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Posted By: James

Another view from the left - 03/23/21 01:33 AM

I don't see how some here can call me a liberal.

From my USM email account today:

THE FACULTY AND STAFF OF COLOR ASSOCIATION
AT THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHERN MAINE
STAND TOGETHER WITH
THE ASIAN AMERICAN AND PACIFIC ISLAND COMMUNITY (AAPI) AND
DENOUNCE THE VIOLENCE THAT HAS TAKEN
THEIR LIFE AND LIBERTY.

The recent discriminatory behavior in our own state of MAINE and across the country is unacceptable and must be addressed by our communities and the appropriate authorities.
WORK TO END VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN!
STAND UP AGAINST HATE!
STAND UP FOR LOVE!
TALK TO YOUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS
AND PROMOTE PEACE!

The atrocity of the recent hate crimes against the AAPI community must not be discounted. Stop AAPI Hate reported at least 3,800 incidents of anti-Asian violence since March 2020; many other instances go unreported. In addition to the murderous hate crimes in Atlanta, there are hate crimes committed right here in Portland. These acts underlie a harsh truth that we all have to face: racism and xenophobia are very real and extremely dangerous for those who continue to suffer its wrath.


These tragedies are a terrible reminder of the violent and combined impact of white supremacy, misogyny, and patriarchy on Asian women. To speak against anti-Asian racism and xenophobia is also to speak against anti-Blackness and settler-colonialism. White supremacy repeatedly uses race, culture, gender, sexuality, religion, and class to define citizenship. Violence against Asians/Asian American women must be understood at these intersections.

No one should have to live in fear. The systemic entrenchment of white supremacy has to be confronted, dismantled and destroyed. In order to do this effectively, we have to uproot racist and xenophobic policies and tropes, while learning about historical and persisting forms of structural racism and systemic oppression. Antiracism represents new possibilities that can only be strengthened through multiracial movements and solidarity.


To take action, please refer to Stop Asian Hate: What You Can Do To Make a Difference (gofundme.com), STOP AAPI HATE - ACT NOW
Additional resource guide here - Stop AAPI Hate: A Resource Guide to Support the Asian-American Community | Playbill


To report an incident or concern about racial bias or discrimination at USM, contact:
Dr. Idella Glenn, Associate Vice President, Equity, Inclusion and Community Impact.
William M. Johnson, Director of Intercultural Student Engagement.


We, USM’s FSOCA, call on all who care about our country and what it stands for to take action to protect the liberties guaranteed by our Constitution -- for all of us!
Posted By: warrior

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 01:35 AM

And your opinion on that communist drivel?
Posted By: Diggerman

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 01:39 AM

Asian hate crime has increased because the fake news wants it to. The reason for the increase is easy, increased exposure, increased reporting. The only people who have the [propensity for such nonsense is liberals.
Posted By: James

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 01:44 AM

Warrior, I don't agree that it's Communist. You should be careful what words you sling around.

I will agree it's drivel though. Someone's trying to drum up allies in the culture wars, and Asians look ripe for the picking, after one mass-murder incident.

There is some latent racism against Asians in the US, but most of the blatant racism is gone.

Jim
Posted By: AntiGov

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 01:49 AM

I only read your first sentence

Click bait into a black hole of bs
Posted By: Posco

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 02:08 AM

Keep in mind Portland, Maine is as liberal as Portland, Oregon. Pure drivel.
Posted By: waggler

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 02:21 AM

These folks are trying their hardest to stir up Asian Americans, I don't think it will work out too well for them; The Asians who I know (and I assume most of the rest of them) are way too smart to be baited into that sort of nonsense. At the same time these idiots who are trying to stir the pot want to lump Asian Americans with whites when it comes to college entrance requirements. They don't seem to be able to keep their story straight.

Regarding the murders in Atlanta; liberal policy is responsible for those murders. It is a well known fact that one of the most dangerous businesses to be involved with is human sex trafficking. Liberal policies that turn a blind eye to the plight of these women and sometimes kids, is what is responsible for their deaths, the fact that they were primarily Korean is not the reason the guy murdered them. He is a sociopathic killer.
Posted By: hippie

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 02:22 AM

Our school system is beyond broken.
Posted By: rex123

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 02:24 AM

The news says most attacks on Asian have been by black people. How do they get around that?
Posted By: Savell

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 02:25 AM

... I say live and let live so long as you stay out of folks minnow buckets
Posted By: 8117 Steve R

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 02:41 AM

Funny how I never get an email like that. I wonder how they got the email addresses they sent them too?
Posted By: Posco

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 02:46 AM

Originally Posted by James
I don't see how some here can call me a liberal.


Leftist but never a liberal.
Posted By: James

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 02:55 AM

Originally Posted by 8117 Steve R
Funny how I never get an email like that. I wonder how they got the email addresses they sent them too?


I got the email because I'm currently a student at USM. I've never given them a dime.

Jim
Posted By: bucksnbears

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 02:56 AM

James, YOU ARE a LIBERAL.
You are also a Laywer, which (in my mind), thinks you are smarter then the "rest of us".
You are smart enuff to keep most posts about 2nd amendment rights in your discussions to avoid getting banned, even though your beliefs on this forum differ then the vast majority.
I really did have hopes for you a year or 2 back being a mis directed fella but.....

You are like my father. Die hard Democrat but its old school and can't admit the party has changed.
A Democrat that owns guns and has (can't see) what is going on is sick
Posted By: James

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 03:00 AM

Wrong, Bucks--I'm not a Democrat.

I do think I'm right most of the time. So sue me. So does everyone else.

Jim
Posted By: Law Dog

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 03:04 AM

I don’t think the MEGA people are attacking Asians in those Liberal sewers but you can bet the MSM will make it look that way.
Posted By: hippie

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 03:04 AM

Originally Posted by James
Wrong, Bucks--I'm not a Democrat.

I do think I'm right most of the time. So sue me. So does everyone else.

Jim


That's why you clash with Trump, you both have the same mentality.
Posted By: yukonjeff

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 03:13 AM

For those that dont know it the new Asian hate is coming from BLM and ANTIFA funded by globalist Soros and Rothchild's to destroy America. Trying to divide America. The open border is not destroying us fast enough. Same ones that installed Biden as fake president.
Posted By: keystone

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 03:22 AM

I’ve never heard of such nonsense, since when does everyone have to condemn murder? I thought that went without saying if you’re a normal person? All the headlines following those murders were Joe Biden and Kamala Harris condemn violence against Asian Americans! What a bunch of lunatics in the media, the same ones that asked Trump probably 1,000 times if he condemns white supremacy. They use this crap as a distraction to take the focus off the liberals destroying this country and the sad part is how many people actually fall for it. I couldn’t tell you the last time i even saw an Asian, maybe that’s because i don’t frequent the massage parlors.
Posted By: James

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 03:26 AM

"I couldn’t tell you the last time i even saw an Asian, maybe that’s because i don’t frequent the massage parlors." - Keystone.

What a jackarse.

Jim
Posted By: Dirt

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by James
"I couldn’t tell you the last time i even saw an Asian, maybe that’s because i don’t frequent the massage parlors." - Keystone.

What a jackarse.

Jim


That's big talk from him. I'm betting he is Okama.
Posted By: Donnersurvivor

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 03:33 AM

The rise in Asian and Anti Semitic hate crimes are mostly due to black offenders.

https://spectator.us/topic/stop-whi...EPjbDJjyjUXSoR4xZTU-bO2rbq1ELRerl6fnC13U

Asians have a high average IQ, they wont hook their wagon to these agitators.
Posted By: keystone

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 03:34 AM

Originally Posted by James
"I couldn’t tell you the last time i even saw an Asian, maybe that’s because i don’t frequent the massage parlors." - Keystone.

