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Employers :Finding workers

Posted By: Wolfdog91

Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 12:38 AM

For those employers on here I'm just curious, how has it been finding workers the last year or so ? Seems about every business owner I've talked to lately has been pulling their hair out trying to find worker's
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 12:53 AM

Its the same here. Especially jobs that are physically demanding. Concrete and asphalt for example.
Posted By: run

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 01:00 AM

Nice thread, wolfdog. Maybe we can help some one find the job they have dreamed of having.
Posted By: white marlin

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 01:07 AM

CoonMan's looking for work...
Posted By: SundanceMtnMan

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 01:12 AM

Every business in town is looking for workers but the government keeps giving away money so the unemployed don't have to work.
Posted By: Donnersurvivor

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 01:21 AM

Pay 25+ an hour and it's not been a big issue so far.
Posted By: AntiGov

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by SundanceMtnMan
Every business in town is looking for workers but the government keeps giving away money so the unemployed don't have to work.



X2
Posted By: cotton

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 01:26 AM

ya can't fall down in the town close to me without hitting a help wanted sign
Posted By: H2ORat

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Pay 25+ an hour and it's not been a big issue so far.

you must have a cushy job for 25+ pushing buttons or something. almost no employer around here can get workers at any price. Even our farmers are paying hiring bonuses and 18-20. too much couch money still lying around.
Posted By: ebsurveyor

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 01:34 AM

Tomorrow I start my 56th year of having a job. For the past 55 years I've been hearing that no employees are available (in my field as a land surveyor). Funny thing is, if an employer offers the correct amount of compensation the vacant jobs will fill quick. The US government has lowered the value of the dollar. Pay what it takes and they will fill the jobs.
Posted By: AntiGov

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 01:40 AM

In general those who wanna work are working and for the most part have a good work ethic


The DB's sitting on the couch , eating chips , aren't even worth considering

I could easily secure enough work to employ 20 - 30 guys but finding workers is nearly impossible

I run 8-10 solid guys currently


The government meets most people's needs and any effort by these DB's is half a z , temporary , and just for some spending money
Posted By: martyd

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 01:46 AM

I am a Production Manager and we have 95 job openings right now. Welders , Machineist , Warehouse , Assemblers. Cannot not even get people to keep their interview appointment. This is even when Iowa Governor
Cut off the $300.00 COVID pay last week. People do not want to work. COVID has changed the mind set of people that the government will give them money to stay home and let all the people work and pay taxes so they don’t have to work. As my grandfather said once. To many people riding in the wagon and not enough people pulling the wagon ! Marty
Posted By: Trap Setter

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 01:50 AM

We start at 25 for drivers, home every night, $6000 sign on bonus, $1000 retention bonus yearly, paid vacation and sick leave and full benefits at 30 days. Still struggle to get enough applicants to keep the wheels rolling.

Start at 16 for warehouse $1000 sign on bonus, $500 yearly retention bonus and same vacation, sick leave and benefits as drivers and still have more temps than our employees.

I've heard the arguments that pay enough and lazy people will came to work. I totally disagree a lazy person who is paid very little for doing nothing will continue doing nothing as long as they can because they are lazy. A good worker will strive for more in the future and have a backup plan to make improvements in their lives. Unfortunately the government sees the workers as cows to be milked till they are dry and the lazy people as the victims of an unknown or unnamed victomizer. But as long as the lazy stay poor and stay convinced its not their fault they are poor the government can continue to steal from the middle and give to the rich who run the programs for the poor. Who believe the government is their only option at survival confused

Sorry went a bit off the rails there. I don't blame any one party but the whole mess. We are near the end of this once great republic I am afraid.
Posted By: Boco

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 02:08 AM

Too many lazy lumps.
Even on here you see guys post about not trapping because they cant get big money for fur.Better to lay around the shack til the mail train comes back.
Posted By: Flint Lock

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 02:11 AM

Been like this for years in my line of work. I don't know what's worse, the lack of skilled tradesmen or new college grads with no work ethic.
Posted By: Wanna Be

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 02:15 AM

I wouldn’t have minded being one of those lazy lumps, lol. Other than actually getting Covid and the 14 day mandatory paid time off, I haven’t missed a day since this mess started.
I have noticed is that our retention rate on new hires is a lot higher than it was prior to Covid, lol. Most of the time new hires are younger and don’t realize what opportunities they have and generally find something to get fired over or just quit. These new guys are toeing the line.
Posted By: Slick Pan

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 02:18 AM

Some of the lack of workers are the lack of people in general to do the job.Over the years service jobs and hard labor have changed from white workers to immigrants illegal or not. Look back to the 1800's building railroad, mining and other labor intensive jobs. Our country did not have enough people so we imported Chinese and lots of immigrants from other countries. Covid visas have been restricted. Not sure how that is now. The baby boomer generation is retiring taking that age group out of the work force. Older retired workers would not work due to the fear of dying from covid and lots of them were in the service industry. Our families are smaller now that any time in previous history. Not as many people entering the work force. There are many reasons for the lack of workers including some I am sure that are living off the government.
Posted By: trappingthomas

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 02:49 AM

Originally Posted by Trap Setter
We start at 25 for drivers, home every night, $6000 sign on bonus, $1000 retention bonus yearly, paid vacation and sick leave and full benefits at 30 days. Still struggle to get enough applicants to keep the wheels rolling.

Start at 16 for warehouse $1000 sign on bonus, $500 yearly retention bonus and same vacation, sick leave and benefits as drivers and still have more temps than our employees.

I've heard the arguments that pay enough and lazy people will came to work. I totally disagree a lazy person who is paid very little for doing nothing will continue doing nothing as long as they can because they are lazy. A good worker will strive for more in the future and have a backup plan to make improvements in their lives. Unfortunately the government sees the workers as cows to be milked till they are dry and the lazy people as the victims of an unknown or unnamed victomizer. But as long as the lazy stay poor and stay convinced its not their fault they are poor the government can continue to steal from the middle and give to the rich who run the programs for the poor. Who believe the government is their only option at survival confused

Sorry went a bit off the rails there. I don't blame any one party but the whole mess. We are near the end of this once great republic I am afraid.

