put a major effort into fraudulent votes.

The election cannot be allowed to stand and I am behind first trying to use the system to overturn it and then whatever it takes to overturn it.

God Bless the USA and keep Trump safe. He is our last hope. Thank God he is standing up for America. Thank you, Mr. President!

The foreign governments have been quietly buying our country up for years. Lots of sectors already under foreign control.

Any logical person knows we are being lied to: Biden won, everyone needs a mask, small shops have to close but everyone can pack into walmart like a flock of sheep, there are more than 2 genders, ANTIFA and BLM protests are mostly peaceful, and on and on.

I think that knowing the lies and misinformation is becoming the norm, many are searching for an alternative ways to get the truth.

The truth, lies and reality are actually pretty easy to see.

The socialism cult and the Trump cult have caused most to abandon critical thinking--assuming most ever did it. I'm assuming a lot.

Scary times and anything could happen. Something that isnt getting much press is the various organizations that have sprouted up in different countries. We have a large German population where I live, and most of them are aware of whats going on in their homeland. The hope is this lawsuit could break things open for the rest of us. I dont think there is any doubt that we are being duped on a large scale. Our PM said yesterday that the US/Cad border wont reopen for a long time. What he meant by a long time is anyones guess. Funny how the left was all for open borders just a year ago. Anyway this is an interesting article.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/video-crimes-against-humanity-the-german-corona-investigation/5725795

If there was a redo of the election, using traceable and verifiable.paper.ballots with ID required, and Joe Biden won that election, would you accept him as your president?

Aren't you the guy that just sent me a PM that was a cut and paste of one of your prior posts?

I'm headed to Court. If this thread is still up, I'll deal with you when I get out.

There is no chalk on the chalkboard so it isn’t a chalkboard.

Yea.

Absolutely, BUT every single ballot must be legitimate. That's all we the people expect, the TRUTH.

BUT, I strongly suspect should such an honest election occur it would mean the end of the democrat party as we know it.

I accepted obummer and there was fraud in that election also but not on such a large scale as this election. This is the end game for all the chips, and I am for anything that keeps the republic alive.

The Democratic party is in trouble and will continue to be as time marches on in this next year. Desperate people get reckless along the way. Some things are going to happen to key players and more exposed wrong doing will surface along this path which will begin a domino effect.

In my younger years we were told to fight communism at all costs. Hades will freeze over before I accept a communist as my representative.

I am so sick of the lefts superior attitude that words cannot describe it, include 99% of news media in that.

Wonder what deal with you means? Boco was hopeful that they would put me in an isolation camp. Maybe we will be in the same camp? My "crime" was that I am suspicious of the vaccine. Funny how the left forgets. They said the same thing about the swine flu vaccine, its safe and effective, yet thousands had severe side effects they are still living with today.

What the heck, I have a few minutes before Court starts. Here bowhunter 27295's cut and pasted PM to me. With some short responses.

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It would be nice to have an honest dialogue with someone on the other side of the political aisle I am a registered republican. I would register libertarian but I like voting in the republican primaries. For the one millionth time, I did not support Biden/Harris and did not vote for Biden/Harris. I'll take the 2A challenge against anyone and I wanted Trump to win for that reason. I would just prefer that the Republicans stop embarrassing themselves.

These are hard facts and not opinions. Tell me what you think. Look them up if you don't believe me. See below.

So let's get some perspective here.

Everyone remembers how much enthusiasm the former person who occupied the presidents office generated. Admittedly and truthfully he had massive crowds and chanting throngs of people. You all remember, "yes we can". Songs were made about his last name. You all remember the excitement he generated and how little excitement Mitt Romney generated. Kind of looks familiar doesn't it? In 2012 he received 62,615,406 votes. That was 3,473,402 more votes than Romney received. Enthusiasm and excitement is not admissible evidence in Court. Evidence (in fact, very specific evidence) is how you prove fraud.

Now let's talk about the 2020 vote.

Biden had a lack luster following, AT BEST, and had dozens turn out to his events. Trump had literally 10s of thousands show up for each one of his events. Flags on trucks, bumper stickers, window stickers, yard signs. An unbelievable following with as much or more enthusiasm for his reelection as the former occupant of the presidents office. I sincerely hope no one actually wants to argue about that fact. Enthusiasm is not admissible evidence in Court. Enthusiasm and the number of bumper stickers is not voting.

So here are some numbers.

In 2012, the former occupant of the presidents office received 62,615,406 votes. Remember the crowds that followed him.
In 2020, Biden now has 81,001,401 votes according to what the media is telling us. That is nearly 19 MILLION more votes than the former occupant!!!! This is not admissible evidence of anything.

19 million!!!!!!!! That is the entire population of NC and MI combined. The #9 and #10 most populous states in the US.

!n 2012, Romney received 59,142,004 votes with his lack luster following.
1n 2020, Trump received 74,102,251 with his massive following. That is only 15 million more than Romney.

So based on what everyone saw in this nation and this campaign, I am supposed to believe that the enthusiasm I saw for Biden was equal to 19 MILLION more votes than the former occupant. Y'all do remember the columns and fainting women for him, right? This is not admissible evidence of anything. And see enthusiasm comment above.

I am also supposed to believe, Trump only generated 15 million more votes than Romney. Y'all did see the 100s of thousands of red MAGA hats across this nation, right? Wearing MAGA hats is not voting. Again, elections (and trials) are not decided by the number of hats people wear.

So the former occupant beat Romney by 3.4 million with his millions of supporters.
And now we are told Biden beat Trump by 7 million with Trumps millions of supporters.

Who actually believes this? I am giving hard factual numbers and anyone should be able to see this election is THEFT. The American people have had their election stolen from them. Then we need to prove it--with actual admissible evidence of fraud.

I get it. Y'all are upset about the result and I am too. Lots of upset people lose court cases everyday. You have to show up with EVIDENCE. None of the above is admissible evidence.

What about circumstantial evidence? Wouldnt some of the things cited be considered such? From what I have seen there is a lot of eyewitness testimony as well.

Eye witness account?

Monday morning football was more fun without replays!

The election was lost with mass mail in voting. People should have to put forth some effort to vote--request and absentee or show up.

And, there was likely fraud too with the mail in voting. Was there enough to change the result? Probably not.

If that was my bike I would have got a whippin for leaving my bike in the ditch.

The only thing open was faces with no mask at the covid party's!

And not just the presidential race, look at the 22nd congressional district in NY. After Election Day Tenny, (R) was leading by 28,000 votes.
Then after counting mail in ballots, her lead was cut to 12 votes. Now just the other day, miraculously, 55 more absentee ballots were found in Chenango County. Who wants to bet they are for Her opponent incumbent, Brindisi, (D) ? Election Day was a month ago and they still have not declared a winner.

As far as a shooting civil war breaking out, no way. I’ve said it before, few are willing to sacrifice everything like our founders did.

The Redcoats loved to march in the open and the Patriots would hide behind the ' lets just say the mulberry trees ' and shoot at them with there squirrel rifles. Just bet there was some real bible thumpers in the bunch and not just those that used it for a prop. I guess the modern version might be laying silent behind the mailboxes.

I don’t think there will be shooting either. Maybe some government buildings and media agencies blown up but that’s about it.

This is a quote from the famous H.L. Mencken: "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats". I feel this is the time and I sure have a few in mind.

lol

People are convicted every day on far less. Been there done that.

And you are willing to go and just take that " probably not " and live with it ??? Sad .. very sad . that is the kind of attitude that we see in our gutless republican representatives ..... probably won't make any difference... move along, nothing to see here.

I say defund the police federally and let the warring fashions have at it. Then, after the smoke clears, start everything over including re-funding the police and give them the respect they deserve.

Another couple from him
On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron
Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.

Posession is 9/10ths of the law,so in that case yes-it would be his cause its in his posession.

People are fickle and when "the truth has fallen in the streets" it doesn't take traffic long to move along even if it means driving around a corpse.

There needs to be a referendum vote in the red states for secession of the red states.That would settle it.
Then there could be similar referenda in the conservative provinces in Canada for the same purpose.
Then when that is settled all the conservative enclaves in both countries could form one new country.Any conservatives in the blue country that wanted to, could be welcomed to immigrate and the blues in the red states would be allowed to emigrate if they wanted to.
The borders would look funny-the red country would be basically right up the center of North America and the blue would be split and be like two,one right up North america on both coasts.

Im in

I'd rather have Canadians for neighbors as opposed to a bunch of socialists. I guess you guys are socialist but you started that way, didn't you? Anyway, Canadians are more tolerable.

What are we going by to determine red or blue?

I dont know what do they go by now?I think its votes-no?
You could have a referendum in every state to determine that.

Can I hunt moose as a resident if I throw in?

Deal with it people. The only thing worse than a two party system is a one party system. What makes America great is that we don’t agree but we all get along.

That’s why I asked . We have a RINO governor but a veto proof legislature.

29 counties but the office can be won with 2 counties and Baltimore City.

I’d say we are a blue state.

Those days are getting shorter. I do hope they get all they voted for though.

If I were a senator, I’d be rubber stamping everything they put in front of me.

It will be decided Dec 14, only takes one senator to team up with a house rep to spark this so called civil war, there is nothing civil about WAR, antifa and blm or liberals do not want "peaceful people picking up there pitch forks" we severed our country once and we took an oath that remains and will be protected if forced

Let's do it, Atlanta will burn again.

And what about those that don't neatly fit into either category?

Its as simple as determining boys from girls, the boys wear pants and girls wear dresses. Maybe it will even be simpler for the less in the know people to just figure if you wear a mask your blue and if you don't you are red.

I get along well with people, except for those like PETA and those who vote for people that say they'll take our Gun rights. One in the same imo, and have no place around trappers, also imo.

Even cannibals are smart enough to know if you eat your own, soon you eat yourself out of existence.

Are they truly one of our own??? Nope

Could very well happen.

Survival of the fittest.

Keith, the overwhelming evidence, collected by our own intelligence agencies, (not just idle internet conspiracy falsehoods), is that indeed Trump was elected via in large part foreign interference. And as you say, with the design of tearing the country apart. I would say they were very successful.

I doubt it would happen. Tar and feathers would be more appropriate.

WOW, you mean the same alphabet agencies that lied to the court to spy on an opposition campaign and are now being sued by one of the private citizens they spied on? The same alphabet agencies that used a dirty dossier that was bought and paid for from the Clinton campaign..... ignorance is truly bliss, hoping your bubble is bullet proof..

