Biden doing away with job license

The way it sounds he is doing away with required licenses for MOST jobs. Electrician, plumbers, wwtp operators. Wish he had done this last month just spent 200 bucks to renew my turd license !!

The condo collapse must've set the thinking wheels into gear. They can get rid of contractor's licenses, and do away with building inspectors too.

The inspectors said the Fl condo was a problem. The owner didn’t do anything.

A positive move!

From what reading I've done it sounds like the condo association was dealing with a common problem, coming up with the cash needed for repairs. Maybe the structure was poorly built, maybe it was forty years sitting in a corrosive coastal environment and lack of maintenance or a combination of both. I've seen it time and time again nice house, no money and falling down around their ears. In this case literally.

Long term fix, require large structures to have some sort of fund or set aside for maintenance/repairs.

TRUE??

It was announced yesterday, that Minnesota is going to crack down on unlicensed building contractors.

It is hard to believe that Comrade Walz would oppose Comrade Biden.

Sounds like a positive response, Biden.

Sounds almost libertarian

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/07/upshot/biden-executive-order-workers.html

Since were changing the subject ANY building BUILT ON SAND with a parking garage as its foundation is subject to fail.Been lots of buildings with that set up shift on "normal soil".

Plus people are fatter now than when the building was designed.....More weight ?! It ALL contributes.............

Yea having a license means you must receive training to do that job. Nope bad move . Don't confuse a "permit" with a license. Permit means you are allowed to do something does not means you "know" how to do it.

Being licensed OR having a permit doesn't mean you're good at your job, though. It provides the consumer with a false sense of security, it can fool the consumer into thinking that "this guy is licensed, he must be a good plumber/electrician/mechanic/whatever".

All those southerners coming in have to have a job. There are only so many jobs for carpenter's, masons, and other no license jobs in the construction industry.

Yes you nailed it !!! Hadn't thought of that reason.

Goose that is true but NO license required means any body that doesn't even know what a breaker is can "legally" wire a house.

Third world crap hole. Shaping up nicely. Let’s get rid of a drivers license. CDL. Let’s get rid of it all. What you say. Let’s go back to the Wild West. Most stupidest thing ever. But I can say one thing for sure. I didn’t vote these idiots in.

I've always considered inspectors to be a means of insurance. If they where to spot something that could cause me serious problems later on then I'm all for it. My problem with inspectors have been that they can not be held accountable for their mistakes but the contractor is. No perfect world out there and I don't see it getting any better anytime soon.

Yes but if you do poorly at the job people will stop hiring you. Problem takes care of itself.

Not in Ky electrical inspectors going to jail for accidents that cause death or harm. Plus who is to blame the shoddy workmanship from a contractor that knows hes cutting corners? OR the 1 guy inspecting hundreds of connections and yards of electrical wiring? Only took one cases of a kid getting electrocuted on a garage door and the inspector going to jail for Ky to crack down on it's inspectors.

AMEN !!

I don't think it will happen because of the MILLIONS the states will miss out on from the fees. Cost me 200 bucks to renew my wwtp lis.

Being licensed OR having a permit doesn't mean you're good at your job, though. It provides the consumer with a false sense of security, it can fool the consumer into thinking that "this guy is licensed, he must be a good plumber/electrician/mechanic/whatever".[/quote]
I agree with loosegoose.

What does wwtp stand for? World war toilet paper?

Licensing separates the barely competent from the morons. We need it today more than ever before. Biden wouldn't be President if the office required a license.

Yeah no license for contractors . that's just what we need. Then we should do away teachers cetification so they can teach what ever they want . oh never mind they do that now. These people are nuts.

We have a lot of that here. Quite a few auto repair shops with completely unskilled labor. They will hire someone right off the street with zero skills for $10 hour cash under the table. The overseer will tell them what to do. I've seen the end results of their work. One shop released a car to a customer that they had just done brakes to it. The customer pulled out of the driveway of the shop and went through a cast iron fence belonging to a church 40 feet away from where he started. Who does a brake job on a car without road testing it ?

This is Biden's plan. More jobs for newcomers , less for Americans.

Here's a prime example I'm dealing with right now.

Honey Bee Removal from a structure is now a licensed activity in Georgia.

Background, I'm in my 40th year as a beekeeper. I was taught by a beekeeper who would rather take down a bee tree rather than open his own hives. Performed my first removal 39 years ago under his supervision using the trapout method. Done hundreds of removals cut outs, trap outs and flush outs since then. To say I'm skilled is a given.

Collision course, Georgia's pest control act of 1955 first enacted to regulate the use of chemical use pesticides includes a paragraph that in summary says that to remove an insect or pest from a structure for a fee by any means TO INCLUDE MECHANICAL is a regulated activity requiring licensure under the authority of the Dept of Ag.

Aside, this same statute also grants licensed individuals the authority to remove squirrels and birds from structures. Both species which are clearly named in other statutes as being under the sole authority of the Dept of Natural Resources alone.

History, the Dept of Ag in almost 70 years never considered honey bee removal to require a license though they did claim that the statute read in a way that it could be so. Further they had broadened their authority to cover not only structures but also the yard and property under ornamental and turf.