Yes. I am starting to see better success seeking the employed versus wasting time with the unemployed. A worker will be without work not long. Even in bad times. Fact!

I have historical data. Me!
Posted By: beartooth trapr

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 03:04 AM

Good jobs to be had around Billings Mt. , Sysco food services is offering $10,000.00 sign on bonus.
Class A CDL and clean driving record.

Same thing in Medical field some pretty sweet sign bonuses and relocation allowance.
Posted By: yukonjeff

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 04:13 AM

These are the same companies that require drug test to see if you smoked a joint last month rendering the person unemployable. That's too bad.

No worries. We are track for 2 million illegals' to cross the border this year to replace you all.
Posted By: AJE

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 04:32 AM

Coonman goes thru a temp agency. I don't hear much about temp agencies lately.
Posted By: Law Dog

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 04:35 AM

Many people just want to get paid some are willing to do the minimal if needed but overtime forget it.
Posted By: AJE

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 04:38 AM

The local paper must be making a killing on all the Help Wanted ads
Posted By: martentrapper

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 04:44 AM

I want to be a lazy lump so I can go out setting and checking traps all season.
Posted By: nramemb

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 06:28 AM

Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Pay 25+ an hour and it's not been a big issue so far.


not true some of the guys in my union are not answering the phone so they don't have to go to work.

draw 500 + a week off unemployment plus the 300 a week and you draw a pretty good check
Posted By: Badger23

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by Trap Setter
We start at 25 for drivers, home every night, $6000 sign on bonus, $1000 retention bonus yearly, paid vacation and sick leave and full benefits at 30 days. Still struggle to get enough applicants to keep the wheels rolling.

Start at 16 for warehouse $1000 sign on bonus, $500 yearly retention bonus and same vacation, sick leave and benefits as drivers and still have more temps than our employees.

I've heard the arguments that pay enough and lazy people will came to work. I totally disagree a lazy person who is paid very little for doing nothing will continue doing nothing as long as they can because they are lazy. A good worker will strive for more in the future and have a backup plan to make improvements in their lives. Unfortunately the government sees the workers as cows to be milked till they are dry and the lazy people as the victims of an unknown or unnamed victomizer. But as long as the lazy stay poor and stay convinced its not their fault they are poor the government can continue to steal from the middle and give to the rich who run the programs for the poor. Who believe the government is their only option at survival confused

Sorry went a bit off the rails there. I don't blame any one party but the whole mess. We are near the end of this once great republic I am afraid.


Trap Setter what company are you at and do they train? I take it that's Eau Claire local only. I'm thinking food service or something along those lines. Pm me if you don't want to post where you work. I'm way south of you so not in the EC area. I'm in a very rural area an hour south of La Crosse.
Posted By: Feedinggrounds

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 08:43 AM

I have between 12 to 14 men at my post mill. 1/3 are mid 50's guys that have been mill workers all their lives, live close, and live simple. 1/3 Are 20 something young bucks that come and go, they are on green chain mostly. 1/3 mid 30's men not long out of jail for child support. Every man gets 10 to 12 hours overtime every week. Starting pay $11.00, .50 cent raise at 30 days another .50 cents at 60 days. After 60 days, every 2 months I look through my daily notes and bump wages where deserved and earned. I am on a busy state road with a BIG HELP wanted sign out all summer. The sign has become a local landmark, conversation piece. Lol I hire 10 to get maybe 2 that last the season.
Posted By: Posco

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by ebsurveyor
Tomorrow I start my 56th year of having a job. For the past 55 years I've been hearing that no employees are available (in my field as a land surveyor). Funny thing is, if an employer offers the correct amount of compensation the vacant jobs will fill quick. The US government has lowered the value of the dollar. Pay what it takes and they will fill the jobs.

The company I work for can't hire or retain good employees. The pay isn't bad for the area but it isn't enough to offset the schedule and monotony of the job. I keep telling them it ain't rocket science to figure out why they're understaffed but they seem to be mystified by it.
Posted By: Sprung & Rusty

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by Feedinggrounds
I have between 12 to 14 men at my post mill. 1/3 are mid 50's guys that have been mill workers all their lives, live close, and live simple. 1/3 Are 20 something young bucks that come and go, they are on green chain mostly. 1/3 mid 30's men not long out of jail for child support. Every man gets 10 to 12 hours overtime every week. Starting pay $11.00, .50 cent raise at 30 days another .50 cents at 60 days. After 60 days, every 2 months I look through my daily notes and bump wages where deserved and earned. I am on a busy state road with a BIG HELP wanted sign out all summer. The sign has become a local landmark, conversation piece. Lol I hire 10 to get maybe 2 that last the season.

In this economy with jobs everywhere, I wouldn't get out of bed for 11 bucks an hour.
Posted By: AJE

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 09:09 AM

~1/2 the battle is finding honest employees.
Posted By: HobbieTrapper

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Pay 25+ an hour and it's not been a big issue so far.


At the very least it will raise the price of goods so the demand will dwindle to the point the business won’t need help. lol
Posted By: HobbieTrapper

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 10:07 AM

lol

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Posted By: stinkypete

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 10:48 AM

It is the mindset that is out there now. Our Government is the enabler. We pay tax’s to enable those to do as little as possible I have employees in there 20s with children. As long as the wife keeps her wages low. They get free health care. Food stamps. Wick etc... Now with them getting there child care tax credit early. You won’t get them back to work. This in my opinion is not sustainable. You can’t have more riding the wagon then pulling the wagon.
Posted By: Trapper Dahlgren

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 10:55 AM

daughter got hired a local paper mill , starting wage was 28+ , 3 people quit in 3 weeks , did not like the work to hot , shift work , mad, my daughter is getting 20 plus hours of overtime a week , because they can't get workers, good benefits there also ,
Posted By: Sprung & Rusty

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by stinkypete
It is the mindset that is out there now. Our Government is the enabler. We pay tax’s to enable those to do as little as possible I have employees in there 20s with children. As long as the wife keeps her wages low. They get free health care. Food stamps. Wick etc... Now with them getting there child care tax credit early. You won’t get them back to work. This in my opinion is not sustainable. You can’t have more riding the wagon then pulling the wagon.

