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Is $15/hr minimum wage reality?

Posted By: Gary Benson

Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 01:23 PM

Been hearing about it for a couple years now, but is it going to become reality? It's insane, which makes me believe this new bunch will do it. Tick will be very proud of his party if they make it happen.
Posted By: SNIPERBBB

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 01:27 PM

They can't do it the way they wanted to do it through reconciliation. Maybe they leave it dead. They'll try again I'm sure.
Posted By: headache73

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 01:27 PM

They put it in this stimulus bill. I have no doubt they will do whatever it takes to pass it. It was a big campaign promise
Posted By: GROUSEWIT

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 01:31 PM

It will increase unemployment and shutter small businesses. Just sayin my 2 cents.
Posted By: 8117 Steve R

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 01:32 PM

If it goes, the price of everything will have to go up, hurting people on fixed incomes.
Posted By: Getting There

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 01:33 PM

I guess our Government has become our National Union now. JMO
Posted By: trapperkeck

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by headache73
They put it in this stimulus bill. I have no doubt they will do whatever it takes to pass it. It was a big campaign promise

I don't think they have the votes in the Senate to have it pass in the stimulus bill. There are a couple Dems that said they will not vote for it. Likely, it will get cut from the bill before it passes.
Posted By: SNIPERBBB

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 01:36 PM

Parliamentarian ruled that it could not be included.
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 01:36 PM

Raising minimum wage to make everyone rich is akin to outlawing guns to make everyone safe. There just isn't any room for common sense anymore.
Happy Meals will jump from 7.50 to 15.00. Problem solved.
Posted By: k snow

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 01:37 PM

Low wage workers will be replaced by machines or kiosks. It will only make more people dependent on the government (Read working people).
Posted By: keystone

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 01:38 PM

It can be reality but so can the price of everything doubling!!
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 01:39 PM

Surely Joe could sign his name with a crayon and make it an EO?
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 01:42 PM

The bill was introduced Feb. 24 which would raise min. wage incremently to hit $15 by 2025. Wonder what an 8' 2x4 will be by 2025?
Posted By: SNIPERBBB

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Gary Benson
Surely Joe could sign his name with a crayon and make it an EO?

Might be able to do something that requires contractors working with the feds to pay it but he cant make Joe's landscaping in Idaho do it.
Posted By: JComer

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 01:48 PM

It's called buying votes
Posted By: MJM

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 01:51 PM

People think they get hired so they have money to live on. Companies hire people to make them money. If you do not produce more than you are paid, it is not going to last long. There are a lot of people who do not produce $15 an hour and never will.
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by MJM
People think they get hired so they have money to live on. Companies hire people to make them money. If you do not produce more than you are paid, it is not going to last long. There are a lot of people who do not produce $15 an hour and never will.

I remember years ago working road construction and a young guy came to work and was getting paid $5/hr. He said "personally, I don't think I'm worth $5/hr." He went on to be a lawyer! Fitting outcome, don't you think?
Posted By: white17

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 01:56 PM

Senate dropped it from the Covid relief bill 11 minutes ago
Posted By: Jonnytrapper

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 01:57 PM

Maine's is already $12.15 per hour. They will be increasing it each year from now on. Essentially giving all the min wage workers a raise each year by law. Unfortunately the rest of us aren't so lucky so as prices go up from labor we are all left with less. I'm wondering at what point the guy bagging my groceries is making the same as I am.
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 01:58 PM

Thank God. There is a brain in there somewhere!
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by Jonnytrapper
Maine's is already $12.15 per hour. They will be increasing it each year from now on. Essentially giving all the min wage workers a raise each year by law. Unfortunately the rest of us aren't so lucky so as prices go up from labor we are all left with less. I'm wondering at what point the guy bagging my groceries is making the same as I am.

This is like a bad dream...but I've been awake for 4 hours. So the state can force private businesses to pay it? But the Feds cannot?
Posted By: Pike River

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 02:02 PM

All this will do is increase cost for everything else and leave us at the starting point again. The purchasing power per labor will remain the same in a few years time.


