The Great Northern New York Spring Muskrat Thread

Finally got on the water this morning and set the Salmon River Estuary
for spring muskrat from my buddy new wave dave's motor boat.

We deployed 18 two trap floats, and around 40 + OR - # 160's in bank den holes.

The Lake Ontario water level is as low as I have ever seen it in my lifetime.

Most Cattail habitat is high, dry, and stranded away from the main river channel
so no feed bed sets, or anything in typical cattail habitat.

Most feasible sets are in den holes near sharp drop offs in the river channel.

Very A-typical set locations for spring time rat trapping.

Hopefully we shall have a decent catch in the morning.

Stay tuned.

walleyed

Awesome!!! Glad you finally made it out, and we get to ride along!

Good luck, we definitely need some water.

I have been waiting for your story sense the last time.

Your in my older sons neighborhood.He lives just a bit north closer to the Pond.

Funny Ontario is that low. Michigan has been at near record high levels this last year. Has been dropping lately as we have had a low moisture fall and winter.

Bryce

Anxiously awaiting the first check report.

Same...lol

"Slap some bacon on a biscuit and let's go , your burning daylight". LOL

He probably stopped at his favorite diner and has a food coma!

At our duck camp morning quote
fixed it for you

Pulled into the Pine Grove Boat Launch at 9:00AM and
launched on to the Salmon River Estuary to check traps.

First float was empty, but the next set was a Bank den run
in which we had placed three #160's.

There was a triple lying at the bottom of the run.

We had a total of 18 floats deployed and when we were done
checking only one float had only one rat.

The #160 conibears and a few #110's set in the bank den holes
held 21 rats for a grand total of 22.

21 rats out of 35 Conibears.

A very A-Typical catch scenario for spring rat trapping.

Usually floats are red hot and we find very few bank den locations
which provide any spring time success.

No doubt the extremely low water Lake Ontario lake level has
every thing to do with how the spring trapping is turning out.

We set an additional 10 conibears in some additional bank den holes
which we missed yesterday, so now we have every feasible set location covered.

The other trapper who sets we spotted yesterday had pulled out
as his sets were missing when we passed by.

All in all, it was a pretty good catch considering the strange conditions
we had to work with.

The rats are drying before the fans and will soon go under the knife.

(Only 2 of 22 rats had any bite damage, the rest were clean.)

(The muskrat scent glands were swollen very large and full.)

Hopefully, we'll have another good catch tomorrow, or Tuesday.

When ever we decide to check again.

If anyone know how to post photos, PM your e-mail
and I'll send you some catch photos to post for me.

Stay Tuned.

walleyed

walleyed was tied up with Doctor's appointment this morning
and did not get on the water to check traps until 4:00PM.

Just two rats today from floats as the lack of float success continues.

We had half a dozen fired but empty #160's today and I'm pretty sure
a Bald Eagle picked our pocket & flew off with a #110 with a rat in it.

There were a couple three Eagles roosted nearby in the willow trees.

All tolled we had 15 rats out of 45 traps and 18 floats.

Probably let them soak a day and pull on Wednesday.

Plan is to set somewhere else tomorrow by canoe and concentrate on just
conibear bank den sets and leave the floats in the barn.

Not a great catch but not bad either.

Waiting for the rats to dry and then start skinning.

Stay tuned

walleyed

Planned on pulling the Salmon River Estuary sets this morning after
a 48 hour soak.

While waiting on New Wave Dave & his motor boat
so we can pull all the floats and gear,
we started by checking the Skinner creek estuary where we had
put in 10 bank den conibear sets yesterday.

We took 6 rats out of 10 sets with one fired empty trap.

Salmon River estuary produced 23 rats from the two day soak
and we pulled everything there.

One rat with a #1.5 stoploss is still at the bottom of the river as
the trap slipped off the stake while hoisting it to the surface.

walleyed had absentmindedly forgot his tater rake
and was unable to retrieve the trap with it's muskrat prize attached.

We shall return at noon on the next sunny day to rake the bottom
and recover our lost rat & trap.

We also set the channel between the South pond & Sandy pond
yesterday and will check that tomorrow.

So we had a total of 29 rats today from two locations.

Hopefully we'll have a decent catch from the 18 sets
we still have in the water at two locations.