That's the end game. Been in the works for a long time now. In the end we'll have socialism and our freedom lost. Many don't see it. Got the blinders on or just no one to teach them.
Posted By: Law Dog

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 12:24 PM

A lot of places run on a handful of good employees that are willing to do most of the works and the rest are willing to let them do that work until the hard workers burn out.

Can’t tell you how many people think they deserve more because they got away with doing less for so many years and want more pay and less hours. Many employees focus on time off VS work ethics and think sick time is to be budgeted rather then a benefit for a rainy day. LOL
Posted By: Posco

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Law Dog
A lot of places run on a handful of good employees that are willing to do most of the works and the rest are willing to let them do that work until the hard workers burn out.

I keep my eye on the new guys and see how much time and what kind of effort they put forward in trying to spend time in the office. Most of them will show you right off if they came to work or they want to fast track to being another boss. I have no use for the type that tries to weasel their way out of work.
Posted By: Providence Farm

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 12:42 PM

I have a great job but bought our farm 4 years ago. Its 110 miles from work. I figured it would not take long to find a job in the larger metro area our farm is located in.

Sure there are tons of jobs. 20-38 k a year and crap insurance.

I'm willing to take a 30 k a year pay cut but would not like to go below 65 -70k with good and affordable insurance. After 4 years im still driving 110 miles. Sure would be nice if all of these jobs were something good enough for a father to be the only income and raise a family on modestly. But they are not.

Companys started offering pensions and insurance as perks to recruit and retain employees. Today they just want working poor then want to cry about not being able to get help.

I'm multi talented and can work in several areas that excited 6 figures but those require travel and I'm no longer finding that appealing.
Posted By: rendezvous

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 12:43 PM

I believe this is the left making employers compete with the government, just to shove their $15 minimum wage down our throats.

And the monthly child tax credit payments, welfare! They want to create dependency on government!

God please... bless America again
Posted By: lumberjack391

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by Boco
Too many lazy lumps.
Even on here you see guys post about not trapping because they cant get big money for fur.Better to lay around the shack til the mail train comes back.


Or work a job that makes better money instead? What are we suppose to do with 2.00 mink, 3.00 rats and 2.00 coon? No gravy train here.....
Posted By: Providence Farm

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by Posco
Originally Posted by ebsurveyor
Tomorrow I start my 56th year of having a job. For the past 55 years I've been hearing that no employees are available (in my field as a land surveyor). Funny thing is, if an employer offers the correct amount of compensation the vacant jobs will fill quick. The US government has lowered the value of the dollar. Pay what it takes and they will fill the jobs.

The company I work for can't hire or retain good employees. The pay isn't bad for the area but it isn't enough to offset the schedule and monotony of the job. I keep telling them it ain't rocket science to figure out why they're understaffed but they seem to be mystified by it.



Winners right here.
Posted By: Donnersurvivor

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Pay 25+ an hour and it's not been a big issue so far.


At the very least it will raise the price of goods so the demand will dwindle to the point the business won’t need help. lol


What I meant is that I am paying 25+ an hour for my workers and so far it has not been to difficult to find help. Just a small crew, one full time guy and occasional part time, part time is usually paid over 25 an hour. And yes I have raised my prices.
Posted By: rendezvous

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 12:52 PM

BTW, the left's policies and their anti-police rhetoric is causing the spike in crime and violence. Then they blame guns to gain support to take our guns away and eventually our 2nd Amendment Rights!
Posted By: Dirty D

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 12:57 PM

Talked to a the truck driver while he was doing a delv for me.
His company is hiring truck drivers.
Requirements
NO CDL is needed they will train you and help you get your CDL all the while paying you $20/hr while you train.
Also they pay a $10,000 signing bonus.
They are down approx 40% from where they were just a couple of months ago.
Gotta pass a drug test tho.

He tells me they get very few takers.

There are tons of jobs out there but it seems that if they involve any sort of real work young kids don't apply.
Work ethic is much poorer than years past.
Posted By: Dirty D

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Trapper Dahlgren
daughter got hired a local paper mill , starting wage was 28+ , 3 people quit in 3 weeks , did not like the work to hot , shift work , mad, my daughter is getting 20 plus hours of overtime a week , because they can't get workers, good benefits there also ,


That comes out to just over 100K/ yr!!! I'm assuming this is low skilled or semi-skilled work at best. A job any 1/2 way competent person should be able to do.

I think there is a sizable chunk of unemployed workers out there that are happy just getting by. If Uncle Sam gives them enough to cover food and shelter they are more than happy to stay unemployed.
They would rather just get by and not have to work than work and get ahead.
Posted By: Macthediver

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 01:16 PM

I think some of these companies trained the younger job force a bit to be what it is now. Wasn't to many years back when lots were hiring two part time people to do the job of one full time employee. They could save money because typically part timers got no insurance or benefits that it cost the company for full time staff.
When I was a young man people tried to find job where they had career and could make a living. I seem to recall not to many years back hearing some employers where even helping their employees, get a second part time job..
Both of my my kids are working for same company. Both have been there for over 15 years now.. But the company now has them pay capped for some time. Their right in a spot where they won't give their employee's a raise, yet can't find workers starting at almost what they pay so called career staff...
They even restructure their jobs call them something different so can keep their pay the same.. Just a bunch BS to not give even cost living raise..
My son is ready to bail and go to one of the places now begging for people.. But he has a home and mortgage can't just take a total pay hit to switch jobs..

Seems we all forget too that a lot of jobs that used to take 5 guys. Now just need one machine operator can't hire 5 dumb grunts..
I do know I see sign every where and some with starting pay higher than I was making when I retired 6 years ago.
Is for sure different world.
I think the employers own some of the problem too not just all lazy people..

