Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative?

Yep, I am asking you Mark. No games, I am actually interested in your take on that.

He was not for killing babies in the womb. Scripture says you should be shrewd with your finances. I say conservative. LLL

His kingdom was not of this world. He was apolitical because he knew all governments and politics of this world are controlled by the adversary.

He appoints all authority. Read in Romans. LLL

He allows them but the whole world lays in the hand of the wicked one. Also for Satan to have a legit temptation when he took Jesus to a high place and offered him the kingdoms of the world, Satan must've possessed them.

I don't think that's the case. He allows it but doesn't appoint it. As P.R. said these are his adversaries and His Kingdom and His appointed rulers will soon wipe them out. Dan. 2:44

P. R. beat me to it.

Socialist-he scattered the vile moneylenders(capitalists).

Boco, you need to do more studying.

No,You do.
Jesus threw them out of the temple telling them that they were turning the temple into a den of theives(capitalists)
He was clearly a socialist.

Good luck trying to pigeonhole Jesus and his teachings to fit whatever agenda you happen to be trying to advance... It never works out.

The left love to reference Jesus' teachings and parables about the rich... But Jesus never once condoned stealing from anyone to give to someone else either. Help the poor yourself and quit trying to get government to strong arm everyone into doing it for you.

And you can say the same thing about right wing agendas.

Each person will be judged as an individual when the time comes... Take care of yourself. No one will ever be able to make Jesus' teachings correspond 100% with their political agendas.

Mike

Good grief.

Money CHANGERS. He chased them out because they were shorting foreign visitors on currency exchanges.

Mike

He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 23:36

Capitalist Conservative

But seriously, one can pick apart the Gospel to support whatever fallacy one may choose. Without the whole truth of the living Son of God no amount of politics means a thing.

The house of GOD ain't a place to try and make money.
Has nothing with making money elsewhere.

Libertarian...do the right thing without the government resorting to force to make you.

BOOM!

Mike

Romans 13:1 "Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God."

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1 Corinthians 9

1Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are not you my workmanship in the Lord? 2If to others I am not an apostle, at least I am to you, for you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.

3This is my defense to those who would examine me. 4Do we not have the right to eat and drink? 5Do we not have the right to take along a believing wife,a as do the other apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas? 6Or is it only Barnabas and I who have no right to refrain from working for a living? 7Who serves as a soldier at his own expense? Who plants a vineyard without eating any of its fruit? Or who tends a flock without getting some of the milk?

8Do I say these things on human authority? Does not the Law say the same? 9For it is written in the Law of Moses, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain.” Is it for oxen that God is concerned? 10Does he not certainly speak for our sake? It was written for our sake, because the plowman should plow in hope and the thresher thresh in hope of sharing in the crop. 11If we have sown spiritual things among you, is it too much if we reap material things from you? 12If others share this rightful claim on you, do not we even more?

Nevertheless, we have not made use of this right, but we endure anything rather than put an obstacle in the way of the gospel of Christ. 13Do you not know that those who are employed in the temple service get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in the sacrificial offerings? 14In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel.

15But I have made no use of any of these rights, nor am I writing these things to secure any such provision. For I would rather die than have anyone deprive me of my ground for boasting. 16For if I preach the gospel, that gives me no ground for boasting. For necessity is laid upon me. Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel! 17For if I do this of my own will, I have a reward, but if not of my own will, I am still entrusted with a stewardship. 18What then is my reward? That in my preaching I may present the gospel free of charge, so as not to make full use of my right in the gospel.

19For though I am free from all, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win more of them. 20To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law. 21To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law. 22To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save some. 23I do it all for the sake of the gospel, that I may share with them in its blessings.

24Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one receives the prize? So run that you may obtain it. 25Every athlete exercises self-control in all things. They do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. 26So I do not run aimlessly; I do not box as one beating the air. 27But I discipline my body and keep it under control,b lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.

I would say he was more of a radical.