I would have no problem with the minimum wage being tied to an inflation index. My one gripe though is the thought that minimum wage should be a livable wage. To me minimum wage is for the completely unskilled and youth and should've be livable at 40 hours.
Posted By: 330-Trapper

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by k snow
Low wage workers will be replaced by machines or kiosks. It will only make more people dependent on the government (Read working people).

Hades - mart already started that with the checkout machines
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by white17
Senate dropped it from the Covid relief bill 11 minutes ago

Yet the covid relief bill is still moving forward? The 3rd one..
Posted By: LLtrapper

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by SNIPERB🦝
Parliamentarian ruled that it could not be included.


This^^ Nancy knew this before they sent the bill up to the senate. The senate will strip it from the bill and pass it back to the house where they will not vote for it because there is no 15.00 wage. They will blame republicans in the senate for not getting what they promised to all the burger king employees that voted for the dems and then they will move on to infrastructure where they will try and hide it in that bill. Trust me when I say they have a plan and it is not a good one for most business owners. LLL
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
Originally Posted by k snow
Low wage workers will be replaced by machines or kiosks. It will only make more people dependent on the government (Read working people).

Hades - mart already started that with the checkout machines

I noticed yesterday that more folks use the self-checkout than what use the live checkers. Personally I prefer the self-checkout as well.
Posted By: LLtrapper

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 02:07 PM

There will be no stimulus checks either is my prediction. (thank God) LLL
Posted By: k snow

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 02:09 PM

Yep, self checkouts are the start. Ordering kiosks at restaurants are the next step. Robotic burger flippers. The list goes on and on.
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 02:11 PM

Just so the fries still come out hot and crispy....
Posted By: trapperkeck

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 02:14 PM

Guess what, if the minimum wage goes to $15/hr, those people will still be the lowest paid folks in the U.S.A.. On a bright note, they will all be paying taxes. Might be an eye opener for some folks when they find out they are worse off with the higher minimum wage. Taxes + Inflation = Lower Standard of Living.
Posted By: SNIPERBBB

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Gary Benson
Originally Posted by Jonnytrapper
Maine's is already $12.15 per hour. They will be increasing it each year from now on. Essentially giving all the min wage workers a raise each year by law. Unfortunately the rest of us aren't so lucky so as prices go up from labor we are all left with less. I'm wondering at what point the guy bagging my groceries is making the same as I am.

This is like a bad dream...but I've been awake for 4 hours. So the state can force private businesses to pay it? But the Feds cannot?



The feds can, just not the way they are trying to do it now.

Of course this is all for less than a percentage of all above board wage earners.
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 02:16 PM

I went to a McD a couple weeks ago. The kiosks were shut down and still no inside eating. I left as I couldn't get waited on. The line of people who hadn't got what they ordered was longer than the line of people ordering.
I went to a second McD where I got gift cards to send the Grandkids for Valentines Day. The checkout gal didn't know how to do it so she had to call another employee to show her how. We're not moving forward.
Posted By: adam m

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 02:18 PM

IF it passes does this mean those on social security get their income measly doubled too? I highly doubt it. I doubt it will be kept in the Senate's version. Less than 10% of things in this bill has anything to do covid relief.
Posted By: SNIPERBBB

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 02:20 PM

Least you could go onto a McD...all the ones around here are drive through only.
Posted By: Steven 49er

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by LLtrapper
There will be no stimulus checks either is my prediction. (thank God) LLL


Larry, I don't see how the house will allow that to happen.

My wager would be that if there isn't direct payments the whole bill dies. Won't be the last time I'm wrong.
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by SNIPERB🦝
Least you could go onto a McD...all the ones around here are drive through only.