Mac
Posted By: run

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Macthediver
I think some of these companies trained the younger job force a bit to be what it is now. Wasn't to many years back when lots were hiring two part time people to do the job of one full time employee. They could save money because typically part timers got no insurance or benefits that it cost the company for full time staff.
When I was a young man people tried to find job where they had career and could make a living. I seem to recall not to many years back hearing some employers where even helping their employees, get a second part time job..
Both of my my kids are working for same company. Both have been there for over 15 years now.. But the company now has them pay capped for some time. Their right in a spot where they won't give their employee's a raise, yet can't find workers starting at almost what they pay so called career staff...
They even restructure their jobs call them something different so can keep their pay the same.. Just a bunch BS to not give even cost living raise..
My son is ready to bail and go to one of the places now begging for people.. But he has a home and mortgage can't just take a total pay hit to switch jobs..

Seems we all forget too that a lot of jobs that used to take 5 guys. Now just need one machine operator can't hire 5 dumb grunts..
I do know I see sign every where and some with starting pay higher than I was making when I retired 6 years ago.
Is for sure different world.
I think the employers own some of the problem too not just all lazy people..

Mac

Good call.
Posted By: Fishdog One

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 01:50 PM

I almost feel guilty being retired when so many jobs out there I could do for good money, but I like the retired life. If I make a $100 dollars selling scrap or doing an ADC call I feel like I am rolling in cash that week. I still don't have my deer food plot planted, been too busy, plus I had a track come off the dozer in the marsh, that has turned into way too much work.
Posted By: Boco

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 02:18 PM

Been retired here for 10 years.Dont feel guilty whatsoever.In fact I would feel guilty taking salaried work away from a younger person who needs it at that point in their life.
Since then I do the work I want to do, when I want to do it,for me.Some of that work makes money and some costs money but provides equity or maintains/improves investments.
Posted By: BuckMink

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 04:17 PM

What is good about this is the amount of overtime available.
Posted By: 1lessdog

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 04:36 PM

The company I work at there are 5 Machinist age 63 to 67. We could all retire tomorrow. The only thing 4 of us are working for is insurance. there is roughly 130 yrs of experience running CNC machines. They cant hire any any machinist. When the last baby boomers retire, there will be a ton of jobs out there and no bubby to take them.
Posted By: Sprung & Rusty

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 05:15 PM

I don't have a horse in this race, but 15 bucks an hour doesn't buy anything these days. If you're just out of school living with mom and dad still, it'll work. That's about it.
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 05:54 PM

In 58 years I never made $15 unless I was working overtime. Now that's about minimum wage.
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 05:55 PM

Saw Jen Psaki on TV yesterday. When asked about how long the administration was going to keep extending benefits to people who weren't working, she said as long as there are people who were financially hurting, the benefits would keep coming. This after a number of governors were saying they were planning to end the free money.
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by beartooth trapr
Good jobs to be had around Billings Mt. , Sysco food services is offering $10,000.00 sign on bonus.
Class A CDL and clean driving record.

Same thing in Medical field some pretty sweet sign bonuses and relocation allowance.

Is Billings plagued with undesirables?.......with the rez being right there close?
Posted By: BigBlackBirds

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 06:15 PM

I must be on the other end of this worker shortage. I've seen more applications and general interest in healthcare jobs in the last 4 months than what typically saw in the last decade. Normally handful of candidates for an opening and you'd pray that just one might have just a little experience. Now 20-25 is pretty common with lots of experience. Covid was pretty rough on bottom line of lots of hospitals, clinics, etc and looks like people are actively seeking positions
Posted By: bblwi

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 06:39 PM

We had many firms in our area use armed guards to escort out employees during massive layoff events. The children of those workers witnessed those events and they won't kiss the ring of administrations that treated their parent like that. Loyalty is a door that swings both ways. WI is at 3.9% UE which is well below the national average and almost where it was pre COVID so the help wanted ads and signs are not much different then two years ago. What has changed is the real publication of hourly pay. Most historical ads stated pay dependent upon skill etc., now more toss out a number and that number is much larger than 2, 3 or 5 years ago. Another issue is we have many smaller manufacturing firms that are not at full staff, some due to labor shortages and quite a bit due to not getting supplies as needed to produce their products. We have a lot of food processing firms near us and many are dairy related and they have plenty of milk to be fully operational.

Bryce
Posted By: beartooth trapr

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 08:53 PM

Yep you got it , and lots of crime imo
Posted By: beaverpeeler

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 09:19 PM

I just planted 3 acres of blueberries last fall, have plants coming in for another acre this fall and have another 1 acre already in full production. It takes 5-8 workers per acre to pick blueberries. To say that I'm concerned about labor shortages would be an understatement.

Back in the day when we had a porous border it was easy to meet your labor needs....in the meantime we have people of all ages milling around in homeless camps begging for stuff. This country is in deep trouble.

Can we make a deal with Mexico and trade about 5 million people? We'll give them 5 of our homeless for every one of theirs currently at the border looking for a better life up north.
Posted By: HobbieTrapper

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by bblwi
We had many firms in our area use armed guards to escort out employees during massive layoff events. The children of those workers witnessed those events and they won't kiss the ring of administrations that treated their parent like that. Loyalty is a door that swings both ways. WI is at 3.9% UE which is well below the national average and almost where it was pre COVID so the help wanted ads and signs are not much different then two years ago. What has changed is the real publication of hourly pay. Most historical ads stated pay dependent upon skill etc., now more toss out a number and that number is much larger than 2, 3 or 5 years ago. Another issue is we have many smaller manufacturing firms that are not at full staff, some due to labor shortages and quite a bit due to not getting supplies as needed to produce their products. We have a lot of food processing firms near us and many are dairy related and they have plenty of milk to be fully operational.

Bryce


I applaud them for being willing to have to drive hours for a job when those facilities close.