Forgiveness over Revenge was (is) a radical departure.

Like Will Smith put it " Hate in your heart will consume you too!"

I don’t know but if He were here He would slap the crap out of all of us, starting with beaverpeeler.

weren't they money changers , like the stores at the border that are happy to take your US currency even dollar for dollar when it is worth 29 cents a dollar more than Canadian money.

the money changers , tithes had to be paid in the currency of the temple , but people earned money in roman currency. they would take a cut so your tithes costed you more than the 10%

they were extorting money from the people and he was for transparency in banking this is neither a socialist nor a Capitalist thing. sort of a libertarian ideal of transparency.

I always sort of took it that he was both mad at the money changers and mad at the temple leadership for allowing such extortion , money is not Gods it is a tool of man , that tool could have been used to pay temple repairs , bills, salaries ect. just as well in the trade currency as in the temple currency and the exchange was just a side hustle of the temple leadership and the money changers.

using gods name to steal from gods people.

My favorite answer. I think the terms liberal or conservative would mean literally nothing to Jesus. Wouldn’t he embody both?

Jesus would be all about what God wants.

You cannot downgrade Jesus into a political figure. What a silly discussion.

I guess I'll do the christian thing here and turn the cheek.

The standard issue sin of conservatives is usually greed I think. Whereas the standard issue sin of liberals is Envy. Seems like to me.

did Jesus lobby/harangue Rome to care for the poor?

no, He did not.

(at least, it is nowhere in the Bible if He did)

if you willingly pay a certain amount for a good or service and that good or service is as advertised, that is a transaction; not a theft.

capitalists are not thieves. thieves are thieves.

lol .....

Boco, maybe this will help you out.

boco is Canadian. and indian ? they have a bad feeling for God...
Suprising peller can not look around and see the Glory.
Peller Dude......get back on the River

Dead on.

There, fixed it for ya.

The money lenders were clearly socialist.
Onerous taxes and wealth distribution are classic signs of socialism.
Some try to call it "crony capitalism", but we all know that's just a mendacious and disingenuous phrase for dirty rotten socialism.

Jesus did not own property or even a home, he walked almost always so he created a small foot print, he protested against religious leaders and secular leadership, he stated render onto leadership what is theirs, he valued educating others greatly, he had no regular source of income and lived off the alms of others as did his disciples. He shared greatly what was reaped, consistently raised the value of those outside the accepted culture and demonstrated frequently is disappointment in those that talked the talk but did not walk the walk. Does that make him a socialist or a capitalist? Each of us have the God given thinking ability to choose whatever we want to believe. He asked us to love one another and to love all, which we have a very difficult time doing and it seems the further away in time from his ministry here the less loving and caring we become.

Bryce

Jesus himself got into trouble with Rome due to him helping the poor instead of the rich.

Have you got any Scripture to back up any if this? I'll give you the "render unto Ceaser" (even though I believe you are taking that out of context), but how about the rest?

The Roman's were against any perceived threat to their power. A King would fit the bill.

He probably works on your farm beaverpeeler. If I were you I would ask him.

got a reference for this? I don't remember it.

Thanks.

Deuteronomy 28:12-13 12 The Lord will open to you His good treasure, the heavens, to give the rain to your land in its season, and to bless all the work of your hand. You shall lend to many nations, but you shall not borrow.

You are kidding, right? lol

He is God, He owns everything and He left such a small footprint we are talking about Him on a trapping forum 2,020 years later. lol

I think you missed the point. Not sure if that was purposely or not.

He was a carpenter until He began His Ministry. I doubt He gave His stuff away during those years.

I'm not sure why Jesus didn't just jump in His HUMMER like everybody else in Jerusalem. Maybe Bryce is right, and He walked to lower his carbon footprint.

Jesus was a liberal. He made various remarks against rich people, no? A camel passing through the eye of a needle, etc. "Give up all you own and follow me."