Stay tuned.

walleyed

My rats are starting to bite each other. Pulling all rat and beaver traps today.

Thanks ND FTA for posting the pics.

I appreciate it.

walleyed

You need a bigger lifejacket.You outgrew that one.
Nice catch of rats.

They don't make one that size, BOZO !!!!

w

Got a late start today due to a Doctor's appointment.

Checked my two new spots that were set on Tuesday.

Was 5 for 8 at Sandy Island Beach channel to the South Pond
and added a couple beaver sets there. Saw rats swimming
every where with the high water from snow runoff.

Was 6 for 9 at Skinner Creek Estuary so we had a total
catch of 11 rats from 17 sets with a couple 3 fired but empty sets.

Have a bunch of rats to flesh & stretch tomorrow and those 11 rats
to skin after their fur drys before the fans.

Supposed to blow tomorrow so probably won't get any more traps set
but we shall see.

Stay Tuned.

walleyed

A good read every year. Are you allowed colony traps? I used to catch a few but they have been wiped out the last two years. Was a lot of push-ups this winter on the big water when I was coyote trapping this winter so hopefully they are making a comeback.

No colony traps allowed in New York State.

Our trappers association won't advocate
with the DEC Bureau of Wildlife to make them legal.

w

Well that makes no sense. People always worried about a pet/person or whatever being caught in “so called” dangerous traps. I’ve yet to see anyone get caught in a colony trap. Would be interesting to see how many rats you would have caught in that run with the three conibears. Why are they against them, worried you are going to make NY rats extinct? I think we had some of the better trapping regulations where I am. Always interesting hearing what other people can and cannot do. Keep after them!

Certain elements within the DEC Bureau of Wildlife are
hyper-sensitive to "fair chase" when considering trapping
regulations.
They consider colony traps an unfair advantage and therefore,
NOT FAIR CHASE, Makes no sense.

Meanwhile Our trappers association is a non-factor when
advocating for proactive trapper friendly regulations.

NYSTA is always worried about asking the State for anything
that might upset the status quo and so they do nothing.

Democratic politics also pay a major role in trapping regulations
as they control both houses of the state legislature and the governor.

If they had their way, trapping would be banned here.

We are living on borrowed time here in New York State.

walleyed

Complain about the NYS Trappers Association all that you want, but the fact is that in a state as liberal as New York if it were not for NYSTA and the JTI Committee you would not be trapping today. Not everything is to our liking and there are some rules and seasons that I don't like, but thankfully I'm still trapping.

The whiners whine-that is what they do.
They never step up and volunteer their time and effort to the organization responsible for advancing trappers rights and opportunities.
Too much like work.
If their views were so popular with the membership they would be voted in with a landslide.

We don't need your advise here.Wasnt there a guy arrested up in Pakistanada for calling his daughter a girl?Did you stand up and do something about that,,or was it too much work for you?Take care of your own issues,,never mind us.Bozo

You're the biggest whiner on here.
Now go suck on a bat.
Oh by the way-our girly man leader is now more manly than your leader,lol.
And maybe you should start hiding your guns,lol.
To quote Savell-OOHHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLYAAAAAAAAAA.

Enjoy your Curried Beaver Scrapings at supper tonight. PAKISTANADA

Waters gonna be even higher after today Im thinking.Good job so far.

"Meanwhile Our trappers association is a non-factor when
advocating for proactive trapper friendly regulations.

NYSTA is always worried about asking the State for anything
that might upset the status quo and so they do nothing."

I don't believe that's an accurate statement Bob. I urge you to get involved in your local club and go to the NYSTA Board meetings.

I disagree Robert.

But everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I'll be at the next board of directors on April 17th.

We don't have a local club in Jefferson County that is active and holds meetings.

I offer the lack of action on the adoption of snaring regulations
as an example of non-action by NYSTA on trapper friendly regulations.

NYSTA was pretty proactive in advocating for the elimination of a week
of our Northern Zone muskrat trapping season, though.

walleyed

I'm glad to hear that you're going to the BOD meeting. All input is welcomed.

I believe Dave Miller had the snare/cable restraint bill pretty well locked up and his work was submarined by someone.