Kudos.
Posted By: Sprung & Rusty

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
I just planted 3 acres of blueberries last fall, have plants coming in for another acre this fall and have another 1 acre already in full production. It takes 5-8 workers per acre to pick blueberries. To say that I'm concerned about labor shortages would be an understatement.

Back in the day when we had a porous border it was easy to meet your labor needs....in the meantime we have people of all ages milling around in homeless camps begging for stuff. This country is in deep trouble.

Can we make a deal with Mexico and trade about 5 million people? We'll give them 5 of our homeless for every one of theirs currently at the border looking for a better life up north.

You can thank a Democrat. Just sayin.
Posted By: garymc

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 09:43 PM

I have been with the same employer for 23 years. They have always paid a competitive wage, benefits, and opportunity to move up with some work for the area . For the first 17-18 years turnover nor absenteeism was an issue. The 5 years it has gotten gradually worse. Started out getting plenty of applicants, but out of 10 new hires 3 or 4 would make the 90 day probationary period due to being late, leaving early, or not showing at all. We recently had 12 open positions and only received 3 applications total. The company has raised the starting wage a few times and this closes the pay gap between entry level and the more senior or higher skilled workers. This creates a whole other problem.
Posted By: AntiGov

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by garymc
I have been with the same employer for 23 years. They have always paid a competitive wage, benefits, and opportunity to move up with some work for the area . For the first 17-18 years turnover nor absenteeism was an issue. The 5 years it has gotten gradually worse. Started out getting plenty of applicants, but out of 10 new hires 3 or 4 would make the 90 day probationary period due to being late, leaving early, or not showing at all. We recently had 12 open positions and only received 3 applications total. The company has raised the starting wage a few times and this closes the pay gap between entry level and the more senior or higher skilled workers. This creates a whole other problem.



Yes it does .......
Posted By: Boco

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by garymc
I have been with the same employer for 23 years. They have always paid a competitive wage, benefits, and opportunity to move up with some work for the area . For the first 17-18 years turnover nor absenteeism was an issue. The 5 years it has gotten gradually worse. Started out getting plenty of applicants, but out of 10 new hires 3 or 4 would make the 90 day probationary period due to being late, leaving early, or not showing at all. We recently had 12 open positions and only received 3 applications total. The company has raised the starting wage a few times and this closes the pay gap between entry level and the more senior or higher skilled workers. This creates a whole other problem.


From each according to their ability to each according to their need.
Posted By: Feedinggrounds

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/23/21 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by Sprung & Rusty
Originally Posted by Feedinggrounds
I have between 12 to 14 men at my post mill. 1/3 are mid 50's guys that have been mill workers all their lives, live close, and live simple. 1/3 Are 20 something young bucks that come and go, they are on green chain mostly. 1/3 mid 30's men not long out of jail for child support. Every man gets 10 to 12 hours overtime every week. Starting pay $11.00, .50 cent raise at 30 days another .50 cents at 60 days. After 60 days, every 2 months I look through my daily notes and bump wages where deserved and earned. I am on a busy state road with a BIG HELP wanted sign out all summer. The sign has become a local landmark, conversation piece. Lol I hire 10 to get maybe 2 that last the season.

In this economy with jobs everywhere, I wouldn't get out of bed for 11 bucks an hour.

Don't have to, I got a full crew and took 4 apps this week, and a few last week. Not everyone can keep up with the cook line at McDonalds. I hire a lot of guys like Coonman 220, just treat them better.
Posted By: Feedinggrounds

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/24/21 12:17 AM

I would and have hired off work at home weed smokers, but won't hire a drunk or a man with a drinking problem. Weed is legal in Michigan. I was shocked at how many pot smokers came out of the closet after it became legal.
Posted By: HobbieTrapper

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/24/21 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by Feedinggrounds
I would and have hired off work at home weed smokers, but won't hire a drunk or a man with a drinking problem. Weed is legal in Michigan. I was shocked at how many pot smokers came out of the closet after it became legal.


I wouldn’t tell your insurance company they are working for you unless they are hired as independent contractors.
Posted By: trappingthomas

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/24/21 01:41 AM

The power will continue to shift between employers and employees. Only the damage to our country will be greater each time. Started in a manufacturing company right out of high school in 1992. Payed little and treated like you were replaceable everyday. Not that the company was bad that WAS the climate at the time in the workplace. But I stuck through the lack of "appreciation", lay offs, etc. over the years. In 2005 had a chance to buy in and did. Majority owner now and can tell you that over years since buying in the focus has been on the employee. Wage hikes, time off, health care, etc.. Meant a lot when everything fell apart in the real estate bubble burst. Had applications for miles because the world recessed. Was hiring too because customers were pulling out of competitors left and right due to poor financials and we had no debt. Now you can't hire someone to save your life. Yes the government money is a problem but more is we are multiple generations of people willing to exist of the government hand outs. Covid made them handouts living high on the hog but that only lasts so long. The fight is not for the unemployed now but the employed. Which is now a much smaller pool of folks. We are talking about the people that want more than what the government will hand out for themselves and their family. Fact a good portion of unemployed people will not show up to an scheduled interview or orientation. They are used to not working and can live off the man. Also, a healthy portion of useful employed are either never going to jump ship because of the investment of time in their job or the employer will pay up to keep them from going. Thus no applicants for open jobs. The fact is the employers that can position themselves for the next "bubble burst" (and one will be coming just time will tell) will win the spoils. The goal should be as an employee and employer to not take greedy advantage of your position. Employer how many of your employees do you still have from your last "bubble burst"? Employee did you take each advantage of each employee shortage to extort your employer or jump to the next desperate ship? Human nature sucks and our government preys on it and plays us like puppets. Divide and keep them under rule! just my 2 cents.
Posted By: yotetrapper30

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/24/21 01:50 AM

What's funny to me is as much as everyone is hiring, NO ONE is hiring part time. If you're not wanting to work 60+ hours a week, you ain't finding anything other than a burger flipper.
Posted By: Quartermastersir