He was a liberal, but that doesn't mean he was a socialist. He didn't seem to expect much from government.

Jim

He said "Follow Me"...not worship .gov

and He never really condemned the rich...just pointed out that it is very difficult (near impossible) to give up everything if you are rich.

and besides...Liberals give away OTHER people's money (at the point of a government gun)...not their own money.

Yep. He would have voted 3rd Party. For sure.

where/when did He TAKE money from someone and give it to someone else?

I thought more of you than this Carl.

It's a fair question.

Not really!

untrue.


and I can PROVE it!




Jesus did in fact give up everything He owned, in order to Glorify God.

Liberals don't do that.

Why not?

Yep. If the church did its job taking care of the poor the govt would not have to

Government didn't treat Jesus very well. A politician stuck his finger in the air to see which way the wind was blowing and did the wrong thing...much like they do today.

this sound like capitalism?

The Fellowship of the Believers
42 They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. 43 Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles. 44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. 46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47 praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.

which Church do you belong to?

I'm puzzled to how the question could be offensive to anybody. If your take is Jesus was apolitical and therefore the question is moot that is a fine response. One I will mostly agree with.

I was curious on what people thought, and why. I believe I have always been respectful on matters concerning one's religious beliefs.

Jesus would be disappointed by most everything today: the liberals, the conservatives, the Christian right, the abortionists, the politicians, the people at Trump rallies and the rioters and looters.

And if you think he would have walked into a polling place and voted for either Trump or Biden, you need to reread the Bible AND get your head checked.

There is nothing wrong with the question.

He was frequently disappointed and frustrated with His closest followers when He physically walked the Earth.

Let's face it...after we sinned; we sucked.

It would likely be an exponentially elevated level of disappointment today.

Yep white marlin.The catholic bible written by Jesus's apostles

Not true about being disappointed and frustrated.He already knew what was going to happen before it actually happened.

Your totally wrong about what you call the christian right.Jesus would not be.

If Jesus had been a conservative (law and order) person of his time, he'd have joined in and thrown rocks at the adulteress, instead of letting her go and telling her to sin no more. He did the liberal thing.


Jim

No, he did the compassionate thing.

A liberal would have put her up in a taxpayer paid apartment and pimped her out.

LOL!

Jim

that IS good, Hobbie!

of course He knew/understood it would happen. but if you read His words, he was indeed frustrated with His Disciples from time to time.

If you can’t make the car payment you know they are coming to get it, doesn’t mean you won’t experience disappointment and frustration. The reason He came to us as a man was so that we would know He understands what we experience.

When I first read this question, all of a sudden I realized what a coyote circling a trap set may sense; danger.
I mean the question is a bit wacky, and that's fine and all. Beeverpeeler is whacky. But so am I. Ask my wife.

My answer is from His Word. I have no idea so I consult who He said He is;

Jesus was there in the beginning.
Christ was with God.
He is God.
He was in the beginning with God.
All things came into being through Him.
Apart from Him nothing came into being.
Apart from Him nothing will come into being.
In Jesus is Life.
His life is the Light of men.
Jesus' Light shines in the darkness.
Those in darkness don't comprehend it.
(John 1:1-5)

There, my banner is planted in Scripture.
Jesus is the Christ as prophesied and written about for numerous centuries.
He now sits at the right hand of the Father in Heaven and is seated in the heavenly places with believers.

And I can see him every time my buggy runs down the road in all the majesty and diversity only a miracle could create.
I see Christ's miracles in motion every time I think deeply about the love of my wife and my kids for me.
I witness Jesus' miracles every time I sit bedside, and minister to, a dying individual, who many times is wide eyed about the wonder of finally going "Home."
Jesus' testimony is all around us if we would simply lay "us" down long enough to see it.
Liberal or conservative.

Blessings and Merry Christmas!
Mark

rCall me old fashioned but i really don't care for the newer translations of the bible.



That's a big ten four buddy.