The 'rats here are mostly bitten and we have 10 days left in the season.

walleyed, good luck with your end of season run

I looked at NYSTA website and fb page just now and I saw nothing about the upcoming BOD meeting. Seems like the last entry of anything is from mid Feb. Maybe it's there, but I didn't see it

For your information the cable restraint bill was torpedoed by the New York Conservation Council..

How long ago was that, AL WEST ? 8 to 10 years ago ?

So that's it, a snare bill never again to be resubmitted in perpetuity ?

Sounds like just an excuse to provide cover for the real reason.

NYSTA leadership, JTI Chair Rockwood, and his master, who
happens to be a major regional NYS fiurbuyer, didn't want a
snaring bill in NYS to begin with behind the scenes.

As long as Rockwood remains JTI Chair, there will never snares/
or cable restraints, or however you want to sugar coat them,
used in New York State.

Prove me wrong AL WEST.

BTW this is a spring muskrat trapping thread.

If you want to argue, start your own thread and argue with yourself.

I don't want my thread deleted because you want to argue.

walleyed

As upstateNY predicted, all the local stream emptying into Sandy Pond are at flood stage,
or have overflowed their banks and are chocolate milk in color.

Many of my traps today were completely submerged and unreachable.

I did catch four rats and two beaver from the ones I could reach out of 18 conibear and 2 330's.

The walleye spawning run is on between Sandy Pond and the South Pond in the YMCA creek
which connects the two water bodies.

Saw 3 to 4 dozen walleye with some around 10 pounds on the gravel with my polarized sunglasses.

It will be a few days until the water recedes and I can set a few more traps.

Time to flesh & stretch some more rats to get caught up.

Stay tuned.

walleyed

I know where them Walleyes are.Carefull,,the DEC don't even like you LOOKING at them when their stacked up like cord wood in there.

Blah,blah, blah.

Foolish ,having used cable restraints in the past ,NY is missing out big time .And their animal friendly

No snares or colony traps either.

Caught 2 rats out of the traps I was able to reach today,
and had many other traps that were clogged with
leaves, grass, twigs and other flotsam.

We planned on setting some numbers of beaver traps
that were easily set by canoe but the high wind
coming off Lake Ontario put a stop to that plan.

Water is still up close to 3 feet over my conibears
and remains the color of chocolate milk.

This complicates trapping bank dens until the water recedes.

If the wind hadn't been blowing 20 knots we would have
thrown in some floats in to take advantage of the now high water.

I have a lot of excuses why we're not stacking the rats up
but that's life until the water levels stabilize.

stay tuned.

w

Is it legal to set “rat dens” but at least 5 ft from rat houses? Not wanting to open a can of worms but clarifying.

The five foot rule applies to structures constructed by the rat in which It could take shelter.

Bank dens don't fall under that rule as their is no way to measure the actual den
structure in which the muskrat would take shelter.

The underwater entrance hole and/or tunnel is not the structure that the rat would take
shelter in so there is no feasible way to quantify the 5 foot rule.

This has been a settled ECON law enforcement interpretation of the rule
since at least the mid-1970's and not even subject to debate as long
as I have been trapping (1972)

walleyed

Thanks. I hope all DEC officers understand.

The ones out in the Alabama swamps I’m sure know .

I had to educate a game warden on the difference between a "rat hut" and a "push up" years ago.

You would have a hard time convincing me a push-up isn’t a structure. Bank tunnel I get. O yea btw it’s a stupid law.

Stupid laws can force trappers to dig deeper and get better > in defense of stupid laws<

Where does the word structure come in?Theres a big difference between a push up or feed pile,,,and an actual muskrat "HOUSE" Muskrat HOUSE is the word used in our NYS regs.

Bob, thanks for sharing your season with us.

When does your season end?

walleyed
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I see where you got it.The actual regs actualy say "house" though.And yes I agree,,stupid rule.

I actually agree with the rule in spring other than that it is an unnecessary restriction

April 15th.

Did you catch any more muskrats walleyes?

Yes Boco,

I caught 5 rats today from two spots.

Not feeling well today.

I had planned on setting a new spot but my ticker started
acting up with my atrial fibrillation.

Started having chest pains so I went home a took a long nap.

Pulled one spot completely and left the other.

It would have been a good day to set traps but I just
ran out of gas by 10:00AM and went home.

I feel a bit better this evening.