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/24/21 02:02 AM

Friend of mine works for a concrete company which wants to get into framing houses. Friend mentioned to his boss that I used to frame (in 2008!!!) and might be willing to work 2-3 days per week for some walkin around money. His boss called me the NEXT DAY. The labor issue around here is so screwed that a 63 year old retired guy, working part time, is a viable option!!??? These kids think that work is a place you go-not a thing you do. So if they simply show up that's pretty much the end of their responsibility.
Starting to see some articles by the usual jackolanterns that the labor issue is simply a wage issue. The gov't has entered the labor market by paying people to stay home, thereby making it more expensive and difficult to hire them away. Private sector entities shouldn't have to compete with the gov't for workers, only each other.
Posted By: yukonjeff

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/24/21 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Originally Posted by Feedinggrounds
I would and have hired off work at home weed smokers, but won't hire a drunk or a man with a drinking problem. Weed is legal in Michigan. I was shocked at how many pot smokers came out of the closet after it became legal.


I wouldn’t tell your insurance company they are working for you unless they are hired as independent contractors.


There in lies a large part of the problem. The insurance companies offered cheaper rates if companies policies could discriminate against pot smokers. Now it comes back to bite them in the arse when they cant find a burger flipper because young folks like to smoke weed just like the older generation liked to drink alcohol. (which is actually a bigger liability than a harmless pot smoker.) cant get out of bed hung over, cant drive, DWI, etc etc...

You would get the same results if they discriminated against alcohol users if you test to see if they had a drink in the past month and then label them unemployable because the insurance wants to welch out on paying claims.
Posted By: Feedinggrounds

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/24/21 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Originally Posted by Feedinggrounds
I would and have hired off work at home weed smokers, but won't hire a drunk or a man with a drinking problem. Weed is legal in Michigan. I was shocked at how many pot smokers came out of the closet after it became legal.


I wouldn’t tell your insurance company they are working for you unless they are hired as independent contractors.

Insurance guy most likely smokes weed too. They can eat the stuff in a cookie at lunch now.
Posted By: HobbieTrapper

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/24/21 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by yukonjeff
Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
[quote=Feedinggrounds]I would and have hired off work at home weed smokers, but won't hire a drunk or a man with a drinking problem. Weed is legal in Michigan. I was shocked at how many pot smokers came out of the closet after it became legal.


I wouldn’t tell your insurance company they are working for you unless they are hired as independent contractors.


Originally Posted by yukonjeff
There in lies a large part of the problem. The insurance companies offered cheaper rates if companies policies could discriminate against pot smokers. Now it comes back to bite them in the arse when they cant find a burger flipper because young folks like to smoke weed just like the older generation liked to drink alcohol. (which is actually a bigger liability than a harmless pot smoker.) cant get out of bed hung over, cant drive, DWI, etc etc...

You would get the same results if they discriminated against alcohol users if you test to see if they had a drink in the past month and then label them unemployable because the insurance wants to welch out on paying claims.


Having EVERYONE tested after an accident is not discrimination.

It’s not the claims they are concerned about. It’s the lawsuits.
Posted By: garymc

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/24/21 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Quartermastersir
The labor issue around here is so screwed that a 63 year old retired guy, working part time, is a viable option!!???



I am starting to see this as well. I intend to Semi-retire in 4 years at 55, but have some options from more than one employer to work a few days a week if I want. I joked with one past employer that I wanted to work Tuesday through Thursday with no travel. He asked me when I wanted to start.

I had a friend that was a chemical engineer that gave his employer a full years notice for retirement a few years ago. It came to the end of the year and retirement time. They had not found a suitable replacement so they offered my friend to stay on 3 days a week at full salary until they found some one. This drug on for almost another year. They finally found a replacement and paid my buddy full salary for another 6 months to mentor the guy 2 days a week.
Posted By: Leftlane

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/24/21 02:26 PM

I thought of this topic while I was sitting in some traffic yesterday. Literally every tractor / trailer, commercial van, and service truck I saw had a "we are hiring" sign on it. Not a magnet that could be put up for a day until 1 or 2 more guys got hired- permanent signs. I can't help but think that if a man wanted a job he could go find one.
Posted By: decoy

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/24/21 02:37 PM

That's what all I'm hearing. My son who works in the oil fields said they can't find workers either and the ones that they do find are what they call worms and other names Paul won't allow grin
Posted By: yukonjeff

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/24/21 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
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You would get the same results if they discriminated against alcohol users if you test to see if they had a drink in the past month and then label them unemployable because the insurance wants to welch out on paying claims.


Having EVERYONE tested after an accident is not discrimination.

It’s not the claims they are concerned about. It’s the lawsuits.[/quote]

Yes it is. They dont test for alcohol before a hire. only after an accident, and then looking to see if the guy smoked a joint in the last month. All while not concerned at all if the employee was out all night drinking and hung over that day.
Posted By: mask bandit

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/24/21 06:02 PM

My son got hired last June after he got his driver's licenses. He's the only one left out of 12 people that started .
Posted By: Oreamnos

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/24/21 06:14 PM

I posted two job openings this spring. I had over 200 people apply to those two positions. Pay range was $14-$19. I picked the best two and pay them $17/hr. Both have around 6 years of experience in their respective fields. One position requires no degree. The other requires a 3 month technical degree. After hiring and closing the posts on Indeed I had several people reach out via Facebook and email wanting to know if I was hiring.
Posted By: possum63

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/24/21 06:55 PM

[Linked Image]




Seemed fitting here.....
Posted By: beaverpeeler

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/24/21 07:08 PM

A lot of insightful stuff for us employers (and employees) in this thread. I agree that our current government has made it worse with too many handouts. But there is something happening in America that is frightening to me. Look around and half (more?) of our potential work force has no work ethic. Where the heck have we gone wrong? Is it all the government's fault?....