See, they're already preparing for $15 minimum wage as there's already a shortage of workers!
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 02:30 PM

Went thru a BK drive thru last week. The girl working the window had her left arm amputated at the elbow. She would take the money in a metal tray and give the change back in the tray. The girl was doing a fine job. And there's healthy folks at 100% refusing to work as unemployment pays better.
Posted By: Michigander

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 02:50 PM

Most jobs here are already 12-15 an hour starting pay. Tons of signs out at businesses looking for workers.

The federal minimum wage needs a bump in my opinion. Accounting for inflation it 10 was dollars an hour in 1970 and 1980. 15 is high but 10 would be acceptable.
Posted By: corky

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by trapperkeck
Guess what, if the minimum wage goes to $15/hr, those people will still be the lowest paid folks in the U.S.A.. On a bright note, they will all be paying taxes. Might be an eye opener for some folks when they find out they are worse off with the higher minimum wage. Taxes + Inflation = Lower Standard of Living.

This ^^^
Careful what you wish for.
Posted By: Rat Masterson

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 03:06 PM

Government has no right telling a business what to pay employees.
Posted By: H2ORat

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 03:09 PM

On the bright side the demand will be up for those willing to work under the table ---- win-win. Now you understand the open southern border. grin
Posted By: CTRAPS

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 03:19 PM

"I noticed yesterday that more folks use the self-checkout than what use the live checkers. Personally I prefer the self-checkout as well."




I've never have a self-checkout be rude or have a bad attitude and look like it needed to wash it's hair. That's the part that I enjoy.
Posted By: rendezvous

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 03:22 PM

This is a "make you feel good, vote for me" strategy of the left, but this arbitrary raise in the minimum wage will be a disaster. Jobs will be lost and costs will be passed on to the consumer, thus nullifying this increase. And many retirees, while already on a fixed income, will have to absorb these increases with no increases to their retirement income.
biden/left are also doing away with jobs and fuel costs are increasing. Everything being moved by some kind of fuel, these costs will be passed on to the consumer putting us further and further behind the eight ball.

God please... bless America!
Posted By: CTRAPS

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 03:26 PM

I agree, I too feel like increases will be passed on and they will most definitely affect retirees.

I find it odd that there is so much talk about the $15 minimum wage, but where is the talk about Social Security benefits being increased?
Posted By: Rat Masterson

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 03:33 PM

The Government will benefit from increased SS and tax revenue paid for by the businesses.
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 03:34 PM

The left has been very vocal about their position that there are too many old people.
Posted By: waggler

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 03:38 PM

The issue needs to be left up to the States.
The cost of living is so different in one place versus another, it just doesn't make sense having a National minimum wage.
Posted By: WadeRyan

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 03:39 PM

I’ve seen the argument that increased wages will give people more “fun money” to spend. It’s not fun money when basic items to survive raise right along with the wage.

Our local Walmart just released a statement they plan to be self checkout only in the very near future. I forget the exact date. The big corporations are already planning for the fall out.

I don’t shop at Walmart unless I have no other option in a pinch. I think that’s been three times in the last year. I don’t eat McDonald’s mainly because it’ll kill you. Lol.
Posted By: charles

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 03:45 PM

Heard these stats on radio:

The lowest wages are in the SE
In three states, 50% of wage earners are paid less than $16.50/hr.
In 16:states, 50% of earners make less than $18/hr.

I don’t know what the poverty line is or the national average. Other than farm work at .50 per hour, my first job was at $1.65/hr. I am 74.
Posted By: Posco

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Michigander
Most jobs here are already 12-15 an hour starting pay. Tons of signs out at businesses looking for workers.


There's the stimulus employers need to increase wages. That's all that's needed.
Posted By: SNIPERBBB

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by charles
Heard these stats on radio:

The lowest wages are in the SE
In three states, 50% of wage earners are paid less than $16.50/hr.
In 16:states, 50% of earners make less than $18/hr.

I don’t know what the poverty line is or the national average. Other than farm work at .50 per hour, my first job was at $1.65/hr. I am 74.