Just skinned, fleshed, and stretched the five rats and now I'm
catching up on what BOCO is up to.

w

Hang tough Bob,

Woke up to cold, snow, and wind this morning at dawn.

Checked my Sandy Island Beach sets in the channel
to South Sandy Pond and out of eight sets we had
a Large beaver and three rats. Had another
fired but empty 330. Tried to reset the 330's but the
wind wouldn't let me hold the canoe stable while
I reset the spot so I'll try and reset tomorrow
if the wind lever lets up.

My buddy New Wave Dave took 18 of my
#1.5 Victor Stoploss and set some feed beds
in Black Pond Tuesday and on today's check
pulled out 8 nice rats for me to skin.

Hoping for some nicer weather in the morning so
I can get Stony Creek set up.

Stay Tuned.

walleyed

Windy and more snow through tomorrow.This weekend looks real nice though.Keep at em & good luck.

How much you guys getting for your rat glands this year?

$100.00 a quar t.

It has been that price since the Mayflower landed at Plymouth Rock.

Before you ask, mine are already spoken for.

w

Got on the water soon after dawn, and it was 20*F, a bit nippy.

With the wind finally dead flat calm, we set Stony Creek
and dropped in a dozen #160's and 2 #330 beaver sets.

Loaded the canoe and headed down to Sandy Pond to check
the eight set we had there after a two day soak.

Somebody helped themselves to one of my Victor #1.5 Stoploss
that we had set on a rat toilet log a few inches under the water.
on a six foot conduit stake. They took the trap but left the stake.

Called the ECON game warden to report the theft and cover M.A.

Ended up with 5 rats all together and reset the beaver set that
caught the beaver two days ago.

Hope to string some more beaver and rat steel in the morning if it's calm.

Stay Tuned.

walleyed

Do you move your sets every third day? I've found after 2 days catching you're better off to move than stay another day, it's always a lower percentage catch for me.

If I'm running a lot of sets, yes.

It's an odd year with no feed beds and very few rat toilets because of the extreme low water.

It's almost all bank dens which are taking the place of floats this year for me.

Lot of habitat is not accessible due to the low water.

I'm just screwing around with just a few sets any way.

No gas in the tank this spring for walleyed.

w

walleyed started his day with disappointment
as the Easter Bunny did not visit last night
and leave any Easter eggs, solid chocolate bunny,
or yellow marshmallow peep chicks in our basket.

Stony creek produced 6 rats and two beaver.

We set yet another #330 in the channel to the lodge.

Sandy Island Beach channel to South Sandy Pond
produced 5 rats including the trap thought stolen
yesterday.

walleyed spotted it about 15 feet from where the stake
was, all wrapped up in a wad of aquatic vegetation.

Still can't figure how the trap and rat got separated
from the 6 foot conduit stake.

Just a few days left to beaver season to get a few more.

Stay tuned.

walleyed

How ya holding up Walleyed, doubt I’m going to hit triple digits, I’m planning on pulling by Wednesday, like to have everything ready for sale on the 10th, are you going.?

Newfox, is the 10th the Herkimer auction?

Shop day, fleshed and stretched a beaver for my friend, put up yesterday’s rats and skun yesterday’s beaver, time for Easter pork roast. Yes mike the herkimer auction is on the 10th of April.

Nope,

I will be selling to Gary Groenewold on April 17th
at Carson's Pizza in Adams on Route 11 at 2:00PM.

Don't have enough fur to justify the 2+ hour drive
to the Herkimer Auction.

Plus no commission and no waiting for my check.

GROENY ROCKS

Good Luck on April 10th with the Auction.

w

I’ve never seen adjustable rat boards before, did you make those?

Things were a little bit slow today on the abbreviated trap-line.

Stony Creek produced just two rats and no beaver.

Sandy Island Beach channel produced 2 rats and one LM beaver.

Yanked the few traps we had there and pulled out for the season.

This afternoon got caught up on fleshing and stretching
the Easter Sunday catch of 11 rats, and then skinned & froze
the two beaver for the Groeny pickup.

Depending on how we feel in the morning, we may set the
Colwell Ponds (North & South) if the wind isn't howling.

Considering stringing steel at Lower Black Pond as well.

Just 10 days left in the season to collect a few more rats.

Stay Tuned.

walleyed

Finally got back on the water this morning to check Stony Creek after a 2 day soak.