Well, here is my little take on it: When I was a kid we all had to do chores. Almost everybody I knew. Where I lived we kids all picked fruit in the summer to make spending money and to buy our own school clothes. There was a culture of young people working and being productive to some degree. Eventually laws got passed not allowing kids to work on farms until they were 16. That was a beginning of well intentioned legislators screwing up America's work ethics. Then, and I think this is the big one, parents don't seem to have any expectations from their kids anymore. Laziness is a learned condition. If my parents hadn't insisted.... would I have done chores?

As an employer I can't afford my own loss of productivity babysitting young men and women who just never learned to work and yet somehow still manage to eat and have a roof over their heads.

I guess I just don't get it.
Posted By: Providence Farm

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/24/21 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
A lot of insightful stuff for us employers (and employees) in this thread. I agree that our current government has made it worse with too many handouts. But there is something happening in America that is frightening to me. Look around and half (more?) of our potential work force has no work ethic. Where the heck have we gone wrong? Is it all the government's fault?....

Well, here is my little take on it: When I was a kid we all had to do chores. Almost everybody I knew. Where I lived we kids all picked fruit in the summer to make spending money and to buy our own school clothes. There was a culture of young people working and being productive to some degree. Eventually laws got passed not allowing kids to work on farms until they were 16. That was a beginning of well intentioned legislators screwing up America's work ethics. Then, and I think this is the big one, parents don't seem to have any expectations from their kids anymore. Laziness is a learned condition. If my parents hadn't insisted.... would I have done chores?

As an employer I can't afford my own loss of productivity babysitting young men and women who just never learned to work and yet somehow still manage to eat and have a roof over their heads.

I guess I just don't get it.



Great post. I will add that expected responsibility age seemed to increase. Raised the age of buying a gun or driving and you just have an older inexperienced person.

My kids drive on the farm,work in the garden, run the traps, clean their room, sweep the kitchen do their laundry, and the dishes. And take care of their dogs, cats,rabbits and chickens.

I can't imagine them not having those small responsibilities.
Posted By: HobbieTrapper

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/24/21 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by possum63
[Linked Image]




Seemed fitting here.....


The bidding war only goes on until it reaches “no gain”. Most folks don’t realize their value and a small percentage over value themselves.
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/24/21 07:59 PM

I think a lot of parents are determined to make life better for their kids than they had it themselves, and end up spoiling them and ruining them.
Posted By: gcs

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/24/21 08:28 PM

When west Germany finally got East Germany back in the fold, they found that they couldn't get the easterners to work. Too many years of communism made them dependent on their govt.
This was Germany! ... where work ethic was born, lol
We're getting to the point that as long as our govt keeps giving out handouts, or promising to, many people are content to live poor and get by till the govt hands out a few more scraps.

While we can blame the govt, parents are also to blame, heaven forbid they actually make kids do stuff.
Posted By: Boco

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/24/21 08:30 PM

It all went to H-- in a handbasket with the internet.
When I was a kid we had paper routes to run,summer and winter 6 days a week- to teach us work ethic and a little about actually handling money.
We also mowed lawns,picked dew worms and helped on the farms around the lake throwing haybales.
We picked up bottles,and trapped a little and sold fur.

And we still had time to play shinny in the evening in winter,snowshoeing and snare rabbits,fish and swim at the lake in summer,go camping and hunting and do all sorts of other stuff.
We were never indoors except to eat and sleep,and not even that all the time.
Posted By: beaverpeeler

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/24/21 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by Gary Benson
I think a lot of parents are determined to make life better for their kids than they had it themselves, and end up spoiling them and ruining them.

I have seen this waaaaay too much especially in the latino community. Immigrant folks that had a hard life and want to make it easier for their kids. Second generation latinos are just as bad as their white counterparts. At least that is what I'm seeing here in Oregon.
Posted By: beaverpeeler

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/24/21 10:09 PM

And I agree with you Boco on the internet issue. My own kid is as addicted to the internet and video games as any junkie to heroin. Of course I still love him, but by the time he was 12-13 his mama (divorced from me) had control. He stayed with me every other week with none of that crap available to him but got ruined with his ma.

Broken families from divorce (like what happened here) is also to blame, no doubt, for our country's current woes.
Posted By: charles

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/25/21 12:08 AM

A construction supervisor told me last week that the average age of a licensed electrician in N.C. is over 60 years old. That is a big problem on the horizon unless the few who will be left are supper productive.
Posted By: trapdog1

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/25/21 12:15 AM

We've been pretty successful with the young people we hire. All recent college grads, and the majority of them turn out to be good employees. There are still some good ones out there.
Posted By: AntiGov

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/25/21 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Originally Posted by Gary Benson
I think a lot of parents are determined to make life better for their kids than they had it themselves, and end up spoiling them and ruining them.

I have seen this waaaaay too much especially in the latino community. Immigrant folks that had a hard life and want to make it easier for their kids. Second generation latinos are just as bad as their white counterparts. At least that is what I'm seeing here in Oregon.



Yep , we call it " Americanized "
Posted By: Boco

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/25/21 03:28 AM

Invisible inflation.Wages are going to have to drastically rise to reflect reality.
Posted By: Wolfdog91

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/25/21 03:46 AM

Hooooly crap this took off blush
Posted By: Wanna Be

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/25/21 04:37 AM

Stop ALL Government handouts.
Allow evictions to open back up.
Allow the use of deadly force to businesses and homeowners on robberies.

Problem solved. People will be standing in lines 3 days before a job fair to make sure they get a job.
Yeah I’m heartless, but it would definitely get people working.
Posted By: Wolfdog91

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/25/21 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by AntiGov
In general those who wanna work are working and for the most part have a good work ethic


The DB's sitting on the couch , eating chips , aren't even worth considering

I could easily secure enough work to employ 20 - 30 guys but finding workers is nearly impossible

I run 8-10 solid guys currently


The government meets most people's needs and any effort by these DB's is half a z , temporary , and just for some spending money


Yeah that's what I'm seeing. On the bright side seems to be one of the best times to job hop around
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/25/21 08:16 AM

Interesting post. We may all realize as outdoorsmen and outdoors women that we are just about the Last of the Mohicans. Who goes outside anymore?
My wife and RV'ing this summer, since we sold our home, and there are 125 RV's in this park and it's a rare day I see a handful of people outside. Where are they all? Inside? At a camp ground?
America is a culture built on productivity and it must just tire the masses to work long hours because Friday night and R&R are always hot topics. Living for the weekend is more than a song. It's Americanism at it's finest. There are more and more who have the $$$$$ for the weekend party everyday now a days because they don't seem to need to do the earn it part.