It's obvious between those who;
Weren't taught American civics during the last 25 years it's been tossed from the NEA curriculum,
And those who skipped class and went fishing when they did teach it,

we have some very uneducated individuals when it comes to the history of political systems in this world.

6 pages because 'yahoo said'............I said the same thing months ago and that was gone in 60 seconds......

^^^

I just want to remind people here on Trapperman that most of the same people who said corona virus was fake or not a big deal are many of the same ones who are pushing this election conspiracy theory. Now, we have many, many people who have suffered because of the virus, even here on Trapperman, and they want you to believe them again. I question their credibility.

Even Bill Barr, the United States Attorney General, said there was no evidence of widespread fraud that would have affected the result of the election.

DA,

I'm not one of them but I am someone who wonders why such a media bias, why have political parties become so inward focused, and why are people clamoring to be taken care of by their elected officials?

The train is off the tracks as power hungry officials try to club each other thinking the masses are inept.
Politicians in my lifetime have progressed to not even offering a POA when they're elected, save DJT, in the mold of R. Reagan.
Giving away freebies isn't a plan, that's graft, and it's not what America was founded on.

Agree?

Blessings,
Mark

I do not care what barr said.

what is a poa?

Plan of Action

And Bill Barr? As is being reported, the US Attorney in Michigan didn't even show up to the legislature testimony? That is impossible. That'd be their #1 job at this juncture, but I guess many have been told to stand down? By who? Bill Barr is my guess. After all, he's BossMan.

It's getting old being lied to day in and day out.

so much has been compromised @ this point that you cannot really believe anyone but Trump.

I think there is a very good possibility that if he has no alternative he will declare martial law and order a paper ballot election to be held. biden/harris is a direct threat to the constitution.

They didn't need to cheat so much with Hillary because she was a shoo in. No way a reality star could beat a Clinton!
Boy, were the progressives ready this time.
Come on man Joe never even campaigned yet got the most votes in history.
I guess we see how a candidate can win in the future.
Hide.

And wait for the vote counters to engage at key points right around 2 to 5 am.

This is the star witness for the Trump campaign. Even Giuliani was trying to shut her up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHLIdAbr0kQ

Martial law is off the table, period. As is any sort of do over or revote, there's no legal authority for it either constitutional or otherwise.
However, should the constitutional legal process be properly applied and this ends up in the House of Representatives for a Trump win there may be a need for the Insurrection Act to be invoked.

Bill Barr was misquoted by the lame stream media. He said there was no widespread fraud proof "at this time"
Today a contractor for Dominion Voting Systems, who worked at Detroit's TCF Center on Election Day, has told Michigan lawmakers that she saw roughly 30,000 ballots being scanned multiple times by the counting machines.

Google the Black Robe Regiment.

I'd be honored to have Brother Mark serve as our chaplain if it goes there.

Biden's lies are well chronicled, he sniffs everything is sight and the left has no interest in letting investigations go forward into Biden & Son corruption.

They should layout all of these allegations in court of law, under oath. With respect to Bill Barr’s statement: “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.” Is there something you or someone you know has that would change that?

I think it is perfectly fine to exhaust all the legal remedies, but at this point in time it is evident that trump nor his team have any proof of fraud that will hold up in court.

Maybe, just maybe, in the year 2020 television ads could be considered a better way to campaign then having rallys ? My guess is you reach more people with a telivision ad than a rally. I'll leave it up to the tman peanut gallery to decide.

The election was a fraud, Trump did not lose.

This is going to be the best 4 years ever. Especially after January and then Casey Jonesing right on through 2022.

Is it safe to hunt rabbits with a dog and a bow?

The liberals here don't want to see the truth.

What you left leaning folks he seem to ignore is the fact that there was cheating going on. Even if it would not change the outcome of the election, the people who did cheat should be held accountable for their deeds. That would mean that shotgun joey would be the firs wannabe president wearing an orange jump suit together with a bunch of other people involved in the cheating. You just can not just let this go and say ... Well it probably would not have changed anything so its ok to cheat

These folks need to be crushed. Trump em, then say 'you have been Trumped, again'.



I would love to see it happen.

biden, back to your basement you go....

Would be awesome indeed.

You need to get off ABC, CBS, MNSBC and watch the hearings they are having. Last night it came out a semi load of ballets went from NY to PA by USPS. It is not legal for the votes to cross state lines. But they did. Why would they move ballets from NY to PA do you think.

Exactly

The last thing we want and the first America's enemies want is a Civil war. However, I don't see a bunch of sissy girl, purple hair boys, living in mama's basement, being much of a threat. The ironic thing, is these thugs wanting to defund the police and the only thing saving them is the police.

Give Trump his participation trophy then he will be happy and go home.

There are videos from private security cameras in the stadium where vote counting was going on. They kicked all off the Republican pole watchers out and 2 women in yellow shirts began to stuff ballots for over 2 hours into 3 machines. No one knew the cameras existed.

Viewed live during the hearings in Georgia today!

I heard about that to Oh Snap.
If a civil war breaks out my plan will be to attempt to cut the tongue out of the snake. Would be top priority.

They gave your mini Queen a Whirling Dervish dress and a makeup kit.

Are these videos available for viewing?

https://youtu.be/OJCjQ3loO34

For real?

https://youtu.be/oQ9YGSMY2xg

Nope.He truly cares about this country.

Maybe, just maybe, in the year 2020 television ads could be considered a better way to campaign then having rallys ? My guess is you reach more people with a telivision ad than a rally. I'll leave it up to the tman peanut gallery to decide. smile



Only if those sitting in high chairs choose not to recognize those rally's.

Good video. Must see.

You know of an honest judge with a backbone?

Why would a for profit television network cover a campaign rally? It is just an ad. It is not news. No money in that. We love capitalism. Not freebees.

P.S. I hope FOX was getting paid to cover them.

My grandfather is on his deathbed and my grandmother is sitting next to him on oxygen right now, alone, in a small nursing home in northern NH that has been torn apart by covid. Is this all trumps fault? No. Did he make light of the virus, fail to provide leadership on a national level and discourage masks and social distancing? Yes. Does he love America? Maybe some part of it. I guarantee you there’s a whole lot of American he doesn’t give two hoots about. Different than any other president? Probably not. But let’s not fool ourselves.

He cares about fame. Glory. Power. Praise.

He says what you want to hear. Not the same thing.

The left is willing to relinquish or sell your birthright for a mess of Portage. It's all about control, the antithesis of freedom.

I’ll play devils advocate. This video could be a laundry Matt for all I know? It’s kinda like the ghost recordings. Sounds like a bunch of nothing until they tell you what it’s saying, and then it’s obvious......but would they be stupid enough to try to fake a video for evidence?.......would any traitors be stupid enough to not check security cameras before the theft? The biggest heist ever and they are caught by a video camera? I’m sure there were a thousand cameras but this one was left on? They didnt check? Even I know to bust it with a rock or spray paint it. I don’t buy it’s a camera they didn’t know about. That would have to been missed several times during thorough checks before doing something like this. I hope to god it all pans out for us, but I’m starting to think the corruption may just be too deep.

Agree 100%

I wonder if the forum lawyers believe this video would be admissible evidence in court?

I think its more likely this sort of thing has been going for some time at different levels. They weren't worried about getting cought so why look for cameras.

Careful,biden might send cornpop after you.

Why would a for profit television network cover a campaign rally? ,......um for profit?,..but maybe they choose to follow an ideology ?
Most main stream media outlets feel comfortable with that.

Maybe the forum attorneys could explain why none of the three US Attorneys residing and working in Michigan attended the recent legislative session regarding testimony about election irregularities?
If no one shows up, there truly is NOTHING to see here.

Doesn't add up?

No. Did he make light of the virus, fail to provide leadership on a national level and discourage masks and social distancing?

I don't recall him making light of the virus,.he recognized its implications and weighed it against shutting down an economy. he battled covid ( china virus) as facts became available.
It's display is a progression in which his administration has reacted. That reaction has given the American people a vaccine,..a vaccine rewarded to the American people in a time frame that is unheard of in modern acceptability.

Maybe they had actual cases to work on, Mark.

Jim

How about the video James. Admissible evidence?

Wrong answer "minka$$"

News normally does not cover stump speeches as they are basically the same thing over and over. Nothing newsworthy. This is nothing new. Who would want to watch the same program over and over?

Some of you guys are going off the tracks, and you ought to know better.

This is the most far-out conspiracy theory I've ever seen. Bigger than Roswell. Bigger than Bigfoot.

Fraud on the scale that would influence the election has not been shown by anyone. There's just fake evidence and allegations.

You guys are like a little league football team that lost and is trying to blame the ref. So instead of losing they declare victory and try to take the ball.

I've heard of mass delusions, and now I've seen one.

Jim

Not by itself, it isn't.

Jim

James,
You're above that sir. This isn't about Trump. Never really was.
My favorite pic today from the GA hearings is the man suddenly carrying a suitcase to the counters after all the GOP people were asked to leave because counting was concluded for the night. Water main break?

Wrong. 4 people counted for several hours and they are on camera doing it until 1:00 am. They counted into the night.



The video of the felonies in action is much better.
I've always despised cheats.

Lots of reasons a man might carry a case. Anyone around to explain what's going on there?

Jim

You're joking right?

Whoever won, lost, and draw.....
people need to be arrested over this blatant scheming.
GOP folks told to go home and suitcases come out from under tables?
Conspiracy to commit.....
and they did it.

It could get real interesting and if it was Sam I Am for President I'd feel the same way.
Who gets to vote in this nation James?

Mark, if this isn't about Trump, why do we have people on here acting like his words are evidence?

Jim

You guys should bet Jim $50. Your horse may have legs.

So you've already ruled out, without hearing them, any innocent explanations for what is shown?

Jim

The video is evidence of illegal activity. Those who say differently are blinded by hate.

Isn't it amazing? All the time and energy they're wasting here, and all they have to do is come up with fifty measly bucks to bet with.

They must have a lot of confidence in what they're saying.'

Jim

Hey James, just curious. If someone you knew and cared for was murdered(God forbid) and there was an eyewitness to that murder. Would you put any stock in that eyewitness? Like I said, just curious and don’t want to argue because I’m not in the same league as some you fellers that are constantly at each other’s throats.

Suitcases at a polling place counsellor?
I haven't said Trump did or didn't do anything but question.
My family members died to protect this nation James and this crud has no place.
Let the legal winner win and the people's voice be heard.
Not this crud.

Dirt what you do for a living? Curious because you said the federal government had you shut down.

To the untrained eye maybe. An explanation is coming, be patient you peasant.

I don't attack the people here. I go after their claims and arguments.