Us poverty line is just under 13k a year for a single person household. 1.90 a day is the world poverty line
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by WadeRyan
I’ve seen the argument that increased wages will give people more “fun money” to spend. It’s not fun money when basic items to survive raise right along with the wage.

Our local Walmart just released a statement they plan to be self checkout only in the very near future. I forget the exact date. The big corporations are already planning for the fall out.

I don’t shop at Walmart unless I have no other option in a pinch. I think that’s been three times in the last year. I don’t eat McDonald’s mainly because it’ll kill you. Lol.

Walmart has set the standard for marketing. Nobody has been more successful except maybe Amazon. They have their haters but it's still hard to find a parking spot at Walmart.
I like McDs but it is also a great laxative.
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by charles
Heard these stats on radio:

The lowest wages are in the SE
In three states, 50% of wage earners are paid less than $16.50/hr.
In 16:states, 50% of earners make less than $18/hr.

I don’t know what the poverty line is or the national average. Other than farm work at .50 per hour, my first job was at $1.65/hr. I am 74.

Ya, no kiddin'. I guess I've been in poverty all my life. Never made more than $15/hr ever.
Money can't buy happiness, but it makes misery more enjoyable.
Posted By: charles

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 06:08 PM

It got dropped from the bill today.
Posted By: Marty

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by GROUSEWIT
It will increase unemployment and shutter small businesses. Just sayin my 2 cents.


They have been working at that for a while......covid restrictions imposed by states have done plenty of that.

We may see ubi fairly soon.
Posted By: beeman

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by Gary Benson
The bill was introduced Feb. 24 which would raise min. wage incremently to hit $15 by 2025. Wonder what an 8' 2x4 will be by 2025?


And who in the chain of bringing a 2x4 to Home Depot is making less than $15 per hour.
Posted By: coonman220

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 06:39 PM

I hope so, I need the money, groceries up for weeks an now gas, the ones against it are definately ones make big money or got big bucks sav
Posted By: k snow

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by coonman220
I hope so, I need the money, groceries up for weeks an now gas, the ones against it are definately ones make big money or got big bucks sav


Coonman, if the grocery store has to pay their workers $15 an hour instead of the $12 they used to, they will have to raise their prices to cover that. You will see all prices rise more. It's a circle, a vicious circle.

I do not make big money or have a huge savings account. I've developed a skill set that pays decent.
Posted By: Marty

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 06:57 PM

they need to keep buying votes somehow....it is a disgrace. Free market should determine prices/wages.
Posted By: Boco

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by k snow
Originally Posted by coonman220
I hope so, I need the money, groceries up for weeks an now gas, the ones against it are definately ones make big money or got big bucks sav


Coonman, if the grocery store has to pay their workers $15 an hour instead of the $12 they used to, they will have to raise their prices to cover that. You will see all prices rise more. It's a circle, a vicious circle.

I do not make big money or have a huge savings account. I've developed a skill set that pays decent.


That didnt happen when Henry Ford raised the wages of all his assembly line workers so they could afford to buy one of his cars.
In fact quite the opposite.
In fact it created so much demand that he sold more at cheaper prices and increased his own profits in the long term.
Posted By: white17

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by Boco


That didnt happen when Henry Ford raised the wages of all his assembly line workers so they could afford to buy one of his cars.
In fact quite the opposite.
In fact it created so much demand that he sold more at cheaper prices and increased his own profits in the long term.