Breaking point, an individual in an effort to corner his local market began threatening his fellow removers with arrest, going as far as claiming to be an employee of the Dept of Ag, under this never enforced statute. He further claimed to be properly licensed as a PCO when in fact he was not.

Aftermath, the Dept instead of dealing with the bad actor seeks instead to develop a licensing format. With the cooperation of the Georgia Beekeepers Association, who places the bad actor on the license committee, they formulate a pathetic Rube Goldberg plan. Instead of using an already existing license which regulates the commercial sale of honey bees and is beekeeper specific they instead opted to require bee removers to obtain licensing under the Pest Control Operator (PCO) structure which requires initial testing, insurance minimums, specific legal language in contractual agreements and written documentation of all work performed, continuing education credits.

Facts, the type of exam that would consider all the facets of a structural removal via three possible methods does not currently exist in this state or any other. In it's stead the dept agreed to accept a certification exam offered by the University of Georgia as part of their Master Beekeeper Program. Problems, this exam is strictly an entry level See Jane Run knowledge level of beekeeping based solely upon the current edition of First Lessons in Beekeeping by Delaplane. Nowhere in this booklet is the subject of removal mentioned. Furthermore this test is only available once a year in conjunction with a Beekeeping Institute, held in the furthermost northern part of the state, one must also attend in order to take the certification exam or any higher level exam. Coincidence, all of this falls under the auspices of Dr Keith Delaplane and UGA. The state would consider retaking of this exam every five years as satisfying the continuing education requirement when the exam has never been intended as such but merely as a one time entry into the Master Beekeeping program. The Dept has stated that they will also accept attendance at a bee removers workshop put on by UGA, such a workshop does not nor has it ever existed.

Furthermore, while the Dept of Ag claims this only applies to removals from structures and only cut outs can be performed with requirements on removal of all comb and bees and repairs. This in fact cannot always be done in many cases involving masonry or material value of the structure indicating a trapout or flush out must be performed. Nowhere in the new rule are these methods addressed. Nor are bee trees or free hanging swarms addressed. The Dept is adamant that the rule does not apply outside of the structure yet existing regulation requires licensure for PCO operations in the landscape.

In effect this prevents the consumer the option of hiring a beekeeper to remove bees alive. Leaving only the option of hiring a PCO to kill them, a task most reputable PCOs want no part of.

How many cases of medical malpractice occur every year?

Dr Fauci is licensed somewhere.

In fields where no license is currently required, the good are sperated from the bad by their reputation. In my field, for example, some people are electrical gurus, and some people can't be trusted to replace a headlight bulb properly. That quickly becomes known. The guru gets the word of mouth business, and the moron can't find a job as a mechanic, because everyone knows the kind of work he does.

As long as they have a pulse and can vote the Dems will take care of them with freshly printed money.

In the case I outlined the original bad actor is now charging rates, and still not properly licensed, more than triple mine and I base mine on what three other removers I respect are charging, mainly out of respect and to give the consumer options. I regularly give out two or three names urging my clients to obtain other quotes.

How large of a city do you live in? That mainly works in small markets but in larger markets with a mobile population it is a different story.

I live in the largest southeastern market, Atlanta. In my field we only have to have a commercial trapping license, same as a regular trapping license, and free permit after passing a simple exam. No insurance or record keeping other than the annual report as any other trapper. No other requirements.
In over fifteen years I've seen them come and go. Seen some real horror stories but overall with the rise of private associations such as NWCOA the across the board level of expertise has grown and generally the consumer is getting good service. Do we still have bad actors, of course we do from a few firms both big and small but the same could be said of every other trade.

BTW, early on I was a huge supporter of increased regulation and licensure aka barrier to entry. Experience has convinced me that is no guarantee of quality and an absolute guarantee of increased costs to the consumer.

Here most if not all the small mom&pop local garages use cheap unskilled labor. The days of the old timers gas station who knew what they were doing is mostly gone. Why? Because they cater to the people who speak their language ( not English ) These same garages have a huge advantage because they charge considerly less than a garage with trained ASE technicians. Yes , they have plenty of come-backs.

A friend of mine who passed away 10 years ago in NJ did ADC work full time. At the time NJ had no license for ADC work. He used to get called after someone had screwed up the work. His gripe was competing against Billy-Bob who had 2 beat-up Hav-a-Harts and charged $50 to catch a family of squirrels. Then he had to explain to this customer that he needed to be paid several hundred or more to do the job right and professionally with expertise and good quality equipment.

No licensing. Sounds great I have always wanted to be a Doctor.

If your fat enough to collapse a high rise you need to go on a diet.

Waste Water Treatment Plant. My Dad was an operator for years. He'll correct me if I'm wrong on what it's called down there.

I'll take my chances in the Wild West vs the Brave New World.

Sure he does, it would absolve the government of any responsibility in regulating safety in anything, which lets them out of the cost of court battles as well as pay outs.

Oh and the bigger thing for demo's is no ID for voting, what will they stop at to get their way ??

