ammo shortage response

Happened upon this just now and thought I would share it with ya'll.

Wow! Very informative. Thanks for sharing.

Chris

We are going to likely need that ammunition very, very soon and much, much more. Sic semper tyrannis.

Keith

So they're making more ammo than they ever have, yet every time the average person goes to the store the shelves are completely bare. Is it just a matter of being there right after they've stocked the shelves? Does it pay to be there when the doors get unlocked and check if they stocked more overnight?

I've asked numerous workers at local gun stores and local sporting goods departments and all have told me they are not getting much if any ammunition in. Maybe more ammunition is being made, but it's most definitely not being delivered for sale around me.

Keith

I’m on so many lists that I can’t remember them all. Hoping to get a call one of these days!

Probably just me but as the CEO of a company under pressure for production shortages I would have been more apologetic and less combative. Thought he came off as kind of a jerk. Kind of it’s your fault for wanting too much, not my fault for not producing enough.

He’s not wrong though. We all know at least one guy that buys every box he can get his hands on even though he already has 59,000 rounds in his basement. And with all the conspiracies going around more and more are getting to be that way

If you guys came up short after the last shortage not so long ago who’s fault is it really. LOL

thanks , I knew they were making ammo.

7 million new gun owners in 2020 they had been saying 5 illion Aug 24th I was guessing 7 million would be about where it ended up , good confirmation of that.

if each new gun owner bought 2 boxes of pistol ammo or 4 boxes of shot shells or 5 boxes of rifle ammo 100 rounds each 700 million rounds 2 rounds for every single man, woman or child in the nation that is just for the New gun owners the other 72 million gun owners take us to 79 million


really who buys just a hundred rounds

I think the american public could buy 7.9 billion rounds easy enough if every one bought Just 100 rounds

have you bought 100 or more rounds this year ? I bough that in #4 shot for pheasant hunting. most everything else was reloading supplies.

How many Stores do you think sell ammo in the U.S.A.? How many different calibers are there. Each machine can only make one caliber at one time. Example: if they are running 22 LR they have to re-tool to make 22 Shorts or 9mm and so on.

Ain't that the truth, if Obama taught us anything, it was to stack ammo deep when it is plentiful.

multiple machines running 22lr all day every day

multiple running 9mm all day every day

multiple running 223 all day every day

machines running 308 all day every day

some of the hunting ammo is more seasonal runs 22-250 , 7mm-08 , 32 win spl , and others are more likely set up the machine run days or weeks then change machine to run another.

22 shorts may be a single machine or seasonal run.

do you ever really have it deep enough, when you don't know when your getting more , shooting what you have just for fun gets harder.

you might have 1000 rounds set aside , but when none is available with no date you will see it again , it becomes sight in a little practice , shoot game

How many 22LR can be made in two 8 hour shift. Remember the machines have to maintenance and repair do on them.

Bob I don't have But 40000 rds And I don't have a basement. But I did see this coming And I know have plenty of ammo when most people have none ! LoL!

Businesses are mostly in business to make money. I realize it's expensive to buy new machinery and to start up and house new production lines, but it seems a no brainer that there is a vast amount of money to be made doing so.

Keith

The numbers change real fast when we talk about all gun owners. From millions to billions of rounds.

It’s all your fault! Lol I have enough ammo to shoot what I normally use up in around 2 years or so. Right around 10,000 rounds altogether if I had to guess

during the 22 shortage Federal said they could make about 4 million a day and they were increasing capacity.

every load is different on the calibration time and maintenance , it doesn't necessarily have to be every day maintenance or 8 hours every day.


when he says they are making more ammo than they ever have before , the presses were in full swing in Nov 2016 , there were great deals on ammo 6 months later and for 2 1/2 years after that.

With Joe Biden likely taking office soon, would you be willing to invest millions of dollars into creating a product that could become outlawed with the swipe of a pen?

I’m just looking for actual hunting bullets. Didn’t know we’d be ok’ed for a doe removal project. FMJ’s and LAP aren’t exactly legal for hunting. Plenty of 12 and 20ga shot shells, .223, .243, .308, .38 and .45 ammo. Just need hunting bullets, lol.