What a jackarse.

Jim


I’m serious, i don’t see Asians around here but if i were to listen to the media every Tom, Dick, and Harry on planet earth are plotting some kind of hate against them. It’s total nonsense, one nut job murders some people and the left can’t wait to politicize it and play the racist card. The left runs on two things, immigration and racism. That’s all they know!
Posted By: James

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 03:35 AM

Most Asians I know--and none of them work in massage parlors--have too much pride to play victims.

Jim
Posted By: turkn8rtrapper

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 03:37 AM

If anyone would look at the statistics there has been a rise in Asian hate crimes. Read further in those statistics and you will find that a very very few of the instances are committed by white persons. The vast majority of Asian hate crimes is however committed by=Wait for It- Blacks. Just make sure all the facts are out there. Sounds like the anti's just use the part that suits you not the whole truth.
Posted By: Furvor

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 03:56 AM

The Email is subterfuge to promote the following statement:

Quote
White supremacy repeatedly uses race, culture, gender, sexuality, religion, and class to define citizenship.


Don't be fooled by the distractions wrapped around that statement.
Posted By: FairbanksLS

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 04:46 AM

James

Just because there are people farther to the left than you doesn't mean you aren't left of center. I considered you to the left since I started reading your posts on Coyotes R Us. The only person farther to the left than you was Gappa.
Posted By: Marty

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 04:49 AM

sick

the guy is happy biden is potus and he thinks he is a staunch conservative........what a dummy.
Posted By: maintenanceguy

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 05:01 AM

I am the whitest white guy you'll ever meet. Most would call me a redneck. If there's racism in America, It's likely I've been exposed to some of the negatives things being said. I have NEVER heard anyone who hated Asians. Plus, they're probably the most successful immigrant group in America. Picking Asians to be the latest fad in victim groups is a weird choice.

I guess they're running out of victim groups.
Posted By: waggler

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 05:12 AM

Originally Posted by James
Most Asians I know--and none of them work in massage parlors--have too much pride to play victims.

Jim

x2
Posted By: Dirt

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 05:24 AM

Originally Posted by white dog
James

Just because there are people farther to the left than you doesn't mean you aren't left of center. I considered you to the left since I started reading your posts on Coyotes R Us. The only person farther to the left than you was Gappa.


I would put him in the center. That's how bad this country has gotten including the self proclaimed dingbat conservatives. Jesus; look at all the self proclaimed conservative salivated over their next stimilator check. crazy
Posted By: waggler

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 05:45 AM

^^^^^^
Can't really disagree with that.
Posted By: FairbanksLS

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 06:05 AM

Anybody who supported Obamacare is left of center. If there is one thing that should incentivize someone to work hard it is the health of themselves and their family. That was taken away with socialized medicine. Socialism makes a work ethic unnecessary for those who are satisfied with just getting by. Some folks need a little push to provide for themselves.
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 07:03 AM

Systemic racism exists. I have a niece and nephew, both born in Korea, adopted by my sister. John is a literal genius. They live in Denver. At 20 he was earning more money than some doctors. He bought himself a real nice BMW. He was constantly being stopped and harassed by L.E. They saw a young asian male driving a high end expensive sports car and thought gangster. He had to hire an attorney to stop the harassment. Systemic racism exists. When the china flu first hit him and his sister both had some problems.

This constant victimizing by the press does not help. IMO it only makes things worse. Equal under the law. We probably never really achieve that but its a good goal. This mask wearing thing is a good example of how people believe what their TV says. TV doesn't need to tell someone they are being discriminated against. That person already knows. Its enough of a problem we don't need people making it worse with media exaggeration.
Posted By: Posco

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 09:01 AM

I grew up watching the war in Vietnam on TV and also had brothers over there. I had a terrible bias toward Asians for a good deal of my life but that's been gone for a long time now. As of today, they're being abused like the other pawns the left finds beneficial to their cause.
Posted By: James

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 09:40 AM

I posted the thread because I was curious what y'all would make of the above quoted material, which I received in my University of Southern Maine email-box. To find out if, despite it being drivel, there might be a grain of truth to any of it.

My wife says there is, but she's been influenced by the news videos showing Asians getting punched out on the street. Nevertheless, she points out there is some truth to white bias against Asians. See the gentlemen who suggested Asian women all work in massage parlors.

Jim
Posted By: Mike in A-town

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by James
Originally Posted by 8117 Steve R
Funny how I never get an email like that. I wonder how they got the email addresses they sent them too?


I got the email because I'm currently a student at USM. I've never given them a dime.

Jim


Is that a Bernie Sanders institution of higher learning then? You tell us you're currently a student but you haven't given them a dime... Are you paying them in apples?

Sure seems like you're getting the most out of your money there.

As for the email, I don't know whether to laugh or just call BS...

On the one hand, this country is so racist that we elected Joe "racial jungle" Biden to run the place. But the fact that he's so old and senile tells you how deep we had to dig to find someone as racist as he is.

On the other hand the second highest position of power is held by a woman of both African and Indian ancestry... And last I checked Indians are technically Asians. But it would appear that she was hired based on her gender/race and not the content of her character since she climbed through the ranks on the flat of her back... And made her marks systematically prosecuting people of her own "kind" for activities she herself was involved in.

I guess Billy Connolly was right... "Hypocrisy is the vaseline of political intercourse."

Mike
Posted By: GARY M.

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 10:18 AM

Right now in America in my view, the white race is receiving the most racism.
Posted By: Jiggamitch

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 10:21 AM

Bravo!
Posted By: 330-Trapper

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by AntiGov
I only read your first sentence

Click bait into a black hole of bs

Amen!!

Left leaning propoganda
Posted By: J Staton

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 10:49 AM

My only real contact with Asians is while fishing below the local lock & dam. The only real problem is they seem to have no "fishin' etiquette" across the majority of the local fishing population as compared to us crackers and the colored folk.
Posted By: Michigander

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 11:43 AM

If you guys think James is extremely liberal you must not frequent any other websites. Just for fun go browse the front page of reddit and read some opinions there. They make James look far right.

It does good to hear what the other side says.
Posted By: Crit-R-Dun

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by keystone
I couldn’t tell you the last time i even saw an Asian, maybe that’s because i don’t frequent the massage parlors.



James, I must say, you sure have a way of drawing out a special kind of people around this place.
Posted By: Blaine County

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 12:21 PM

Everything in this country is now driven by political loyalty tests.

The University is trying to prove its loyalty to the left with the statement. And, don't underestimate the financial motivation. International students are lucrative for universities so I expect there is some additional pandering to keep the money coming.

Based on what I've read (and he can correct me), James is an old school liberal. Some of y'all will have to remember this country pre-2016, but liberal is/was not the same as a leftist. Liberals had different ideas than conservatives but could sometimes overlap on the political spectrum. Leftist are nuts. At some point, the terms merged but the goals and ideas did not fully merge--yet.

The same hijacking happened in my party. So called conservative Republicans cheering for big government and stimulus welfare--embarrassing.

But nuance is dead. Independent thought is on life support. Civil discussion is impossible. If one does not enthusiastically pass the loyalty test administered, he is the enemy and all should be outraged.

We are screwed.

Posted By: mnsota

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by James
I posted the thread because I was curious what y'all would make of the above quoted material, which I received in my University of Southern Maine email-box. To find out if, despite it being drivel, there might be a grain of truth to any of it.

My wife says there is, but she's been influenced by the news videos showing Asians getting punched out on the street. Nevertheless, she points out there is some truth to white bias against Asians. See the gentlemen who suggested Asian women all work in massage parlors.

Jim



If you were to take main stream media reporting to heart, you would think an Asian was being beaten around every corner by white supremacists ,when in fact overwhelmingly the majority of attacks are blacks on Asians.