If they can't defend them, maybe they should revisit their opinions.

Yes, an eyewitness, subject to cross-examination, is good evidence.

Jim

According to Fox news the Georgia Sectary of State debunked those claims.

I'd love to hear what the poll workers explanation for suitcases big enough to tote 10,000 ballots would be. Who's asking anyone James?
Serve-Pro = like it never even happened.

When I see coyote crap, and smell coyote crap, and step in coyote crap,
we got coyotes.

News normally does not cover stump speeches as they are basically the same thing over and over. Nothing newsworthy. This is nothing new. Who would want to watch the same program over and over?

Not me!,..I'm a victim of 20 second reflections of news bites!,..its the long haul and its ramifications in a coordinated effort that has me concerned,..as most should be,..but attacked for it.

Eye witnesses are unreliable. You should have learned that already from the George Floyd incident.

The irony behind your words is baffling. “Let the legal winner win and the people’s voice be heard."

Don't confuse them with facts, Desertambition.

Jim

What facts James? The GA Secretary of State can claim whatever he likes. The video shows differently.

DA,
Are you an American citizen?
That'd be a theme (part) of Article 4 of the Constitution.
Problem with its premise?

Good grief

Ok. True patriots go take your country back now or consider yourselves tough-talking civil war-fantasizing windbags.

It’s in the works. Relax and watch the show.

James, that is a profound statement and solid advice. Thank you for posting it. JTG

"Eye witnesses are unreliable. You should have learned that already from the George Floyd incident."

That's why I said "subject to cross-examination."

Under cross-examination, the Floyd witnesses folded.

Jim

I think this "incident" was explained by GA officials.

But let's suppose this is one documented instance of fraud. Enough to overturn an election?

Jim

The useful idiots (socialists) are always the first ones killed by the communists.
Why?
Throughout modern history, the socialists have led the rebellions against homelands, but they can't be trusted so....
All the devout communists use the socialist idiot masses and then when the work is finished and the government has been brought to bear,
the real commies take over and...
pop-pop-pop-pop.

The irony behind your words is baffling. “Let the legal winner win and the people’s voice be heard."

Isn't that what we are waiting for?

James, you're the only mass delusion. & anyone who denies the dem election fraud is out of touch with reality. You need some meds

This place reminds me of the direction of our country...slowly being taken over by liberal idiots!

Fish and hunting guide. My fish customers are banned by executive order still.( At least the last time I checked.) Maybe next summer. Luckily I got to do sheetrock this summer. Not my favorite job. Jack of all trades, master of none.

Hey, Patrapperbuster: Got $50?

We'll see who's under a delusion.

Jim

All we heard from democrats for 3 years was that DJT colluded with Russia. After a 40+ million dollar investigation it was proven false. Most democrats knew the claims were false from the start but they left the tax payer on the hook to fund the investigation hoping for some kind of political benefit. But in the end, Trump was right and most of the media and 99% of the democrats were wrong.

I don't know whether Joe Biden won the election fair and square or there really was large scale fraud that tipped the scales in his favor. I am open to either possibility. However, there is certainly enough evidence to make one suspicious. Given how the Russia hoax played out I think DJT deserves the benefit of the doubt. Why is this "conspiracy" any different from the Russia hoax? Why do never trumpers have a problem with a further look into possible large scale election fraud?

Applying the flip test, I would still want the same. If I saw what appeared to be suspicious activity during the Trump/Clinton election, despite how much I hated Hillary Clinton, I would still be o.k with a subsequent investigation.

If folks feel like their vote wasn't counted fairly, or they were cheated, than there is a good chance they won't vote in the next elections.

Place politics aside and do what is good for the country. It has nothing to do with being a Trump fan or Biden critic. It has to do with an American believing that their voted counted! Why would anyone see it otherwise?

ol'dad

Why? need $50 for meds?

That's an out right lie

I hate doing sheetrock.

The EO you mention was from our illustrious governor, right?

Jim

Well had I been king you would have still been working. I always thought the vulnerable should have sheltered and the healthy kept going. Maybe next summer ....

I got 50 bucks says there is voter fraud

Trump is talking about preemptive pardons for him and his kids. Funny that one would a need a pardon if one is not guilty of something, don’t you think?

Fun Fact: Innocent people don’t ask for preemptive pardons.

No thanks, already have plenty of meds.

Have you been hiding? I've been offering a fifty-dollar bet, but so far no takers, not even among those screaming the loudest.

Jim

No! Trump executive order banning Europeans. You know, because they are infected.

X2

You've got to think these bets out a bit, before you post an offer. So you say there was voter and I say there wasn't, and we both hold on to our fifty.

A bet has to turn on a simple, verifiable fact. Like who will be our next president, or whether the Supreme Court will award the election to Trump.

Jim

Yes, there are. Maybe he flew in from Venus to witness an earthling election and that's his suitcase.

Maybe the better question is just why would someone carry a sealed container into a "secure" area that is closed to outside materials?

Start from there.

DA,

You may not realize this, but you say Trump a lot. Usually not with a nice tone. He is our President and after all, remember what fifty year politician JB says, "Now that he's been elected, he'll begin the healing." What was he doing for the other 4+ decades?

Ya still need more meds i see

We're out-numbered, but we stand taller in logic and reason.

Jim

No, I'm fine on the meds.

But you have to come up with fifty bucks if you want to keep playing.

Jim

I got 50 bucks says there is voter fraud[/quote]

You've got to think these bets out a bit, before you post an offer. So you say there was voter and I say there wasn't, and we both hold on to our fifty.

A bet has to turn on a simple, verifiable fact. Like who will be our next president, or whether the Supreme Court will award the election to Trump.

Jim
[/quote]


Oh , I thought it out alright ........you dying to make a bet , why not take mine ?

That there is pretty funny, James.

Sooo..you are admitting you are a liberal idiot??

And we can SEE that it's not a folder, a satchel, or a purse. It's multiple large suitcases. Maybe snuck his dogs in? Maybe thought that after he'd told the GOP poll watchers to go home, the counting was discontinuing, that they could watch some movies from the suitcase archives?

Funny how the 3 people and the suitcase driver keep on counting for hours. How many votes is that for each candidate. Let's find out?

That's why I'll never be a democrat. They are a win at all cost bunch. The party of JFK is gone.
I may not even be a republican.

I'm a Bible thumping, gun owning, animal trapping conservative constitutionalist.
We're the last of the Mohicans.

Antigov: I wasn't born yesterday. Guiliani and the Kraken may not be able to prove it, but you'd insist there was voter fraud until you die, clutching your $50 bill to your chest.

I've never claimed there was no voter fraud. There were probably isolated instances by supporters of both parties--as with every other election.

Jim

Gonna need a wall !

Your idea of logic and reason differ greatly from mine.


"James -
My own thoughts are that we'll have to watch the Biden administration closely, and stand ready to fight efforts to impose new gun control.
For instance, I'm willing to donate to Pro-Second Amendment groups to help fund the inevitable lawsuits".



ol'dad

The posted YouTube video i watched is not admissible by itself. If a party could show the footage is authentic and relevant, admissible.

The Rules of Evidence are a good thing.

I can't believe y'all are still at it. Actually, I can.

You're not in touch with reality, med boy. We all know it. We've given ya enough attention

For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHyTZUox_h8

No $50?

Somehow I'm not surprised.

Jim

Of course there was. You know just the usual few like always in an election the set records in numbers in all categories that do not match any known historic pattern.
You think that usual few may also be record numbers that do not match any known historic pattern?

News just in!!!
Venezuela elections were an overwhelming success.
98% of the electorate voted once again for Presidente Maduro! Viva la Maduro!

In a public statement Maduro blamed president Trump for him not getting 100% of the vote, but he did thank the Dominion voting machines for once again delivering fine tabulating efforts.

Now back to the trash dumps where our own Miguel Raymondo is interviewing peasants looking for food;
"Yes, hello Hector, I'm here at the main city dump asking people why they voted for Presidente Maduro and I can't seem to find anyone who voted in the election. In fact, they are frightened to learn that there was an election and they want to know if they can still cast their ballot for Maduro? I believe they can up until 4 weeks after the election. Isn't that correct? As long as it's for the Presidente."

Warrior, do you have any evidence to support your factual claim that this election didn't match any known historic pattern?

We do know the 2016 election didn't match any known historic pattern. What do we infer from that?

And yes, this election set records for number of voters--by both sides.

Jim

That's all you got D___ A__ ? Lol

They come down hard on grandmas who vote Trump twice.

She coulda voted dem 100 times and been promoted in the ranks.

Gawd James Ill send you 50 bucks if it will make you shut up about it!

Mark, I'm surprised you're not doing better in this discussion.

But your position is untenable, so maybe I shouldn't be.

Jim

Reading this is like watching the smoking gun woman in Michigan.

LOL! Good one.

Seriously, all bet proceeds are to go to the Trapperman Defense Fund. I'm sure your $50 will be welcome or any size donation you care to make.

Jim

I will make a contribution.
Where do I send it?

James is a harmless softy. He's a fiction writer who see everything through the prism of legalism and logic, yet sometimes the logic trips on the prism, tips over the legalism, and the world passes on by.

Plus he's a long ways from any credible news feed I guess?

We love you counsellor.
You realize that right?

But don't try bringing mongo suitcases to a polling location, especially if you're the top election official at that facility.
It'll smell funky AND fishy.

Blessings,
Mark

[b]I always thought the vulnerable should have sheltered and the healthy kept going.

Yep,...but we are subject to governmental/media control ,..and that control suggest we hunker down,..if only to appease what the mob /media has established.
Where and what future are we looking at?

I got one hand tied behind my back and one leg propped on the dining room chair.
I'm also finishing an apologetic for the Book of Job, about 20 pages, so my focus is in the Lord, as I make a few side bars here on TMan.
Sorry, I can't give my all!

Blessings,
Mark

You gotta get Jimmy to shut his pie hole first ....lol


I offered up a bet , he wouldn't take it ......

Actually James, wall street loves the talk of more stimulus and a vaccine and who knows what. Been an incredible past two weeks on wall street. I'm big into ADS and we're paying tuition and then some with that chart. Visa, MasterCard, and ADS are all ^^^^^^^.

Plus this news is encouraging. JB will stop it for sure.

Thursday:
Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe on Thursday told CBS News reporter Catherine Herridge that the communist Chinese government is using blackmail, bribery, and covert operations to target lawmakers on Capitol Hill as part of a broad effort to influence policymaking.

Y’all, do you remember when the republican senate blocked 3 election security bills? I do.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/482569-senate-gop-blocks-three-election-security-bills

[b]I always thought the vulnerable should have sheltered and the healthy kept going.