Instead of trying to place the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords into a box and call Him either Liberal or conservative, perhaps we would be better of to figure out who the Pharisees, the Saducees, the tax collectors, the widows, the orphans and even who the Samaritans are today. This is what I know of Christ, He embodied love and grace. He was a Jew and not an American. His political affiliation amounted to "Giving to Caesar what was Caesars" .

I know where I stand, I am a sinner who is thankful everyday for the touch of Christ and am proud to have been crucified with Him.

Wrong.The liberal thing would have been to tell her to keep being the adulteress that she was.

This whole thread reminds me of the Talladega Nights dinner seen.

"I like to picture Jesus in a tuxedo T-shirt. 'Cause it says like, I wanna be formal but I'm here to party too. I like to party, so I like my Jesus to party."

Cal Naughton, Jr.

So you are saying that only capitalists are thieves? The people he threw out of the temple were money changers that were cheating the people. He threw them out because they were cheating the people and doing it in the temple which was a place of God. That's not necessarily the work of a socialist.

On the other hand, He did tell his followers to "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's and give to God what is God's. Jesus can't be categorized one way or another.

The Bible has a lot to say about liberal vs. conservative ideas. Industriousness, sloth, investing, private property, envy, greed, wealth, etc.. Even environmental issues are addressed. God is going to blow it up.

Let’s see here,... I’m certain he would not be for chopping up babies in the womb or humping another man’s butt,.... so these two things alone make him conservative in my eyes.

If he was a socialist he would of kicked the Preists and taxed the capitalists.

Would the biblical instructions for female slaves make him Conservative too then?

Nowhere in the bible is Jesus for slaves.

I'm glad Mark chimed in. I was in particular interested in what his response might be. No trap set for you Mark...mebbe just a trail cam!
Merry Christmas!

I believe He paid for our sins, that would make him a conservative, or at least a taxpayer.

Perhaps, instead of trying to fit Jesus Christ, Lord and Savior to all who will permit him to be, into our personal form, ideology, or role (political or otherwise), we would be better served by trying to fit ourselves into the role he wishes for us to occupy?

Did he get the Rona shot? Easy to figure out.

He is the alpha and omega the beginning and the end i am a sinner and he is the Saveur man is right or left.

I think the bigger question was Jesus a prophet or the Son of God?

Son of God.God here on earth.The savior

Son of God but also God himself on earth? I believe in the Bible and try too follow to the best I can but could never wrap my head around the trinity.

I think that if Jesus were a socialist, the parable of the talents would have been quite different.

Called having faith

I suppose that it is a whole different argument, but can you claim to be a fundamentalist when the fundamentals are forgiveness and redemption unless you are on board with both.

Dude, it's Christmas Eve. Go wrap some presents or watch a movie. Or maybe find a Christmas thread or some other light hearted topic.

Positive energy tonight......

Merry Christmas Beeverpeeler,
May your hands be calloused from peeling this day!

Blessings,
Mark and Donna

Seeing as how the money grubbing Catholics pass a plate around begging for handouts and most heavily religious people are the most judgemental I've ever met, I'm going to say Liberal

If we measure compassion by contributions to the needy, Jesus was a conservative when he roamed this earth.
Now when he comes back the second time, he will definitely be liberal. He's going to bring a liberal amount of whoop$%@ to Satan and those in league with Beelzebub.

And we will rejoice!

Rev 18:20

“Rejoice over her, you heavens!
Rejoice, you people of God!
Rejoice, apostles and prophets!
For God has judged her
with the judgment she imposed on you.”

Jesus was to Judaism what Martin Luther was to the Catholic church.

I don't think either one would have been considered a conservative in their day.

Of course, times change. I'm pretty sure the average Catholic of today would consider nailing his manifesto on Luther's door.

You really don't have a clue.

Merry Christmas would have been very appropriate. Now you can wish people a Happy New Year (for the next several weeks, in fact).