It's unfortunate that the quoted material you posted is becoming so prevalent through news outlets that it is driving apprehension and rapid divisiveness among racial lines. sad
Posted By: Law Dog

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 01:29 PM

If your attacking 80 year old people your not a racist your just a coward is all.
Posted By: jht

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by Blaine County
Everything in this country is now driven by political loyalty tests.

The University is trying to prove its loyalty to the left with the statement. And, don't underestimate the financial motivation. International students are lucrative for universities so I expect there is some additional pandering to keep the money coming.

Based on what I've read (and he can correct me), James is an old school liberal. Some of y'all will have to remember this country pre-2016, but liberal is/was not the same as a leftist. Liberals had different ideas than conservatives but could sometimes overlap on the political spectrum. Leftist are nuts. At some point, the terms merged but the goals and ideas did not fully merge--yet.

The same hijacking happened in my party. So called conservative Republicans cheering for big government and stimulus welfare--embarrassing.

But nuance is dead. Independent thought is on life support. Civil discussion is impossible. If one does not enthusiastically pass the loyalty test administered, he is the enemy and all should be outraged.

We are screwed.



This post probably contains the most truth in this thread. We shouldn't whine about leftist drivel if we aren't willing to ponder the possible existence of rightist drivel and consider how much of that we might be blindly accepting. Kudos to James for consistently exhibiting his ability to have independent thoughts.
Posted By: 330-Trapper

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 02:02 PM

No Kudos for left leaners....especially Biden voters Centerists = Socialist 2nd Ammendment loss
Posted By: Michigander

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 02:11 PM

Trump was no great friend of the 2nd amendment either. Not as bad as Biden but you need to be critcal of both sides if you enjoy freedom.
Posted By: Law Dog

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 02:16 PM

Let’s see whose worse in the next 4 years.
Posted By: mnsota

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 02:28 PM

It's not rightest drivel that has implemented sanctuary cities
It's not rightest drivel that has opened our border to an invasion of illegal aliens
it's not rightest drivel that initiated no bail
it's not rightest drivel that allows riots and looting in our cities
it's not rightest drivel that sets up bail promissory to those above that riot and ruin
It's not rightest drivel that pushes and promotes gun control initiatives
ect...

Where are these liberals that are pushing back against the leftists? Haven't seen any on the news casts.
Posted By: Blaine County

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 02:45 PM

Everyone thinks their tribe is best--see the loyalty tests being administered above.

Y'all should join me in the libertarian wing of the Republican Party--it's great over here, we get to actually think for ourselves.
Posted By: Mike in A-town

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Blaine County
Everything in this country is now driven by political loyalty tests.

The University is trying to prove its loyalty to the left with the statement. And, don't underestimate the financial motivation. International students are lucrative for universities so I expect there is some additional pandering to keep the money coming.

Based on what I've read (and he can correct me), James is an old school liberal. Some of y'all will have to remember this country pre-2016, but liberal is/was not the same as a leftist. Liberals had different ideas than conservatives but could sometimes overlap on the political spectrum. Leftist are nuts. At some point, the terms merged but the goals and ideas did not fully merge--yet.

The same hijacking happened in my party. So called conservative Republicans cheering for big government and stimulus welfare--embarrassing.

But nuance is dead. Independent thought is on life support. Civil discussion is impossible. If one does not enthusiastically pass the loyalty test administered, he is the enemy and all should be outraged.

We are screwed.



Basically agree. The folks who framed our constitution were liberals in the classic sense. There are so many things out there that I don't agree with but they don't effect me... so I don't care about them. And I refuse to petition government to force my own views and opinions on everyone else.

If we had stuck to the plan where everybody minded their own business instead of trying to legislate their values on to everyone else we wouldn't be dealing with all this BS we have now.

Mike
Posted By: Blaine County

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by Mike in A-town
Originally Posted by Blaine County
Everything in this country is now driven by political loyalty tests.

The University is trying to prove its loyalty to the left with the statement. And, don't underestimate the financial motivation. International students are lucrative for universities so I expect there is some additional pandering to keep the money coming.

Based on what I've read (and he can correct me), James is an old school liberal. Some of y'all will have to remember this country pre-2016, but liberal is/was not the same as a leftist. Liberals had different ideas than conservatives but could sometimes overlap on the political spectrum. Leftist are nuts. At some point, the terms merged but the goals and ideas did not fully merge--yet.

The same hijacking happened in my party. So called conservative Republicans cheering for big government and stimulus welfare--embarrassing.

But nuance is dead. Independent thought is on life support. Civil discussion is impossible. If one does not enthusiastically pass the loyalty test administered, he is the enemy and all should be outraged.

We are screwed.



Basically agree. The folks who framed our constitution were liberals in the classic sense. There are so many things out there that I don't agree with but they don't effect me... so I don't care about them. And I refuse to petition government to force my own views and opinions on everyone else.

If we had stuck to the plan where everybody minded their own business instead of trying to legislate their values on to everyone else we wouldn't be dealing with all this BS we have now.

Mike


Good points.
Posted By: upstateNY

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 02:54 PM

[quote=James]I don't see how some here can call me a liberal.

Then,,no wonder your Lawyer practice didn't pan out for you.
grin
Posted By: AntiGov

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
No Kudos for left leaners....especially Biden voters Centerists = Socialist 2nd Ammendment loss

X2
Posted By: AntiGov

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by Blaine County
Everything in this country is now driven by political loyalty tests.

The University is trying to prove its loyalty to the left with the statement. And, don't underestimate the financial motivation. International students are lucrative for universities so I expect there is some additional pandering to keep the money coming.

Based on what I've read (and he can correct me), James is an old school liberal. Some of y'all will have to remember this country pre-2016, but liberal is/was not the same as a leftist. Liberals had different ideas than conservatives but could sometimes overlap on the political spectrum. Leftist are nuts. At some point, the terms merged but the goals and ideas did not fully merge--yet.

The same hijacking happened in my party. So called conservative Republicans cheering for big government and stimulus welfare--embarrassing.

But nuance is dead. Independent thought is on life support. Civil discussion is impossible. If one does not enthusiastically pass the loyalty test administered, he is the enemy and all should be outraged.

We are screwed.




Your party is dead ....the Rino party
Posted By: AntiGov

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Blaine County
Everyone thinks their tribe is best--see the loyalty tests being administered above.

Y'all should join me in the libertarian wing of the Republican Party--it's great over here, we get to actually think for ourselves.



Yeah that's it , a comfortable place to hide from inaction

Fence riders are far worse than the enemy
Posted By: PAskinner

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 03:13 PM

I'm sure there's some white supremacists out there. But what we have seen over the past year is the rise of black power and anarchist hate groups that the media by and large panders to.
Posted By: upstateNY

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by Michigander
Trump was no great friend of the 2nd amendment either. Not as bad as Biden but you need to be critcal of both sides if you enjoy freedom.

You and JIMMY are the reason our country is in the shape its in.
Posted By: Dirt

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by upstateNY
Originally Posted by Michigander
Trump was no great friend of the 2nd amendment either. Not as bad as Biden but you need to be critcal of both sides if you enjoy freedom.

You and JIMMY are the reason our country is in the shape its in.


Them guys voted for FDR during the 30's.
Posted By: waggler

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by danny clifton
Systemic racism exists. I have a niece and nephew, both born in Korea, adopted by my sister. John is a literal genius. They live in Denver. At 20 he was earning more money than some doctors. He bought himself a real nice BMW. He was constantly being stopped and harassed by L.E. They saw a young asian male driving a high end expensive sports car and thought gangster. He had to hire an attorney to stop the harassment. Systemic racism exists. When the china flu first hit him and his sister both had some problems.