Had to yank the beaver sets as today is April 7th, the last day of Beaver/Otter season
in New York State.

Can't for the life of me figure out why NYS was so determined to start all water trapping
seasons on the same day (November 1st) but has different closure dates (April 7th) for
Beaver/Otter and (April 15th) for Mink/Muskrat ?

It's counter-intuitive and makes no sense if NYS's goal was to eliminate
confusion by having the same Opener/Closure dates.

No last day beavers in the 3 channel sets, and the rats sets produced
just on lowly muskrat out of a dozen bank den sets.

The game plan was to set some new feed bed/rat toilet sets in some
protected, back water side channels on lower Stony Creek estuary.

Not a breath of wind blowing as we eased the canoe up into the narrow,
backwater slough just barely wide enough for the canoe.

About 100 feet in, we spotted a nice haul out plastered with rat scat
and ample fresh chewings.

walleyed reached for a #1.5 Vic stoploss and conduit stake and had just
half-hitched the ring/chain onto the stake when we noticed that the water
in the channel was rushing out downstream and the channel was rapidly
being de-watered by the lake seiche.

The wind had just come up blowing out of the Northeast and down the
Stony Creek estuary and was quickly emptying the creek.

we tried to quickly back paddle down the side channel but were left high
and dry in the mud & ooze and beached.

20 minutes of push-poling later, we finally made it back the main stem
of the Stony Creek estuary vowing never again to venture into
"the channel from hades" until high lake levels return.

Pulled out at the boat launch, and headed south on NYS Route #3
to Colwell Pond at the Lake View WMA.

Loaded up with 23 #1.5 Vic Stoploss and 22 #160 conibear with
appropriate stakes and paddled off for the west edge of the main
Colwell Pond.

A mild north-east wind of about 5mph was blowing,
but easy enough to paddle against.

The first 400 yards of the west shoreline held not a feed-bed, nor rat toilet,
nor den hole channel to be seen but the force of the wind started to increase.

Finally at each point we arrived at, several deep entrenched rat runs carved
into the sandy pond bottom were clearly visible, and we guarded each one
with a #160.

By the time we reached the channel into North Colwell Pond, the wind velocity
had increased to 20mph and building, the west shoreline water was becoming
muddled and walleyed's ticker was starting to do flips & stutters
with accompanying chest pain and we had no more interest in
bucking the wind any more today.

All toll, we had dropped in just 7 #160's in den hole channel sets before we
pulled the pin and sculled downwind back to the ramp, pulled out,
and headed for home for the day.

Plan is to be back on Colwell & North Colwell Ponds early morning to
string more steel before the wind comes up
and throws a wrench into the works at mid-morning.

Stay tuned.

walleyed

Walleyed ...you got a pic of your rat set up on those lathes....do you use a single spring 160 ?

Caught 15 rats today on a ADC job. It was 80 degs when I set yesterday. They still look good and not a bit up rat In the bunch.

I quit a week ago because of deterioration. They looked like pin cushions.

I hate trapping in the heat,but it has to be done sometimes.
Give me 30 below anyday.
Not looking forward to summer at all-it is shaping up to be a hot one.

I share your hatred of the heat Boco, one of the many reasons northern Canada or Alaska is looking more appealing.

No pics Nessy,

I use a hardwood stake about 4 foot long on a single spring #160 (DUKE).

About 1 1/4 thickness, just slides nicely thru the spring eye, and stays put
by friction when braced against (between) the trap jaws when set vertically.

w

Wind got me again this morning.

Arrived at Colwell Pond at Lakeview WMA to find
a 10mph wind from the Southeast blowing across
the pond and mucking up the western shoreline.

Got 3 rats from the 7 den hole channel sets we put
out yesterday, and then started scanning the shoreline for
more set locations.

With the pond mostly drained from the wind, the distance
from water to cattails was around 10 yards of loon poop
mud mixed with sand and not walk- able.

We searched around 1000 yards of pond edge well into
North Colwell pond without seeing a single rat trapping location
and with the wind continuing to build, we called off our bid to set
any more traps today.

We'll check Stony Creek in the morning.

Stay Tuned.

walleyed

Caught 8 today and pulled out. All males and not a bite In any of them.
Maybe since they are being caught In nothing but colony traps they aren't getting hit on by their buddies.