That's not quite accurate. I know that is the story everyone has been taught, like the Thanksgiving fantasy, but the truth is a bit more ruthless.
Ford raised wages because labor was hard to retain. Overall, wages were rising and his people kept leaving to chase higher wages. So he raised what he was paying in order to take workers from other industries and keep them.
The fact that some may have been able to buy a car was an afterthought. Also remember that Ford had just created the assembly line thus increasing productivity of each worker.
That's not likely to happen when/if Congress mandates 15$ and hour for someone with no skills.
Posted By: k snow

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 07:18 PM

The business world isn't what it was in Henry Ford's days.
Posted By: SNIPERBBB

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 07:21 PM

There's a difference between when one company raises wages and when you arbitrarily raise the wages of a 1% of the workforce by double. Competition will bring wages up, which of already happening now. Eventually costs will catch up. You can live paycheck to paycheck at 100k a you can at 20k depending on where you live and lifestyle.
Posted By: white17

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 07:22 PM

Ford $5 wages:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timwor...-its-not-what-you-think/?sh=6b878e61766d
Posted By: Mike in A-town

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 07:28 PM

I haven't quite figured out if government is full of morons or evil geniuses...

Their track record is to legislate a solution to a problem... And the unintended consequences of the solution create 3 more problems... So they legislate more solutions to the 3 problems they created... And now they have 9 problems to fix. And the cycle continues.

We're at the point that the little Dutch boy is running out of fingers to plug all the leaks.

Mike
Posted By: Rat Masterson

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 07:28 PM

Auto workers need to take a pay cut, 40 to 50 Gs for a new truck. See what Ford started.
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by k snow
The business world isn't what it was in Henry Ford's days.

It is in Canada.
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 07:36 PM

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40-50k for a plain Jane model.
Posted By: jeff karsten

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 07:37 PM

Obama raised the minimum wage to 15 when he was in office it quietly disappeared cause businesses cut their employee's hours to less then 40 making them part-time and not eligible
You're right White17 people left ford cause he was working them to death and the higher wage meant he'd have a steady supply of fresh meat coming thru the door
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 07:43 PM

That aint what Boco sez and he knows Merica!
Minimum wage doesn't include part time??
Posted By: SNIPERBBB

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by jeff karsten
Obama raised the minimum wage to 15 when he was in office it quietly disappeared cause businesses cut their employee's hours to less then 40 making them part-time and not eligible
You're right White17 people left ford cause he was working them to death and the higher wage meant he'd have a steady supply of fresh meat coming thru the door

That was obamacare reclassifying 30 hrs as full time.
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 07:50 PM

Ah.....that he did.
Posted By: LLtrapper

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Originally Posted by LLtrapper
There will be no stimulus checks either is my prediction. (thank God) LLL


Larry, I don't see how the house will allow that to happen.

My wager would be that if there isn't direct payments the whole bill dies. Won't be the last time I'm wrong.


They will not vote for a bill that does not have it in there and the Senate cannot pass one with it. Very simply all or nothing. LLL
Posted By: billy

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 07:57 PM

the cost of living has outpaced the working mans ability to stay ahead in these times,the wealthy keep getting richer (billionaires now) the guy or gal that wont to work is still the driveing force for the countrys success, thier is to much social give aways now that influences people not to work for a liveing.let the workers earn a wage they can live on. extream inflation not good. we can all say remember when.
take care
Posted By: beeman

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 08:06 PM

I have been listening to the argument against raising the minimum wage since 1967 when it went to $1.40 per hour. I am sure some businesses were hurt by having to pay their help more than what they were paying them but many survived and prospered. FYI the federal minimum wage has been around since 1938.

I just read an article about workers in Denmark that work at McDonalds that make $20.00 per hour plus benefits and the price of a Big Mac is 80 cents higher than it is here in US.

The last time the minimum wage was raised was in 2009 when it was raised to $7.25. Maybe if we had raised it a little each year we wouldn’t be having this discussion now.

It is time to raise the minimum wage. It might have more support if they were not trying to double it.
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by billy
the cost of living has outpaced the working mans ability to stay ahead in these times,the wealthy keep getting richer (billionaires now) the guy or gal that wont to work is still the driveing force for the countrys success, thier is to much social give aways now that influences people not to work for a liveing.let the workers earn a wage they can live on. extream inflation not good. we can all say remember when.
take care


Let the workers earn a wage they can live on. That's $2400/month gross based on a 40 hr work week. And we give money to those who won't work. What are we going to do for the elderly getting $1000 per month for SS?
Posted By: CTRAPS

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
Auto workers need to take a pay cut, 40 to 50 Gs for a new truck. See what Ford started.


