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Posted By: badger

Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 12:53 AM

So I see the Keystone Pipeline is scrapped. The Dakota access line was installed in the same section as my property and you can not tell there was any disturbance from the construction anywhere on the line. Feel bad for the guys and companies counting on work.
Posted By: trapdog1

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 12:55 AM

Thank joe and the dems.
Posted By: Leftlane

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 12:59 AM

After shutting this down I heard we sent money overseas so our competitors could develop infrastructure. Thanks Joe
Posted By: Sprung & Rusty

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 01:09 AM

Originally Posted by trapdog1
Thank joe and the dems.

Originally Posted by Leftlane
After shutting this down I heard we sent money overseas so our competitors could develop infrastructure. Thanks Joe

Thank the people that voted for him. A large part of this country is to blame.
Posted By: trapdog1

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 01:11 AM

Including plenty of folks that didn't know they voted for him. grin
Posted By: riverratdm

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 01:19 AM

Guess folks wanted to pay more for oil from overseas. He made it pretty clear what he was going to do durring the election if you looked at their platforms.
Posted By: Fisher Man

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 01:33 AM

Biden is an idiot.
Posted By: Foxpaw

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by riverratdm
Guess folks wanted to pay more for oil from overseas. He made it pretty clear what he was going to do durring the election if you looked at their platforms.


They need the money to finance their terrorism against us.
Posted By: AJE

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 04:39 AM

I work for a pipeline company. You are correct badger.
Posted By: Boco

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 04:44 AM

Albertans will lose 1.3 billion dollars already put into the project.
This is like the USA declaring war on Alberta.
Posted By: AJE

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 04:49 AM

I think what Biden did to Canada was rude.
Posted By: SE.Current

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 05:02 AM

Alberta would get more allies if they just declare it on the Biden administration and leave the real USA out of it.
Posted By: martentrapper

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 05:05 AM

Plenty of US folks want that Canadian border open. Justin could try trading the border opening for getting the pipeline going.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 11:20 AM

It points to a shifting of who does what, where, and how. The oil will flow but the questions are always from whom and by whom. Those in governmental power have more authority to move assets. Like oil.

I remember when we lived in Nebraska and Prez. Obama was "railing" against the coal industry in the eastern USA. Shut it down! Shut it down! Meanwhile, the mines in WY cranked up and on a rail system owned and operated by big time democrat funder W. Buffett in America's heartland, no journalist reported that coal rail car traffic increased hand over fist. Get that coal moving! Get that coal moving!
See how it works. Shift the asset production if you have the say so.

Tiss the way freedom rings here in America at a high level.
Oil will still flow, but it'll grease different pockets is all.

Blessings,
Mark
Posted By: Northof50

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 11:41 AM

Mark you have pointed out one important thing.
What Alberta oil is moving is by rail = more money to WB
one of my clients said every tanker is costing him a loss revenue of 40,000$ and those trains are 200 cars long
Nebraska stopped the pipeline going through or it would have been done.
Posted By: Hunter 1

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 12:39 PM

Alberta is struggling right now and this is just another hit they could not afford...We have not been able to strike a balance on anything. I understand that some are promoting green energy but at the end of the day people are still buying pick up trucks and SUVs and fuel has to come from somewhere. I wish people could accept this fact. Shutting this project down has a serious impact on each side of the border. No doubt
Posted By: rvsask

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by martentrapper
Plenty of US folks want that Canadian border open. Justin could try trading the border opening for getting the pipeline going.


That will be soon..............
If you’re vaccinated.
Posted By: Law Dog

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 01:39 PM

Joe’s working overtime to help out Russia and China to get ahead now he has no time to worry about North America over the next 4 years.
Posted By: wytex

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 03:53 PM

I guess none of you live where it was going to cross? Right across one of the biggest aquifer in American for Canadian tar sands, no thank you.
I know many folks who were against it, in Nebraska.
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Leftlane
After shutting this down I heard we sent money overseas so our competitors could develop infrastructure. Thanks Joe

I heard the same thing and that some of it included pipeline money.
Posted By: Slick Pan

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 04:15 PM

The thing is most people on hear have no idea about the pipeline or it's use . All you have to do is read their comments. The oil was of the poorest quality and it was to be shipped to the usa then exported. There was very little in this for the US and all for Canada and big corporations.
Posted By: hippie

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Slick Pan
The thing is most people on hear have no idea about the pipeline or it's use . All you have to do is read their comments. The oil was of the poorest quality and it was to be shipped to the usa then exported. There was very little in this for the US and all for Canada and big corporations.


If you don't consider the taxes after its done that rural counties get a benefit, and the boom while its being built a benefit I guess your statement could be correct.
Posted By: Kansas Cat

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 04:29 PM

Wytex, please explain the mechanism by which a pipeline 10 feet below ground level can cause damage to an aquifer buried beneath hundreds of feet of sediments.
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Slick Pan
The thing is most people on hear have no idea about the pipeline or it's use . All you have to do is read their comments. The oil was of the poorest quality and it was to be shipped to the usa then exported. There was very little in this for the US and all for Canada and big corporations.

Not completely accurate.
It would help keep oil prices down if it was exported. It added more oil to the market overall forcing the oil cartels to keep the price for a barrel of oil down. That's why prices at the pump are starting to increase and will continue to do so.