Yep,...but we are subject to governmental/media control ,..and that control suggest we hunker down,..if only to appease what the mob /media has established.
Where and what future are we looking at?

Yeah, I can't help looking at the video through a legal prism, Mark. My view is relevant because the claim of fraudulent voting will be decided in the legal arena. So don't try to pooh-pooh the toolkit I'm bringing to this discussion.

You'll note that both of the attorneys here said the same thing regarding the admissibility of that video.

The evidence rules aren't legal technicalities. They're intended to limit admissible evidence to "good" evidence.

By itself that videotape isn't good evidence. Not without a witness or two who can authenticate it. Look at it from the court's view: the video might show anything; could be just some random office.

But let's suppose you have a witness to authenticate the video. Is it now admissible? Shouldn't be. In fact the proceeding shouldn't be at all. Why not?

Because we have no opposing party present. Georgia is entitled to respond aren't they? To test the evidence by cross-examination?

You think that's fair, don't you? Shouldn't we listen to Georgia's explanation for what the video shows? Maybe it's entirely innocent. Or maybe there was an honest error in judgment. A court doesn't presume fraud, which has to be shown by a higher standard of proof, clear and convincing evidence.

I suppose no one's going to read the above and pay attention to it, but I hope you do, Mark.

Jim

I didn't read all 12 pages, has the war started yet?

Only on here!

Let me get this straight. If my home was burglarized and my home security camera filmed the burglary, that video wouldn't be admissible as evidence in court?

I didn't read all 12 pages, has the war started yet?

Yep,....save your powder,...save your thoughts.

J Staton, your home video would probably be admissible, if authenticated by your own testimony.

But the other side would have the opportunity to cross-examine you and offer their own evidence and explanations.

We still don't know, in this thread, what Georgia says about the claim of fraud by its election officials. Do we?

Jim

You would testify as to it being your home, your security system and a few other things under oath to demonstrate authenticity.

You can't just play YouTube videos in Court to prove your case.

You beat me to it.

The burglar's scumbag attorney would argue that because it was filmed without his knowledge it should be excluded or that just how do we know it's your house being filmed.
First thing to learn in scumbag school is facts don't matter if you can lie your way around the truth.

We should have a T Man Trial on Zoom.

I call dibs on cross examining Warrior.

Then I get Mark! lol

Jim

That should be fun. Last time I was cross examined I had the prosecutor on the ropes with his jaw hanging open and the jury laughing. Never knew what hit him.

It would be indeed.

He forgot the first rule, never ask a question you do know the answer to.

You know -- there is ONE easy solution to this issue. How about 6-weeks from today we have a new election. That should give us time to put better measures in place to ensure the legitimacy of the elections. Lets give every LEGITIMATE registered voter a marble and have them report to a few stations to dump them into the caldren. At least 4 people (two from each party) need to represented at the counting of the marbles. Does it really matter if it takes until june to count them all {not to me) At the end of that we can declare a winner and proceed --- until then I will believe there was huge amounts of fraud. I will willing abide by the new election results ( as long as the politicians have not gotten anywhere close to it.) and accept the winner. This is not about trump or biden. This is about accountabillity and even legalism.

I want to be the judge

I misplaced my crown royal bag of marbles about 30 years ago. Will that be a problem?

I agree that almost all lawyers are very jaded from their profession. You are what you eat so to speak. We have two right here on this thread that think they are very special. One says all this unproven stuff about Trump and then says nothing matters unless you can prove it. Its very humorous.

Yes, civil war has already started. I wonder why Trump pardoned Flynn recently? A well respected spec ops general?

"You don’t get two bites at the apple."

I want to give out the punishments.... stuff like lawyers found in contempt.

No, civil war has only started in your head. Not going to happen. Who’s going to kill who, over what, on a mass scale? It’s your tough guy fantasy. Wake up.

Things sure turn fast around here. The other days everybody loved lawyers. Sindey and Lin and Rudi.

PS Sidney may get sanctioned.

You can't just play YouTube videos in Court to prove your case.


Are You tube videos inadmissible>?

Unfortunately we are up against a constitutional deadline and it can't be done. The only constitutional remedy is for the state legislatures to intervene and assert their mandated authority to select or not select their own slate of electors as they see fit.
I honestly doubt even SCOTUS can help at this point save for finding that states failed to follow their own rules. Even then it's questionable they even they have the authority to completely invalidate a state election.

Yes -- coos that will be a problem you see that with rights come responsibillities. By the way the apple is rotten. But we already know that.

It’s a cute idea. But you and I both know plenty of folks are going to dispute how the marbles were counted, who watched and why did it take so long?

When its over,I hope they televise the hangings.
I'll tune in to fox or cnn to watch those,depending on which side wins.

Stacey Abrams wants two bites at her apple! The marble thing makes me think about Animal House. "I'd like 10,000 marbles, please."

This is all academic. Trump lost the election and on January 20, 2020 he will leave the White House on his own or with “assistance.”

Yes,...why did it take so long?

reminds me of obama saying 'Trump will never be POTUS'

When the apple is stolen from you you do.

Time will tell.

Actually, I have no fantasies. I remember a whole bunch of people on here telling me that my prediction 'Trump will win the 2016 election' was a fantasy.

Guess what happened with that?

This is not over.

Most of us already knew that you have lost your marbles. But thanks for the heads up anyway. At least now its official.

Fight it tooth and nail.

Every state court that has had a hearing on the election even with republican judges has said it was fair. He best get pardons for him and his family soon 20 January is soon and free golf is over time to pay the bills.

A few states violated their constitutions with illegal amendments to their voting laws which were implemented for the election. That's just part of it. If you are getting your information from the faker news media your not getting the facts, it is propaganda.

So are we having a trial or a war? And why are Canadians involved?

You can't explain anything to these morons , Marty .

Everyone knows Joe Biden couldn't win on his own , no way in he77

Even if the corruption is deep enough to give someone like Joe the presidency

These jack holes won't be able to put two and two together when all goes down the crapper

I don't really care about the other folks and I don't care how long it takes. RIGHT IS RIGHT, and wrong should be in jail.

yup

Face it-you guys backed a loser.lol.

Obviously our republic cannot survive without trustworthy elections. Four(?) states have held hearings and their findings will no doubt be reviewed by other states. I do think some states will fix election systems in their jurisdictions regardless of whether federal corrections occur.

But of course that will not fix should they occur damages done in the interim by a rogue administration.

Well how does that get changed if the court has denied law suits they hear the evidence including what is in the state constitution. That is the decision and the supreme court will not hear it. I guess guys on here better start the civil war. in the mean time potus better pardon himself the train is coming.

A senile dirty old man is a winner?

We need to stop talking about this crap about a civil war. My guy won this time maybe your guy will win next time, and that’s ok, if that is what the people decide. As a country we have much bigger things to worry about, like Russia, China, North Korea, Iran and that’s just the start. We have folks that don’t know where their next meal will come from and kids that are suffering here in the United States, the richest country in the world! Maybe we need to start taking care of each other because we may have to depend on each other one day, things are pretty crazy around the world.

Good post, Desertambition.

Jim

Please tell me about Joe's foreign policy accomplishments that have made this country safer.

That should be a very good post.

Now we know what "rounding the corner" means.

You guys that think propaganda only exists on the left, you’re so deep in the kool-aid it’s coloring the whites of your eyes.

He didn't lose. The fake news and google don't choose the winner of our election. Just watch and see what happens when the election its over.






"Your guy" is friends/business partners with Russia, China, NK and of course Iran....oh and don't forget Ukraine. I don't think he is worried about them since he already sold us out to them all.

People can’t stomach what it would take to feed the world.

No, for the last time, Trump lost the election!

The person you both just voted for has been in political office for over 40 years, a large reason we are in the divided mess we are in, and you expect him to save you?

Is this more of your shining logic and reason James? Lol

Ol'dad

Can we get on with the gun grabbing, high taxes, reparations, no police, criminal release part so the city folk can git to gettin’?

FDR was right.
His party could get people to vote for them no matter the conditions with free stuff.
And here we are today as trappers debating all things foundational in America.

God
Individual freedoms & rights
The Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independence

Do we not recognize MANY now rebuke the above list?
In whole, or in part.

They mock those who stand for the list above
While they gleefully side with those who censor, cheat, and cause mayhem to deliver a result.

We on the list are proudly saying we are last of the Mohicans.
And please oh please don't offer that a political party, rooted in non-benevolence, will deliver what the above list has always worked towards.
That signifies you have no concept of philosophy, theology, and psychology.

Put me on the stand James
You'll find me a credible witness in more than just running a long trap line.
Ask those who have trapped with me. My tactic = 90% scouting and 10% set traps.

Sun Tzu; Know the enemy, know the terrain.
Whom shall I fear?

Blessings,
Mark

I used to train new associate attorneys with Sun Tzu. I didn't know you were also a fan.

Jim

I am an avid reader. Always have been. 2-3 books per week.
Dad wanted me to take over his legal practice (bankruptcy) years ago, but I just couldn't be inside all the time like pops always seemed to be.
I like the smell of castor in the air too much.

I'm also a fan of a Nazarene from Bethlehem who was a hypo-static union of 100% human and 100% God.
He is the rock upon which I stand.
I'm blessed to live in a free country but my enemy is not of this earth.
Recognizing that is paramount in this life.

Historically, humans used to spend their lives readying themselves for the afterlife.
Now, we just accumulate what we can't take with us when we return to the adam, so I absolutely understand why people gather to themselves at all costs. It's their purpose in life.
How sad and how incredibly boring and unfulfilling.
How can it be so many in the wealthiest nation in human history.... about 1/3... are on anxiety and anti-depressant meds?
Doctors tell us it's mostly from brain chemical imbalance. Perhaps some. But 1/3?
I guess the rest of the world doesn't have our brains.
Or maybe, stuff isn't the soul food we're supposed to be fed in the first place.

Blessings!
Mark

So we should get along. How about this. The democrat party and MSM sowed seeds of hate over DT before he ever took office. This hate continues today and is supported by people like you. You and your party sowed these seeds and if Biden is seated as president I believe the harvest is here. Time for the democrats to reap the harvest of their hatred that they have sowed. RESIST!

History repeats itself they say;

In the biography of Adolf Hitler, himself an anti-globalist, our modern day globalists use Hitler's tactics because they were shown to work in a very short span of time to turn a culture against themselves and against the world's super powers of Great Britain and America (if they dared enter the fray).