I think for the end consumer it makes no difference. Lets face it, there are plenty of companies out there where the boss or owner has the necessary licenses and the rest of the troops are unskilled folks actually doing the work. case in point my neighbor. He installs AC systems and has zero EPA certs. I took the exams myself and I am sure he could do them as well as he has been doing this stuff for a number of years now and if he read up on the legal BS for the exam, he would be good to go. But why bother when the boss has got the ticket. they keep hiring folks that don't make the grade and get let go again to try out the next guy. But the only one there that actually has a license is the owner of the company and it has been years since he actually laid a hand on a AC system. He picks up the phone and writes the invoices. But you won't find a wrench or gauges in his work truck. So whats the point with the licensing. As I am a one man band I had to get all the licenses that I need for what I do.

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That's terrible.
I'm sure most of us on here have seen the aftermath of shady practices be it from either unlicensed, careless professionals or diy people. My house has so much shady work done to it, it's amazing this house hasn't fallen or burned down yet

The average age of a licensed electrician in NC is 63. Don’t know this for fact but a licked electrician told me.

Makes sense such professional Licenses are a barrier to entry in the skilled trades for Illegal labor

As a class A water operator I say this is dangerous in some professions. Mine for example. My field is riddled with nepotism and you can’t have the boss’s idiot nephew adjusting chlorine or fluoride for example. Some license are there for a reason. Every decision we make effects thousands of people. I have to have 30 hours of training every 3 years to keep my license.

Guessing doing away with lawyer license wasn't on the list?

Waste Water Treatment Plant. My Dad was an operator for years. He'll correct me if I'm wrong on what it's called down there.[/quote]
Thanks.

Good point

Just a thought...unless this has to deal with contractors across state lines. What power does the feds have to removes license requirements as those are state issued licenses?

I expect this is the setup

industry calls for a fix to labor shortage

the fix is no need for a license

the setup is expect some major failures that cost some one their life , then when the economy is in a big recession they will need to implement licensing many times stricter than it is only the politically well connected will even qualify for such licenses making sure to squash the independent small guys who mostly didn't do any thing wrong in the first place.

I can understand the crack down coming. It's not going to be pretty.

This.. state license.

I agree it's totally a state issue save for possibly federal contract work. And I agree it's a horrific idea to allow illegals to take work away from citizens.
But I stand by my opposition to most licensing schemes. In that regard I hold with caveat emptor and the free market. As for consumer safety, that is a joke.

I thought all good conservatives were in support of deregulation of every thing an any thing??? When Walker change the teacher certs here some year back lots people cheered that. Why is this any different? Is it because wasn't conservative that did it?? My grand father worked in a box factory at age 12 How many here want their 12 year old to have that same opportunity to learn the work ethic. Got to deregulate de-license you want your kids to have same opportunity you did.

Mac

Will Biden also push to remove/lessen criminal and monetary liability from this unlicensed electricians, plumbers, etc? Should engineers be required to be licensed?

Walker just made it possible for a teachers aid to teach because of the teacher shortage and getting paid extra for bogus degrees. Also , again, Walker did NOT bust the unions, just made members pay their own dues, Which they did NOT. The members did not see the financial benefit to paying dues on their own.

The financial aspect of this will need to be addressed. Try to close a house loan without an occupancy permit, which requires a final inspection.

Why should I have to get an occupancy permit?

I dont understand the question.

Pretty simple. If an individual builds a home or shelter on his own property for his own use why must he ask for state permission to use it?

I dont think you do, here, but banks frown on lending money on homes not built by licensed pros.

I fully support children being allowed to work at a young age. The jobs suitability should be the parents decision. I guess I'm old fashion but it is the parents not the government that should raise children.

Not hardly. Now any fool could call himself an electrician or a plumber with no proof of schooling, apprenticeship, or passing a test and you call that a positive move?

I have a family member that is an electrical contractor. He used to be a cop. Instead of arresting a master electrician, he had the guy sign him off as a journeyman electrician.

That's the way the system works now. Well, ok, 40 years ago.

That's because most homes are built with bank loan mortgages and the home is an asset of the bank for the duration of the loan. Entirely reasonable for the bank to consider the value and safety of their assets. They also require insurance as well. All very reasonable PRIVATE transactions.

So what your saying is that your family member misused his position of authority to blackmail someone..... I guess he's one of the corrupt cops we read about..... nice.

I'm a bricklayer by trade and there was always a push in this state to require licensing. Some masons thought it would be a good way to weed out the fly-by-nights and suppress competition and keep prices up. There can be structural issues and then there's fire...chimneys and fireplaces.

Code enforcement. Build it right or tear it down. That's what they're there for. Once I got established I never wanted for work.

hey what do you call a leaky roof installed by a professional?


A leaky roof

Close Waste water treatment plant

Absolutely not!

He is now a corrupt electrician.

Another free pass to ‘the big guy’s’ illegal immigrants!

Close Waste water treatment plant
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Thank you.

Just because you are licensed by a state doesn't make you good at what you do. Friend is the state proctor for many trades and see's about 50% come back to retest and 15-20% retest multiple times and others as many as 6-7 times. I can see not passing once but after that if you don't know the codes you should move on to a different profession.