This constant victimizing by the press does not help. IMO it only makes things worse. Equal under the law. We probably never really achieve that but its a good goal. This mask wearing thing is a good example of how people believe what their TV says. TV doesn't need to tell someone they are being discriminated against. That person already knows. Its enough of a problem we don't need people making it worse with media exaggeration.

I don't know what "systemic racism" is, I think it's a made-up term that is supposed to make us all feel guilty (which I don't).

However, I do agree that the hateful, mean attitudes that you describe do in fact exist. I know from personal experience it does. I think it varies from one part of the Country to the other though.

I grew up on the west coast, went to school with Asians, Whites, Hispanics and Native Americans (have to say that since there are so many East Indians around now). I'm pretty white, but my mom is of Sami ancestry, so I have a pretty good epicanthic fold to my upper eyelids; it was very pronounced when I was a kid. In other words I had "Chinese eyes".

In about 1970 I got shipped off during my 7th grade year to a boarding home near Ivyland Pennsylvania -that's a long story- I was sent to a local public school, it was huge for a junior high school. I was subject to ceaseless harassment because everyone thought I was "Chinese". I couldn't figure out why they hated Asians so much, still can't figure out why, I don't think they had ever even seen one. It was not a fun experience for a 13 year old.
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 03:43 PM

America is the least racist country in most of the world. Look at how commercials are inclusive of all colors. TV quiz shows incorporate all races of people.

The racism that is prevalent is more of the minority guilty of racism with their BLM signs and physically attacking anyone who doesn't tolerate their riotous behavior. A white man was attacked because he had a sign that said "All Lives Matter". He was attacked and nearly killed by a man carrying a BLM sign. Only a local main stream media station mentioned the incident. FOX, Newsmax and OAN all covered it.
Posted By: Blaine County

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by waggler
Originally Posted by danny clifton
Systemic racism exists. I have a niece and nephew, both born in Korea, adopted by my sister. John is a literal genius. They live in Denver. At 20 he was earning more money than some doctors. He bought himself a real nice BMW. He was constantly being stopped and harassed by L.E. They saw a young asian male driving a high end expensive sports car and thought gangster. He had to hire an attorney to stop the harassment. Systemic racism exists. When the china flu first hit him and his sister both had some problems.

This constant victimizing by the press does not help. IMO it only makes things worse. Equal under the law. We probably never really achieve that but its a good goal. This mask wearing thing is a good example of how people believe what their TV says. TV doesn't need to tell someone they are being discriminated against. That person already knows. Its enough of a problem we don't need people making it worse with media exaggeration.

I don't know what "systemic racism" is, I think it's a made-up term that is supposed to make us all feel guilty (which I don't).

However, I do agree that the hateful, mean attitudes that you describe do in fact exist. I know from personal experience it does. I think it varies from one part of the Country to the other though.

I grew up on the west coast, went to school with Asians, Whites, Hispanics and Native Americans (have to say that since there are so many East Indians around now). I'm pretty white, but my mom is of Sami ancestry, so I have a pretty good epicanthic fold to my upper eyelids; it was very pronounced when I was a kid. In other words I had "Chinese eyes".

in about 1970 I got shipped off during my 7th grade year to a boarding home near Ivyland Pennsylvania -that's a long story- I was sent to a local public school, it was huge for a junior high school. I was subject to ceaseless harassment because everyone thought I was "Chinese". I couldn't figure out why they hated Asians so much, still can't figure out why, I don't think they had ever even seen one. It was not a fun experience for a 13 year old.


I agree. In 2021, there is no such thing as systematic racism in this country. 1961, sure. Not today.

It is a manufactured political message.
Posted By: canebrake

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Michigander
Trump was no great friend of the 2nd amendment either. Not as bad as Biden but you need to be critcal of both sides if you enjoy freedom.

I never trusted him completely on the 2A either, just like I don't trust any politician.

He did mention protecting the 2A in his rallies way more than any other President ever did though. No other Republican President ever mentioned it as far as I can remember.

I have a feeling Don Jr influenced him.
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 03:54 PM

There was never any way or circumstance where under Trump, you would have ever lost your right to ever own a firearm. You can't make that statement about the party of the democrats. If the current administration could make it illegal to own any type of firearm, they would do it in a heartbeat.
Posted By: J Staton

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 03:56 PM

Systemic racism does against. It's called affirmative action.
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 03:56 PM

I think the question needs to be if those brothels staffed with illegal asian girls are not even hiding, are the girls slaves? did they steal from the shooter? why are the authorities in GA allowing these places to operate openly? who is getting paid off? the racism thing is just to cause trouble
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 03:58 PM

Trapper7 that statement is incorrect.
Posted By: Michigander

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by upstateNY
Originally Posted by Michigander
Trump was no great friend of the 2nd amendment either. Not as bad as Biden but you need to be critcal of both sides if you enjoy freedom.

You and JIMMY are the reason our country is in the shape its in.

How so?
Posted By: Blaine County

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by J Staton
Systemic racism does against. It's called affirmative action.


Fair. Add cancel culture applied to those that do not passionately display white guilt.
Posted By: Dirt

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 03:58 PM

Why are we so concerned about racism? It is normal. Is that why? confused
Posted By: hippie

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by danny clifton
I think the question needs to be if those brothels staffed with illegal asian girls are not even hiding, are the girls slaves? did they steal from the shooter? why are the authorities in GA allowing these places to operate openly? who is getting paid off? the racism thing is just to cause trouble



I think he ran outta money so no more boom-boom.
Posted By: Blaine County

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by upstateNY
Originally Posted by Michigander

You and JIMMY are the reason our country is in the shape its in.

How so?


It's a loyalty test and if you don't agree by bowing to Trump you have failed the test.

We've debated this before on TMan. Trump sucked on the 2A--I'm not listing the reason again.

Yes Clinton would have sucked more and Biden definitely sucks more, blah blah blah. Trump still sucked.
Posted By: Matt28

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 04:14 PM

Yes trump may have sucked but what I can't under stand is why some people don't get that every person that has any involvement in politics sucks so the only thing to do is pick the one that sucked the least. Thats not rocket science. Trump won first round because he sucked the least. Biden is the president now, that's sucks big time. The people who think one day someone is going to run for president that is the perfect candidate is retarded. I mean if things keep on the way they are going then being part of China won't be so bad. I would think they won't be giving any welfare out or giving black people money because they are black.
Posted By: riverratdm

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 04:22 PM

Most of the videos I have seen are black on asian violence. Not sure how white supremecy ties into that....
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 04:31 PM

I see a difference between liberals and the left. IMO, James is a liberal, but not a leftist.
A liberal is someone who loves America, but doesn't always like the direction the country is taking.
A leftist is someone who hates America and wants to change America into the country they think it should be.
Posted By: KeithC

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Trapper7
America is the least racist country in most of the world. Look at how commercials are inclusive of all colors. TV quiz shows incorporate all races of people.

The racism that is prevalent is more of the minority guilty of racism with their BLM signs and physically attacking anyone who doesn't tolerate their riotous behavior. A white man was attacked because he had a sign that said "All Lives Matter". He was attacked and nearly killed by a man carrying a BLM sign. Only a local main stream media station mentioned the incident. FOX, Newsmax and OAN all covered it.


I strongly disagree. America is the most racist country in the world as evidenced by it's commercials and game shows which miserably fail to include whites anywhere close to their percentage in the population. Asians and nonwhite Hispanics were also underrepresented, until recently.

The vast majority of great accomplishments in America, were achieved by whites and are now ignored. For the most part, only achievements by minorities are now touted.

A society can't fix racism by just switching to be racist against another race. It just causes more hate. Society should just judge people by their character and accomplishments. The pendulum of social justice needs to stop in the middle, not swing back and forth.