Not much damage here either, Beav.

A week ago it was about 50% with a single bite mostly.

One of today's rat, a 19" incher, had a large abscess
on it's hind quarter about the size of a wooden nickel

Forewarned of it's location, walleyed attempted to skin
deftly around the festering wound, but failed when it
suddenly exploded sending a blast of nasty puss out
of the cavity as if launched from a cannon.

Did I mention it stank very badly ?

We just barely avoided gagging up our dinner
and spent the next 5 minutes with a roll of paper towel
cleaning up the toxic waste spill.

That the 2nd one of those this spring and hopefully
the last !!!

w

Hard wind around 20mph + from the southeast this morning
when we launched at Stony Creek which was a help as we
scudded downstream pulling traps and stowing stakes in an
orderly fashion so as not to create a tangle at the ramp.

The rats must have moved last night because out of 19 traps
we had set for the past two days we had four fired but empty
#160's, and four #1.5 Vic stoploss also fired and empty.

We also had 6 2XL-3XL rats nicely caught.

The joker was a nasty, and aggressive coon back foot pinched
in a #1.5 vic stoploss.

The rude creature charged us twice and tried to enter the boat presumably to
chew on walleyed's portly carcass and it took some creative jousting
with the tater rake to keep the would-be-boarder from completing
an unwanted entry into our vessel.

After much wailing and gnashing of teeth, the nasty coon
was sent on his way to make someone else's life miserable.

We decided to let the Colwell Pond sets on the Lakeview WMA
soak another day as a the brisk southwest wind would make
checking those traps by canoe today somewhat problematic.

Waiting for the rats to dry so we may skin, flesh, & stretch
them in preparation for marketing them for large cash dollars. LOL

Stay tuned.

walleyed

Keep getting them Walleyed , finishing up in the shed today in prep for herkimer tomorrow. Yea those puss sacks are nasty, didn’t get any in your mouth did you?LOL

Way to go. Stay safe out there

I've noticed that 22 of the 25 rats I caught In this ADC job were all males. Are you keeping track of the male to female ratio?

Hey Beav,I wouldn't brag about you only attracting males!

No Beav,

I don't care except that I am harvesting the male & female rat glands
to be sold for cash money !!

Otherwise, I don't really care.

w

Was out the door at 5:00AM this morning for
a real early start to get my traps pulled before
the wind came up on Colwell Pond.

Hooked up the canoe trailer, headed for the
diner in Pierrepont Manor for coffee & breakfast.

At 6:45AM we were paddling away from the launch
and already the southeast wind was already blowing.

7 traps to pull included 2 nice, big, plump, 2XL-3XL
rats with the last one suffering the final indignation
of having another rat drop a load of rat scat on his
back as he lay dead & immobilized in the #160.

With all traps aboard, we paddled back to the launch
against the wind to conclude our spring 2021 muskrat season.

Our final 2 rat catch is drying before the fans, and we'll
get them skinned, fleshed, and stretched this afternoon.

Then it's time to dismantle the floats, dye & wax the traps
we used this spring, and stow away everything for the summer.

Thanks for coming along on our rat line this spring.

walleyed

Thanks for the ride!

LOL

But they are the bigger and better rats and they have glands. So It takes real skill to catch the better quality rats. And leave the females for seed. I'm farming these rats on these ADC jobs. LOL

Thanks walleyed for the ride along

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Thats unethical

Don't worry Boco it was only coming from The Beav
it's not what others think ; but what Beav does.

Walleyed thank for the season ride along, it was great to follow.

We have to farm these rats In the Dane county park system. The one lagoon area Is probably 7 acres In size but we can only trap half of It. Part of the area Is a safe zone. And It's not a option it has to be that way or we don't get to trap at all.

So get over It North of 50.

I figured that beav was a bit crooked,lol.

Thanks for the ride along always enjoy reading about your adventures

Your wrong Boco I play strictly by the rules.

You just admitted to leaving rats behind on purpose to breed when you were hired and paid to get rid of the problem.
Crooked,lol.

Did you read the post about not be able to trap the whole area. And your only allowed to trap for 3 days In the spring and 3 days In the fall. I play the cards I'm dealt no more no less.

I know your a stand up guy beav,just yanking your chain.

Thanks Boco I've got your back. I've always said If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.