Boco, you're probably close to the green with your comment that the internet has changed much. But TV hooked many before the internet. And there was something before that too.
The "eat, drink, and be merry" mindset doesn't pan out to be wonderful for the majority who live it, but the advertisers promote it and we keep buying it.
There's still a bunch of good, hard working young folk out there. I meet a bunch of them.

It's just sad to see how some people view life as a boring journey of no hope, no reason, and no wonderment. I meet them every day in ministry.
I have surmised that our culture lies about the eat, drink, and be merry life plan being the way to go.
Drugs, sex, alcohol, immorality, and more are not only tolerated in the 21st century.... they are now viewed as being the norm.
They are not. They are sugary sweet to the flesh and deadly to the soul.
I bet a dozen MB 550's offsets each of us knows someone(s) living this dream.
And it's a sad waste of the blessing of life.

Take a kid trapping! I take the grand kiddos.
Blessings,
Mark
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/25/21 10:40 AM

It hasn't been that many years ago that people working for wages worked 6 12 hour days then got Sunday off. 52 weeks a year no retirement, no health insurance no workmans comp, no paid hollidays no time off for being sick. Barely paid enough to survive. I dont want to go back to that. Campgrounds at the lake here I see satellite dish's. Not even sure why its called camping. They come out at night when its not 97 in the shade.

Mark, a lot of people don't buy into your religion. That's not new either. What has changed is people are not afraid to say so now.


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people view life as a boring journey of no hope, no reason, and no wonderment


Thats not a new thing either. We are a long ways from being able to treat mental illness. Its barely been a century since any research started. Likely will take a couple hundred more to get mental health to where physical health is at today. About all they can do well today where mental health is concerned is diagnose.

I dont know what kind of ministry your doing but cops meet a lot more thieves and drug addicts than they do people making an honest living. It tends to skew how they view things

My two youngest grand kids are taking swimming lessons again this summer and playing baseball. Lots of other kids doing the same thing with them. Got a neighbor boy whose mom is a drug addict. I doubt he makes it very far into adulthood without going to prison. Had to quit letting him hang out here without close supervision. He steals and lies every other sentence. Its sad but thats not new either. I understand the stealing, his mom doesnt even feed him regular though I am not the only one in town who will and does. I think the lying is from low self esteem sometimes. Often its to deny behavior he knows will reflect poorly on him. He acts out. We have a food pantry where people put non perishable food in and anyone who wants it can help their self. Its basically just a cabinet with glass door out on main street. He hasn't done it in awhile but he has got in it and scattered rice noodles and beans and tossed cans out in the street.

World will always have sad stories like that
Posted By: Posco

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/25/21 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Quartermastersir
Private sector entities shouldn't have to compete with the gov't for workers, only each other.

Biden had another cognitive slip and as much as admitted private sector employers were going to have to up their game monetarily to get people off the couch and off the government dole. The left keeps denying the federal is having a negative impact on hiring. And they want another stimulus package. Tell me they're not trying to sink this country.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/25/21 10:51 AM

Who was talking religion danny? I didn't mention a deity in my post one time.
Yet you once again post after me as you routinely do because I guess something in my posts irks you to your core.
I wonder why?
It's as if I have a TMan stalker who can't resist coming on to rebuke what I think with what he knows.
You have a very hard time with others opinions that don't fit your lens.
There's a lot of that going around these days.


Blessings,
Mark
Posted By: Posco

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/25/21 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Quartermastersir
Private sector entities shouldn't have to compete with the gov't for workers, only each other.

Biden had another cognitive slip and as much as admitted private sector employers were going to have to up their game monetarily to get people off the couch and off the government dole. The left keeps denying the federal money is having a negative impact on hiring. And they want another stimulus package. Tell me they're not trying to sink this country.
Posted By: hippie

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/25/21 11:11 AM

An end around for minimum wage hike.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/25/21 11:14 AM

Posco,
JB is just the spokesperson for the major political party of envy and strife. Envy and strife. Envy and strife.
It kinda gets old after about 2 minutes.
Divide and conquer is the Marxist doctrine and JB is just dutifully following orders from folks a whole lot more devious that he is.
He's just a puppet.

Hold out as long as possible sir!

Blessings,
Mark
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/25/21 11:21 AM

I misunderstood then. I thought you were saying that the world had become immoral and needed more ministry.
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Drugs, sex, alcohol, immorality, and more are not only tolerated in the 21st century.... they are now viewed as being the norm.
They are not. They are sugary sweet to the flesh and deadly to the soul.
Its the deadly to the soul thing. I thought that was a religious concept.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/25/21 11:28 AM

It can be a religious concept, but most of the time it's not. The irreligious Greeks long ago had a word, psyche meaning the soul, mind, spirit which occupies the physical body.
I'm doing hospital chaplain ministry until August in San Antonio and the chaplain team works with the nurses and physicians related to the body, mind, and spirit. We're called an "integrated team" for a reason.
The body is very complex and so is finding workers it seems.

Blessings danny,
Mark
Posted By: beaverpeeler

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/25/21 03:21 PM

Danny, it's only normal for ministers to minister. just turn the other cheek! grin
Posted By: Wanna Be

Re: Employers :Finding workers - 06/25/21 06:09 PM

Or if someone knows they are a minister they assume everything they talk about is ministering to them, lol. I’m sure the critters Mr.June catches thinks he’s ministering to them when he’s walks up and probably says “Thank you Jesus!” I guess I minister to mine as well, lol.
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