Americans view of race is itself racist. People are considered to be of a minority race if they have any visible traits of that race, even if they are of mostly of white genetics. Americans seem to believe that minority genes make you impure, which is incredibly racist. We need to just judge people on their own merits.

Keith
Posted By: AntiGov

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Trapper7
I see a difference between liberals and the left. IMO, James is a liberal, but not a leftist.
A liberal is someone who loves America, but doesn't always like the direction the country is taking.
A leftist is someone who hates America and wants to change America into the country they think it should be.



Both are detrimental to America
Posted By: Dirt

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 05:10 PM

"Why is racism so big in Japan? "

"The hand-written sign in the entrance of a cosmetics shop in Japan might have been shocking to many Chinese, but to some observers its message was all too familiar.

The sign, which said Chinese people were not allowed to enter, caused outrage when images of it were posted on Chinese websites last month."
Posted By: Sprung & Rusty

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Trapper7
I see a difference between liberals and the left. IMO, James is a liberal, but not a leftist.
A liberal is someone who loves America, but doesn't always like the direction the country is taking.
A leftist is someone who hates America and wants to change America into the country they think it should be.

I think from all your comments on this thread that you don't have a clue.
Posted By: hippie

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by AntiGov
Originally Posted by Trapper7
I see a difference between liberals and the left. IMO, James is a liberal, but not a leftist.
A liberal is someone who loves America, but doesn't always like the direction the country is taking.
A leftist is someone who hates America and wants to change America into the country they think it should be.



Both are detrimental to America



Yep, one is the other. We have two parties that are night and day different, no debate about that. Your either with us or not.
Posted By: ToTheWoods

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 05:40 PM

I can't believe that someone with a slightly different view from many of us can post something to get an opinion and then get hammered like some of the things I have read. We talk about the media trying to divide the country and create something that isn't there and then I tune into Tman and read all the finger pointing going on. So look in the mirror people because some of you are contributing to that divide with some of these statements. If you share an opinion without a personal attack. Try and be big boys and girls.

Maybe the post was to get a few of you to bite and... you bit. That's how easy it was for BLM and the media to put more than 100 million into a useless and fraudulent organizations bank coffers in less than a years time.
Posted By: hippie

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 05:44 PM

Hate to break the news to ya, but unless you've been in a cave and haven't seen what has been shoved thru congress and what will be, there is no middle ground between the two parties.

Like I said above, your either with us (gun owners, outdoors men and for America) or your not. No debating it.

The divide starts at the top, not the bottom. How can a person support what's going on with the one party right now?
Posted By: AntiGov

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 05:44 PM

If you don't realize by now what is going on here ....... well it's too late for you !
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by danny clifton
Trapper7 that statement is incorrect.

No, it's not if you read it more carefully. You would never lose your right to own some type of firearm under Trump. Not so, under the democratic party if they could pull it off. They want to totally disarm America. At least most of them do.

As I recall, you were the same person who thought awhile back that anyone should be able to own an M60 machine gun if they wanted it. A ridiculous statement! Maybe for you, it would be OK because you would never use it to cause harm to anyone. But, it would be better to make it illegal for everyone not to own one because there is always that one kook out there. That's just common sense.
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by AntiGov
Originally Posted by Trapper7
I see a difference between liberals and the left. IMO, James is a liberal, but not a leftist.
A liberal is someone who loves America, but doesn't always like the direction the country is taking.
A leftist is someone who hates America and wants to change America into the country they think it should be.



Both are detrimental to America


True, but one is much worse than the other.
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by KeithC
Originally Posted by Trapper7
America is the least racist country in most of the world. Look at how commercials are inclusive of all colors. TV quiz shows incorporate all races of people.

The racism that is prevalent is more of the minority guilty of racism with their BLM signs and physically attacking anyone who doesn't tolerate their riotous behavior. A white man was attacked because he had a sign that said "All Lives Matter". He was attacked and nearly killed by a man carrying a BLM sign. Only a local main stream media station mentioned the incident. FOX, Newsmax and OAN all covered it.


I strongly disagree. America is the most racist country in the world as evidenced by it's commercials and game shows which miserably fail to include whites anywhere close to their percentage in the population. Asians and nonwhite Hispanics were also underrepresented, until recently.

The vast majority of great accomplishments in America, were achieved by whites and are now ignored. For the most part, only achievements by minorities are now touted.

A society can't fix racism by just switching to be racist against another race. It just causes more hate. Society should just judge people by their character and accomplishments. The pendulum of social justice needs to stop in the middle, not swing back and forth.

Americans view of race is itself racist. People are considered to be of a minority race if they have any visible traits of that race, even if they are of mostly of white genetics. Americans seem to believe that minority genes make you impure, which is incredibly racist. We need to just judge people on their own merits.

Keith
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 05:58 PM

Keith, when see the way minorities are treated in America, America is the least racist country in the world.
If I look at it from the stand point you are as a white American patriot, I would say just what you are saying, America is one of the most racist countries in the world.
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 06:02 PM

It IS legal for anyone not a felon to own a m-60. Trapper7 your proof common sense aint common.
Posted By: ToTheWoods

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by hippie
Hate to break the news to ya, but unless you've been in a cave and haven't seen what has been shoved thru congress and what will be, there is no middle ground between the two parties.

Like I said above, your either with us (gun owners, outdoors men and for America) or your not. No debating it.

The divide starts at the top, not the bottom. How can a person support what's going on with the one party right now?


Never said I wasn't appalled at what is going on. I carry a firearm every day and will do whatever I have to protect that right. Hunt and fish every day I can and stand up for those rights as well. I am for America and what our country was founded on. I also respect someone's right to be heard whether I agree or not. Belittling and character assassination only serves to drive two differing opinions further apart. Don't agree with a lot that James or others say and I am not innocent when it comes to piling on and getting louder to get my point across.
Posted By: hippie

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by ToTheWoods
Originally Posted by hippie
Hate to break the news to ya, but unless you've been in a cave and haven't seen what has been shoved thru congress and what will be, there is no middle ground between the two parties.

Like I said above, your either with us (gun owners, outdoors men and for America) or your not. No debating it.

The divide starts at the top, not the bottom. How can a person support what's going on with the one party right now?


Never said I wasn't appalled at what is going on. I carry a firearm every day and will do whatever I have to protect that right. Hunt and fish every day I can and stand up for those rights as well. I am for America and what our country was founded on. I also respect someone's right to be heard whether I agree or not. Belittling and character assassination only serves to drive two differing opinions further apart. Don't agree with a lot that James or others say and I am not innocent when it comes to piling on and getting louder to get my point across.


He's been awful loud the last 4 years, so don't try to silence us now that our way of life is in jeopardy. He'll reap what he sowed imo.
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by danny clifton
It IS legal for anyone not a felon to own a m-60. Trapper7 your proof common sense aint common.

Danny, have you ever fired an M60?
While legal to own, they are highly regulated by the feds, which is as it should be. If you still think anyone who wants an M60 should be able to, you are the one lacking common sense.
I'm with you in that I think every normal person has a right to own a firearm of their choosing.
Posted By: Blaine County

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by hippie
Hate to break the news to ya, but unless you've been in a cave and haven't seen what has been shoved thru congress and what will be, there is no middle ground between the two parties.

Like I said above, your either with us (gun owners, outdoors men and for America) or your not. No debating it.

The divide starts at the top, not the bottom. How can a person support what's going on with the one party right now?


Loyalty test--if you don't bow to the guy that Hippie (and the other loud cheerleaders on the site) has sworn allegiance to you are the enemy. You are the enemy just because you want someone better.

I am a gun owner, gun advocate and outdoorsman. I'll take the Pepsi challenge against anyone on this site on those issues and any other liberty issues.