"In his speeches of late 1919, Hitler was pioneering a style of propaganda that has defined much of the century since (and which the philosopher Jason Stanley has described in sophisticated fashion). It begins with a total devotion to persuasive technique, passes through the creation of a pure myth, and ends with the speaker leading his country on a chase for fake phantoms that ends over real graves. In “Mein Kampf,” Hitler wrote that propaganda “must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.”

Hitler took the 3% of the native press favorable to him prior to office and turned it 100% for him in the span of 15 years as he led the propaganda onslaught.
Does anyone notice all Americas media now seems to be evolving to one side politically? We should ALL pray that doesn't remain because great wars start during such times.
Or so history tells us.
You don't think it happens? You do not know history. From 1919 until Hitler, it happened in a country that would rise to cause WWII.
And my family fought and died in that Great War. For American ideals. I suppose this of course because I never met those who died for all of us.

"It begins with a total devotion to persuasive technique, passes through the creation of a pure myth, and ends with the speaker leading his country on a chase for fake phantoms that ends over real graves. In “Mein Kampf,” Hitler wrote that propaganda “must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.”

Man, that sure sounds like the human idol worshipped by some here.

Jim

Nonsense. The hate wasn't hard to find during Obama's tenure. You were probably one of the haters.

Jim

You are a liar and a hypocrite.Ten posts back,you said to Antigov,," You say there was voter fraud and I say there wasn't" .You keep hounding everyone for a $50 bet,,he offered you one,,and now your back peddling.Put you money where your mouth is.Problem is,you know there WAS voter fraud.

Some on here think it's bigger than one man could muster, on either side of an aisle.
Fly your plane higher James and look down across all of this grand land.

Hyprocrit JIMMY will weasel a way not to take that bet.

Say, what does your father say about these fraud claims?

Jim

My dad James? Pops is 87.

Yes, yours. Are you suggesting he's senile?

Jim

The MSM would get "tingles up their legs" when Obama was around.
For myself, I didn't like Obama for the racist he was or the policies he and his party implemented. I did however respect the office of the Presidency and since he held it he was at least given that respect. I don't think the same can be said about the political left when referring to DT.

Isn't your father a lawyer?

Jim

No sir. Just giving background. Dad is a retired attorney. 50 year career.
Dad's cognition is 100%. Amazing actually.

We just talked last night and he asked me what I thought.
I told him I believe the battle is not of this world.

He said that may well be the case but in his lifetime, he believes, this country has walked away from the tenets it was founded upon. Dad has always read many of the High Courts decisions and grumbled about D _ _ partisan politicians sitting on the bench. "Bunch of hacks" according to Ray June. Stupid unconstitutional rulings for political standing in his opinion, Pops is a very staunch constitutionalist and used to sit as a dean of admissions to the Detroit College of Law.

I am the apple that didn't fall far from the Ray June tree.

Okay, so you and company are on a mission from God. A holy war.

Your father had no opinion on these election fraud claims?

Jim

I think you should put me on the stand and we can figure you out. I didn't say I was on a holy war. I consider myself a follower of Christ, true, and why is that so off-putting to you sir? Perhaps work with me a day in the ministry field and you may rethink that "mission" you comment on. I minister at present to those in Hospice care. It's humbling. Beyond humbling.

Dad's opinion of the fraud is that those who do it, now openly do it, that it's been going on for "quite some time" and that we will not as a nation of laws, reign them in, because people who want the laws circumvented are now positioned through partisanship in many powerful places. Dad said he saw it in the 1970's, but never thought it'd continue like it has. He says he's sad to watch all the fraud in front of us with no accountably. Dad is a legalist! I mean big time hanging judge. You lie, you get locked up.
Pop says now we clap and celebrate they got away with it.
The old fart is sad about it all.

I like you, Mark, but sometimes you scare me.

Jim

Why don't you take Antigovs $50 bet that there was voter fraud Hyprocrite Jimmy ??

You sound like the coyotes that will be in my traps after Christmas.

You may not be able to peddle along with me so do try and keep up.
I move fast brother.
Us red-blooded John Wayne loving Americanos are a rough bunch for some, true?

You mean your dad didn't inform you that fraud is not presumed, but must be shown by clear and convincing evidence?

Jim

I think dad can see with his own eyes that the court is not even in session James.
He said the inmates are running the jail in this nation.
Dad is from MI and he called me to say none of the 3 US Attorneys were present at the election fraud hearings in East Lansing. He's beyond puzzled. They meet all the time over non-event topics and this topic is front and center and the 3 US assigned attorneys are MIA? Dad has assumed there is more behind the scenes going on because this is not protocol in the slightest.

Dad has to pop another BP pill if we talk too long about it all.
His grandfather died at Normandy fighting what dad calls, "This kind of _ h _ _."
Dad's language can get colorful and he's been colorful A LOT since November 3rd.

I'm sure I couldn't keep up with you, Mark, but I'd hobble along and do my best.

I just posted some of my prose in Pen & Quill forum, if you're interested. Do you like mystery novels?

JIm

I bet I'd enjoy your book for sure!
Yes, I enjoy mystery novels.
We need to trap brother and talk politics and religion.
And trapping techniques.
And Sun Tzu tactics.
And much more.

I like thinkers.
Why do you think I'm a coyote dude?

Gotta run. Ministry and studies (big time) today.
Be safe and don't worry about Covid.
Psalm 139; Your days were numbered before you even were!

Blessings,
Mark

My book has trapping, hunting, and fishing in it.

What else it is, is incomplete. As in unfinished yet.

Jim

Have a good day, Mark.

Jim

Well, they didn't seem to care about cameras.
Posted for our resident TMan lawyers.
Public testimony in GA this week.

There may not be proof beyond a reasonable doubt yet but for me its getting close. Enough real bad stuff that is provable, I would think anybody who believes in self governance would be suspicious of this elections results. You would think everyone would want the truth to come out. Put this mess behind us. Get the winner sworn in. Get the lawbreakers put in a cage.

Some peoples dislike for the current President is so great they ignore the possibility of fraud if it works in their favor

They sure do. Don't have to look far to find some of those folks.

The last 4 years of libs besieging Trump, the fake news media being so one sided, social media 'rules' being so one sided, the polls being so 'off' and one sided, what we have heard so far about states violating their own constitutions to influence the election outcome, what we have heard so far about fraud, then add in the fact that so many cities allowed arson/looting/ local terror takeovers in hope of influencing the election and it all adds up to a massive conspiracy.

News keeps reporting about false claims of voter fraud when the case is not done but reported Trump quilt of all sorts of things for 4 years and he was never found guilty of anything.....it is propaganda with a purpose. This is not over.

So say they turn Georgia upside down and shake out enough votes to not only call foul but prove it so then does that mean all blue states did the same? Does Georgia by itself swing the electro votes to turn it back to the residing? Maybe its one of those keep your eye on the ball things and see the real thing which is who is going to control the senate. A lesson everyone has to for himself is to not keep throwing good money after bad and lose the whole thing.

If you prove election fraud in a few states the senate results could also get overturned. Personally, it is my belief that we need to see this thru and send biden back to his basement.

I guess the conservative part in me says to keep what I got and not gamble on a dream in the sky.

So, I guess you would not have been part of the revolution that made this country possible. You know, when a few local militias took on the premier military power in the world so they could have freedom. biden/harris = loss of freedom.

Yep for sure.Not far at all.1...2....3

They had bags under the tables! Help! Fraud!

I watched your video, Mark. What a waste of time. A lawyer narrator claiming fraud from people moving boxes around.

They should sanction her. Speaking of which, there's a good chance Sidney Powell will be sanctioned by the court.

Jim

You're giving them far too much credit, most of them wouldn't care if they knew. They'd justify it.

Hate to tell you realist this, but there is some amount of fraud in every election. If we overturned every election because we found some fraud we would never conclude many elecctions. If you look , you will find fraud. You will likely find fraud commited by both sides.

Antigovs sucker bet that he wants Jim to aggree to is a sucker bet. There is always fraud.


https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state]Hertige samples of convitions for voter fraud

Well as long as we have wiggle room there is no point in a fight esp. when I am at the end of the road and won't be paying the consequences in the future.There is coming a point where someone will have to call the bluff the libs are using on the second. If its coming might just as well fight it out now and get it over, its also hard to scare people that have nothin to lose, but still have to be careful for those that can lose. My grandma always said: those that have will lose and those that don't have can't lose. I never hardly even heard guns mentioned in the campaign. Why? I don't know. The only thing I saw was a few guys with a gun slung over their shoulders during the vote counting. Seems to me bad advertising for the independents and undecided vote. I don't think intimidation is the way to get.

As far as the revolution, I had 3 ++++++great grandps's in the fight, one was a Johnson, one was a Vise and one was Harrelson . I also had great great grandpas that fought in the war between the states on bought sides. The ones on the south side didn't live to to tell any tales. One of the two that fought on the north carried a mini ball in his hip the rest of his life. So to answer your question of whether I would have been in the fight. I have it in my bloodline. But I've had hounds with good bloodlines that wouldn't hunt, so time has to tell.

My belief is the pen is mightier than the sword, better spilled ink than blood. But if there is no wiggle room sometimes we just have to make some.

James I am convinced your trying to play games now.




I am sure there is a crime when every one is sent home, told the count is being suspended for a few hours, yet the count continues. Counting ballots that were hidden when the room was full.

Is your hatred for a Trump presidency so great that you pretend not to recognize a criminal act?

We all know it is important for Americans to believe in a fair election. It is that reason prosecutors dont want to prosecute election fraud. Looks to me like they need to get on with it. You can poo poo whatever you want but the truth is coming out.

James and his like have Cognitive Dissident problems
They back the side that will take their freedoms
All because of their feelings
Sad really

Hospitals are busting at the seams and this guy is telling people not to worry about covid? People are asking for prayers on Trapperman because of covid and this guy is telling you guys not to worry about covid? Once again these are the people pushing the election conspiracy. Reminds me of that crazy pastor Kenneth Copeland.

It is especially important the older people take care of themselves. This is like telling someone not to worry about jumping out of a plane without a parachute because "Psalm 139; Your days were numbered before you even were!"

The sky is not falling. My 60 year old mom on chemotherapy and radiation (major immune system compromised) my mother in law also in her 60s copd and other high risk factors both contracted it along with many others I know. The news says they should be dead yet they and everyone else is just fine and was within a l3 days to a week. I had direct prolonged exposure (days) yet tested negative twice.

Freak out hide shut down business may that wont be able to re open makes little since.

Believe all your told hook line and sinker. It's not Ebola .