You Gotta be ready for conflict sales

Guess you just have to be there at the right time and have a store owner like my nephew ran into.

He stopped at some store about a month ago and they were starting to unbox 9 mm ammo.

He asked the guy how much can he buy? He said all you want. My nephew said just put all of it in my truck
I think he got over 50 boxes of 9 mm ammo.

NOW That is why we can't get any ! Hoarders !

If I see this correctly.
One company now owns 4 prior ammo manufacturing companies, and moved all production under one roof?
Effectively you cut possible production capabilities tremendously.
Excellent PR move.
As the owner you obviously ride the premium demands and would be crazy to reduce profits on purpose.
Highlight one of the many non controllable factors , and ride the last few waves.

Consumption will drop quickly after the taxes.
Why invest in new construction.

Just offering one of the many possibilities for the prolonged shortages.

Hornaday today also......

I live just down the road from the Olin factory. I can tell ya their parking lot is full every time I go by there. So I am assuming they are also running full tilt. It may have changed since, but a few years ago I was told they couldn't even keep up with the military demands they had at that time. I forgot how many 5.56 rounds they were making every day but it was nearly unbelievable. He told me they could only run so many because of the lack of machinery. That was during the Iraq war I believe.

Raw materials! Joe doesn't need to use his pen, he just needs to put large scale mining out of business. Part of the green new deal!

I will LOL your LOL. Where have you been in this new America. Take care...OTG

Every day I watch literally hundreds of people walk through the door looking for ammo in the store I work at. The phone literally never stops ringing with ammo inquiries. Pro tip, if you are calling a store asking if they have ammo right now, you are too late. You need to be there when the doors open and/or get lucky that a shipment has come in and has been stocked. We get some, but 100 boxes doesn't go far with a 5 box limit per person. 1000 boxes doesn't go far. This is one store. There will be ammo shortage until people stop panic buying and it takes up a lot less room that toilet paper so I don't expect that to happen anytime soon. I have never, not even in 2008, seen the shelves this bare. Glad I took up reloading around that time. If it came to blows, I'd say most of the people panic buying would be dead before they emptied thier first mag.

He can say there's no conspiracy (at least on his end) and he's basically telling the truth. But...

If you have a contract with the government to produce ammo for them, they get first priority. So if there is a bottleneck in supply chains and you are only getting so much in raw materials then it's a safe bet that Uncle Sam is getting a good chunk of the ammo you produce. If you need 100 tons of brass to fill orders and you're only getting 60 tons and the government orders require 50 tons... Guess which market gets shorted.

Not a conspiracy just math.

Now if you want to say that certain folks in government realized they could use Covid to choke supply chains to the point that commercial manufacturers are left with just enough to fill government orders and choke the civilian market... I'd have to say not much would surprise me at this point.

Mike

There's a pawn shop I've been driving past that has a "9MM ammo here" sign on the sidewalk. I haven't even stopped to ask as I reckon it's way overpriced. Going to a gun show today but I'm not holding my breath for any deals.

Last big shortage was in the retail stores. Gun shows had everything you wanted. At double the price! LOL. They were the guys that knew when deliveries were at stores and waited first in line at every store they knew every week. Then sold it back to you for their own profit. Lot of good old American greed in a capitalistic society.

100% correct! Even during the last shortage I was ok, not comfortable. Now I am comfortable but concerned. I can see this has become a new hobby to many I know, piling up ammo taking pictures, posting, bragging and trolling guys that cannot find ammo. I am guilty of only buying 2 calibers in quantity, for weapons I do not own....yet, .357 and .22 mag along with some .38 I am told I can use in the .357.

Killing does? It don't have to be a special recipe for that. I can think of several common weapon/ammo combinations I already have that would do that. Not including Cross Bow or Muzzle loader. I have seen jacket tips filed off FMJ to expose lead. I hunted squirrels with round point solid .22 with a flattened tip, have a jig for that somewhere. Doe removal project sounds fun!