We should be aligned on the goals--but may not be aligned on the path to get there. That's OK--that's America.
Posted By: Andrew Eastwood

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by Trapper7
But, it would be better to make it illegal for everyone not to own one because there is always that one kook out there. That's just common sense.

And here we have a lack of common sense. That same kook could drive his Hyundai through a crowd of people and kill hundreds. Should we make owning a car illegal? Making an object illegal is stupid, punishing folks harshly for using that object to do wrong is the common sense way to go. If Joe Shmo wants to own an M60, he should be able to own one. If Joe decides to kill a bunch of innocent folks with his M60, he should be swiftly hung in the town square. Same should happen if he drives his car through a crowd of innocent folks.
Posted By: Blaine County

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 06:16 PM

I am totally fine with buying M60s and just about anything off the shelf--by the way.
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by Andrew Eastwood
Originally Posted by Trapper7
But, it would be better to make it illegal for everyone not to own one because there is always that one kook out there. That's just common sense.

And here we have a lack of common sense. That same kook could drive his Hyundai through a crowd of people and kill hundreds. Should we make owning a car illegal? Making an object illegal is stupid, punishing folks harshly for using that object to do wrong is the common sense way to go. If Joe Shmo wants to own an M60, he should be able to own one. If Joe decides to kill a bunch of innocent folks with his M60, he should be swiftly hung in the town square. Same should happen if he drives his car through a crowd of innocent folks.

So, you think allowing any person who wants one be able to own an M60 should be able to? Let me ask you, have you ever fired an M60? I have many times while in the army. It makes a bump stock rifle seem like a single shot. If an unstable person got ownership of an M60, they would probably have it to kill. A person buying a Hyundai, is more than likely buying it for transportation, not driving it into a crowd to kill people.
Comparing an M60 to a Hyundai makes no sense at all considering that one is designed to kill people, the other to take someone from one place to another. Your comparison doesn't make much sense.
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Blaine County
I am totally fine with buying M60s and just about anything off the shelf--by the way.

And I'm sure you could be trusted not to kill anyone if you owned one. But, there are some people who should never be allowed to own one. That's the point I'm trying to make. There would need to be big time background checks and from what I've read, it sounds like ownership of an M60 is heavily regulated.
Posted By: hippie

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by Blaine County
Originally Posted by hippie
Hate to break the news to ya, but unless you've been in a cave and haven't seen what has been shoved thru congress and what will be, there is no middle ground between the two parties.

Like I said above, your either with us (gun owners, outdoors men and for America) or your not. No debating it.

The divide starts at the top, not the bottom. How can a person support what's going on with the one party right now?


Loyalty test--if you don't bow to the guy that Hippie (and the other loud cheerleaders on the site) has sworn allegiance to you are the enemy. You are the enemy just because you want someone better.

I am a gun owner, gun advocate and outdoorsman. I'll take the Pepsi challenge against anyone on this site on those issues and any other liberty issues.

We should be aligned on the goals--but may not be aligned on the path to get there. That's OK--that's America.


Pretty much how it went down 250 years ago. wink

BTW, you were trying to get us to bow to your TDS for 5 years also, loudly. Look in a mirror!
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 06:32 PM

Buying an M60 should be much harder than buying a .22 rifle.
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 06:37 PM

Let freedom ring
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 06:41 PM

Biden is flapping his lips and clucking his tongue. Talking about gun bans again. Amazing how many people believe that common sense gun control is not an oxymoron. Line right up with the Shummers, Pelosi,s Kamala's , Biden, Obama and Clintons of the world.
Posted By: Dirt

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 06:41 PM

I use to hump an M60. Really not that much fun. I'm not interested.
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 06:50 PM

[quote=Dirt]I use to hump an M60. Really not that much fun. I'm not interested.[/quot

Humping one, I never had to do that. They were heavy. I can imagine that would be tough. But, shooting an M60 and a 50 were great! That was firepower!
Posted By: Mike in A-town

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 06:55 PM

If someone wants an M60 they should be able to have one... No amount of blathering on about common sense gun control will convince me otherwise. I don't care what tool someone uses to kill people, dead is dead, and it isn't the fault of the inanimate object.

If they can't be trusted with a gun they belong in a cell, a rubber room, or a grave.

Quit letting bureaucrats do your thinking for you.

Mike
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Mike in A-town
If someone wants an M60 they should be able to have one... No amount of blathering on about common sense gun control will convince me otherwise. I don't care what tool someone uses to kill people, dead is dead, and it isn't the fault of the inanimate object.

If they can't be trusted with a gun they belong in a cell, a rubber room, or a grave.

Quit letting bureaucrats do your thinking for you.

Mike

I'm sure career criminals would agree with everything you've just said.
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 07:03 PM

Career criminals are the result of a failed justice system, not machine guns. Anybody to dangerous to be armed should not be let out of prison or the mental institution.
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 07:07 PM

Here in the U.S. people get less time for armed robbery than refusing to pay their taxes. Drug addicts get 20 year sentences and gang bangers do two or three if their victim lives. If your serious about making the country safer start advocating for thieves and thugs to get serious jail time and minor offenses to get minor time.
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 07:08 PM

I agree. But, they would still agree with everything he's said.
But, career criminals do get out. George Floyd did.
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by danny clifton
Here in the U.S. people get less time for armed robbery than refusing to pay their taxes. Drug addicts get 20 year sentences and gang bangers do two or three if their victim lives. If your serious about making the country safer start advocating for thieves and thugs to get serious jail time and minor offenses to get minor time.

There are many ways to make the country safer than what you mentioned. But, I agree with everything you've said. It's not going to get any better when you have people in authority talking about defunding and even dismantling police departments.
Posted By: Dirt

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 07:16 PM

"Racism has been—and unfortunately still is—such a prominent feature of so many human societies that it might be tempting to think of it as somehow "natural" or "innate."

Indeed, this is the conclusion that some evolutionary psychologists have come to. Evolutionary psychology tries to account for present-day human traits in terms of the survival benefit they might have had to our ancestors. If a trait has survived and become prevalent, then the genes associated with it must have been "selected" by evolution."
Posted By: Andrew Eastwood

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 07:22 PM

T7, there are many folks that go to machine gun shoots just to have fun and not kill people. Yes, I think anyone who wants to own one should. Fact is I can own one, but it has to be pre86 manufacture. That little thing about no new manufacture makes them fall into a price range above most folks ability.
To solve your issue with kooks we should be hanging kooks. If a person commits a violent crime so terrible as to loose their rights for life, they should loose their right to life. I don't agree with the whole loss of rights over any felony thing either. Many felony charges are non violent crimes. Now if we hung all violent criminals, they would no longer be a threat to others, and the practice of hanging would be a deterrent to others from committing a violent crime.
A month or so ago I talked to a fella fresh out of prison, he commented on how the 3 years he spent was like a vacation. He excitedly told me about work release and how he was hooking up with multiple ladies and having a great time. He said the worst part was the covid-lockdown as he couldn't go out and see said ladies, or indulge in the things said ladies provided to him. Now I am sure it couldn't have been that great of a time, but he sure wasn't saying how awful of a punishment he got. When a criminal no longer thinks of a punishment as punishment, the punishment is to soft to be a deterrent of crime. We should be punishing criminals, not taking away rights from everyone over the acts of criminals.