If it was ebola, I'm afraid it would still be of no concern for some. Can't shut down weddings just for the ebola.

The numbers are out in the open now, and common sense says there are more questions than answers. Worry all you want, but the fact is that 98% plus, of all age groups will recover from covid. Pfizer is saying they simply dont know if people who are vaccinated can still transmit the virus to others! So what does that tell you?? Tells me the vaccine might not slow the virus at all. So what is your plan?? Stay locked in your basement forever? The fact is you're more likely to die of a heart attack or on your way to work than you are of the virus.

Voter fraud isnt a conspiracy theory. The evidence is all around you, but of course you wont believe hundreds of eye witnesses, or even videos showing the fraud.

I live in Michigan, one of the harder hit states, yet my local hospitals are running what a normal fall flu season does. The local paper has 8-12 obits a week for the county and has for several years. If I didn't watch the "news" I would not know that Covid 19 existed. I never missed a days work either.
My democrat owner who hates Trump, sure didn't let that keep him from getting payroll protection money to the tune of many thousands.

Then why don't you take the $50 bet,,JIMMY?

Death is natural as are viruses There is no need to worry about it. Once you're in your mid-seventies it's a little late to start taking care of your health. Most of the time the damage is done. Not trying to discourage anyone from living a healthy lifestyle, simply trying to be realistic.

Betting would go against his good Christian values. O wait...

Change is very hard for some people to accept-especially those set in the old ways.
The fact is,the demographic change that is taking place has now reached a point where they can implement the societal changes that they want.
They want an America(and not only in America) that reflects their new progressive values,and as of right now,the balance needle that has been moving one way only for at least the last 30 years has now passed center and the changes that the new demographic demands will become a reality.
Young people of all stripes overwhelmingly do not want the world of the past.Modern technology has made the world more of a global village and people dont look at things as "us and them" anymore.They look at all peoples of the world as one family of man. Time marches on and with time comes change.Young people of today will run the country,and indeed the world tomorrow,and they want change,and inexorably those changes will become reality.Like sand in an hourglass.

"Elections Canada probing thousands of 2019 election ballots with unclear evidence of citizenship"

Fraud even happens in utopias.

Didnt know you thought of Canada as a utopia Dirt.

Unfortunately for them our founders believed in individualism, not socialism. That may mean armed conflict and our military take an oath to the constitution. Not a political movement.

I don't .

Lets hope its not too late when they realize how stupid they are.

"Yahoo says"? I stopped reading the rest.

As the resisted kraut of this forum i had to learn a lot of that very history you are talking about and am seeing it happening right now. I have told my wife that the member of the American Communist party must each have a copy of Mein Kampf on their bedside table as they are using that very blue print that Hitler did. It is scary to watch it unfold for sure.
I do not agree with you on religious things Mark, but you nailed this one for sure. Not knowing history or trying to erase it is a very dangerous thing.

Another aspect is, that given a choice, most humans will take the easy way out. Its the natural thing to do. With politicos offering a bunch of free stuff thats, what people go for. They do not care to think that the free stuff is not free. That would require critical thought and that is one of the things that has gotten rarer over the years. The system is on a collision course with reality and reality was here first and cant be beat.
Having said all that, I have put my 50 bucks in the defense fund. I bought bullets and powder for it.
And now we wait.

Michael

Looks like sleepy joe will get some help. I agree with the CEO of Gab. All of the current congressmen/women and senators from both parties need to be kicked to the curb so we can start over.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...gn-workers-senate-gop-jobless-americans/

Hello, James. Would you please tell us your solution? I understand Trump is not perfect, although why should trappers, hunters and gun owners want to support a party that does not support the issues we care about?

There seems to be a common pattern in thinking with some folks that looking at what is really going on is the same as siding with the other side. Nothing could be further from the truth. Sadly, Trump will not be reelected. That's reality. Recounts, investigations, demonstrations, appeals
......won't change the results. I predict that in two years we conservatives may well take both houses of congress instead of one when people see what's going on but for now sleepy Joe has won.

Biden has not won. He is the real looser in this farce. He may get the title " President" but the very party he represents is already sawing away at the branch he is sitting on and as for the people of this land. well lets just say I don't care what the old crook comes up with. He won't be in the game for long enough to matter one way or another.

That's the truth of the matter.

I don’t want to be the bearer of bad news but if this “thing”, whatever you want to call it, is successful, the Republicans aren’t getting the HOR back and will lose the Senate in 2022.

My bad.
I forget context is missing on a keyboard.
I didn't mean, do not worry about Covid-19 "literally."
I did mean God was/is/will be at the helm and thus the reference to Psalm 139.
If you knew Psalm 139 DA, you'd have the context and I could have saved you your post.
Otherwise, hope man comes up with the answer to how long you have.
I don't worry about how long, when, who, what, where I'll return to the dust. Bodies wither and die. Souls don't.

You gotta get out into that beautiful creation called NM! It'll clear you right up.
The "this guy" is praying for folks just like you. Love your neighbor as yourself and pray for your enemies. Lord, help us with that one because it is very difficult most times.
They do not return the blessing.

Blessings,
Mark

Well the silver lining is the rich will get richer. Hope y'all are already in that category because free money deflates $$$ and regulations hinder entrepreneurship.
Free education and free health care = Cuba will be sweet. Of course, Cubans monthly wages are $37, so muskrat prices are gonna look real good at $.25 per.

So if voter fraud was committed on a massive, national level; can someone explain these Facts:
1. Trump lawsuits about the election: At least 35. Number won. One. Number Lost: 34.
Are the courts, some presided by judges Trump appointed also in on this fraud?

2. I keep going back to the Senate. Without the Senate, Biden will not get any real changes accomplished.
A multi state conspiracy that ignored three or so Senate seats they could have "fixed" seems stupid, yet they're
so smart, nobody can find any PROOF. (See number 1.)

3. Republicans picked up seats in the House. Explain that.

Here's my take: LOTS of us didn't vote for Trump. We Did vote for Republicans. We didn't vote for Trump.
There is a difference.

What are you going to do with all 10 of those cartridges?

https://babylonbee.com/news/secret-service-preparing-bidens-bulletproof-scooter-chair-force-one

By the time I am through them son. There will be more in the street to pick up for free.

Now THAT is comical.

Probably a few extra guns to pick up as well. Always good to resupply just remember to wipe the blood off of them.

Lol

The star witness in Trump's 'voter fraud' case in Michigan only finished probation a few months ago for committing computer crime, DailyMail.com can exclusively reveal.

Mellissa Carone, 33, was sentenced to 12 months of probation for the offense in September 2019, stemming from an incident in November 2018.

The mother-of-two had struck a plea deal with Michigan prosecutors, who in turn dropped a first degree obscenity charge against her.

Not only was she not credible but also a criminal, seriously you need better witnesses and actual evidence. lol

What's first degree obscenity? Sounds like a really bad criminal mother of 2

Breast feeding in a government building without a mask on.

"Election Officials disprove Trump’s viral suitcases of ballots ‘smoking gun’ video”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...itcase-video-ballots-trump-b1766363.html

Like I mentioned, you should walk around the beautiful NM landscape more.
This woman isn't even on a radar short of CNN & MSNBC.

You're making funny with this link, true?

Of course the guilty rats plead not guilty.

I agree, Biden is the definition of “useful idiot.”

I sure hope the O2 inlet port on his new scooter doesn't somehow freeze up and the door locks jam (from the outside with a stick).
It'll be Trump's fault of course.
If'n I was JB, I'd keep all the communists far, far, far away from my scooter.

After Jan. 20, we can all get on our golf carts and join the Trump Train to Florida. Lots of swamp to drain there,

Or we could come dredge the Bering Sea for gold and wave at our new Russian allies.

They are already here. A couple drowned recently. Tipped over a 32 foot boat.

I think that Biden is a lot smarter than some give him credit for.
He is a career politician,sneaky and well connected,I bet that dumb stuff is an act so the opposition underestimates him.
It worked to perfection it seems.
Trump was pretty much useless as a politician,he couldnt get a deal done if his life depended on it.He alienated all his allies and more than half the people in his own country.
He thought running a country would be like his reality TV show,lol.

Seriously? A UK outfit not even on the ground in Georgia?

How about an actual Georgia citizen here. What occurred on that video tape is clearly a violation of our election law. Gabriel Sterling is a hired flunky with but one task and that is to not get the SOS office sued by the race hustlers at any cost. That is the "official" unspoken policy of the Kemp/Raffensberger team. I live here and have seen it in action. Last year Kemp held a big media event signing "the toughest monument protection law in the nation", in his words. Within ninety days civil war monuments in multiple counties came down, many others vandalized, historic streets renamed, graves desecrated, battlefields had historical markers removed. The number of prosecutions much less investigations, ZERO.
Fulton and Dekalb counties have a long and historic record of corruption including sheriffs murdered, county managers and employees federally indicted. Heck, Clayton just south of Atlanta is run by a Sheriff that has stood trial on, and skated with allegations of jury tampering, 37 felony counts. And that doesn't even count that shooting his girlfriend incident. Yet, not once has the state attempted to step in and clean house.
Georgia State control is a joke, especially when it comes to Atlanta.

Progressives call that type of criminal behavior "promotability."

Do you want to burn it down and start over?

Sounds like it would be....."a good start"!

Hey, Danny--No games!

Our ruling
Social media posts claim that video from Georgia shows suitcases filled with ballots pulled from under a table and illegally counted after election observers were told to leave. That’s wrong.

State officials have said there was no suitcase, no instruction to leave, and no illegal counting of ballots. The video does not prove that the bins shown contained fraudulent ballots, either.

We rate these Facebook posts False.

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...election-workers-didnt-kick-out-observe/

Mark, since you posted the video, you might want to read Politifact too.

Jim

SO,,you gonna take that $50 bet then flappy gums???????????

James, why do you think that Politifact has any standing in the court of Trapperman or any other court for that matter?

Keith

Sorry counselor, I haven't read those bunch of hacks from Tampa since they deemed it normal and necessary to call someone any gender they thought they were. Male, female, male female, female male, 80/20, and such years ago.

Next....

Wasnt there an eyewitness in the room that made the claim that they were told to leave because they were done counting?? Is this eyewitness account false?

well somebody is lying. needs sorted out. needs to be some people put in prison. they all can afford to pay protection to their favorite gang inside. be good for em.

Well yes it wrong becuse those committing the fraud say said so. The left love the all powerful state after all

MSM >>>>>> Interview opposition party spokesperson.... "Tell us what we have here?"
MSM >>>>>> Interview Trump hating RINO spokesperson...."Tell us what we have here?"
MSM >>>>>> Interview someone fired from the WH because they are incompetent.... "Tell us what we have here?"
MSM >>>>>> Ask Clinton, Bush, or Obama.... "Tell us what we have here?"