The main stream media won't admit that this is the reason gas prices are rising. Instead, they use lame excuses like lower employment practices due to the pandemic and the pipeline ransomware episode. They do their best to cover for Biden.
Posted By: hippie

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 04:32 PM

Here ya go Slickpan, I bet these sparsely populated counties think it a benefit.

https://taxfoundation.org/taxplainer-state-and-local-tax-impact-keystone-pipeline
Posted By: Kansas Cat

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 04:37 PM

Oil is fungible. Crude oil produced and made available anywhere benefits consumers everywhere. Basic economics need to be taught to everyone. Some people on this thread make about as much sense as pipeline protesters showing up in automobiles, wearing clothing made from synthetic fibers and hanging out in nylon tents.
Posted By: hippie

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 04:39 PM

Like he said....all ya have to do is read their posts. smile
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Kansas Cat
Oil is fungible. Crude oil produced and made available anywhere benefits consumers everywhere. Basic economics need to be taught to everyone. Some people on this thread make about as much sense as pipeline protesters showing up in automobiles, wearing clothing made from synthetic fibers and hanging out in nylon tents.

Oil economics is like fur economics. When there was a shortage of fur, the prices were really hot. But, when there was a glut of fur on the market, prices were in the toilet.
Posted By: Slick Pan

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 05:15 PM

Canada should figure out how to export their own oil thru their own country. Look what they do to their lumber by adding subsidies to benefit them selves when exporting it to the US. They can keep their socialist country and border closed forever as far as I am concerned.
Posted By: Kansas Cat

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 05:26 PM

You are probably right. It makes a lot more sense to build a pipeline through the Canadian Rockies to the west coast of Canada and construct an export terminal than it does to bring a pipeline to the central plains and connect to an area that has a plethora of existing pipelines and existing export infrastructure in Houston. What was I thinking?
Posted By: hippie

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by Slick Pan
Canada should figure out how to export their own oil thru their own country. Look what they do to their lumber by adding subsidies to benefit them selves when exporting it to the US. They can keep their socialist country and border closed forever as far as I am concerned.


Pretty hard for us (USA) to refine or sell if it doesn't go to the Gulf.

Yep, we'd profit from that also.
Posted By: Blaine County

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Kansas Cat
Wytex, please explain the mechanism by which a pipeline 10 feet below ground level can cause damage to an aquifer buried beneath hundreds of feet of sediments.


I defend pollution cases. You are generally right. Shallow groundwater and soil can definitely be impacted by a release but it would be unusual for the aquifer to be impacted.
Posted By: Posco

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by Blaine County
I defend pollution cases. You are generally right. Shallow groundwater and soil can definitely be impacted by a release but it would be unusual for the aquifer to be impacted.

I worked for a small oil company just before I moved to northern Maine. The owners had an autistic son who rode shotgun with me just to occupy his time. Over time, I began to let him do more and more hands on maintenance.

We were doing a routine tune-up on a heating system and needed to bleed the oil line to fire the system for a combustion test. Turns out the tank was out of oil. Couldn't bleed it. I gathered up my tools but couldn't find my 3/8ths wrench. We left without it. I relayed the empty tank info to the homeowner who then called for an oil delivery. A couple of days later the office got a call from them saying they had a strong oil odor coming from their basement. The 3/8ths wrench I couldn't locate was on the bleeder nipple in the open position where my young companion had left it.

I called the office and told them to alert the DEP. As luck would have it, it was a dirt floor 50 gallons of heating oil had seeped into. Thousands and thousands of dollars in remediation for a fifty gallon spill. It was my fault for placing too much faith in the young fellow.
Posted By: GARY M.

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 09:05 PM

Joe a idiot, also half of this country is.
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 09:41 PM

The Ogallala aquifer under a big part of NE is less than 30 feet under ground
Posted By: Steven 49er

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by wytex
I guess none of you live where it was going to cross? Right across one of the biggest aquifer in American for Canadian tar sands, no thank you.
I know many folks who were against it, in Nebraska.


Line 3 is a half mile behind my house. I say build more.


Originally Posted by Slick Pan
The thing is most people on hear have no idea about the pipeline or it's use . All you have to do is read their comments. The oil was of the poorest quality and it was to be shipped to the usa then exported. There was very little in this for the US and all for Canada and big corporations.


I think there are many people on this forum who have a very good idea about pipelines, their uses, where the oil comes from, where it goes, the amount of jobs it creates short term and long term, the amount of taxes those pipelines pay and who is profiting from the being built or not built.

If the Canadian lumber market is truly subsidized I wouldn't say it's any more than the US grain markets.
Posted By: trapdog1

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by Blaine County
Originally Posted by Kansas Cat
Wytex, please explain the mechanism by which a pipeline 10 feet below ground level can cause damage to an aquifer buried beneath hundreds of feet of sediments.


I defend pollution cases. You are generally right. Shallow groundwater and soil can definitely be impacted by a release but it would be unusual for the aquifer to be impacted.


I do environmental remediation for a living. BC is correct in that the aquifer itself is in little danger of being impacted by a pipeline spill. Ag chemicals are a bigger threat.
Posted By: rvsask

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/10/21 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by Slick Pan
Canada should figure out how to export their own oil thru their own country. Look what they do to their lumber by adding subsidies to benefit them selves when exporting it to the US. They can keep their socialist country and border closed forever as far as I am concerned.

Slick, even world trade decided Canada doesn’t subsidize lumber. We just actually cut from public land making it much cheaper for lumber companies to harvest. It’s a perk to having a sea of forest that is publicly owned. Because the US calls it a subsidy doesn’t make it one, it’s a perk of having a sea of forest.

But yes , Canada needs to find a way to move it’s oil through its own country. Unfortunately, for you, that’d hurt, for us, it’d help. It needs done.
Posted By: Boco

Re: Keystone Pipline - 06/11/21 01:32 AM

Originally Posted by Slick Pan
Canada should figure out how to export their own oil thru their own country. Look what they do to their lumber by adding subsidies to benefit them selves when exporting it to the US. They can keep their socialist country and border closed forever as far as I am concerned.


So Trump was an ejit for approving keystone-got ya.
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