Forgot to address your second question. No I have not fired an M60, but I have been around some being fired and familiar with the rate of fire. I did take the family to shoot a few sub guns as the kids could handle the 9mm offering. I would absolutely love to have a SMG in 9mm or 22lr to play with on our range. It would be much easier to handle and I could afford to feed it more easily than an M60, but I sure wouldn't say that you should not have the right to own one if you wish. Provided you are not a violent criminal. grin
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 07:31 PM

Yep. Death penalty only makes sense if its a deterrent. Its only a deterrent if its public again. Hanging is brutal and ugly. A perfect deterrent. Armed robbery, murder, sexual assault. All crimes people need hung for. In public. Courthouse lawn county seat where the crime took place. Time to end prison overcrowding and curtail senseless violence at the same time.
Posted By: AntiGov

Re: Another view from the left - 03/23/21 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by danny clifton
Yep. Death penalty only makes sense if its a deterrent. Its only a deterrent if its public again. Hanging is brutal and ugly. A perfect deterrent. Armed robbery, murder, sexual assault. All crimes people need hung for. In public. Courthouse lawn county seat where the crime took place. Time to end prison overcrowding and curtail senseless violence at the same time.


X2
Posted By: Sprung & Rusty

Re: Another view from the left - 03/24/21 12:32 AM

Originally Posted by Trapper7
Originally Posted by danny clifton
It IS legal for anyone not a felon to own a m-60. Trapper7 your proof common sense aint common.

Danny, have you ever fired an M60?
While legal to own, they are highly regulated by the feds, which is as it should be. If you still think anyone who wants an M60 should be able to, you are the one lacking common sense.
I'm with you in that I think every normal person has a right to own a firearm of their choosing.

Are you related to Jimmy?
Posted By: upstateNY

Re: Another view from the left - 03/24/21 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by Blaine County
I am totally fine with buying M60s and just about anything off the shelf--by the way.

Another dust storm headin yer way.
Posted By: tomahawker

Re: Another view from the left - 03/24/21 12:39 AM

Got here late. This addresses the original post.

resentment—occurs when individual failure or insufficient status is blamed both on the system within which that failure or lowly status occurs and then, most particularly, on the people who have achieved success and high status within that system. The former, the system, is deemed by fiat to be unjust. The successful are deemed exploitative and corrupt, as they can be logically read as undeserving beneficiaries, as well as the voluntary, conscious, self-serving, and immoral supporters, if the system is unjust. Once this causal chain of thought has been accepted, all attacks on the successful can be construed as morally justified attempts at establishing justice—rather than, say, manifestations of envy and covetousness that might have traditionally been defined as shameful.

Jordan Peterson
Posted By: Yukon John

Re: Another view from the left - 03/24/21 12:51 AM

Why do you guys continue to fall for James's nonsense? When you see a post from this guy, scroll on, and let it die! All he wants is to get a rise out of you!
Posted By: Marty

Re: Another view from the left - 03/24/21 01:13 AM

Originally Posted by Yukon John
Why do you guys continue to fall for James's nonsense? When you see a post from this guy, scroll on, and let it die! All he wants is to get a rise out of you!


^this.
Posted By: trapdog1

Re: Another view from the left - 03/24/21 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by Yukon John
Why do you guys continue to fall for James's nonsense? When you see a post from this guy, scroll on, and let it die! All he wants is to get a rise out of you!


Ancient Chinese Secret.
Posted By: uglyduck

Re: Another view from the left - 03/24/21 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by Yukon John
Why do you guys continue to fall for James's nonsense? When you see a post from this guy, scroll on, and let it die! All he wants is to get a rise out of you!

2X the Tick is parasite.
Posted By: bucksnbears

Re: Another view from the left - 03/24/21 01:52 AM

James.
QUIT TRYING TO OUT SMART US!!!.
This aint a court of law.
This is COMMON SENSE! You aint gonna win.
Your " click_baits" are getting old wink

That being said, I believe most of us on this forum would get along well with you if we met ,, until your opinions (left leaning) notions came out.
You CAN'T HELP nor hide it.
Posted By: James

Re: Another view from the left - 03/24/21 02:00 AM

I'm not trying to outsmart anyone, Bucks. I just thought I'd found something we could agree on.

I admit, the debate that's spun off is interesting.

Jim
Posted By: Mike in A-town

Re: Another view from the left - 03/24/21 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by Trapper7
Originally Posted by Mike in A-town
If someone wants an M60 they should be able to have one... No amount of blathering on about common sense gun control will convince me otherwise. I don't care what tool someone uses to kill people, dead is dead, and it isn't the fault of the inanimate object.

If they can't be trusted with a gun they belong in a cell, a rubber room, or a grave.

Quit letting bureaucrats do your thinking for you.

Mike

I'm sure career criminals would agree with everything you've just said.


Fun fact: Criminals don't obey laws. Remember the North Hollywood bank robbery and shootout? Those guys illegally modified semiautos to full auto. Mexico has some of the strictest gun laws on the planet and the cartels still get full auto weapons all the time.

Gun laws don't make you safer.

Mike
Posted By: Donnie H

Re: Another view from the left - 03/24/21 02:04 AM

Well...bless your heart...
Posted By: James

Re: Another view from the left - 03/24/21 05:29 AM

As far as the M-60 debate goes, I have to side with Danny. If you can pass a background check, you should be able to own an M-60.

Sounds like it would be a kick to touch one off.

Jim
Posted By: Dirty D

Re: Another view from the left - 03/24/21 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by Trapper7


True, but one is much worse than the other.


yes, the liberal is worse, he sits silently on his hands while the leftist works his evil.
If he doesn't speak out against the evil he is enabling it.

Liberals claim to be for free speech yet are silent when the leftist cancel culture silences anyone who disagrees with them. A true liberal would stand up and call out the leftist but they don't.
Posted By: FairbanksLS

Re: Another view from the left - 03/24/21 10:32 AM

Buyers remorse James????? The 2A may be the most important issue to most conservatives but it is not the only important issue. In the current political environment there is more that separates than unites. Someone can't walk simultaneously on both sides of the street.
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Another view from the left - 03/24/21 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by James
As far as the M-60 debate goes, I have to side with Danny. If you can pass a background check, you should be able to own an M-60.

Sounds like it would be a kick to touch one off.

Jim

I agree with you too. But, it would be a much stiffer background check than buying a 30-06 rifle. You would have to jump through some hoops.
I teach firearms safety. We have show and tell for the students which involves bringing some of our personal firearms. One of our instructors has a 45 Cal Thompson. He said it was much tougher to qualify owning it than if you bought a .22 rifle. Took about 6 months before he passed the backgound checks.
Posted By: upstateNY

Re: Another view from the left - 03/24/21 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by James
I'm not trying to outsmart anyone,

Jim

Good thing HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA JIMMY.Hows OBIDEN working out for ya? You writing a lot of checks to gun rights advocates LIKE YOU PROMISED. NOT,,,, JIMMY
Posted By: Law Dog

Re: Another view from the left - 03/24/21 08:13 PM

Liberals like to ask a lot of questions but seldom will answer one it’s all a big cat and mouse game. It’s like a maze that you work but there’s not any cheese at the end of it. It’s a trick don’t play the game.
Posted By: Dirt

Re: Another view from the left - 03/24/21 08:23 PM

Jim, did you ever ask your wife why the Japanese are so racist?
Posted By: Boco

Re: Another view from the left - 03/24/21 08:30 PM

I dont think Japanese is a race.
They are part of the mongoloid race which includes chinamen and Aboriginal North Americans,among others.
I know a lot of Chinese dont like Japanese,same with Koreans due to atrocities committed by the Japanese during the second world war.
Posted By: Posco

Re: Another view from the left - 03/24/21 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Dirt
Jim, did you ever ask your wife why the Japanese are so racist?

What makes you think they are, their immigration policies?
Posted By: Dirt

Re: Another view from the left - 03/24/21 08:52 PM

"The idea of ethnic purity still persists in Korea and Japan. While living in Korea, I read news articles about incentives the government was introducing so that Korean women would be more likely to marry and have children. There was widespread concern that too many Korean men were marrying women from other Asian countries, particularly Southeast Asia, and that there weren’t enough “pure” Korean children being born in the country anymore.