I heard some famer friends complaining about the cost of farm equipment too. According to them, it sounds as though they think the workers wages are causing tractors & combines to be so expensive.
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by beeman
I have been listening to the argument against raising the minimum wage since 1967 when it went to $1.40 per hour. I am sure some businesses were hurt by having to pay their help more than what they were paying them but many survived and prospered. FYI the federal minimum wage has been around since 1938.

I just read an article about workers in Denmark that work at McDonalds that make $20.00 per hour plus benefits and the price of a Big Mac is 80 cents higher than it is here in US.

The last time the minimum wage was raised was in 2009 when it was raised to $7.25. Maybe if we had raised it a little each year we wouldn’t be having this discussion now.

It is time to raise the minimum wage. It might have more support if they were not trying to double it.

Denmark doesn't use the dollar, they use the krone. Someone is pimping the numbers.
Posted By: SNIPERBBB

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by Gary Benson
Originally Posted by billy
the cost of living has outpaced the working mans ability to stay ahead in these times,the wealthy keep getting richer (billionaires now) the guy or gal that wont to work is still the driveing force for the countrys success, thier is to much social give aways now that influences people not to work for a liveing.let the workers earn a wage they can live on. extream inflation not good. we can all say remember when.
take care


Let the workers earn a wage they can live on. That's $2400/month gross based on a 40 hr work week. And we give money to those who won't work. What are we going to do for the elderly getting $1000 per month for SS?

Ummm...that's 15/hr #maths
Posted By: SNIPERBBB

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by Gary Benson
Originally Posted by beeman
I have been listening to the argument against raising the minimum wage since 1967 when it went to $1.40 per hour. I am sure some businesses were hurt by having to pay their help more than what they were paying them but many survived and prospered. FYI the federal minimum wage has been around since 1938.

I just read an article about workers in Denmark that work at McDonalds that make $20.00 per hour plus benefits and the price of a Big Mac is 80 cents higher than it is here in US.

The last time the minimum wage was raised was in 2009 when it was raised to $7.25. Maybe if we had raised it a little each year we wouldn’t be having this discussion now.

It is time to raise the minimum wage. It might have more support if they were not trying to double it.

Denmark doesn't use the dollar, they use the krone. Someone is pimping the numbers.

They're also paying 40-55% in taxes..
Posted By: k snow

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 08:23 PM

And they ride bikes everywhere.
Posted By: Rat Masterson

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 08:23 PM

You can tell the people that never had a business or 30 employees that think it's ok for the Government to tell them what to pay there employees. More than half the people in the US gain from Government largess, no wonder it's popular. You don't like your wage get a different job.
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 08:24 PM

SniperB......exactly. That's the number I used to figure.
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
You can tell the people that never had a business or 30 employees that think it's ok for the Government to tell them what to pay there employees. More than half the people in the US gain from Government largess, no wonder it's popular. You don't like your wage get a different job.

It's much easier to kick and scream and demand that their employer give them what they don't deserve.
Posted By: coonman220

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 08:45 PM

I go thru self checkout Walmart , to many mistakes the checkers make an to many times , when get grocery's
Posted By: CoonsBane

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 08:51 PM

Minimum wage should be the least amount someone is willing to do a given job for.

The government has no business setting a minimum wage.