Complete news at 11:00.
We talked with several credible sources and they "Told us what we have here?"
It's unanimous.

I betcha 5 sworn in deputies from TMan could wrestle this whole election thing to the ground with spit to spare.

Mr Lawyer, what is it when you have everyone present for a conversation ,save one, on record with sworn affidavits and the affidavits all describe and corroborate the same occurrence under penalty of perjury but the one says otherwise?

Where are the affidavits?


Jim

Again, Wasnt there an eyewitness in the room that made the claim that they were told to leave because they were done counting?? Is this eyewitness account false?

Sorry, you're just a kibbitzing lawyer not the presiding judge. You get to see them the same as the rest of us.
If you haven't been paying attention Mr Gulliani has been in several hearings presenting witnesses and huge binders of affidavits. In all of these I'm sure copies were made available.

James what do you think was in the bins? Legal ballots?

James,

I think you're probably in the mold of Alfred Adler, Austrian physician and psychologist in the late 19th century, who viewed humans as producing their own problems in 3 key areas; 1. behavior towards others, 2. problems of occupation, and 3. problems of love.



A great atheist thinker Dr. Adler was.

Even kinda looks like jimmy, arf arf.

You're right, Keith. The facts don't matter here.

Jim

I agree. Where is the eye-witness?

Jim

Mark posted a soundless video with a voice-over by one of Trump's legal team.

The State of Georgia has responded, saying there was nothing untoward going on.

So who do you believe? Trump's lawyers, or the State of Georgia?

Do you presume fraud? A court won't.

Jim

I think I've figured why we are not all making the same connection here...... some are believing what they see and some are believing what they are told

There are 3 US Attorneys in Georgia. What have we heard from them? Why haven't we heard from them?

I live in Georgia, I deal with multiple parts of Georgia government on a regular basis.

I trust Trump, the tooth fairy, ufo sightings and the State of Georgia in decreasing order.

Probably on vacation with the three Michigan US attorneys.

I don’t know the first thing about this guy, but I’d say he’s spot on as far as what you wrote. I’d add a few other areas where humans produce their own problems. Or just expand it to all areas.

Well not to worry, but I heard on the news tonight Trump is going next week to help the two republican senators get in.

I'd believe a Bigfoot sighting before I'd believe anything DT or Rudy or Powell say.

I had to go to Atlanta two years in a row for out-of-state licenses and I'll just say this;
Those state employee (all ladies) were rude, uneducated for their positions, and had no interest in serving me in the slightest.
Year one was rugged.
Year two was incredible incompetence.
If patriots like them were anywhere near ballots, they couldn't spell the word "voter."

Wolf! Wolf! Wolf! and no body came.

You're too close to the comrades in your back yard.
Please be careful letting them spend the evening at your place playing Bolshevik games and drinking "wadka."

I believe she was the one eyewitness I was talking about. She said she her profession is a lawyer but she was one of the volunteers there that night. Not on the Trump legal team.

I've always went by " Believe nothing you're told and half of what you see" and you'll probably be ok.

People like James will have no purpose when orange color is extracted from their existence.
Trump has been everywhere, messed up everything, has been from sea to shining sea screwing things up even as he's accused of being on the golf course 24 hours a day.
He is a thug, a murderer, a thief, a crook, a lier, a moral degenerate, a narcissist, a bag of wind and 1,000 things more for the orange man haters.

I still say, put a suit and tie on, walk into the Oval Office and begin to tell people in that setting that you are there to help this country.
You want to see blank empty glares and stares.

It started week two Trump was in office back in 2016 when staffers quit because they had to be to work by 7:30am.
Under Obama, come in at 9 or 10:00.
Slackers.
On our dime.
They hate Trump.
Slackers hate worker bees.
I've had several in my trapping buggie and they don't care for my "style" after a while. Mainly when I suggest they "do something."
They quit and drive off mad.

Oh well.
Viva la Trumpo! Or whoever would represent us little people.

Those are exactly who does the counting in every county.

One thing I've realized in this debacle is just who we the people hire to do our menial work.
Part of the deal is folks qualified to do good work are making a good living in the private sector.
Maybe we should treat elections like jury duty?

I do not understand why anyone cares what jimmy thinks or says and why anyone engages him at all. He is so obviously here trolling away every day.

21 pages of bonkers.

If he’s trolling, he’s getting bites.

We have heard from Barr, their boss.

Jim

Biden did not when the election, the news media did. Never in my live have I seen such bias reporting against a president Someone prove that statement wrong.

Trumpers loosing in Arizona

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alison...r-blow-to-trump-efforts/?sh=5fa9b8e41ca8

Trump is liable to spend the rest of his days behind bars once Biden and Harris and the squad get done with him.Maybe some of his family also.

That'd be like be proclaiming Alaska is not cold at the present time.
And I have no way of knowing.
Barr is hiding until the clouds roll past.
He's a WDC'er from way back and he has to live in that town with the 95% progressives and If'n I was him, I'd worry about all the threats he surely gets.

Federal Judge deals blow to the Kracken lol

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news...ts-request-wisconsin-bizarre/3826351001/

https://www.northwestgeorgianews.co...4a8df0c-d12c-50b2-8bfa-d6aa742f27f8.html

When I clicked on the link DA, an news flash popped up alerting me to the fact that Iceland's icebergs are melting at a rate never seen before. Climate change is the issue of this day it says.

I didn't need to go any further.

For what crime?

That suggestion alone is why we the people are willing to fight to the death in support of our president.
Are we to become some sort of monarchy where you must kill the deposed king and all of his potential heirs?

Trump will be thrown under the bus by the republicans for the good of the party going forward-a purge-others will be thrown under with him.

You are officially the #1 progressive on TMan. Period. None better.
You post an article from the Milwaukee paper known as a partisan hack pub sir.
I'llbedangedaboutallyoushow.

Question: Are you a trapper?

FIXED IT FOR YOU

Keep on talking, the more you do, the more credibility you loose.

there's a lot of non-election documents on the deep state that Trump could declassify .

I hope he DOES do a scorched earth release; as a final gift to the swamp.

Lol, it's getting to the point where he's one of the few making any sense.

DA,

Are you a trapper?

And I apologize if I, as a business owner, don't want more of my tax $$$ to go to the elites on the Paris Climate Accord shake down scam.
I believe the climate hoax is that = a hoax.

No you didnt-you changed it for yourself.

bias reporting on Bush 1

even THEY admit it, Mark!

https://www.investors.com/politics/...admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

Are you really a biologist? Where did you go to school? Denying science does not add credibility to anything you say.

Just a normal Taco Bell take out for the guys that kept on counting dontja know.

That's it. Close your eyes to evidence you don't want to see.

My son is more of a critical thinker, Mark. Maybe the two of you don't have as much in common as I'd thought.

Jim

Who lays awake at night looking to fleece their neighbor?
A progressive.
They have a grand plan for your cash.

That's why so many gravitate to elected office.
Their plan.
Your cash.
Do not argue or debate.
"you will work!" from the Bridge over the River Kwai!
Love that old movie. Back when Hollywood was a John Wayne town.

Oh no, Mark you've been branded a climate denier. Oh the horror, so shameful.

I guess I have to cancel you now. LOL

I noticed how this got ignored...

^nice

Well I guess this thread has come to an inglorious end someone signaled and another has been canceled. All intellectual discussion must now stop by power of social edict.

Goldnut: How do I know what's in the bins?

Apparently you want me to presume that illegal ballots were in the bins. I'm not willing to do that.

Jim

DA,

The question remains.

Ah yes. U of Michigan undergrad class of 1979.
And MSU grad class of 1982.

Thesis project on the "Direct Transmutability of the Invertebrate Sub-Species Coelenterata."
Would you like me to describe how Darwin can't be explained at the invertebrate level although you need this level to prove his theory?
You go first.
And I'm still in grad school so I can research anything you need assistance with.
I'm 100 yards from the 5th largest library in theology if that helps you at all

you've jumped to PLENTY of conclusions when it suits your own world-view...

No Jimmy, that is your main job around here

Please, please, pretty please take him up on it, DA.

BREAKING NEWS is just in-the bins were full of depends diapers for Joe Biden-they got misplaced due to covid thats why he had to stay in the basement for a couple weeks.

No sir...I would not put words in your mouth. Those workers went to the ballot machines and started putting ballots in them. They were either legal or illegal. Just wondered what you thought? One would think there was no good reason for hiding them under a table.

Heck I just want to know what you like to trap DA? Fitting initials by the way.

I just wonder if he's a trapper? Hard using apologetics with these progressivists.

And I'll even slow down my typing skills and misspell a couple words too. Darn spellcheck anyway
But first, let me tee up some Marty Robbins music.
I work best to Old El Paso!

seems like a reasonable assumption.

one might ALSO ask what the vote tally was during that specific time-frame.

if the vote tally was representative of OTHER time periods, one might presume the ballots were legal/valid. if they were 98 percent for (say) Trump...why, that should raise questions, no?

I like to trap… are you talking about defending faith? That is what apologetics is generally used as. I am telling you, keep talking the more of a fool you look.

It'll end like El Paso if he does. LOL

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. Psalms 14:1

Wait a minute, didn't the DNC remove any mention of God from their platform in 2016?

I guess that explains this abominable election.

Biden couldn't even bring himself to quote the Declaration of Independence correctly, for fear of invoking our Creator.

you, know...the thing!

Another note...you seem to be ok with presuming they were legal ballots. Am I wrong on that?

This is just a friendly TMan chat so you don't need to call me a fool every thread. Or loser of cred. I'm cool with no cred.
I'm debating a wonderful lady nurse on another forum tonight who claims the unborn are of no value. None. Should be killed. World is better off with less babies.
So I'm pulling double duty but I got a major paper submitted today so I'm relaxing online chatting with someone who likes to trap, and I'm not sure what else other than name calling for his cred, and then I have another progressive online at YouTube claiming to be a spokesperson for nurses for more abortions.

I wonder if my gggradpa fought at Normandy for all this? I suppose so. Liberty and freedom is free to be done with liberty.

When I clicked on the link DA, an news flash popped up alerting me to the fact that Iceland's icebergs are melting at a rate never seen before. Climate change is the issue of this day it says.

I didn't need to go any further.
[/quote]

Keep on talking, the more you do, the more credibility you loose. [/quote]


Mark has nothing to prove and unquestionable credibility. The same can not be said for you I'm afraid.