I had a student while teaching in Korea, who told me that she was “mixed-race.” Her mother was from China. While most westerners wouldn’t consider Korean and Chinese different races (any more than they would consider French and German different races), there is strong ethnic discrimination against children with non-Korean family, even if they don’t look distinctly different from their peers."

Maybe Boco can send them a memo about being all mongoloids. Me, I'm Gaijin and know it.
Posted By: Feedinggrounds

Re: Another view from the left - 03/24/21 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by James
As far as the M-60 debate goes, I have to side with Danny. If you can pass a background check, you should be able to own an M-60.

Sounds like it would be a kick to touch one off.

Jim

Imagine buying bullets for reloading from Midway for that !! Might stroke you out. And yeah I think your as Libby as they come. So far left you can see the taillights of right.
Posted By: Law Dog

Re: Another view from the left - 03/24/21 11:47 PM

The last I seen on Sub-guns a M 60 class III was over $20,000
Posted By: 52Carl

Re: Another view from the left - 03/25/21 03:17 AM

Originally Posted by James
"I couldn’t tell you the last time i even saw an Asian, maybe that’s because i don’t frequent the massage parlors." - Keystone.

What a jackarse.

Jim

May be, but in the case of these murders, not far fetched.
Personally, I believe that the democrats missed the mark. It would be more accurately described as a hate crime against folks like the current VP, given her distasteful mode of climbing the political ladder (which is impressive. Exactly how does one actually climb a ladder while on ones back?).
Posted By: James

Re: Another view from the left - 03/25/21 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by Dirt
Jim, did you ever ask your wife why the Japanese are so racist?


Sure did. The conversation went something like this:

ME: Why are the Japanese so racist?

SHE: Japanese aren't racist.

ME: Then how come in Japan some landlords wouldn't rent to me? And why did a couple of restaurants refuse to serve me?

SHE: That's not racism. They did it because you're not Japanese.

Well, you figure it out, Dirt. I can't.

The Japanese have anti-discrimination laws, but they're rarely enforced. Things have probably changed since I lived there decades ago. I haven't experienced any discrimination in the half dozen visits I've made to Japan since I lived there.

Jim
Posted By: James

Re: Another view from the left - 03/25/21 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Boco
I dont think Japanese is a race.
They are part of the mongoloid race which includes chinamen and Aboriginal North Americans,among others.
I know a lot of Chinese dont like Japanese,same with Koreans due to atrocities committed by the Japanese during the second world war.


Most of the East Asians, the Japanese, Koreans, and Han Chinese, have a tendency to think they're racially superior--at least superior to other Asians. Which makes them not much different than most other races and ethnicities.

Jim
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Another view from the left - 03/25/21 10:27 AM

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Which makes them not much different than most other races and ethnicities


I don't see that changing, ever. Anyplace.

My cousin married a Sioux from MT. His mom and brother were calling him apple. Took me awhile to figure that one out.

Equal under the law is an impossible goal but a goal we should strive for. That is the best we can do IMO.

This idea that whites need punished for the transgressions of their ancestors makes no more sense than punishing modern Japanese for the the Bataan death march.

Maybe Greenlander's should be paying reparations to England?
Posted By: 330-Trapper

Re: Another view from the left - 03/25/21 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Blaine County
Everyone thinks their tribe is best--see the loyalty tests being administered above.

Y'all should join me in the libertarian wing of the Republican Party--it's great over here, we get to actually think for ourselves.

Sure....ok

"Their tribe".. then you say just that?
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Another view from the left - 03/25/21 01:34 PM

Once someone aligns with a group like NRA or the Republican party, its more common than not for the tribal member to support the group no matter what. Even when the group departs from the groups stated values. Tribal loyalty is often beyond understanding.
Posted By: Law Dog

Re: Another view from the left - 03/25/21 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
Originally Posted by Blaine County
Everyone thinks their tribe is best--see the loyalty tests being administered above.

Y'all should join me in the libertarian wing of the Republican Party--it's great over here, we get to actually think for ourselves.

Sure....ok

"Their tribe".. then you say just that?



He sounds like a Cali transplant whenever I read his gibberish. LOL Just a feeling I get.
Posted By: Dirt

Re: Another view from the left - 03/25/21 02:12 PM

I wonder if many other countries have the U.S. type government racial preference programs for minorities in their countries? You know, living in the most racist country on earth, you would think the rest of the world have these non- racist policies too. These policies that promote racial unity by treating groups differently. smile
Posted By: Boco

Re: Another view from the left - 03/25/21 02:16 PM

In Africa they eat albinos.
Posted By: Law Dog

Re: Another view from the left - 03/25/21 02:17 PM

For being a racist Country I doubt many others have done as much for Africa then the US has over the years.
Posted By: Dirt

Re: Another view from the left - 03/25/21 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Boco
In Africa they eat albinos.


"Given the plight of most minority cultures today in resisting assimilation into the vortex of stronger, dominant cultures. French-speaking Quebecers - the Québecois as they are known - represent something of a success story. IN the last three decades, driven by a powerful and dynamic ethnonationalist pride, they have managed to tackle the stigma of colonial conquest and overturn more than two centuries of exclusion from Canada's major networks of social and economic development; they have come out of almost total political and institutional marginalization and succeeded in tending off near cultural asphyxiation. Although still unsuccessful in establishing themselves as a sovereign nation-state - largely because many among that it is the proper course of action to satisfy their national aspirations - they now exercise quasi - absolute control over a strong provincial state with extensive legal, administrative, and policymaking jurisdiction. The Quebec state has come to occupy a highlu significant place in the political culture of Quebec. It plays a central role in symbolizing and maintaining the cohesiveness of the nation québécoise against what Quebec nationalists perceive as the steamrolling and centralistic dispositions of the English-Canadian state. Quebec, many would argue, has become a virtual state within the state."
Posted By: Boco

Re: Another view from the left - 03/25/21 02:52 PM

They never got over getting whipped by the English on the plains of Abraham.
Posted By: rvsask

Re: Another view from the left - 03/25/21 06:43 PM

In reality France should have colonized Canada ahead of the English. If they were not too busy dealing with decades and decades of internal strife due to Protestants and Catholics killing each other, who knows what would have happened. History is interesting stuff.
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Another view from the left - 03/25/21 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Boco
I dont think Japanese is a race.
They are part of the mongoloid race which includes chinamen and Aboriginal North Americans,among others.
I know a lot of Chinese dont like Japanese,same with Koreans due to atrocities committed by the Japanese during the second world war.

According to local Chinese restaurant in our area, none them speak the same language. Koreans speak Korean, Chinese speak Chinese, etc.
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Another view from the left - 03/25/21 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by danny clifton
Quote
Which makes them not much different than most other races and ethnicities


I don't see that changing, ever. Anyplace.

My cousin married a Sioux from MT. His mom and brother were calling him apple. Took me awhile to figure that one out.

Equal under the law is an impossible goal but a goal we should strive for. That is the best we can do IMO.

This idea that whites need punished for the transgressions of their ancestors makes no more sense than punishing modern Japanese for the the Bataan death march.

Maybe Greenlander's should be paying reparations to England?

I believe all lives matter. Whites, the majority, better wake up and open their eyes to the direction this country is taking. Biden has said eventually European Americans will become the minority. He said that's why we have to respect our neighbors and bring more immigrants into this country. It's who we are. If that ever happens the new majority will never be as accommodating or cordial as we are to them.

BLM is rioting once again in Rochester, NY. What I mean about being accommodating is, the city is just standing by doing nothing and letting them. BLM held 100 people hostage in a store while the police stood by. BLM is a domestic terrorist organization that has been allowed to run rampant.
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Another view from the left - 03/26/21 08:08 AM

BLM protesters held 100 people hostage? Hard to imagine that could happen and friends and family just stand by.
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