If you can't find anyone willing to work for the pay you are offering, you either raise the pay or do it yourself.
Posted By: SNIPERBBB

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 08:58 PM

The problem really is, much like health care and college tuition, is that they never look at what the root causes of why X is too expensive...they go straight to more regulation and throw money, that's not even theirs, at it which makes things worse.
Posted By: trapdog1

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 09:52 PM

Why set the minimum so low? You can't live on $15 bucks an hour! If $15 is good $30 is better right? Lets just do that. whistle
Posted By: Bruce T

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by trapdog1
Why set the minimum so low? You can't live on $15 bucks an hour! If $15 is good $30 is better right? Lets just do that. whistle

Dang I can live on $15 a hour easily.
Posted By: Boco

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 10:21 PM

I started on the RR at $1.10/hr.(Thats about $6/hr today).A case of 34 molson export ale was $5,a loaf of bread was a quarter and a new elan skidoo was $500.
My first summer job was $5 dollars a day.
Posted By: trapdog1

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by Bruce T
Originally Posted by trapdog1
Why set the minimum so low? You can't live on $15 bucks an hour! If $15 is good $30 is better right? Lets just do that. whistle

Dang I can live on $15 a hour easily.


Be quite Bruce! I'm trying to get you some more government cheese here! grin
Posted By: GROUSEWIT

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 10:30 PM

If $15/hr is gonna b min wage then $2600/month should b min Social Security!!----
Posted By: coonman220

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 10:30 PM

I used get close $17 hr plus bonus plus overtime for many years or at times , just 40 hrs for months or occasional layoff a week or 2, then for many months overtime, now one job $13- other 14 hr, 15 bucks hr welcome
Posted By: Wanna Be

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 10:30 PM

I don’t know that I’d want to try and live on $15hr. At least not quite yet anyways, lol. Maybe when I’m collecting my retirement and SS I might work for minimum wage.
Posted By: Swamp Wolf

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 11:12 PM

$15/hour is about 30 grand annually. That would be tough to live off of nowadays for many families.

Posted By: Scott__aR

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/01/21 11:15 PM

Is $15/hr min. wage reality? Pretty much around here it is. If an employer isn't offering close to that they have a sign outside looking for employees. Not saying there aren't employers looking to increase profit for low wages; but the workforce has changed since Covid shutdowns. If you want to work there are plenty of jobs offering pay of $15+ / hr. Now if you can live on $15/hr is a separate question!
Posted By: LLtrapper

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/02/21 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
$15/hour is about 30 grand annually. That would be tough to live off of nowadays for many families.



It takes two incomes to live now a days. Sixty grand is enough to raise a family on. Minimum wage is usually for non experienced young kids in their first jobs and is not for a family usually. LLL
Posted By: Quartermastersir

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/02/21 12:39 AM

aren't the union scales somehow related to the minimum wage?
So if minimum wage is 10 then union scale starts at 25
if minimum wage is 15 then union scale starts at 32.5
Just like obamamama's save the "auto industry" was just saving "union voters" so is the min wage increase.
Posted By: Swamp Wolf

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/02/21 02:33 AM

Originally Posted by LLtrapper
Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
$15/hour is about 30 grand annually. That would be tough to live off of nowadays for many families.



It takes two incomes to live now a days. Sixty grand is enough to raise a family on. Minimum wage is usually for non experienced young kids in their first jobs and is not for a family usually. LLL

Depends on the part of the country your in.
Posted By: SNIPERBBB

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/02/21 02:50 AM

And what bills other than utilities you have coming In.
Posted By: rendezvous

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/08/21 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by CoonsBane
Minimum wage should be the least amount someone is willing to do a given job for.

The government has no business setting a minimum wage.

If you can't find anyone willing to work for the pay you are offering, you either raise the pay or do it yourself.




X2! Supply and demand... the more jobs, more workers are needed, wages will go up. We seen this with Trump.
With biden, he is cutting jobs and fuel production, prices are going up. The biden administration and the lefties will be coming up with "programs" to compensate for their counterproductive policies... bigger government, higher taxes, and more dependency on them is their goal...
Posted By: newtoga

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? - 03/08/21 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by k snow
Yep, self checkouts are the start. Ordering kiosks at restaurants are the next step. Robotic burger flippers. The list goes on and on.

Some food joints have little kiosks on the table you can pay and order on.
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