BURNED!

The DNC are traitors to the Republic and should be dealt with accordingly. IMO

So with regard to the sub-species science of evolution DA, I'm cool with folks believing in science. I'm a science baked guy.
With regards to the "Direct Transmutability of the Invertebrate Sub-Species Coelenterata," well have to start with Phylum and work our way north so to speak as phylums are contained in all major soils and sub-soils including the arctic.

Ah, never mind.
That darn nurse just made a major point, "She prefers puppies over humans."
Hold on.
Gotta answer that one....

People that want to trap and then say they have no belief in science is one of the reasons that trappers are loosing ground to anti-trappers. How can a reasonable person trust a moron like that? You and people like you do a disservice to the trapping community. Money is what seems to motivate you, not being a decent human being. I don’t know what is motivating you to study scripture, I hope you learn something, because it seems as if you have not so far.

A nurse that doesn't like humans?

Laugh or cry?

where did he say he had no belief in science?

You're crossing a line and don't realize it. Mark is to fine a Christian and gentleman to take umbrage but many of us on this forum having met and talking with Mark will.
Take this as a warning.

Woman is from MT. You know, the progressives are spreading out. 26 year old progressive in MT believes more puppies and less babies are a credible plan moving forward.
It makes my heart sad to see so many lost souls.
Wow.

She may not know much Scripture is my guess;

At that very time He rejoiced greatly in the Holy Spirit, and said, “I praise You, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight. (Luke 10:21).

Do we have a user ignore button? I can handle James but this Desertambition fellow will likely get me banned before much longer.

"But the supposed “suitcases” were typical ballot containers used to secure ballots, Georgia’s Deputy Secretary of State Jordan Fuchs told us in a phone interview. Likewise, Matthew Mashburn, the state Senate’s appointee to the state election board, told us the video showed “standard secure containers that are ubiquitous in tabulation in Georgia.”

And Gabriel Sterling, the state’s voting system implementation manager, said that the full video showed that the containers were carrying ballots that were opened and processed earlier in the night. They weren’t suspicious ballots brought surreptitiously into the building, or ballots that were opened in secret."

"Between 8:15 p.m. and 12:43 a.m., the change in total ballots went from 89,381 ballots to 99,133 ballots — so a difference of 9,752 votes — he said. And, again, that’s over the course of more than four hours, not just the time after observers and media left."

In my estimation the the desert tambourine is the same guy who went to a System of a Down concert and asked Eddie Van Halen to take his picture because he bought floor seats and had no idea who was taking his picture....... Or who he was calling a fool lolz

DA,

Friend I don't know if we've met but we have sort of a rule here on TMan. We debate. We use apologetics (more than just religion). We sometimes whoop on each other.
But labels like moron have little value here.

My quest is for unborn babies on one forum with someone who's self-righteous and then here I just joust. Ask James. James and I go around the merry-go round but we do not call names to each other.

That's my credibility and my faithful walk (as best I can).
And I personally believe that God is in charge of all things science. He is God and we are His image bearers. Not the flip of that as the world often claims.

Now comes the part where we display our trapping credentials and start chest-bumping over who's more of a trapper.

Jim

If it's deemed legit, then it's deemed legit. That's fine. Not the way we'd prolly run it so all the world could easily tell what was going on. The table skirting is a bit different for sure.

Yes, there is. I have some of my stalkers on ignore. I won't pay them homage by mentioning their names here.

Jim

Not fair counsellor. We attempt to quiet the name caller a tad for his own good.
We're fair like that.

I'll freely admit I'm not much of a trapper, just good enough to catch city folks critters and make a go of it.

Oh and for crazy awesome coyote trappers....
Robert Waddell. King of the hill.

You're confuse you may feel that need but Mark Dosen't.

And the same pro suitcase counters were all giddy with a pee tape oops I mean dossier. That was rock solid evidence and worthy of 40 million on expense ?..... hows that for thumping?....

Marks writings and lures have made me a better trapper, though.

Is that so DA? lol. With respect to citing scripture, I imagine satan can cite scriptures. I not only believe that unborn babies should be protected I think the child once born should be given a chance.

You know, Paul does screen people before letting them on here, to make sure they have a legitimate interest in trapping.

Sometimes someone might slip by the screening, but Paul catches up to them sooner or later.

I don't see much evidence against DA; just unwelcome opinions.

Jim

You don't see much evidence against anything, Jim.

Oh, did he resort to name-calling? I must have missed it.

Chronic name-callers should be shown the forum exit, imho, but it's not my forum.

Jim

And you see conspiracies lurking around every corner.

Jim

Mark: Hope your not burning out with this. Many of us are well aware of both your scientific background and your years of demonstrated exceptionalism as a trapper. Those two have presented themselves as fools in comparison.

So they were processed earlier in the night and later in the night?? Can anyone tell me when that table was dragged into the room? Im pretty sure it was earlier in the day. If they were counted sometime in the evening where is that footage?

these people are not going to admit to vote fraud, they gonna play it off and go on......run off races to fraud next.

I'm good. DA is fine. He's probably a tribal leader outside Sante Fe. They've been crabby since being cleaved from Mexico.

That lady in MT is rugged though. Darn. Now she has called me more names in 10 minutes than Lucifer. I was nice too, asking her about "her" opinions on the selling of PP body parts (Project Veritas). Her opinion is that video taping of sex is fine without acknowledgment but not political themes.

I have no words sometimes.
She's a woman who was video taped during sex as it turns out and she was paid to stop the litigation.
Why would someone sell their very soul for cash? Especially a woman? And then advocate?
I'm too old fashioned these days. Really.

Wanna see the film.

See anything wrong with your statement?

"Her opinion is that video taping of sex is fine without acknowledgment but not political themes."

I don't know what you mean here, Mark.

"She's a woman who was video taped during sex as it turns out and she was paid to stop the litigation."

What litigation? Is she hot? Any chance of getting the video? lol

Jim

"a room at Atlanta’s State Farm Arena, which was used to count absentee and military ballots"


"But state officials told us that the full video shows the supposed “suitcases” were actually standard containers used to secure ballots, and that the ballots in question were opened and prepared for counting earlier in the night in full view of observers. They said the campaign presented limited, selective parts of the footage."


“They were put in there about an hour earlier,” Sterling, a Republican, said by phone. He said of the Trump campaign: “They watched the same video tape.”

A. You're not fine?
B. You're not a chief. You're an Indian like the rest of us?
C. You live in Topeka but just list yourself as a New Mexican?
D. NM is not flying the colors of Mexico downtown? Last time we were in Sante Fe (we enjoy that city) in 2019, there were all sorts of Mexican flags waving.

Am I close?
I like to set on sign.
Blessings,
Mark

Jimmy, Jimmy, James!
Her rebuke to Project Veritas filming the employee of Planned Parenthood admitting to the maintaining of baby body parts was that while it's ok to film against someone's wishes in a sexual act, it's perverse and should be against the law to film someone for political gain.

This is our next generation but I hope it's a minority.

Actually no, life has taught to always hope for the best and expect the worst out of others, especially if they espouse progressive or democrat intent.

History repeats itself. It's cyclical. That is for sure. I guess right now it's the conservatives turn to take a beating. Enjoy it while you can, James. The other 90% of us trappers (about 50% of the voting population) feel like they've been cheated. I hope you sleep well.

ol'dad

I know I have been cheated. My vote didn’t count due to cheating and evil.

What are you talking about, Grandpa? Your state went for Trump!

Jim

The Trump won the election boat keeps taking on water: Kellyanne Conway acknowledges Biden as apparent winner.

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...ay-acknowledges-biden-as-apparent-winner

Looks like Kellyanne Conway to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2mq1PrUxBc&feature=emb_logo

lol, true

I don’t do it for them; I hate to see that the public can come to see what the trappers are about and they may go away with the impression that stereotypes all trappers.

What good is it when the swing states where rigged so Trump would lose. I am firmly convinced in my mind the election was fixed. No amount of rhetoric will convince me otherwise. Too many variables especially in the wee hours of the election occurred that it wasn’t fixed.. Don’t say anything about evidence since the liberal high tech organizations can easily rig it with their ability plus destroy the evidence. The last I heard there are over 300 witnesses across the country willing to testify under the penalty of perjury of the shenanigans that took place but nobody high up is willing to start a major investigation. Apparently, eye witness accounts don’t qualify as evidence. Maybe only in murder cases.

Nothing but belief, huh?

Attorney General Barr said yesterday that the Justice Department has been investigating but has found no fraud sufficient to swing the election.

There was no more fraud in this election than in past elections.

Jim

Is ballot harvesting fraud?

If someone shows up to your door and says "hey, if you vote for Joe Biden you'll get more EBT money. Just check this box right there". Is that fraud? Is that a fair election process?

ol'dad

You should show proof of that immediately. That is criminal.

Or, are you saying, it could happen?

That would be illegal, ol' dad.

Are you saying that happened? Where? How many times?

Jim

I can't show proof. I live in the suburbs of Missouri. No one would even attempt that here.

I'm just asking.

ol'dad

It is not those issues I worry about. It more like these guys make light of a deadly virus that is lots killing people, causing economic suffering and imply/encourage hurting others. That is bad stuff.

As a trapper, you ought to be concerned with your public image.

Not sure what that has to do with the ongoing discussion, though.

Jim

I can personally tell you that I've been approached in the Lowes parking lot by solicitors of various propositions that have provided extremely misleading material and then asked for my signature on a petition in favor of their cause.

ol'dad

My mom would ask me: “If someone asks you to jump off a cliff are you going to be foolish enough to do it?

There are all kinds of flakes and crooks out there gathering petition signatures.

I've been propositioned, but the details aren't fit for a kids' site. Anyway, Anchorage was a much wilder town back then.

Either that, or I was better looking.

Jim

It doesnt matter if there is proof or not.
If enough people believe there was election fraud then they will remove the percieved illegitimate president by force and replace him with their guy.
There has to be enough people willing to do that though-I dont see it.
I think about half the people think the election should stand as it is,another good chunk of the populous is not sure and then there are some who swear the election was rigged.
It will likely depend on who the military backs.Martial law could be declared then the military jackboot thugs will decide.

From what I have heard, Barr didn’t interview any of the 300 plus witnesses to election fraud under the penalty of perjury. Why not ? If you don’t at least listen to the eye witnesses, how can you know their isn’t fraud. As a former lawyer, James, you should know to at least talk to eye witnesses that are willing to testify under the risk of going to jail. 300 plus people can’t be lying. This whole thing with Barr is too fishy.